click your heels together this country should wake-up and smell the coffee and take a look at where we are going

Hello Muriel, I did send a letter of to Brian Tobin, and here is the responce Ireceived from Pamela White. Larry Lalonde Ontario, Canada ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ________________________________________________________________________ ____ the responce from Pamela White ----- Original Message ----- From: <pamela.white@statcan.ca> To: <llalonde@better.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: RE: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre Your e-mail of January 14, 2001, to the Honourable Brian Tobin, Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, on the subject of the release of census records has been passed to Statistics Canada for response. There has been considerable public debate and interest on the part of genealogists, historians and archivists who had expected that the 1911 census records would be publicly available in 2003, 92 years after the taking of the census. Recognizing the importance of historical research but also taking into account the privacy concerns of Canadians, an Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records was created to provide independent, expert advice on the legal, privacy and archival implications of releasing historical census records. The report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records was released on December 15th by Minister Tobin. In his announcement, the Minister indicated that further broad based consultation with all Canadians is needed in order to ensure that, if access to historical census records is provided, it is done in a manner that respects the government's deep commitment to privacy. This consultation will take place as part of the already announced administrative and legislative review of the Access to Information Act and Privacy Act. A copy of the news release announcing the Expert Panel's report follows. Pamela White Director, Data Access and Control Services Statistics Canada ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ________________________________________________________________________ ____ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE December 15, 2000 Minister Tobin Releases the Report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records Ottawa -- Brian Tobin, Minister of Industry and Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, today released the report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. In releasing the report, Mr. Tobin conveyed the government's appreciation to the members of the Expert Panel for their work and for the time and effort they invested in this important matter. The Minister indicated that the issues at stake are complex and far reaching. The government is committed to protecting the privacy rights of Canadians who were given an assurance of confidentiality at the time they completed the 1911 Census while, at the same time, the government must consider the legitimate needs of genealogists and others for access to historical census records. In light of these concerns the Minister indicated that further broad based consultation with all Canadians is needed. This consultation will take place as part of the already announced administrative and legislative review of the Access to Information and the Privacy Acts. The government's primary reason for undertaking additional consultation is to ensure that, if access to historical census records is provided, this is done in a manner that respects the government's deep commitment to privacy. To find out more about the report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records, please visit the web site at www.statcan.ca. -30- For further information, please contact Heidi Bonnell, Press Secretary, Office of the Minister of Industry at (613) 995-9001. Ce communiqué est aussi disponible en français. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- -----Original Message----- From: llalonde@better.net [mailto:llalonde@better.net] Sent: January 14, 2001 1:21 AM To: CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre This e-mail has been sent to you by Larry Lalonde (llalonde@better.net) from the globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: Message: Jan. 13th, 2001 Come on Brian, Please wake up and smell the coffee. It seems like you are a fence sitter. Maybe you should get off and do what you are payed to do SERVE THE PUBLIC. We the Canadian Public are getting pretty tired of throwing any historical material to the dump. Take a hard look at other countries, they are releasing their censuses to the public. I have been working on researching my family history for the past nine years. I feel as a tax payer that I have full rights to this material to help carry on my family history studies. This is VERY INPORTANT TO ME AND MY FAMILY. So Please Mr. Tobin wake up and smell the coffee. Your province Newfoundland released all their census material up to 1945. I will be died and gone so will my children, their children for the next 4-5 generations or more before the rest of us in Canada even catch up to what YOUR province has released up to NOW. (1945) PLEASE RELEASE OUR CENSUS RECORDS ARE WE ANY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER COUNTRIES. The more I look at what is going on in this country CANADA it seems like more and more of OUR FREEDOM is being removed. The our government working for us the Canadian people are being more and more controlled by the government. What happened to our FREE DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. From the Oxford Dictionary Quote "democratic, - of, like, practising advocating, or constituting democracy or a democracy. 2 favouring social equality." I would really like to know why you think we should spend more moneyon this LISTEN to the historical society. -------------------------------------------------- The Globe and Mail, Thursday, January 11, 2001 Show us the data Historical census records are crucial to understanding ourselves as a people, says history professor BILL WAISER. Ottawa must make the material available By Bill Waiser

Hi Larry. Thank you for sending this. I will add it to his correspondence log as soon as I have time. It would appear obvious that like his predecessor, Mr. Tobin is unlikely to respond personally to anything we send to him. The response from Dr. White will be the same sent to anyone writing Mr. Tobin and does nothing to respond to the questions you raise. Thank you for you continued interest and support. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Lalonde" <llalonde@better.net> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 17 January, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Globe and Mail article on the Canadian Census Issue Hello Muriel, I did send a letter of to Brian Tobin, and here is the responce Ireceived from Pamela White. Larry Lalonde Ontario, Canada ____________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ ____________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ the responce from Pamela White ----- Original Message ----- From: <pamela.white@statcan.ca> To: <llalonde@better.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: RE: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre Your e-mail of January 14, 2001, to the Honourable Brian Tobin, Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, on the subject of the release of census records has been passed to Statistics Canada for response. There has been considerable public debate and interest on the part of genealogists, historians and archivists who had expected that the 1911 census records would be publicly available in 2003, 92 years after the taking of the census. Recognizing the importance of historical research but also taking into account the privacy concerns of Canadians, an Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records was created to provide independent, expert advice on the legal, privacy and archival implications of releasing historical census records. The report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records was released on December 15th by Minister Tobin. In his announcement, the Minister indicated that further broad based consultation with all Canadians is needed in order to ensure that, if access to historical census records is provided, it is done in a manner that respects the government's deep commitment to privacy. This consultation will take place as part of the already announced administrative and legislative review of the Access to Information Act and Privacy Act. A copy of the news release announcing the Expert Panel's report follows. Pamela White Director, Data Access and Control Services Statistics Canada ____________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ ____________________________________________________________________ ____ ____ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE December 15, 2000 Minister Tobin Releases the Report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records Ottawa -- Brian Tobin, Minister of Industry and Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, today released the report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. In releasing the report, Mr. Tobin conveyed the government's appreciation to the members of the Expert Panel for their work and for the time and effort they invested in this important matter. The Minister indicated that the issues at stake are complex and far reaching. The government is committed to protecting the privacy rights of Canadians who were given an assurance of confidentiality at the time they completed the 1911 Census while, at the same time, the government must consider the legitimate needs of genealogists and others for access to historical census records. In light of these concerns the Minister indicated that further broad based consultation with all Canadians is needed. This consultation will take place as part of the already announced administrative and legislative review of the Access to Information and the Privacy Acts. The government's primary reason for undertaking additional consultation is to ensure that, if access to historical census records is provided, this is done in a manner that respects the government's deep commitment to privacy. To find out more about the report from the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records, please visit the web site at www.statcan.ca. -30- For further information, please contact Heidi Bonnell, Press Secretary, Office of the Minister of Industry at (613) 995-9001. Ce communiqué est aussi disponible en français. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------- -----Original Message----- From: llalonde@better.net [mailto:llalonde@better.net] Sent: January 14, 2001 1:21 AM To: CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre This e-mail has been sent to you by Larry Lalonde (llalonde@better.net) from the globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: Message: Jan. 13th, 2001 Come on Brian, Please wake up and smell the coffee. It seems like you are a fence sitter. Maybe you should get off and do what you are payed to do SERVE THE PUBLIC. We the Canadian Public are getting pretty tired of throwing any historical material to the dump. Take a hard look at other countries, they are releasing their censuses to the public. I have been working on researching my family history for the past nine years. I feel as a tax payer that I have full rights to this material to help carry on my family history studies. This is VERY INPORTANT TO ME AND MY FAMILY. So Please Mr. Tobin wake up and smell the coffee. Your province Newfoundland released all their census material up to 1945. I will be died and gone so will my children, their children for the next 4-5 generations or more before the rest of us in Canada even catch up to what YOUR province has released up to NOW. (1945) PLEASE RELEASE OUR CENSUS RECORDS ARE WE ANY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER COUNTRIES. The more I look at what is going on in this country CANADA it seems like more and more of OUR FREEDOM is being removed. The our government working for us the Canadian people are being more and more controlled by the government. What happened to our FREE DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. From the Oxford Dictionary Quote "democratic, - of, like, practising advocating, or constituting democracy or a democracy. 2 favouring social equality." I would really like to know why you think we should spend more moneyon this LISTEN to the historical society. -------------------------------------------------- The Globe and Mail, Thursday, January 11, 2001 Show us the data Historical census records are crucial to understanding ourselves as a people, says history professor BILL WAISER. Ottawa must make the material available By Bill Waiser

Fellow campaigners: I thought that you might be interested in this letter that I received just before Christmas from the Privacy Commissioner. It seems to me that, reading between the lines, that one can find grounds for cautious optimism. Bob Office of the Commissariat Privacy Commissioner á la protection de of Canada la vie privée du Canada 112 Kent Ottawa ON KIA IH3 Tel (613) 995-8210 o 1-800-282-1376 Fax (613) 947-6850 - www.privcom.gc.ca Dr. Robert C. Westbury Census Release Committee of the Alberta Family Histories Society 4012 Comanche Road, Calgary, AB T2L ON8 14 December 2000 Dear Dr. Westbury: Thank you for sending me your critique of the Environics study of public attitudes concerning release of the historical census records. It is an interesting and thoughtful analysis of the study's methodology and findings. As I am sure you know, the report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records has not been made public, so I cannot comment on your supposition that the Panel would have referred to the Environics study either during its deliberations or in its report. The Panel has submitted its report to the Minister of Industry; the Minister has not yet responded. You suggest that the proper analysis of the Environics findings will make it more possible to reach a reasonable compromise. Let me assure you that I view reasonable compromise as an optimal solution. You may be aware that when questions about the historical census records were raised with me in my recent appearance before the Senate, I stated that I supported a compromise proposed by the Chief Statistician, which I think would go a long way towards resolving the impasse. This is not to deny that I firmly believe that there are important privacy principles at issue here, but simply to say that a creative solution should not be beyond our capabilities. Whether the results of the Environics study, however reliable they may be, can be a deciding factor is another question. While I am interested in indicators of public opinion, I do not believe that issues of principle should be decided simply on the basis of polls. One of the reasons we have a Privacy Commissioner and other independent Officers of Parliament is that some questions require in-depth study and consideration. An independent Office of the Privacy Commissioner is able to commit time, resources, and expertise to the study of complex questions, beyond what can reasonably be expected of members of the general public. It is inevitable that this leads us, from time to time, to take unpopular stances. That is as it should be. The independence of the office is intended to permit exactly that. If my view on privacy issues is at odds with public opinion, I will certainly try to persuade the public to see it my way. But I would not be doing the job Parliament has entrusted to me if I were to choose my position according to prevailing political currents, rather than the principles I am sworn to uphold. Once again, thank you for providing me with your critique. I look forward to the Minister's response to the Expert Panel's report, and, like you, I am hopeful that we can arrive at a reasonable compromise. Yours sincerely, George Radwanski Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Hi Allan. Thank you for you message, and your interest in our efforts to obtain public access to Post 1901 Census Records. As your grandfather found out, it is possible to obtain information from census about ones self, and this applies to any Census up to and including the most recent. However, this does not mean you are able to obtain any other information regarding even members of your immediate family. If you have a spouse and want the information from Census about her, you cannot get that information without her requesting it personally. The same applies to any siblings or children that might have been living in the same household at the time of Census. I do not believe you are required to be even a member of the family to obtain military information, at least for WW I. The major criteria is that you have proof of death of the individual. You may have to proof kinship if the individual has been dead for less than twenty years but after that I believe it is available to anyone. For those involved with the Canadian Expeditionary Forces (C.E.F.) in WW I the government has a website where information regarding them can be viewed on line. It is by no means complete at this time but they are adding information to it on an ongoing basis. Our goal is to obtain public access to all Census, past, present and future, 92 years after collection as per Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. The Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records was finally released to the public on 15 December 2000. It is viewable on line at http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/finalrep.htm The Report recommends allowing public access to all Census 92 years after collection. However Brian Tobin, the new Minister of Industry, has followed the direction of Statistics Canada and states that "further study" is required. We find this position totally unacceptable and are calling for him to immediately follow through on the recommendations of the Expert Panel. Hope this answers your questions. Thank you for your interest and support. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Pearson" <allanpe@trios.com> To: <gordon_watts@telus.net> Sent: Tuesday, 16 January, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Accessing post 1901 census information Good afternoon I read with interest the information about the Canada Census Campaign. Personally, I am from Guelph Ontario. In doing my own genealogy research I have found that my maternal grandfather was able to obtain information relating to a census about 30 or 40 years ago. I do not have the documentation with me, so I cannot be more definite about the census date. Although it was definitely post 1901 census. The information that my grandfather was able to obtain was about himself. So the question is, if a person has the right to obtain census information about themselves, then can their next of kin inherit this right, thus allowing the next of kin to obtain information about deceased ancestors? As you are aware, World War 2 military records can be released to next of kin when (i) the death of the subject person can be proven and (ii) when a relationship such as next of kin can also be proven between the subject person and the researcher. Do you think that this same principle would apply to post 1901 census information? Finally, although the struggle goes on to make post 1901 census information available today, what about census' of the future? Is any effort being made to change the legislation regarding census' of the future. Is it possible to have the legislation changed to allow the 2001 or 2011 census information to be available to future generations? Sincerely, Allan M. Pearson, B.A.S.

To all:- Every day brings more Senate petitions and I sincerely hope every signer added his or her name to one for the House of Commons!!! I have a large stack to tabulate -- will do this on Saturday -- no mail! Today the one received was from Mary E. Davidson, Salt Spring Island, British Columbia -- with a nice total of 34 signatures, gathered at meetings of Genealogical and Historical Meetings. It just happens I have a niece, Mary Elizabeth Davidson in Vancouver! Now -- which provincial GENEALOGICAL or HISTORICAL SOCIETY will top this number of signatures -- I am counting these by PROVINCES. Looking for lots more mail -- and Canadians, if you are in a writing mood, we also have French language petitions for both Senate and House of Commons! I hesitate to give the URL at present, as it might change, due to both English and French pages presently being loaded, but try http://globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Keep 'em coming!!! As I deliver these personally to Senator Lorna Milne, we should try to have one suitcase filled, shouldn't we? Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/ [Click on the flag logo -- easy transport to another site]

To: the Hamilton Spectator While browsing your various pages, I entered one keyword "census" -- there were many sites, Family Tree maker, United States census -- but NOT one mention of the present plight Canadian researchers are facing as we battle for release of the post-1901 census records. The census records are intact, stored at the National Archives -- but the ones we elected as Members of Parliament prefer not to release even the 1906 as suggested by the appointed Expert Panel. Even the 1911 and 1916 could be released -- instead we must AGAIN resort to petitions, letters to MPs, re-presentation of Private Member's Bills by Senator Lorna Milne and Murray Calder, MP. Information is available at:- http://globalgenealogy.com/census http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm http://globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html [Check for several brilliantly written editorials which may be copied] Sincerely hope The Hamilton Spectator will assist us in this genealogical battle, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee member 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542

To all:- The following appeared on the New Brunswick list, from one of our census committee members, Marcel Mason, Iqualut, Nunavut. Sincerely hope someone has an answer for Marcel. Muriel Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> ---------------------------------------- I am wondering if any other list members happen to be using the Linux operating system and if they have come across a good program for genealogy data? I am currently using "LifeLines" which is a [very good I think] text only program using vi , which is ok for me but my family is more graphically oriented and can't seem to get with the command syntax vi uses - and while the reporting is good it cannot export to html or any other sort of graphic output. Any help appreciated Marcel Mason <masonm@nunanet.com>

I sent my guy "Derik Lee", a long letter. But I have my doupts if he will change. " A fence sitter " He is in my riding in east end of Scarboro. In the newspaper at election time after he won they said that he did not do much over the last number of years, but he has taken this riding without a struggle hands down. Not much else to vote for. I have never seen him do ANYTHING and I have lived here since 1986. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542@home.com> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: [CCC] On YOUR Mark -- Get Set -- Start Typing!!!!! > To all:- > > After reading the various editorials and also receiving a "vintage 1999" > reply re a letter I sent to The Hon. Brian Tobin -- I feel he needs a flood > of mail -- hard-copy, e-mail, whatever!!! > > This new Minister of Industry, hardly "wet behind the ears" as a Member of > Parliament and in charge of OUR Canadian Census Records, dares to suggest > we add more "discussion" to the 20-30 years to date. Our taxpayers money > was spent on the Report of the Expert Panel, and it looks great to see the > report was released December 15 by Mr. Tobin. > > Honestly, I feel he had no choice -- Gordon Watts had submitted two (2) > Access to Information requests -- the first one was not recognized!! The > second one, with request to be filled in 90 days, was actually filled on > the 89th day -- by Mr. Tobin!! > > You can see that Gordon Watts and I work at various "angles" of this game. > > For all interested in HOPEFULLY having the Expert Panel's suggestion > followed: "immediate release of 1906 census records for three prairie > provinces, and records up to 1918" - (these include 1911 census records). > [All are safely housed at National Archives -- but mere ordinary Canadians > are not allowed to view these -- Senator Lorna Milne and Murray Calder, MP > have to start the whole process of re-presenting the same-worded Private > Member's Bills. > > So --- grab some scratch paper, jot down what you wish to say, be emphatic. > If you have a story, please tell him -- he may listen!!! He might even > learn the meaning of BHC (British Home Children) > > YOUR letter should be addressed to: > > The Hon. Brian Tobin, MP (Bonavista-Trinity-Conception) > Minister of Industry > House of Commons > Ottawa, ON > K1A 0A6 POSTAGE IS FREE > > Go to: http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm > Find YOUR Member of Parliament -- e.g. Sarkis Assadourian, MP > I would add: cc: Sarkis Assadourian, MP (Brampton Centre) > > YOUR full name, address must be put on the letter -- if you use an e-mail > address, as well, that is how I received the old-fashioned reply today! > > Print your letter - one to Brian Tobin and one for your Member of Parliament. > Mr. Tobin will actually receive TWO (2) letters from you, as your MP "will > pass the buck" and forward the letter to Mr. Tobin {great black/white > wallpaper} > > Please make certain YOUR envelope is large -- even coloured -- FREE postage. > Left-over red and green Christmas envelopes should show up! > > E-Mails are counted as per subject matter -- so after you have your letter > printed off, do a Copy and Paste to send as an e-mail to the following: > The Hon. Brian Tobin <tobin.brian@ic.gc.ca> > You will have sent two letters and one e-mail -- we will compare stale > replies at a later date. > > Non-Canadians do not have a Member of Parliament, except for the areas > he/she are researching for lost ancestors. I have received many letters > by attachment, in WORD only, with .doc extension, complete with address, > as I do not have the time to write back for the address. [Special service] > > NO -- I will not give you sample letters as each person feels differently. > I would suggest you visit > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html > a site shared by Bryan Keddy and myself -- read the editorials posted there, > printed in major newspapers across Canada. From these, you will obtain > some thoughts!!! > > When the answer comes in, please let us know -- I am posting the vintage > 1999 one received today, complete with a bulletin he/she is asked to use. > Let's see who gets an original one, not signed by a staff member, and > with signature of the Member of Parliament and a red star re Mr. Tobin!!! > > By January 29th, 2001 when Parliament resumes, we should find the corridors > clogged with our mail -- I hope!!! > > Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> > http://globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm > >

hi try this url for linux genealogy. http://www.vjet.demon.co.uk/ftree/index.html hth roz -----Original Message----- From: Muriel M. Davidson [SMTP:davidson3542@home.com] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:08 PM To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CCC] Linux genealogy program To all:- The following appeared on the New Brunswick list, from one of our census committee members, Marcel Mason, Iqualut, Nunavut. Sincerely hope someone has an answer for Marcel. Muriel Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> ---------------------------------------- I am wondering if any other list members happen to be using the Linux operating system and if they have come across a good program for genealogy data? I am currently using "LifeLines" which is a [very good I think] text only program using vi , which is ok for me but my family is more graphically oriented and can't seem to get with the command syntax vi uses - and while the reporting is good it cannot export to html or any other sort of graphic output. Any help appreciated Marcel Mason <masonm@nunanet.com>

To all:- I searched the following site and in Beverly National Cemetery, NJ I found the following -- once a resident of Liverpool, Nova Scotia and my cousin:- Benfold, Edward Clyde, b. 01/15/1931, d. 09/05/1952, US Navy, HM3, Res: Camden, NJ, Plot: DS 0 12, bur. 11/12/1952 Edward was killed in Korea - for further information, search for USS BENFOLD. Many thanks, Jacqueline, but I have found I could add several listings. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Hi, Maybe this site can be of some help to someone. Jacquie (USA, California) http://www.interment.net/ Browse the Library... · United States Cemeteries · Australia Cemeteries · Canada Cemeteries · New Zealand Cemeteries · Ireland Cemeteries · United Kingdom Cemeteries · Other Countries Newest Cemetery Records... · Munson Cemetery in Chittenden County, Vermont · Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in Delaware County, Pennsylvania · White Church Cemetery in Wentworth County, Ontario · Gregory Cemetery in Crawford County, Arkansas · Resurrection Cemetery in Bucks County, Pennsylvania · New Cathedral Cemetery in Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania · Arcadia Cemetery in Hancock County, Ohio · Hall Creek Cemetery in Ferry County, Washington · More Newest Cemeteries... ==== NOVA-SCOTIA Mailing List ==== An FAQ Web page for this list is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~canns/nsfaq.html Be sure to bookmark this site in case you misplace this welcome message and need help with list commands.

A Few Of My Favorite Things Groupsheets on paper and pedigree charts Folded up letters and old Christmas cards Ancient cigar boxes tied up with strings These are a few of my favorite things. Passenger lists and sweet tasting kolache Immigration records and dumplings with paprikas Memories of songs that my Grandma would sing These are a few of my favorite things. Brown colored pictures and names for the faces Records of dates and strange sounding places Recollections of stories and family gatherings These are a few of my favorite things. When I hit the brick wall When nothing seems to fit at all When I just cannot recall I remember a few of my favorite things And then I can start all over again. Dust blanketed books and feather filled covers Songs of the holiday and bright dancing colors Images of Christmas when it is snowing These are a few of my favorite things.

To all:- A CENSUS STORY I have always been interested in history, aided by my grandfather and his copies of answers to census questions from 1901 to 1921. This old cheap scribbler is full of notes, written first by my paternal grandmother, later by Grandpa Farquhar! My mother started keeping a record of her replies with the 1926 census, many changes over the years, and her last recording was 1981. Possibly I have more complete records than we will ever see on released census records. My family research started about 1975, much was learned, until Allan Dunlop, formerly of PANS, told me of the coming problem re 1911 census. This was back in late 1980s, and like others, we worked alone, writing to this one and that one, but seemingly getting nowhere. During the years my work had centered around newspapers, with my last job as women's editor of the weekly newspaper, after being proofreader of a daily for some time. In March, 1999 I received a phone call from a friend whom you all know by now -- I was asked if I would like to take part in a "great venture" that would involve all from coast to coast. Sounded interesting!!! At that time, although living in Ontario, I only belonged to two lists, NOVA-SCOTIA and LUNEN-LINKS, due to my Nova Scotian research. A chat with Gail Facini Edwards, thinking about the amount of work for a couple days, then I posted two messages, one to each list. GORDON WATTS was the first to answer -- others have joined the Canada Census Committee, a volunteer group. Latest newcomers have been Don Tate from Newfoundland-Labrador (although he lives in Florida), Marcel Mason in Iqaluit, Nunavut and Garth Ulrich in charge of Saskatchewan. The committee members do not know each other, except by phone or e-mail, have become friends by working for a common goal. Two lists? The total is now about 30, plus lists to which Gordon belongs. We have come a long way since March, 1999 -- but we need to keep the PRESSURE on. Just because there was an election is no reason to slack off, NOW is when we need to get after the politicians. Thanks have been coming to Gordon Watts and to myself -- but YOU are to be thanked -- every reader!!!! Every letter writer!!! Yes, the phone call was from Senator Lorna Milne -- her Private Member's Bill is "ready to roll", the former number of S-15 removed -- the same will be done with Murray Calder's Bill C-484 -- NEW NUMBERS. Census is genealogy and history, but because Parliamentary bills have had to be necessary, some listowners prefer census news not to be posted in one province, and language difficulties in another, adding to the question "What can we do?" Lorna's husband, Ross Milne, has promised a huge barbeque for all the committee members -- in their Brampton backyard -- we look forward to enjoying it -- with YOUR help!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee Brampton, Ontario

http://feefhs.org/fbvca/1872n.html To all:- The above URL has been supplied from a member of the New Brunswick list -- it shows only the "N" names, but many are from Canada and some are familiar. At the bottom is a Master FEEFHS Index -- which likely will include other letters of the alphabet -- believe me, it is a HUGE list!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

To all:- After reading the various editorials and also receiving a "vintage 1999" reply re a letter I sent to The Hon. Brian Tobin -- I feel he needs a flood of mail -- hard-copy, e-mail, whatever!!! This new Minister of Industry, hardly "wet behind the ears" as a Member of Parliament and in charge of OUR Canadian Census Records, dares to suggest we add more "discussion" to the 20-30 years to date. Our taxpayers money was spent on the Report of the Expert Panel, and it looks great to see the report was released December 15 by Mr. Tobin. Honestly, I feel he had no choice -- Gordon Watts had submitted two (2) Access to Information requests -- the first one was not recognized!! The second one, with request to be filled in 90 days, was actually filled on the 89th day -- by Mr. Tobin!! You can see that Gordon Watts and I work at various "angles" of this game. For all interested in HOPEFULLY having the Expert Panel's suggestion followed: "immediate release of 1906 census records for three prairie provinces, and records up to 1918" - (these include 1911 census records). [All are safely housed at National Archives -- but mere ordinary Canadians are not allowed to view these -- Senator Lorna Milne and Murray Calder, MP have to start the whole process of re-presenting the same-worded Private Member's Bills. So --- grab some scratch paper, jot down what you wish to say, be emphatic. If you have a story, please tell him -- he may listen!!! He might even learn the meaning of BHC (British Home Children) YOUR letter should be addressed to: The Hon. Brian Tobin, MP (Bonavista-Trinity-Conception) Minister of Industry House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 POSTAGE IS FREE Go to: http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Find YOUR Member of Parliament -- e.g. Sarkis Assadourian, MP I would add: cc: Sarkis Assadourian, MP (Brampton Centre) YOUR full name, address must be put on the letter -- if you use an e-mail address, as well, that is how I received the old-fashioned reply today! Print your letter - one to Brian Tobin and one for your Member of Parliament. Mr. Tobin will actually receive TWO (2) letters from you, as your MP "will pass the buck" and forward the letter to Mr. Tobin {great black/white wallpaper} Please make certain YOUR envelope is large -- even coloured -- FREE postage. Left-over red and green Christmas envelopes should show up! E-Mails are counted as per subject matter -- so after you have your letter printed off, do a Copy and Paste to send as an e-mail to the following: The Hon. Brian Tobin <tobin.brian@ic.gc.ca> You will have sent two letters and one e-mail -- we will compare stale replies at a later date. Non-Canadians do not have a Member of Parliament, except for the areas he/she are researching for lost ancestors. I have received many letters by attachment, in WORD only, with .doc extension, complete with address, as I do not have the time to write back for the address. [Special service] NO -- I will not give you sample letters as each person feels differently. I would suggest you visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html a site shared by Bryan Keddy and myself -- read the editorials posted there, printed in major newspapers across Canada. From these, you will obtain some thoughts!!! When the answer comes in, please let us know -- I am posting the vintage 1999 one received today, complete with a bulletin he/she is asked to use. Let's see who gets an original one, not signed by a staff member, and with signature of the Member of Parliament and a red star re Mr. Tobin!!! By January 29th, 2001 when Parliament resumes, we should find the corridors clogged with our mail -- I hope!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm

To all Readers and Subscribers PLUS Friends:- IF this survey has not been completed, PLEASE DO IT NOW!!! I have completed my form, but became greedy and want the 1911 census -- also many items put on CDs to sell to us - we collect things like that!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html ====================================================== The National Archives of Canada is performing a survey until January 15th.  This survey will help determine what material the NAC will put on the web in the future as part of their digitalized collections. Some of their proposed projects will be of more interest to genealogists than others. If you would like to complete this survey, it can be found at: http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&0104&e&top&0 In light of the attempts of Canada's Privacy Commissioner to suppress all data, in perpetuity, from any post-1901 Census, I feel that it would be most helpful if as many people as possible could fill out this survey and EMPHASIZE how necessary it is that the censuses be kept accessible and that *post-1901 censuses be made available as soon as possible*. You don't have to be Canadian in order to be affected and to respond to this survey. ==== NewBrunswick Mailing List ==== Tip of the Week When replying to a message please check the subject line before sending it to make sure that the subject reflects what is in your message.

The email for Brian Tobin is; tobin.brian@ic.gc.ca ========================== Many thanks to Don Boyle for correct e-mail message for Brian Tobin -- Many have been trying to contact him. I will repeat it again:- E-MAILS ARE COUNTED BY SUBJECT You may not receive an answer. LETTERS with YOUR signature and full address should be answered -- hopefully with his signature, as we do not know HOW he feels about census release, yet is Minister of Industry, put in charge of all these precious records. Back home, in Newfoundland, he does not have to worry as the census records are online up to 1945 -- so possibly he views the rest of Canada with this view in mind. Address for Mr. Tobin:- The Hon. Brian Tobin, M.P.(Bonavista - Trinity - Conception) Minister of Industry House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Postage is FREE -- copy to YOUR Member of Parliament. Thanks in advance Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm - check NEWFOUNDLAND

To all:- Gordon Watts provided the following re e-mail address for Brian Tobin:- The addresses I received from Mary Ledoux at StatCan are <tobin.brian@ic.gc.ca> and <tobinb@parl.gc.ca> E-mail messages are very easy to send -- but do have to be answered. These are COUNTED as to subject matter, then stored. Snail-mail, to many, is a big pain! However, the Member of Parliament often answers hard-copy letters, but often has a staff member do this. Postage is FREE, so all it costs you will be two (2) sheets of paper and two envelopes -- nice big bright ones! Go to: http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Find your Member of Parliament -- you will have one whether you voted or not. Copy the letter to Mr. Tobin to your Member of Parliament. One important question:- Will YOU, as an elected Member of Parliament, fully SUPPORT release of the Post-1901 Canadian census records, and vote YES on any Bills or Motions re census presented on our behalf? Let's provide enough paper to re-paper the walls of his office!! We can imagine Mr. Tobin looking at the walls of his office and seeing all our letters. Did you know when you send a copy to your MP, he/she generally forwards it to Mr. Tobin -- three letters with same words and from the same person!! Have fun -- but write those letters! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

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There is an interesting article on the issue of publication vs privacy of census information in today's Globe and Mail, titled "Show us the data". Go to <http://globeandmail.ca> and into the top search engine type census - it is then the second article in the list. Sue Thomson Searching for family of BHC Connie Marjorie Reader =============================== Many, many thanks for the above information and site address. I followed the instructions, the search engine is at the upper left, the article is the second one "Show Us The Data" It was very nice of the Globe and Mail to leave a spot from which one could send the article to three people - I did with comments, that 30 years of talk was sufficient! I sent the article to The Hon. Brian Tobin <Brian.Tobin@ic.gc.ca> Don Tate - committee representative for Newfoundland CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com One is allowed to send the article to three people. Thanks again, Sue -- keep reading, folks! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> ============================== The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1