Muriel: If you want to knock me, feel free to do so. But, please do not lie about me, or about my family. 1. My father was born in Canada, of Canadian parents. His family has been in what is now Canada since long before the Europeans arrived. His European ancestors have been in Canada since 1784. He was always a Canadian, and NEVER became a U.S. Citizen. He died a Canadian in 1978. You know that, we have discussed it at length. Why do you want to spread falsehoods? You said about me, and I quote, "he is what I call a rabble rouser, stirring things up, lives in the United States, cross because his parents became American citizens in 1947 -- that is why he lost his Canadian citizenship". Yes, I live in the United States of America, and I'm not the least bit ashamed of that. I was born in the United States of America, and I am not ashamed of that either. As to whether or not I am a rabble rouser, well, I don't consider the people that read the notes on this list rabble. Perhaps you do? I do hope to rouse them up though, because disaster is about to befall the Genealogical community inside, and outside of Canada. You KNOW, and you refuse to acknowledge, that Jeff Paul, Senator Lonra Milne's legislative assistant, has stated that the Government WILL NOT ALLOW any amendment to the following areas: 1. There can be NO amendment to the clause requiring that between 92 and 112 years after a census, all access will be under the terms of the "Undertaking". No one will be allowed to publish anything more than "tombstone" information, on their own family line. They may NOT research other family lines, etc. 2. There will be NO amendment to the "Opt Out" clause of S-13. This is the clause that will require that every individual check off a box on all future censuses, giving their permission for their data to be released 92 years later. This will result in virtually ALL census materials never being released to the public. What part of WILL NOT ALLOW, do you not understand? That is very clear and simple language. The Government will not accept Bill S-13, with any amendments to those sections mentioned. If such amendments are proposed, they will be voted down. If, by a miracle, such an amendment were to pass, then the Government will kill the bill rather than allow it to pass. Mr. Paul stated, very, very clearly that if those areas are amended, the Government will instruct its members to vote against the bill. Do you wish to deny that this is what Mr. Paul has said? Do you have ANY EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER, that Mr. Paul is not correct? Isn't he in a position to know what will, and will not, be acceptable to the governing party? You don't want to face reality, that it is Bill S-13, or NOTHING. The Government has stated what its position is, and that they are unmoveable. WHY KEEP LYING TO FOLKS AND TELLING THEM THAT THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN GET THIS BILL AMENDED? You can maybe get a spirited debate on it. So what? The government can ram this thing through, and from what Jeff Paul has said, that is what they are going to do. I know it is horrible for you that your good friend betrayed you so thoroughly. But don't strike out at others, because they refuse to live in a world of fantasy. Please tell me where I am wrong on what I am saying. Don't call me names, point out where the information I am providing is inaccurate. Maybe I missed something. But what I have read, written by Jeff Paul, does not leave much room for hope. You may get your debate, and show all of Canada that the Liberal Government is locking up valuable and needed information needlessly. You will still have to live with S-13, once the government passes it into law. And unless we all can find a way to kill it, that bill, with its most objectionable parts, will become the law. And over time, to every Genealogist and Family Historian with ancestors in Canada, the name of Lorna Milne will become a curseword. Lynton (Bill) Stewart Proud of both my American and Canadian Ancestry

The news media is probably the best solution, if you give anger and abuse you get anger and abuse in return. Cross Country Check Up sounds good to me, and the Idea of flooding the Stats. office with request for our own census records. A day will have to be picked and flood the switchboard at CBC with calls from all over North America and beyond. We have sent a note with Muriel's web site address to the CTV news team in Halifax, may or may get a response. Ron

Great idea. P:puts the topic out in front and maaay get the topic on the News. Most people not involved in genealogy would not realize that the census is not made public as the norm. Lets get it on the air waves where the general public gets to know what Statistics Canada is trying to do. Also they may see that the Senators don't have the public's interest in mind but are there to collect a pay cheque (more than the average Canadian earns) and to rubber-stamp what the government wants. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom G. & Rita Offer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] What about Cross Country Check Up? > Right on Juanita > Excellent suggestion, even our Canadian Cousins in the US can call in. > Cheers Rita in PEI, where its finally Spring > > joseph macdonald wrote: > > > It is right across the country, and they get up to 5,000 people trying > > to call in. If it is 5 thou. trying to call in, just imagine how many > > more are listening, 5 times, 10 times that or more. It is a darn good > > radio talk show. > > > > Cross Country Checkup > > http://www.cbc.ca/checkup/ > > > > Canada's only national open-line radio program, broadcast live across > > Canada every Sunday afternoon on CBC Radio One and now also on the CBC > > Country Canada TV channel. > > Each week broadcaster and writer Rex Murphy moderates a lively > > discussion on an issue of national interest or importance, and invites > > listeners to call in with their opinions and thoughts. > > > > Regards > > Juanita > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at > http://globalgazette.net

Today I received my form from MPAC whcih stands for Municipal Property Assessment Corp. They use this form for various reasons which is self-explanatory. I called them and asked them if I was under any legal obligation to fill out this form, their reply was "NO". I've decided to send the form back unsigned with a note as to the reason why I refuse to sign the form, i.e. Bill S13. The postage is free, maybe it won't make a difference but it is a start into the realm of Civil Disobedience. Wayne Cook http://www.waynecook.com (A History Television Approved Site) and your Host for the Simcoe County Genweb page at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml Wasaga Beach, Ontario, Canada 1. Historic Plaques of Ontario 1,044 Plaques online http://www.waynecook.com 2. The Canadian Query Boards at http://www.waynecook.com/bulletin.html

I would like to thank every one who took the time to email me in regards to my previous post ( It seems were always behind! ). I needed to get my head straight again and re-focus on the big picture. With all these posts saying we should vote or kill the bill... I was getting confused to the point of not knowing what was the better option. I want Gordon to know that I in no way was suggesting the bill should be killed. I was just trying to understand the different options. I understand that a lot of hard work has been done and I praise the efforts of everyone involved. I read all the literature on the Census site and have read almost every post. I have a very good understanding about what the proposed bill says. I believe the bill is better than nothing as long as the ammendments are there. I agree with Gordon that we must re-unite and start working together once again or this is all going to back fire on us. As many others, I really need to have acces to the 1911 census records. I agree with the ammendments Gordon has listed and I know we don't want topush our luck by asking for too many. My new question to you, Gordon, is whats next? What is the best thing to do right now? One last point... if I got confused about what direction to take, I'm sure that many others are in the same boat. I think we need to all get the idea of killing the bill out of our heads. Cheers!

Different companies are working on indexing those censuses. There are using volunteers. The more people they get working on it, the faster it would be available and free to access by anyone. There are already a few indexed, in Ontario from 1842 to 1901. I don't know about the other provinces. The American censuses were indexed much faster, maybe because more people were involved in doing just that. But most of their indexed census are not free to access. That's a shame. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samario, Michael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: [CCC] It seems were always behind! > Hi! > > When reading all the posts from the Canadian Census Campaign mailing list, I always have the same questions that come to mind: > > 1) Why can we have the same access that Americans do to the census? If it's good for them, why not us? > 2) Why is Canada so slow at providing online services that include images and surname indices of popular records such as each census up until 1911, passenger lists before 1925, vital records, etc...? > 3) If it is too much of a task for the National Archives to do, why can't companies such as Ancestry.com or rootsweb bring this data online? > > I often feel that the government is robbing us of our right to know our own heritage by complicating the process of researching genealogical data. In the case, of the census... why do we face so many hurdles. Do we really need a bill to give us access to information that should be public domain? Is the latest bill the best anybody can do? Is it our best and only solution to have access to our heritage? Why do things have to be this way. > > Reading the many posts, I can not figure out if I'm for the Bill (including the suggested ammendments) or against it because it is too restrictive and inconsiderate to genealogists of future generations (i.e. the opt clause+20year). > > I'm not starting any flames. I appreciate the hard work that Gordon and Murial have done to get us this far. I am simply projecting my thoughts... hoping I can rationalize what is happening. > > Thanks for reading my post and I welcome any feedback, opinions, and suggestions that anybody may have. > > > Yours Truly, > > Michael R. Samario > > ______________________________

In the United States, the Government makes 100% of the census returns available after a perio of 72 years. There are no exceptions to this policy. The government does NOT however, provide free online access, indexs of the census, etc. The government sells copies of the microfilm;. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of reels of this film for the 1930 census (the most current one available). If you have the money, you can purchase all of them. There is no restriction on copying them, and selling the copies to anyone you want. Private companies purchase thses films. They then post them on their web sites, at their expense. Why is is wrong for them to charge a fee for doing this? They provide their own index to the census, and they charge whatever they wish for that convienence and service. You can go to any National Archives office, and review all of those films for free. Many free sites provide local census films. The LDS Family History Libraries provide the films free if they are in the local library, and for a very minimal cost if you need to order them. Our nominal tax rates are significantly less than they are in Canada. So, our government does not provide the same things, in the same way, as Canada does. Our people, on the whole, would never stand for the tax rates up there. So, we don't expect the government to provide services that private companies can do. Different countries do things differently. Not necessarily better or worse, just different. We have many things in common with Canada, and many things are quite different. We give access to the census much sooner, but you have to work a little harder to see it. ===== Lynton (Bill) Stewart A former dual Canadian and U.S. Citizen, who's Canadian Citizenship was automatically stripped away without any notice.. My younger siblings get to resume their Canadian Citizenship, by merely filing a form, proving our father was Canadian and paying a small fee. I do not have that same right, because I was born before 1947.

To all:- There are SUPPOSED to be 301 Members of Parliament in the House of Commons but scrolling down the scoreboard, one finds the following vacancies:- Ontario: Perth-Middlesex -- since filled but not posted Quebec: Berthier-Montcalm -- no mention of this situation. How many have Quebec family and friends -- the Quebec scoreboard needs a "new paint job" -- this can only be attained IF ones who need information from census will contact his or her Quebec Member of Parliament. Yes, there are Quebec members of the Canada Census Committee -- one man has been doing a great job -- but there are others. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/committee.html When - and if -- the 1911 and other census records are released, Quebec and Newfoundland will be included -- both provinces of Canada. Please COPY all letters to Quebec Members of Parliament to me for posting, as well as to Gordon Watts. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [This site is faster for scoreboards] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Hello, I know Records Access is a serious subject. I have been known to lose my vital record, social security and census of balance over it. Land sakes and wills hunting, court records might be next on the funeral pyre! So I have morphed a generic records access poster and fodder for bumper stickers. Whether it's the escalating costs of records copies everywhere, attempts to close the Massachusetts vital records after 400 years of due diligence access for all and related movements in California, Indiana, Texas, Utah an elsewhere, or the crusades to put Canadian Census records in Purgatory for 112 years or forever by administrative whim, the destruction of historical records in Australia, the "me too" census revisionists in the UK or the attempts to demote the libraries and archival priorities in Virginia and Florida - there is clearly some storm of discontent about historic records preservation within the minds of our collective representatives. These representatives need to be reminded that we are many and they are few. I welcome all contributions for more perspectives on this issue - maybe a laugh or two in the reading! This page prints on legal size sheets of 8 1/2 x 14 or any item can be selected out for bumper sticker enlargement http://www.Genealogyfair.com/RecordsAccessBumperStickers.htm I will display poster versions at NGS in Pittsburgh and will print extras for anyone else attending NGS to pick up if they send me email by Sunday. Sharon Sergeant ===== Sharon Sergeant Ancestors and Ephemera http://GenealogyFair.com Bring Your Ancestors Home!

Greetings All. We have a few listers who are very insistent that the only answer to Bill S-13 is to kill it, and they are not shy about putting forth what they believe are facts relating to Bill S-13, what has gone before, and what is currently happening. There is an old saying that states "It ain't necessarily so". While I might agree with some of the points these listers make, there are others points with which I disagree entirely. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to continue a personal head to head confrontation with those listers. I will list below a few realities in the hope that we can start working together, rather than at odds with each other. Not one of us is happy with Bill S-13 as presently worded. S-13 contains a number of conditions and restrictions, some of which we can live with even though we do not wish to, and for which no need has been demonstrated. That does not mean that we should not attempt to see them amended or removed. Clause 8 -- the "Informed Consent" clause is a restriction that we feel we cannot live with, and it must be removed or at the very least seriously amended. This is the worst clause in Bill S-13 in that it would destroy the usefulness of any Census from 2006 and on -- for both historians and genealogists. Contrary to the opinion of some, nothing has yet been 'ramrodded' through. S-13 is currently being debated in the Senate. To date only those Senators who oppose the Bill have had their say, and there are more of those to come, after which supporters of the Bill will have their turn.. Those Senators who have spoken against S-13 do not simply oppose Bill S-13, but oppose access to the Census records in any way shape or form. Senator Murray claims to support S-13 but he does so only as the "lesser of two evils". In this regard he is the same as the Chief Statistician. It appears unlikely that any amendments will be made in the Senate, and so we must try to see that they are made in the House of Commons. Now for the realities that I spoke of above. * Canada has a Parliament in which the House of Commons has 301 Members elected by the people. * It is a Majority government in which the Liberal Party has 169 of the 301 seats. This means that Liberals outnumber members of all other parties combined. * Bill S-13 is a government Bill * If there is a 'directed vote', i.e. Liberal Members of Parliament are told by the PM and the Cabinet how to vote, S-13 could be passed exactly as now worded regardless of how non-Liberal MPs vote. This would happen regardless of how we feel about it. * If we do not advise our elected representatives what we think about the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 and ask them to move and support the amendments we seek, it will most certainly be passed as it is currently worded. What can we do about this? First of all we must push the government through our elected representatives for a FREE VOTE as opposed to a 'directed vote'. We must seek a free and open debate on the conditions and restrictions imposed by Bill S-13, and on amendments that we seek to make S-13 more acceptable. We MUST continue to seek amendments to S-13. In order of importance those amendments need are: * Removal of Clause 8 * Release of at least the 1911 and 1916 without restrictions, on the same basis as records for 1906 and earlier have already been released. * Removal of the twenty year period of non-disclosure and the need to commit to an "undertaking" regarding that disclosure. We have been advised that if too many amendments are made to S-13 the government could remove their support for it, thus theoretically seeing it defeated. For those who would like to see the Bill killed, perhaps the surest way of accomplishing that might be to continue pushing for the amendments we seek. If those amendments are moved and passed in the House, one of two things will happen -- either we will end up with a Bill that is more acceptable to us, or the government will withdraw their support and possibly direct a negative vote. Either way, the biggest reality is this: IF WE DO NOTHING, BILL S-13 WILL BE PASSED AS CURRENTLY WORDED -- WITHOUT AMENDMENT!! -- WITH ALL IT'S CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS!! Happy Hunting. Gordon

Here in the Maritimes CBC occasionally have a genealogist on their Maritime-Noon show. This would also be a good place to bring our cause to the public.

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This was gleamed from StatsCan's site. In one of their teacher's kits. http://www.statcan.ca/cgi-bin/statcomment.pl Who do you think might need the information in the 1911 Census Occupations example? History researchers and history students might be interested in the information from the 1911 Census Occupations example. As you will see, statistical information can be presented in a variety of ways such as graphs, tables or illustrations. 1911 Census occupations This is a table of statistical information about the types of occupations available in Canada in the last century. It shows the number of Canadians who had particular occupations at the time of the 1911 Census. Note how some occupations were referred to at that time! Selected occupations, Canada: 1911 Census Occupation Males Females Bridge and gate tenders 436 2 Char-workers 12 4,700 Launderers and laundresses 588 282 Hotel keepers 3,102 848 Undertakers 43 0 Gardeners 469 18 Coachmen and grooms 418 0 Sailors and seamen 16,347 0 Match makers 72 178 Nurses 124 5,476 Stenographers and typists 1,603 9,754 Actors and theatrical employees 2,410 432 Musicians and teachers of music 2,001 3,574 Hucksters and peddlers 3,135 113 Total 30,760 25,377 ...................... I dug out an old dictionary (1942) and found that 'huckster' was used figuratively as, "One who makes petty or mean bargains," Wonder if they had any Hucksters involved in coming up with Bill S-13? Regards Juanita

Hi! When reading all the posts from the Canadian Census Campaign mailing list, I always have the same questions that come to mind: 1) Why can we have the same access that Americans do to the census? If it's good for them, why not us? 2) Why is Canada so slow at providing online services that include images and surname indices of popular records such as each census up until 1911, passenger lists before 1925, vital records, etc...? 3) If it is too much of a task for the National Archives to do, why can't companies such as Ancestry.com or rootsweb bring this data online? I often feel that the government is robbing us of our right to know our own heritage by complicating the process of researching genealogical data. In the case, of the census... why do we face so many hurdles. Do we really need a bill to give us access to information that should be public domain? Is the latest bill the best anybody can do? Is it our best and only solution to have access to our heritage? Why do things have to be this way. Reading the many posts, I can not figure out if I'm for the Bill (including the suggested ammendments) or against it because it is too restrictive and inconsiderate to genealogists of future generations (i.e. the opt clause+20year). I'm not starting any flames. I appreciate the hard work that Gordon and Murial have done to get us this far. I am simply projecting my thoughts... hoping I can rationalize what is happening. Thanks for reading my post and I welcome any feedback, opinions, and suggestions that anybody may have. Yours Truly, Michael R. Samario

This should give you a general idea. It's not the exact form but the only question that was supposedly on the 1911 census that wasn't on earlier censuses was the question to do with the amount of Insurance, Life, Accident and Sickness and how much it cost. The beginning of delving into asking questions and more questions, till we get to the long form of 2001 where they asked 51 questions (question 51 has nine parts a-j) and another eight questions on your dwelling The reference is Ottawa Citizen, Apr 17, 1911, page 2. "Information Census Seeks - Enumerators will have a lot of questions to ask "The census, or gathering of statistics with respect to the internal affairs of the Dominion of Canada, will take place on the first of June 1911, and all information gathered shall have reference to the same date, unless otehrwise specified in the schedules, or determined by the minister of agriculture. "From the following information gleaned from the schedules and instructions issued under the direction of importance to the big cities, may be learned some idea of the immense amount of labor entailed, and the success of which can only be obtained by the co-operation of the Canadian people everywhere in this Dominion." Schedule One - names, place of habitation, sex, relation to head, marital status - pretty much the same as 1901 census except that a new column is "If naturalized, year of naturalization." "The census also delves into your otherwise private affairs in the matter of wage-earners, thus:" -Place of employment, weeks employed in 1910 at chief occupation or at other occupations, hours per week worked, total earnings in 1910, wage rate per hour. -Amount of insurance owned - life, accident, sickness, cost of insurance. -Months spent at school in 1910, language spoken, any mental deficiencies. "Schedule No. 2 deals with mortality, disability and compensation." [That is really all the article says about schedule 2, and I'm not sure what's meant by this, or if it's important.] Schedules 3 through 7 concern farms and their products. Schedules 8 through 13 deal with other industries. "Full instructions accompany the schedules for the information of enumerators, the divisions of districts, the directions for taking a census of the Indian Reservations, and the remuneration of the commissioners, agents, or other persons appointed to take the census." Juanita MacDonald

To all:- I spent a fruitless several hours this morning, attempting to learn the questions asked on the 1911 Canadian census. I used Google and various combinations -- However, I found several charts -- which told me when new questions were asked -- not very satisfactory. Do we have to yell at StatsCan to learn the questions? One interesting site found was http://www.islandnet.com/~jveinot/cghl/census.html Whenever I thought I had found the corrrect site, a polite message from Statistics Canada told me I had "stumbled" on a page (or pages) not for public viewing. I did post a set of questions the other day -- but thanks to Brian Gilchrist, I now find these were asked in INDIA. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Thanks to Lois for giving the information to download the Access to Information form. I've printed off my copy and will await Gordon's opinion on when to send and any tips on how to proceed with it. I will also see if I can get onto the radio program mentioned this Sunday; I will certainly be tuned in! April in BC

Right on Juanita Excellent suggestion, even our Canadian Cousins in the US can call in. Cheers Rita in PEI, where its finally Spring joseph macdonald wrote: > It is right across the country, and they get up to 5,000 people trying > to call in. If it is 5 thou. trying to call in, just imagine how many > more are listening, 5 times, 10 times that or more. It is a darn good > radio talk show. > > Cross Country Checkup > http://www.cbc.ca/checkup/ > > Canada's only national open-line radio program, broadcast live across > Canada every Sunday afternoon on CBC Radio One and now also on the CBC > Country Canada TV channel. > Each week broadcaster and writer Rex Murphy moderates a lively > discussion on an issue of national interest or importance, and invites > listeners to call in with their opinions and thoughts. > > Regards > Juanita > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

The form can be printed from this site: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/350-57_e.asp There is also general information on how to make a request. I am waiting for our list expert's wording and advise before sending mine in. Since June 1, 2003 is a Sunday, I thought I would wait until June 3 in case the National Archivist wants to surprise us again with a dramatic release online. Lois Sparling

Hello Muriel True, he is not up to date, and will never be so. Becasue he has been assured that all is well and he does not need to do anything more. He thinks it is all over. And he said he heard this from Senater Milne. What is going on. I would like to know. Bonnie At 10:10 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Bonnie:- > >Did you not read my message last evening that another >political party was holding "up the works" - Third Reading >and Voting? >Whoever is in the genealogy club is not up-to-date. >The dear Senators will likely pass S-13 as is -- then we >hope our ELECTED Members of Parliament might be able to >do something. If they succeed, the bill will have to then go back >to the Senate for further approval. > >If you are listening to Lynton Stewart, he is what I call a rabble >rouser, stirring things up, lives in United States, cross because >his parents became American citizens in 1947 -- that is why >he lost his Canadian citizenship. > >Muriel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bonnie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:04 PM >Subject: [CCC] what local people think > > > > Hello > > I just wanted to let you know that I went to the president of the local > > geno club to ask him to get the club to go to city hall. > > His answer, According to Senitor Milne, it is all under control and the > > extra conditions are nothing. We do not have to do anything more. > > What is she trying to do? > > Bonnie > > > > At 03:56 PM 5/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >I suspect that Senator Fraser is telling exactly the truth. > > > Based upon the arguement set forth regarding Bill S-13, > > >she supports it as is. > > > > > >I have followed the posted material about the debate. The > > >support for any form of amendment in the Senate has been > > >tepid, at best. Not one person, especially the Senator > > >sponsoring the bill, has made any kind of real arguement as > > >to why it should be amended. It is all generalities, and > > >placation of the opposition. > > > > > >READ the stuff that has been posted. Go and look at the > > >Hansard Index. Find out what your Senator is saying, if > > >anything. Read the actual "arguement" and find out what is > > >actually being said. I suspect that a good many of the > > >people on this list would get very angry if they read every > > >word that Senator Milne has actually said about this bill > > >in the Senate. > > > > > >There is virtually no chance at all that this bill will > > >ever be amended to any significant degree. The government > > >will not allow any significant amendments. Look at how > > >this was ramrodded through the Senate. It will be the same > > >thing in the House. > > > > > >Why doesn't someone directly ask either Jeff Paul or > > >Senator Milne, "Exactly how much of an amendment will the > > >Government allow, before they withdraw their support for > > >this bill? Will they allow an "Opt Out" clause on future > > >censuses? Will they allow an ammendment that would > > >eliminate the 20 year period of time before full disclosure > > >of census data is allowed?" > > > > > >See if you get an honest answer to those specific > > >questions. > > > > > >They are at the heart of what is wrong with Bill S-13. I > > >will predict that you will never get an honest and direct > > >answer to those questions. If you do, you will be told > > >that no significant changes can be made to any of those > > >areas. But what I expect you will get are what we call, > > >"weasel words". Not a direct answer, but a lot of manure > > >about the legislative process, etc. > > > > > >Because I have been so outspoken about this bill, I have > > >been informed that at least one member of the Government > > >will no longer support my quest to resume my Canadian > > >Citizenship. So be it. It was my understanding that > > >Canada has freedom of speech. It sppears, that some people > > >in the Government do not really believe in the concept. > > > > > >I will not be stilled. Bill S-13 is a very bad bill. It > > >will restrict all of our access to Canadian Censuses during > > >our lifetimes. Unfortunately, it will virtually totally > > >cut our grandchildren and great-grandchildren off from all > > >Census data from 2006 onward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Lynton (Bill) Stewart > > >A former dual Canadian and U.S. Citizen, who's Canadian Citizenship was > > >automatically stripped away without any notice, due to the fact that I >was > > >born prior to 1947. My siblings born after that date get to resume their > > >Canadian Citizenship. I do not have that same right. > > > > > >Searching for Moore, McLennan, Peers, Stewart, Thompson in NS;. Black, > > >Foulds, Johnston and Stewart in MB; Provorse, Wright in ON, and Black, > > >Foulds & Stewart in SK & BC. > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > >Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > >en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > > [email protected] that contains > > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03