Hello everyone, I know we all have a sense of frustration with the federal government over the release of the post-1906 censuses but the negative reaction to the creation of the Canada History Centre has surprised me. We should applaud when the government turns any attention and money to preserving and promoting the history and heritage of our nation! Canada has a number of national museums--the Museum of Civilization, the Museum of Science and Technology, the Canadian War Museum, the National Gallery--which reflect the social, cultural and military history of Canada but none devoted our national life or political history. The Canada History Centre will provide a showcase close to Parliament for our founding documents (BNA Act, Constitution, Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms) and other treasures long hidden in the vaults of the National Archives and other cultural agencies. While many of us learned our political history in school, that is not so true of children today. Less history is taught in school than in the past and Canada receives immigrants from around the world who are not familiar with our traditions and heritage. The creation of the Canada History Centre, the building of a new home for the War Museum, and the merger of the National Archives and National Library, reflect a heightened awareness and interest in Canadian history and heritage on the part of the government which, in the long run, can only bode well for our campaign to have the post-1906 censuses released. We should build on this announcement! Cheers, Rob Fisher -----Original Message----- From: Lori Lauen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy Jean Chretien again wants to spend money that is of no use especially to the west. Each of us want to search our own ancestry. We learned the history in school! Lori >From: "Barb Marrs" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:46 -0600 > >YES He said it right on POLITICAL HISTORY ! ! ! > >I notice he did not mention the settlers of Canada, the ancestors of the >1600's who endured untold hard ships. > >As a descendant of many of those people this is the ultimate insult. > >What do we care about his political escapades? I want to find my >family! ! > >My grandmother left Canada to marry my grandfather in the US, leaving >behind 9 siblings. I have thousands of cousins, and they have been >counted. Still there is some unaccounted for. Without the census we >cannot find where they have moved to. I have a cousin who wrote a >wonderful book about the ones he spent years locating. What a joy it >has been to meet this extended family. However, there are gaps. The >census would help us to find these people. > >I grew up thinking of Canada as my second home; home away from home, >where a person is able to retreat to refresh and renew the tired spirit. > >Civic history - - - does this include knowing where our ancestors came >from, where they lived, what they did? > >This is an outrage. Let Chretien raise donations for his posterity, but >do not tax the people for a non essential expense. > >The outraged tax payers need to let it be known that this is not >acceptable use of tax payers' money. >The government does not have any money. The money is that of its >citizens. >Several hundred years ago we rose up in revolt time to do so again. >Barbara Marrs Idaho USA > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom G. & Rita Offer [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:46 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CCC] PM's Legacy > >Sounds as if Jean Chretien wants to build a memorial to himself. This >money >would be better used in the Health Care System. We DON'T need another >museum!!!!!!!! >Rita > >Ian Holmes wrote: > > > This just announced: > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > New museum highlights Canadian history > > To cost $90M and be built over five years > > > > Monday, May 26, 2003 > > OTTAWA (CP) -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien announced plans Monday for >a > > major new museum in the country's capital dedicated to political and > > civic history. > > > > The Canadian History Centre, which will cost $90 million over five > > years, will be housed in the city's former railway station, which has > > been used as a government conference centre in recent years. > > > > "Our political history is a rich one that needs to be told," Chretien > > said in announcing the project. "The Canada of today was determined by > > the will of its people and by the vision of the leaders they chose to > > represent them." > > > > He said the centre will make political history more accessible by > > arranging travelling exhibits, as well as using the Internet. > > > > It will draw on the resources of the National Library and the Public > > Archives of Canada, as well as other museums and collections. > > > > The museum will also highlight the important roles that aboriginals, > > settlers and immigrants played in creating and transforming the >country. > > > > It is expected the project will cost about $90 million, including $40 > > million for renovations to the building, which was built between 1909 > > and 1912. > > > > The centre joins the capital's other major museums, which include the > > Museum of Civilization, the Canadian War Museum, the Canadian Museum >of > > Nature, the Canadian Aviation Museum and the Canadian Science and > > Technology Museum. > > C Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I makes me sick to my stomach. > > > > While we, the ordinary people, are working so hard to persuade the > > politicians to make our history available to us 92 years after it was > > recorded, they go ahead and spent OUR money to distribute our rich > > political history. > > > > Where is the justice in this country? > > > > Ian Holmes > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. 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Greetings All. I was advised this afternoon that Bill S-13 - An act to amend the Statistics Act, completed third reading in the Senate today and has been referred to the House of Commons. It was passed in the Senate without amendment. As I write this the online Hansard record of the Senate debates has not yet been updated. This should be updated by tomorrow (Wednesday) and I will extract the debate on S-13 and post it to the Post 1901 Census Project website as soon as it is available. It is unfortunate that the Senators did not listen to our pleas for vital amendments to be made before passing the Bill. It is now more important than ever that all of us inform our MPs about the problems with conditions and restrictions imposed by Bill S-13 -- especially the need to remove Clause 8, the 'informed consent' clause that would forever destroy the 2006 and subsequent Censuses for any realistic research by historians and genealogists. This must be done NOW! Do not wait for others to do it for you. If we do nothing, Bill S-13 will be passed exactly as currently worded. This is something that I do not believe any one of us wants. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Thanks Malcolm. The phone number for future reference is 604-942-6889 Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Shaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: [CCC] This weeks editorial Dear Mr. Wilson-Smith: I read this week's THEEDITORSLETTER with great interest noting that you have done some research into your family's history. But did you know that playing out in the Canadian Senate is a situation concerning the release of the 1911 Census information to the public. Normally this should be released after 92 years but the bureaucrats are stonewalling this release. I have been watching what is happening as I am a family historian myself and somewhat perturbed that valuable information could be withheld from all family historians. In Vancouver Gordon Watts is the person behind the campaign to get unlimited access to all post-1901 Census information. Unfortunately I don't have a 'phone number for him but his e-mail address is [email protected] He would be very happy to talk to anyone about the problems encountered. Also you may wish to look at this website - www.globalgenealogy.com/Census This whole affair is quite a story and should be brought to all Macleans readers. Thank you for your co-operation. Yours truly Malcolm A.Shaw 1313 Lake Fraser Green S.E. Calgary, Alberta T2J 7H6

Dear List This is an example of flawed legislation being fixed after the fact by the lobbying of our normally very quiet friends, the librarians and archivists of this nation. This is the second round of amendments to meet their concerns following a massive over haul of Copyright law a few years ago. Lois Sparling joseph macdonald wrote: >Hi, > >Thought maybe this would be of interest. I've only did a fast reading of >it. I didn't notice any reference to the Statistics Act, but there sure >are a lot of Acts that have to be amended. It had it's second reading >today, and now has gone to the Standing Committee for study. > >http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-36/C-36_1/90219bE.html > >C-36 >Second Session, Thirty-seventh Parliament, >51-52 Elizabeth II, 2002-2003 >HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA >BILL C-36 >An Act to establish the Library and Archives of Canada, to amend the >Copyright Act and to amend certain Acts in consequence > >First reading, May 8, 2003 > >Regards >Juanita MacDonald > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ >en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > >

I like this idea, too. Ideally, each MP should get a personal visit with this material handed to them at the meeting. It would be the perfect tool to catch their attention and make your point in your likely brief allotted time with your MP. A sample page from the 1906 or 1901 census for his or her riding could be handed over, too, and used to explain how we and conventional historians use the census. These would be good additions to a press kit, too. Lois Sparling Wanda Sinclair wrote: >What about sending one sheet of paper with the following info, to all the MPs & senators: > >the front will enclude: > >an example of a family group sheet (include reference for census sources) and why in twenty years time, you will not be able to fill it out for your parents, grandparents or great-grandparents' siblings, with further info about the census debate. > >the back will enclude: > >5 generation pedigree chart, so that they might decide to get hook doing their own family history. > >WANDA SINCLAIR >Rexdale, Ontario > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to >[email protected] that contains >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > >

<snip>IF the funds for the "legacy" is taken from US -- there is no way Chretien's name should be attached <snip> AND Our present and future census should be made available to us as before 92 years after the fact. !!! The census is our legacy Carol (tweetybird) Home page:<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/> Visit my home page for "Home Children" information and other "world wide" links plus various passenger lists. Searching : Hart, Haslip, Jackson, Stevens, Little, Budge, Chipman, Welch, Russell, Johns & Glover ----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel M. Davidson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: [CCC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre Hello Freda:- I have copied your query to the Canada Census Campaign list -- somewhere there may be someone willing to answer this question -- a very good one! IF the funds for the "legacy" is taken from US -- there is no way Chretien's name should be attached -- our tax $$$$ are being diverted enough already. Muriel M. Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "Freda" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > I do hope the building that houses this institution will be located on the > west side of the Ottawa River, and that in no way will Mr. Chretien's name > be attached. Does this announcement mean that the NAC will no longer have > first dibs on historical records? > Freda Stewart > Calgary, Alberta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:36 AM > Subject: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > > To all:- > > Will OUR Canadian census records be stored within, without > > any restrictions? These records form the foundation of other > > facets of Canadian history. > > These records and NEW Sea-Kings would be really memorable! > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm > > > > ======================= > > > > Greeting All. > > > > This afternoon I received an interesting email from Ian Wilson, National > > Archivist of Canada. He advised me of an announcement by Prime > > Minister Jean Chrétien regarding the formation of a Canada History Centre. > > > > I have placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL > > following my signature, new pages in both English and French that > > contain the News Release, a Backgrounder, and a speech by the > > Prime Minister regarding the formation of this Centre. I would urge > > listers to have a look at these pages as there are a number of > > interesting comments in them. > > > > >From the News Release: > > > > "The role of this institution will be to increase accessibility of > all > > Canadians to their history." > > > > "The Canada History Centre will focus on those who have contributed > > to the building of Canada and the flourishing of our democracy." > > > > >From the Backgrounder: > > > > "The Canada History Centre will promote debate on Canada's history > > from diverse perspectives. It will focus on our leaders, statesmen > > and stateswomen and political processes and institutions as well > > as on grassroots organizations and people from all walks of life > > who have shaped Canada's distinct model of democracy and > governance." > > > > >From the speech of the Prime Minister: > > > > "This Centre will soon become the site of one of the most important > > meetings in its history: one between Canadians and their shared > > past." > > > > "Together Canadians have built a nation that is strong, prosperous > > and free. We must know the builders of our nation to sustain what > > their mind and hearts, their muscles and their blood, have created." > > > > "We must once again strengthen the ties that bind us together and > > the understanding of Canada that we share. Our past must be near > > us as we move into the future." > > > > "Listen carefully and you can hear echoes in this magnificent > building > > . ......... Echoes of immigrants arriving from Pier 21 in Halifax, > > some > > to stay, some to open up the Canadian West." > > > > "The Canada History Centre will bring to life the memories of men > > and women who, through their ideas, their vision and their actions, > > inscribed their names on the rolls of our history." > > > > "The new Canada History Centre will open a door to the great wealth > > of our history and our heritage........" > > > > I suspect that there are those among us that are willing to point out to > > the Prime Minister that while he and the Canada History Centre seek to > > promote the history and heritage of the people of Canada, Statistics > > Canada and the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 seek to do > > just the opposite. > > > > Happy Hunting. > > > > Gordon A. Watts [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > Port Coquitlam, BC > > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > Permission to forward without notice is granted. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I appreciate your reply but I guess my opinion differs in many ways. I feel this is bad timing for this to come out when so many are fighting for the right of their own ancestors. If anyone is interested in the Canadian history all one has to do is go to any public library and there are books upon books there free for all to read. I am sure all of us have family information but the census records just bring out more information and leads to something more. I have found so much information in the US census of my ancestors just reading the information from one census to another. I have come across information I would never have known otherwise and it leads to more questions and many of them I have had answered. With the 1906 census release I am able to read some on my husband's mother's side of the family. If the 1911 census were to come out I would have information on my husband's father's side and on my side as well. Without that I will not have that information. I am very suspicious as to why this announcement about the Canadian history and how important some people are to Canada came out now! I believe all of our ancestors that pioneered in Canada and went through all the hardships are what made Canada what it is today, not just a select few. Just my opinion. Lori >From: "Rob and Sheila" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:23:43 -0400 > >Hello everyone, > >I know we all have a sense of frustration with the federal government over >the release of the post-1906 censuses but the negative reaction to the >creation of the Canada History Centre has surprised me. We should applaud >when the government turns any attention and money to preserving and >promoting the history and heritage of our nation! > >Canada has a number of national museums--the Museum of Civilization, the >Museum of Science and Technology, the Canadian War Museum, the National >Gallery--which reflect the social, cultural and military history of Canada >but none devoted our national life or political history. The Canada >History >Centre will provide a showcase close to Parliament for our founding >documents (BNA Act, Constitution, Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms) and >other treasures long hidden in the vaults of the National Archives and >other >cultural agencies. While many of us learned our political history in >school, that is not so true of children today. Less history is taught in >school than in the past and Canada receives immigrants from around the >world >who are not familiar with our traditions and heritage. > >The creation of the Canada History Centre, the building of a new home for >the War Museum, and the merger of the National Archives and National >Library, reflect a heightened awareness and interest in Canadian history >and >heritage on the part of the government which, in the long run, can only >bode >well for our campaign to have the post-1906 censuses released. We should >build on this announcement! > >Cheers, >Rob Fisher > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lori Lauen [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:52 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy > > >Jean Chretien again wants to spend money that is of no use especially to >the >west. Each of us want to search our own ancestry. We learned the history >in school! > >Lori > > > >From: "Barb Marrs" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:46 -0600 > > > >YES He said it right on POLITICAL HISTORY ! ! ! > > > >I notice he did not mention the settlers of Canada, the ancestors of the > >1600's who endured untold hard ships. > > > >As a descendant of many of those people this is the ultimate insult. > > > >What do we care about his political escapades? I want to find my > >family! ! > > > >My grandmother left Canada to marry my grandfather in the US, leaving > >behind 9 siblings. I have thousands of cousins, and they have been > >counted. Still there is some unaccounted for. Without the census we > >cannot find where they have moved to. I have a cousin who wrote a > >wonderful book about the ones he spent years locating. What a joy it > >has been to meet this extended family. However, there are gaps. The > >census would help us to find these people. > > > >I grew up thinking of Canada as my second home; home away from home, > >where a person is able to retreat to refresh and renew the tired spirit. > > > >Civic history - - - does this include knowing where our ancestors came > >from, where they lived, what they did? > > > >This is an outrage. Let Chretien raise donations for his posterity, but > >do not tax the people for a non essential expense. > > > >The outraged tax payers need to let it be known that this is not > >acceptable use of tax payers' money. > >The government does not have any money. The money is that of its > >citizens. > >Several hundred years ago we rose up in revolt time to do so again. > >Barbara Marrs Idaho USA > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tom G. & Rita Offer [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:46 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [CCC] PM's Legacy > > > >Sounds as if Jean Chretien wants to build a memorial to himself. This > >money > >would be better used in the Health Care System. We DON'T need another > >museum!!!!!!!! > >Rita > > > >Ian Holmes wrote: > > > > > This just announced: > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > New museum highlights Canadian history > > > To cost $90M and be built over five years > > > > > > Monday, May 26, 2003 > > > OTTAWA (CP) -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien announced plans Monday for > >a > > > major new museum in the country's capital dedicated to political and > > > civic history. > > > > > > The Canadian History Centre, which will cost $90 million over five > > > years, will be housed in the city's former railway station, which has > > > been used as a government conference centre in recent years. > > > > > > "Our political history is a rich one that needs to be told," Chretien > > > said in announcing the project. "The Canada of today was determined by > > > the will of its people and by the vision of the leaders they chose to > > > represent them." > > > > > > He said the centre will make political history more accessible by > > > arranging travelling exhibits, as well as using the Internet. > > > > > > It will draw on the resources of the National Library and the Public > > > Archives of Canada, as well as other museums and collections. > > > > > > The museum will also highlight the important roles that aboriginals, > > > settlers and immigrants played in creating and transforming the > >country. > > > > > > It is expected the project will cost about $90 million, including $40 > > > million for renovations to the building, which was built between 1909 > > > and 1912. > > > > > > The centre joins the capital's other major museums, which include the > > > Museum of Civilization, the Canadian War Museum, the Canadian Museum > >of > > > Nature, the Canadian Aviation Museum and the Canadian Science and > > > Technology Museum. > > > C Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I makes me sick to my stomach. > > > > > > While we, the ordinary people, are working so hard to persuade the > > > politicians to make our history available to us 92 years after it was > > > recorded, they go ahead and spent OUR money to distribute our rich > > > political history. > > > > > > Where is the justice in this country? > > > > > > Ian Holmes > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. 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2nd Session, 37th Parliament, 51-52 Elizabeth II, 2002-2003 House of Commons of Canada BILL C-36 An Act to establish the Library and Archives of Canada, to amend the Copyright Act and to amend certain Acts in consequence Preamble WHEREAS it is necessary that (a) the documentary heritage of Canada be preserved for the benefit of present and future generations; ****COORDINATING AMENDMENTS **** Bill C-13 53. If Bill C-13, introduced in the 2nd session of the 37th Parliament and entitled the Assisted Human Reproduction Act (the ``other Act''), receives royal assent, then, on the later of the coming into force of section 1 of this Act and section 16 of the other Act, paragraph 16(4)(a) of the other Act is replaced by the following: (a) government institutions subject to the Privacy Act or the Library and Archives of Canada Act; or Carol (tweetybird) Home page:<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/> Visit my home page for "Home Children" information and other "world wide" links plus various passenger lists. Searching : Hart, Haslip, Jackson, Stevens, Little, Budge, Chipman, Welch, Russell, Johns & Glover --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Perhaps I should be more concise. The Canadian Alliance Party is on side with me. If Bill S-13 is not amended to meet my/our 3 concerns, then it should be defeated. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta Muriel M. Davidson wrote: >To all:- > >There have been letters from Canadian Alliance party members >that the party will NOT support Bill S-13 as presently written. > >I suggest "each one write to one" -- suggest an e-mail may be >easier than a written letter -- ask for support in having all >restrictions removed, as I did. > >Muriel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lois Sparling" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:18 PM >Subject: Re: [CCC] Bill S-13 > > > The Canadian Alliance are generally on side. The Progressive > Conservative party has a leadership change coming up (and little > presence in the House). Has anyone sounded out the Bloc Quebecois? >Genealogy is important in the French Canadian community. Even though > their ancestors were (generally) here long, long ago, we received > donations from two French language genealogy groups for Beatty et al. >And the NDP? > > Lois Sparling > Calgary, Alberta > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 > > >

Dear Eileen It was the law to release the 1906 census on 1998 but it was with held until earlier this year. The intention of Bill S-13 is to change the law. The trade-off was to restrict access to the 1911 and 1916 census for a further 20 years in exchange for a clear law allowing access to the 1921 to 2001 census. Unfortunately, "they" insisted on adding this opt in clause for any access to future census returns. I am told that "they" include powerful cabinet ministers who sincerely believe that they are protecting the privacy of Canadians. Whether "they" will allow the release of the 1911 census next week in light of the fact that Bill S-13 will not be passed into law in time to legally prevent its release remains to be seen. I'm planning on spending $5 on a formal Request for Information on the assumption that our elected leaders plan to order the National Archivist to hold back the 1911 census. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta [email protected] wrote: >After reading all the emails on the list, I am embarrassed to say I don't >understand what is going on. What is Bill S-13 trying to do? I am under the >impression that it is going to restrict access from the any future census, >because how can they not publish 1911 census when it is the law to do so after 92 >years? > >Thanks,Eileen > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to >[email protected] that contains >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > >

Dear Mr. Wilson-Smith: I read this week's THEEDITORSLETTER with great interest noting that you have done some research into your family's history. But did you know that playing out in the Canadian Senate is a situation concerning the release of the 1911 Census information to the public. Normally this should be released after 92 years but the bureaucrats are stonewalling this release. I have been watching what is happening as I am a family historian myself and somewhat perturbed that valuable information could be withheld from all family historians. In Vancouver Gordon Watts is the person behind the campaign to get unlimited access to all post-1901 Census information. Unfortunately I don't have a 'phone number for him but his e-mail address is [email protected] He would be very happy to talk to anyone about the problems encountered. Also you may wish to look at this website - www.globalgenealogy.com/Census This whole affair is quite a story and should be brought to all Macleans readers. Thank you for your co-operation. Yours truly Malcolm A.Shaw 1313 Lake Fraser Green S.E. Calgary, Alberta T2J 7H6

Hi Gordon; You did the right thing. I for one have been becoming more disgusted with these diatribes, to the point that I have though about unsubbing myself. However, I find that the majority of the listers offer some good constructive and informative comments. Incidentally I will be unsubbing for a few days due to a big house move. I will be back offering moral support if little else. Malcolm Shaw in Calgary, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > Greetings All > > For the information of all -- Lynton Stewart has been unsubbed from the CCC mail list and his email address has been placed on the reject list. > > This is the first time since the start of this mail list that I have had to take this action. I did not do so lightly and regret that I have found it necessary. > > I have had several private communications with Mr. Stewart requesting him to cease personalizing his messages and making personal attacks on anyone, in particular on or about Senator Lorna Milne. He was advised that should he make any further such postings that he would be unsubscribed. With his last post he obviously continues to personalize things, and he has been unsubbed. > > There may be those among the listers that disagree with my unsubbing Mr. Stewart but I have been more than lenient regarding his infractions of my main rule of this list -- NO FLAMES. If that disagreement causes any listers to unsubscribe themselves, that is regrettable but it will be the choice of those individuals. > > We all seek the same thing -- unrestricted access to all census records. We must continue to work together to seek that goal. > > No posts to the list regarding this message are necessary. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. Watts > List administrator. > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > [email protected] that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. >

Hi, Thought maybe this would be of interest. I've only did a fast reading of it. I didn't notice any reference to the Statistics Act, but there sure are a lot of Acts that have to be amended. It had it's second reading today, and now has gone to the Standing Committee for study. http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-36/C-36_1/90219bE.html C-36 Second Session, Thirty-seventh Parliament, 51-52 Elizabeth II, 2002-2003 HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA BILL C-36 An Act to establish the Library and Archives of Canada, to amend the Copyright Act and to amend certain Acts in consequence First reading, May 8, 2003 Regards Juanita MacDonald

Could someone send the url for her report I'd like to read it. Dan Walker

Just a test are my posts getting through?

Can someone give me the url for Senator Milne's report again. "Muriel M. Davidson" wrote: > Hello Freda:- > > I have copied your query to the Canada Census Campaign list -- > somewhere there may be someone willing to answer this > question -- a very good one! > > IF the funds for the "legacy" is taken from US -- there is no way > Chretien's name should be attached -- our tax $$$$ are being > diverted enough already. > > Muriel M. Davidson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Freda" <[email protected]> > To: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Cc: "Freda" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > I do hope the building that houses this institution will be located on the > > west side of the Ottawa River, and that in no way will Mr. Chretien's name > > be attached. Does this announcement mean that the NAC will no longer have > > first dibs on historical records? > > Freda Stewart > > Calgary, Alberta > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:36 AM > > Subject: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > > > > > To all:- > > > Will OUR Canadian census records be stored within, without > > > any restrictions? These records form the foundation of other > > > facets of Canadian history. > > > These records and NEW Sea-Kings would be really memorable! > > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > > 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > Greeting All. > > > > > > This afternoon I received an interesting email from Ian Wilson, > National > > > Archivist of Canada. He advised me of an announcement by Prime > > > Minister Jean Chrétien regarding the formation of a Canada History > Centre. > > > > > > I have placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL > > > following my signature, new pages in both English and French that > > > contain the News Release, a Backgrounder, and a speech by the > > > Prime Minister regarding the formation of this Centre. I would urge > > > listers to have a look at these pages as there are a number of > > > interesting comments in them. > > > > > > >From the News Release: > > > > > > "The role of this institution will be to increase accessibility of > > all > > > Canadians to their history." > > > > > > "The Canada History Centre will focus on those who have contributed > > > to the building of Canada and the flourishing of our democracy." > > > > > > >From the Backgrounder: > > > > > > "The Canada History Centre will promote debate on Canada's history > > > from diverse perspectives. It will focus on our leaders, statesmen > > > and stateswomen and political processes and institutions as well > > > as on grassroots organizations and people from all walks of life > > > who have shaped Canada's distinct model of democracy and > > governance." > > > > > > >From the speech of the Prime Minister: > > > > > > "This Centre will soon become the site of one of the most important > > > meetings in its history: one between Canadians and their shared > > > past." > > > > > > "Together Canadians have built a nation that is strong, prosperous > > > and free. We must know the builders of our nation to sustain what > > > their mind and hearts, their muscles and their blood, have > created." > > > > > > "We must once again strengthen the ties that bind us together and > > > the understanding of Canada that we share. Our past must be near > > > us as we move into the future." > > > > > > "Listen carefully and you can hear echoes in this magnificent > > building > > > . ......... Echoes of immigrants arriving from Pier 21 in > Halifax, > > > some > > > to stay, some to open up the Canadian West." > > > > > > "The Canada History Centre will bring to life the memories of men > > > and women who, through their ideas, their vision and their > actions, > > > inscribed their names on the rolls of our history." > > > > > > "The new Canada History Centre will open a door to the great wealth > > > of our history and our heritage........" > > > > > > I suspect that there are those among us that are willing to point out > to > > > the Prime Minister that while he and the Canada History Centre seek to > > > promote the history and heritage of the people of Canada, Statistics > > > Canada and the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 seek to do > > > just the opposite. > > > > > > Happy Hunting. > > > > > > Gordon A. Watts [email protected] > > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > > Port Coquitlam, BC > > > > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > > > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > > Permission to forward without notice is granted. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Jean Chretien again wants to spend money that is of no use especially to the west. Each of us want to search our own ancestry. We learned the history in school! Lori >From: "Barb Marrs" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:46 -0600 > >YES He said it right on POLITICAL HISTORY ! ! ! > >I notice he did not mention the settlers of Canada, the ancestors of the >1600's who endured untold hard ships. > >As a descendant of many of those people this is the ultimate insult. > >What do we care about his political escapades? I want to find my >family! ! > >My grandmother left Canada to marry my grandfather in the US, leaving >behind 9 siblings. I have thousands of cousins, and they have been >counted. Still there is some unaccounted for. Without the census we >cannot find where they have moved to. I have a cousin who wrote a >wonderful book about the ones he spent years locating. What a joy it >has been to meet this extended family. However, there are gaps. The >census would help us to find these people. > >I grew up thinking of Canada as my second home; home away from home, >where a person is able to retreat to refresh and renew the tired spirit. > >Civic history - - - does this include knowing where our ancestors came >from, where they lived, what they did? > >This is an outrage. Let Chretien raise donations for his posterity, but >do not tax the people for a non essential expense. > >The outraged tax payers need to let it be known that this is not >acceptable use of tax payers' money. >The government does not have any money. The money is that of its >citizens. >Several hundred years ago we rose up in revolt time to do so again. >Barbara Marrs Idaho USA > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom G. & Rita Offer [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:46 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CCC] PM's Legacy > >Sounds as if Jean Chretien wants to build a memorial to himself. This >money >would be better used in the Health Care System. We DON'T need another >museum!!!!!!!! >Rita > >Ian Holmes wrote: > > > This just announced: > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > New museum highlights Canadian history > > To cost $90M and be built over five years > > > > Monday, May 26, 2003 > > OTTAWA (CP) -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien announced plans Monday for >a > > major new museum in the country's capital dedicated to political and > > civic history. > > > > The Canadian History Centre, which will cost $90 million over five > > years, will be housed in the city's former railway station, which has > > been used as a government conference centre in recent years. > > > > "Our political history is a rich one that needs to be told," Chretien > > said in announcing the project. "The Canada of today was determined by > > the will of its people and by the vision of the leaders they chose to > > represent them." > > > > He said the centre will make political history more accessible by > > arranging travelling exhibits, as well as using the Internet. > > > > It will draw on the resources of the National Library and the Public > > Archives of Canada, as well as other museums and collections. > > > > The museum will also highlight the important roles that aboriginals, > > settlers and immigrants played in creating and transforming the >country. > > > > It is expected the project will cost about $90 million, including $40 > > million for renovations to the building, which was built between 1909 > > and 1912. > > > > The centre joins the capital's other major museums, which include the > > Museum of Civilization, the Canadian War Museum, the Canadian Museum >of > > Nature, the Canadian Aviation Museum and the Canadian Science and > > Technology Museum. > > C Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I makes me sick to my stomach. > > > > While we, the ordinary people, are working so hard to persuade the > > politicians to make our history available to us 92 years after it was > > recorded, they go ahead and spent OUR money to distribute our rich > > political history. > > > > Where is the justice in this country? > > > > Ian Holmes > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. 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Hello Freda:- I have copied your query to the Canada Census Campaign list -- somewhere there may be someone willing to answer this question -- a very good one! IF the funds for the "legacy" is taken from US -- there is no way Chretien's name should be attached -- our tax $$$$ are being diverted enough already. Muriel M. Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "Freda" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > I do hope the building that houses this institution will be located on the > west side of the Ottawa River, and that in no way will Mr. Chretien's name > be attached. Does this announcement mean that the NAC will no longer have > first dibs on historical records? > Freda Stewart > Calgary, Alberta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:36 AM > Subject: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > > To all:- > > Will OUR Canadian census records be stored within, without > > any restrictions? These records form the foundation of other > > facets of Canadian history. > > These records and NEW Sea-Kings would be really memorable! > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm > > > > ======================= > > > > Greeting All. > > > > This afternoon I received an interesting email from Ian Wilson, National > > Archivist of Canada. He advised me of an announcement by Prime > > Minister Jean Chrétien regarding the formation of a Canada History Centre. > > > > I have placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL > > following my signature, new pages in both English and French that > > contain the News Release, a Backgrounder, and a speech by the > > Prime Minister regarding the formation of this Centre. I would urge > > listers to have a look at these pages as there are a number of > > interesting comments in them. > > > > >From the News Release: > > > > "The role of this institution will be to increase accessibility of > all > > Canadians to their history." > > > > "The Canada History Centre will focus on those who have contributed > > to the building of Canada and the flourishing of our democracy." > > > > >From the Backgrounder: > > > > "The Canada History Centre will promote debate on Canada's history > > from diverse perspectives. It will focus on our leaders, statesmen > > and stateswomen and political processes and institutions as well > > as on grassroots organizations and people from all walks of life > > who have shaped Canada's distinct model of democracy and > governance." > > > > >From the speech of the Prime Minister: > > > > "This Centre will soon become the site of one of the most important > > meetings in its history: one between Canadians and their shared > > past." > > > > "Together Canadians have built a nation that is strong, prosperous > > and free. We must know the builders of our nation to sustain what > > their mind and hearts, their muscles and their blood, have created." > > > > "We must once again strengthen the ties that bind us together and > > the understanding of Canada that we share. Our past must be near > > us as we move into the future." > > > > "Listen carefully and you can hear echoes in this magnificent > building > > . ......... Echoes of immigrants arriving from Pier 21 in Halifax, > > some > > to stay, some to open up the Canadian West." > > > > "The Canada History Centre will bring to life the memories of men > > and women who, through their ideas, their vision and their actions, > > inscribed their names on the rolls of our history." > > > > "The new Canada History Centre will open a door to the great wealth > > of our history and our heritage........" > > > > I suspect that there are those among us that are willing to point out to > > the Prime Minister that while he and the Canada History Centre seek to > > promote the history and heritage of the people of Canada, Statistics > > Canada and the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 seek to do > > just the opposite. > > > > Happy Hunting. > > > > Gordon A. Watts [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > Port Coquitlam, BC > > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > Permission to forward without notice is granted. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

What is the URL for Senator Milne's speech again please. Sounds like I need to read this more closely. Dan