I'm sorry to see that Bill Stewart has been removed from the List. Of all the arguments expressed by many people on the subject of Bill S-13, his were the the most coherent and logical, and he was one of the few people who made any sense. He reminded me of the little boy who had the temerity to exclaim that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes. I urge everyone to read again the exact wording of Bill S-13, An Act to amend the Statistics Act. You will find no mention of "tombstone information", or short forms or long forms. There is no mention of opt-in or opt-out checkboxes either. These topics are mentioned in Senator Milne's presentation of the bill to the Senate, but the actual words of the bill itself say something different. I can see in the words of the bill that an additional 20 years are to be added to the 92 years of waiting before the census data will be released, making a total of 112 years. Anyone wishing to examine the census in those last 20 years must first demonstrate that his "historical research project" has some public and scientific value. The approval of the project will be by persons to be determined later, and the applicant will be required to sign an undertaking "in the form prescribed by regulation", whatever that means. Do not assume anything is in this bill unless it is written there, and think carefully about what it does say. This bill does absolutely nothing for genealogy and to call it "flawed" is to be charitable. In the words of Lynton Stewart, anyone who supports this bill should be ashamed. David Rowat

Eileen. You did not misunderstand what I said. One way or another I expect the records to be released after 92 years. The deadline for the 1911 records is 1 June 2003, however the records might not be available until the end of the year. The ONLY ambiguity was the refusal of the Chief Statistician, Ivan P. Fellegi, to turn the records over to the National Archivist for subsequent public access in accordance with the Privacy Act and Regulation 6(d). Some time before Bill S-13 was brought down I called upon Industry Minister Allan Rock to compell Fellegi to obey the laws of Canada. I received no answer. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [CCC] Bill S-13 Gordon: Thank you for the explanation. So what we have is actually two fights on our hands. The release of the 1911 census and restrictions being placed on all future census. Awhile back I emailed you with my concerns that I might not live long enough to see the 1911 census, if it is delayed. Can't remember your exact words but you were kind enough to let me know the 1911 census would be released after 92 years. Did I misunderstand? What are some of the legal ambiguities regarding the transfer of census records to the NA? How unfortunate for the future historians, not to be able to access the census, that is a disaster. If this person, Fuggilio (can't remember the correct spelling) the Chief Statistician is breaking the law by not releasing the census, I would think that every Canadian on the list would demand his resignation. They pay him to do his job. Am I wrong. Thanks again, Eileen ______________________________

Nat. This afternoon, Bill S-13 passed third reading in the Senate without amendment and was referred to the House of Commons with all of it's conditions and restrictions. We need to immediately contact the MPs to impress upon them the need for amendments to the Bill. Check the Post 1901 Census Project website for the information relating to Bill S-13 and information on how to submit an Access to Information request for the 1911 Census as soon as the 1 June deadline passes. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: [CCC] Nat Pops His Head Out Hello, I know that I've been on this list for a while, but I am shocked and a bit confused at what is going on. I have been busy lately with other things in my life, and havent had the time to concentrate on the subject at hand as much as I would like. So can I ask Gordon or Muriel to please explain to me, either on the list or privately where we are right now, what the problems are with the gov't and also what the problems are within this group, opinions, differing views and so on. Also I would ask anyone else to please let me know, as I would be very interested. Thank you Nathaniel Smith Halifax, Nova Scotia ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at http://globalgazette.net

For any such action to take place there are certain procedures that must take place. The first step is to submit Access to Information requests to Statistics Canada for access to the 1911 Census. If you have been reading the posts I have already suggested that step be taken as soon as the 1 June deadline is passed. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [CCC] Post 1901 Census Once the 92-year deadline is met in June, and there is no 1911 census release, wouldn't that be an appropriate time to take legal action while those in Ottawa continue to fiddle? Nancy ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at http://globalgazette.net

David As you urge others to "read again the exact wording of Bill S-13" so would I urge you to do likewise. You are mistaken in stating that "an additional 20 years are to be added to the 92 years of waiting before the census data will be released, making a total of 112 years". For genealogists or historians willing to commit to the "undertaking" the records will be accessible, without restriction, "starting 92 years after the Census is taken". It is not ACCESS to the records that is restricted for the additional twenty years. You will have full access to the records. What is restricted is a portion of the information gleaned from Census that MAY NOT BE DISCOSED to other persons. So you cannot DISCLOSE part of that information to others -- simply tell them where to find it instead. Clause (7) states that for Censuses between 1910 and 2003, after 112 years ANYONE may access the records, whether they be a genealogist, historian, race-horse jockey, plumber, or whatever. You are correct that Bill S-13 does not refer to "tombstone information" -- that is a term that was used by Industry Minister Allan Rock (?) in a partial "backgrounder" released to the press along with the press release announcing the bringing down of Bill S-13. It is a term that was used by Ivan Fellegi in testimony before the Senate Committee. It is a poor term, but it is not one that was coined by us. S-13 does not refer to check boxes nor does it refer to 'informed consent'. These are merely 'shorthand' references to Clause (8) that states "The information contained in the returns of any census of population taken in 2006 or later may, starting ninety-two years after the census is taken, be examined by anyone if the person to whom the information relates had, at the time of the census, given their consent to disclosure of that information." Clause 8 is, in fact, an 'informed consent' clause and such clauses on forms are typically accompanied by yes or no check boxes, or a place for a signature. Genealogists wishing to access the records after 92 years are NOT subject to approval by anyone. That provision affects only persons wishing to "conduct historical research". I do not know of anyone who approves of Bill S-13 AS CURRENTLY WORDED, with all the conditions and restrictions it imposes. If you beleive that we who have been leading the Census campaign like S-13 as it is presently worded you have missed reading a great many posts on this list. From the time S-13 was brought down I have urged listers to contact their elected and appointed parliamentarians to voice their objections to the conditions and restrictions impose by the Bill. I have urged all listers to ask the parliamentarians to propose and support amendments to remove those conditions and restrictions. It is all well and good to complain about the Bill on the list, and that is part of the purpose of the CCC list, but you must also make your complaints know to the politicians. I have stated many times that IF WE DO NOTHING, BILL S-13 WILL PASS EXACTLY AS WORDED, WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS INTACT. I have been doing everything I can to see changes made to the Bill. Have you? Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rowat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: [CCC] Lynton Stewart I'm sorry to see that Bill Stewart has been removed from the List. Of all the arguments expressed by many people on the subject of Bill S-13, his were the the most coherent and logical, and he was one of the few people who made any sense. He reminded me of the little boy who had the temerity to exclaim that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes. I urge everyone to read again the exact wording of Bill S-13, An Act to amend the Statistics Act. You will find no mention of "tombstone information", or short forms or long forms. There is no mention of opt-in or opt-out checkboxes either. These topics are mentioned in Senator Milne's presentation of the bill to the Senate, but the actual words of the bill itself say something different. I can see in the words of the bill that an additional 20 years are to be added to the 92 years of waiting before the census data will be released, making a total of 112 years. Anyone wishing to examine the census in those last 20 years must first demonstrate that his "historical research project" has some public and scientific value. The approval of the project will be by persons to be determined later, and the applicant will be required to sign an undertaking "in the form prescribed by regulation", whatever that means. Do not assume anything is in this bill unless it is written there, and think carefully about what it does say. This bill does absolutely nothing for genealogy and to call it "flawed" is to be charitable. In the words of Lynton Stewart, anyone who supports this bill should be ashamed. David Rowat ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at http://globalgazette.net

Hi Gordon and Muriel, Well I must say that this certainly stinks! All the while that they have pushed Senator Milne aside and given grief to many over this issue for the Census, They decide to come out with a Canada History Centre. Sounds like a money maker to me. What odds that you will be able to access the previous Census Material at a dollar's moment yet, the fight for release has been on for so long now. My thoughts are that someone told them that they could make mega bucks on Genealogy and so now, why certainly, it just could fit in with the laws, rights and respect of those that built our Country to what it is today. I am sorry for such a harsh opinon however, this is the first thing that comes to my mind. Since joining this Site and fight for Release of Census Material, never once has this new Canada History Centre come to light. They are working on the side lines and yup, I am ticked here. Better go before I get myself in do-do.... :o) Lori-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: Canada Census Campaign Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre Greeting All. This afternoon I received an interesting email from Ian Wilson, National Archivist of Canada. He advised me of an announcement by Prime Minister Jean Chrétien regarding the formation of a Canada History Centre. I have placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL following my signature, new pages in both English and French that contain the News Release, a Backgrounder, and a speech by the Prime Minister regarding the formation of this Centre. I would urge listers to have a look at these pages as there are a number of interesting comments in them. From the News Release: "The role of this institution will be to increase accessibility of all Canadians to their history." "The Canada History Centre will focus on those who have contributed to the building of Canada and the flourishing of our democracy." From the Backgrounder: "The Canada History Centre will promote debate on Canada's history from diverse perspectives. It will focus on our leaders, statesmen and stateswomen and political processes and institutions as well as on grassroots organizations and people from all walks of life who have shaped Canada's distinct model of democracy and governance." From the speech of the Prime Minister: "This Centre will soon become the site of one of the most important meetings in its history: one between Canadians and their shared past." "Together Canadians have built a nation that is strong, prosperous and free. We must know the builders of our nation to sustain what their mind and hearts, their muscles and their blood, have created." "We must once again strengthen the ties that bind us together and the understanding of Canada that we share. Our past must be near us as we move into the future." "Listen carefully and you can hear echoes in this magnificent building. ......... Echoes of immigrants arriving from Pier 21 in Halifax, some to stay, some to open up the Canadian West." "The Canada History Centre will bring to life the memories of men and women who, through their ideas, their vision and their actions, inscribed their names on the rolls of our history." "The new Canada History Centre will open a door to the great wealth of our history and our heritage........" I suspect that there are those among us that are willing to point out to the Prime Minister that while he and the Canada History Centre seek to promote the history and heritage of the people of Canada, Statistics Canada and the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 seek to do just the opposite. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Once the 92-year deadline is met in June, and there is no 1911 census release, wouldn’t that be an appropriate time to take legal action while those in Ottawa continue to fiddle? Nancy

On Tue, 27 May 2003 18:30:40 -0600, "Malcolm Shaw" wrote: ... I for one have been becoming more disgusted with these diatribes.... If anyone is tired of diatribes by certain listers, I respectfully suggest using the DELETE key or blocking that member's email address from your email. One of members of this list continually bombards various provincial lists with diatribes about the census and other pet concerns. I have simply blocked the email address. Nancy

A page of the 1901 or 1906 census from the MP's home riding would be much easier than finding grandparents. Looked in the High River Times online newspaper images just now and didn't see any mention of the census around the end of June 1906. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Sparling" > I like this idea, too. Ideally, each MP should get a personal visit > with this material handed to them at the meeting. It would be the > perfect tool to catch their attention and make your point in your likely > brief allotted time with your MP. A sample page from the 1906 or 1901 > census for his or her riding could be handed over, too, and used to > explain how we and conventional historians use the census. These would > be good additions to a press kit, too.

It seems to me that Gordon summed up very succinctly the “party line” of this list in his post: A few realities, Thu, 22 May 2003 22:25:52 –0700. In that post, he sums up the current issues surrounding S-13 and advocates pursuing amendments. You can read the various posts in the archives to get a sense of the issues and differing points of view. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN/ Nancy

To all:- Let's turn our attention away from the Senate and towards the House of Commons. We should study the Members of Parliament Scoreboards to see if OUR elected politician might or might not be on our side. The Members of Parliament scoreboard may be accessed at two sites:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm and http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm The numbers will be the same - thanks to Bryan Keddy!! We find there are 186 SUPPORTIVE -- but check the personal message centre at the left -- was it 2000, 2001, 2002 or NOW? Were the MPs supportive of Bill S-13 or other bills or motions? There are only TWO against census release -- again check dates, as I will be contacting these two gentlemen! The picket fence should have a paint job -- with 58 UNDECIDED Members of Parliament dangling his or her feet -- not knowing whether to say YES or NO. Ontario has 28 "who are still thinking" and Quebec has 19 of a total of 58 -- TOO MANY! Then we come to the last category - the NO REPLY one -- many of these boast of the "Honourable" title, yet some have answered -- there are 10 in Ontario and a whopping 35 in Quebec out of a total of 53. To date we have not heard from one newly-elected PC Member of Parliament in Ontario -- his surname has not yet been posted on the official list. There are also TWO by-elections to be held in the province of Quebec, and this will bring totals up to 301. Hand-deliver your letter (in presence of another, if possible), keep a copy - forward same to me -- I file these and Gordon posts them. Gordon also has fax facilities. Make your letters PERSONAL - forget about the history building, we are talking CENSUS -- which we request released WITHOUT any restrictions. Request YOUR Member of Parliament to vote to REMOVE restrictions which would likely be presented by way of amendments. Above all, Canadians (and Americans) desire a Free Vote -- letting YOUR elected Member of Parliament speak for YOU. Your full address must be on the letter -- postage is FREE in Canada, but you could gently suggest "a reply by e-mail would be acceptable if this would assist the office staff". Bill S-13 will arrive in the House of Commons after voting in the Senate, so Be Prepared! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

On Tue, 27 May 2003 17:44:47 -0400, Dan Walker wrote: > > Could someone send the url for her report I'd like to read it. > > Dan Walker This is it. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70.htm Senator Milne stated: “The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology has recommended that this bill be passed without amendment. I urge honourable senators to do exactly that and without delay.” They've won. Apparently on this list, we can write kudos for Parliamentarians who agree with our “party line” of this list, but cannot criticize those elected officials who don’t. It has been my impression that we are supposed to look up to "that person" as a standard-bearer of the genealogy community. I cannot do that. Nancy

Hi everyone I have just been catching up on my emails today and after reading much of what has happened today, it almost makes me glad that as a Canadian citizen, I am luckily living in the United States where my money can't be used for this unnecessary building while Health Care for many including my mother and cousins takes a back seat. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Lori Lauen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy Jean Chretien again wants to spend money that is of no use especially to the west. Each of us want to search our own ancestry. We learned the history in school! Lori >From: "Barb Marrs" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [CCC] PM's Legacy >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:46 -0600 > >YES He said it right on POLITICAL HISTORY ! ! ! > >I notice he did not mention the settlers of Canada, the ancestors of the >1600's who endured untold hard ships. > >As a descendant of many of those people this is the ultimate insult. > >What do we care about his political escapades? I want to find my >family! ! > >My grandmother left Canada to marry my grandfather in the US, leaving >behind 9 siblings. I have thousands of cousins, and they have been >counted. Still there is some unaccounted for. Without the census we >cannot find where they have moved to. I have a cousin who wrote a >wonderful book about the ones he spent years locating. What a joy it >has been to meet this extended family. However, there are gaps. The >census would help us to find these people. > >I grew up thinking of Canada as my second home; home away from home, >where a person is able to retreat to refresh and renew the tired spirit. > >Civic history - - - does this include knowing where our ancestors came >from, where they lived, what they did? > >This is an outrage. Let Chretien raise donations for his posterity, but >do not tax the people for a non essential expense. > >The outraged tax payers need to let it be known that this is not >acceptable use of tax payers' money. >The government does not have any money. The money is that of its >citizens. >Several hundred years ago we rose up in revolt time to do so again. >Barbara Marrs Idaho USA > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom G. & Rita Offer [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:46 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CCC] PM's Legacy > >Sounds as if Jean Chretien wants to build a memorial to himself. This >money >would be better used in the Health Care System. We DON'T need another >museum!!!!!!!! >Rita > >Ian Holmes wrote: > > > This just announced: > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > New museum highlights Canadian history > > To cost $90M and be built over five years > > > > Monday, May 26, 2003 > > OTTAWA (CP) -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien announced plans Monday for >a > > major new museum in the country's capital dedicated to political and > > civic history. > > > > The Canadian History Centre, which will cost $90 million over five > > years, will be housed in the city's former railway station, which has > > been used as a government conference centre in recent years. > > > > "Our political history is a rich one that needs to be told," Chretien > > said in announcing the project. "The Canada of today was determined by > > the will of its people and by the vision of the leaders they chose to > > represent them." > > > > He said the centre will make political history more accessible by > > arranging travelling exhibits, as well as using the Internet. > > > > It will draw on the resources of the National Library and the Public > > Archives of Canada, as well as other museums and collections. > > > > The museum will also highlight the important roles that aboriginals, > > settlers and immigrants played in creating and transforming the >country. > > > > It is expected the project will cost about $90 million, including $40 > > million for renovations to the building, which was built between 1909 > > and 1912. > > > > The centre joins the capital's other major museums, which include the > > Museum of Civilization, the Canadian War Museum, the Canadian Museum >of > > Nature, the Canadian Aviation Museum and the Canadian Science and > > Technology Museum. > > C Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I makes me sick to my stomach. > > > > While we, the ordinary people, are working so hard to persuade the > > politicians to make our history available to us 92 years after it was > > recorded, they go ahead and spent OUR money to distribute our rich > > political history. > > > > Where is the justice in this country? > > > > Ian Holmes > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. 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To the many who answered my question Thanks After reading all that legal jargon earlier my fuddled brain just refused to work anymore. Carol (tweetybird) Home page:<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/> Visit my home page for "Home Children" information and other "world wide" links plus various passenger lists. Searching : Hart, Haslip, Jackson, Stevens, Little, Budge, Chipman, Welch, Russell, Johns & Glover --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Lois I also think that the first page should also include, that the following government agencies or societies, also use the census as documentary proof: Register General for Vital Statistics - if no birth certificate exist (especially use for Old Age Pension) Probate - establishing heirs for estate files Cemetery Tribunals for Closing - establishing descendants of burial interments United Empire Loyalist Association - establishing proof of descendant Mayflower Society - establishing proof of descendant Daughter's & Son's of the America Revolution - establishing proof ofdescendant Maybe there are other legal president that also make use of the historical census, that we do not know about, of which might effect their decisions in other laws? WANDA SINCLAIR Rexdale, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Sparling" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Post Census 1906 > I like this idea, too. Ideally, each MP should get a personal visit > with this material handed to them at the meeting. It would be the > perfect tool to catch their attention and make your point in your likely > brief allotted time with your MP. A sample page from the 1906 or 1901 > census for his or her riding could be handed over, too, and used to > explain how we and conventional historians use the census. These would > be good additions to a press kit, too. > > Lois Sparling > > Wanda Sinclair wrote: > > >What about sending one sheet of paper with the following info, to all the MPs & senators: > > > >the front will enclude: > > > >an example of a family group sheet (include reference for census sources) and why in twenty years time, you will not be able to fill it out for your parents, grandparents or great-grandparents' siblings, with further info about the census debate. > > > >the back will enclude: > > > >5 generation pedigree chart, so that they might decide to get hook doing their own family history. > > > >WANDA SINCLAIR > >Rexdale, Ontario > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > >[email protected] that contains > >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to > [email protected] that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

I wouldn't mind doing one of them just to show them without the census what they are missing. Include copies of census and other documents for them. It could possibly wake them up. Dan Walker "Muriel M. Davidson" wrote: > Terrific idea, Rob! > > The LDS Genealogy Centres have excellent records -- and > very likely would be willing to assist. This evening, it was > announced a new List Administrator was needed, preferably > a Canadian and member of the church. > > Senator Milne has her ancestral charts completed, except for the > one or two missing family members. > Murray Calder, MP learned how fascinating genealogy could be > when his mother showed him it was more interesting than reading > farm magazines. > There are many more -- who would like to pursue family histories > of several of the most negative Senators? > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > Brampton, ON > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/nscensus.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Hello again, > > On a more constructive note, and this may be beyond our resources, but why > not convert those Senators and MPs opposed to the release of the census by > FINDING their GRANDPARENTS in the 1901 census on-line, and thereby > demonstrating how little an invasion of privacy making censuses available > actually is, and the tremendous emotional rewards that can be reaped by > having them available for future generations? > > Just thinking out loud... > > Cheers, > Rob Fisher > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hello Dan:- In Senator Lorna Milne's speech, she emphasized how much Canadians would be missing if we did not know the family history of one long-serving and great politician, Senator Lowell Murray. Read through the various speeches, pick out the names of the various Senators, plus Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi -- I feel these family histories could be an asset to the proposed new history building. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Walker" <[email protected]> To: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [CCC] Converting MPs and Senators to our cause > I wouldn't mind doing one of them just to show them without the census what > they are missing. Include copies of census and other documents for them. It > could possibly wake them up. > > Dan Walker > > "Muriel M. Davidson" wrote: > > > Terrific idea, Rob! > > > > The LDS Genealogy Centres have excellent records -- and > > very likely would be willing to assist. This evening, it was > > announced a new List Administrator was needed, preferably > > a Canadian and member of the church. > > > > Senator Milne has her ancestral charts completed, except for the > > one or two missing family members. > > Murray Calder, MP learned how fascinating genealogy could be > > when his mother showed him it was more interesting than reading > > farm magazines. > > There are many more -- who would like to pursue family histories > > of several of the most negative Senators? > > > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > Brampton, ON > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/nscensus.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Hello again, > > > > On a more constructive note, and this may be beyond our resources, but why > > not convert those Senators and MPs opposed to the release of the census by > > FINDING their GRANDPARENTS in the 1901 census on-line, and thereby > > demonstrating how little an invasion of privacy making censuses available > > actually is, and the tremendous emotional rewards that can be reaped by > > having them available for future generations? > > > > Just thinking out loud... > > > > Cheers, > > Rob Fisher --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Terrific idea, Rob! The LDS Genealogy Centres have excellent records -- and very likely would be willing to assist. This evening, it was announced a new List Administrator was needed, preferably a Canadian and member of the church. Senator Milne has her ancestral charts completed, except for the one or two missing family members. Murray Calder, MP learned how fascinating genealogy could be when his mother showed him it was more interesting than reading farm magazines. There are many more -- who would like to pursue family histories of several of the most negative Senators? Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/nscensus.html ----- Original Message ----- Hello again, On a more constructive note, and this may be beyond our resources, but why not convert those Senators and MPs opposed to the release of the census by FINDING their GRANDPARENTS in the 1901 census on-line, and thereby demonstrating how little an invasion of privacy making censuses available actually is, and the tremendous emotional rewards that can be reaped by having them available for future generations? Just thinking out loud... Cheers, Rob Fisher --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Gordon: Thank you for the explanation. So what we have is actually two fights on our hands. The release of the 1911 census and restrictions being placed on all future census. Awhile back I emailed you with my concerns that I might not live long enough to see the 1911 census, if it is delayed. Can't remember your exact words but you were kind enough to let me know the 1911 census would be released after 92 years. Did I misunderstand? What are some of the legal ambiguities regarding the transfer of census records to the NA? How unfortunate for the future historians, not to be able to access the census, that is a disaster. If this person, Fuggilio (can't remember the correct spelling) the Chief Statistician is breaking the law by not releasing the census, I would think that every Canadian on the list would demand his resignation. They pay him to do his job. Am I wrong. Thanks again, Eileen

Hello again, On a more constructive note, and this may be beyond our resources, but why not convert those Senators and MPs opposed to the release of the census by FINDING their GRANDPARENTS in the 1901 census on-line, and thereby demonstrating how little an invasion of privacy making censuses available actually is, and the tremendous emotional rewards that can be reaped by having them available for future generations? Just thinking out loud... Cheers, Rob Fisher -----Original Message----- From: Tweetybird [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CCC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre <snip>IF the funds for the "legacy" is taken from US -- there is no way Chretien's name should be attached <snip> AND Our present and future census should be made available to us as before 92 years after the fact. !!! The census is our legacy Carol (tweetybird) Home page:<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/> Visit my home page for "Home Children" information and other "world wide" links plus various passenger lists. Searching : Hart, Haslip, Jackson, Stevens, Little, Budge, Chipman, Welch, Russell, Johns & Glover ----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel M. Davidson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: [CCC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre Hello Freda:- I have copied your query to the Canada Census Campaign list -- somewhere there may be someone willing to answer this question -- a very good one! IF the funds for the "legacy" is taken from US -- there is no way Chretien's name should be attached -- our tax $$$$ are being diverted enough already. Muriel M. Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "Freda" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > I do hope the building that houses this institution will be located on the > west side of the Ottawa River, and that in no way will Mr. Chretien's name > be attached. Does this announcement mean that the NAC will no longer have > first dibs on historical records? > Freda Stewart > Calgary, Alberta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:36 AM > Subject: [QUEBEC] Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > > To all:- > > Will OUR Canadian census records be stored within, without > > any restrictions? These records form the foundation of other > > facets of Canadian history. > > These records and NEW Sea-Kings would be really memorable! > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm > > > > ======================= > > > > Greeting All. > > > > This afternoon I received an interesting email from Ian Wilson, National > > Archivist of Canada. He advised me of an announcement by Prime > > Minister Jean Chrétien regarding the formation of a Canada History Centre. > > > > I have placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL > > following my signature, new pages in both English and French that > > contain the News Release, a Backgrounder, and a speech by the > > Prime Minister regarding the formation of this Centre. I would urge > > listers to have a look at these pages as there are a number of > > interesting comments in them. > > > > >From the News Release: > > > > "The role of this institution will be to increase accessibility of > all > > Canadians to their history." > > > > "The Canada History Centre will focus on those who have contributed > > to the building of Canada and the flourishing of our democracy." > > > > >From the Backgrounder: > > > > "The Canada History Centre will promote debate on Canada's history > > from diverse perspectives. It will focus on our leaders, statesmen > > and stateswomen and political processes and institutions as well > > as on grassroots organizations and people from all walks of life > > who have shaped Canada's distinct model of democracy and > governance." > > > > >From the speech of the Prime Minister: > > > > "This Centre will soon become the site of one of the most important > > meetings in its history: one between Canadians and their shared > > past." > > > > "Together Canadians have built a nation that is strong, prosperous > > and free. We must know the builders of our nation to sustain what > > their mind and hearts, their muscles and their blood, have created." > > > > "We must once again strengthen the ties that bind us together and > > the understanding of Canada that we share. Our past must be near > > us as we move into the future." > > > > "Listen carefully and you can hear echoes in this magnificent > building > > . ......... Echoes of immigrants arriving from Pier 21 in Halifax, > > some > > to stay, some to open up the Canadian West." > > > > "The Canada History Centre will bring to life the memories of men > > and women who, through their ideas, their vision and their actions, > > inscribed their names on the rolls of our history." > > > > "The new Canada History Centre will open a door to the great wealth > > of our history and our heritage........" > > > > I suspect that there are those among us that are willing to point out to > > the Prime Minister that while he and the Canada History Centre seek to > > promote the history and heritage of the people of Canada, Statistics > > Canada and the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 seek to do > > just the opposite. > > > > Happy Hunting. > > > > Gordon A. Watts [email protected] > > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > > Port Coquitlam, BC > > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > Permission to forward without notice is granted. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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