yes, the letters and petitions work. i joined this list when it was just celebrating its first year of existance. i've watched mp's and senators swing from no response or fence sitters and even some of those who opposed to come over to our side. i remember the thrill of when we had converted half the house of commons and still kept sending emails/letters to ensure that when it went to vote, we'd still have enough clout, even with absenteeism. muriel is a marvel at producing information and nagging the non-responders into a response. milne has busted her butt to make in roads with the stodgey..hmm the less the friendly senators. she does very well with diplomacy. you may have noticed i don't. she plays the game..politics is like fishing..you just have to use the right bait to hook em..and some just of these big fish will never bite, and that doesn't matter as long as we catch the majority of these power voters. always remember, speaking up and out does gain attention. it helps create awareness. the more public we get the more the mp's begin to take us seriously. so keep those cards/letters emails going to not only your representatives in ottawa, but to the media...talk to your friends and neighbours..get them on board. remind the mp's in public that this is an important issue. meet your mp face to face. ppl from other countries..contact the canadian reps who hold office in the county/district your person of interest is from. remind the elected/appointed offical you still have kinfolk in the area..(even if you haven't found them yet, the politician doesn't need to know that). roz On Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:01 PM, Lori Lauen [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > As I stated earlier this is not a matter of Bush. This is only a > matter of > Chretien who represents Canada throwing insults at other governments. > > Should never have happened. > > As for the 1911 census, IMO, there are reasons other than people's > privacy > of 92 yrs ago that is causing problems for the release of it. I know, > > personally that the government is not that concerned when it comes to > > privacy of living people. I don't know if all the letters are going > to do > any good or not when it comes to this. > > Lori > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > >"[email protected]" > ><[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:40:12 -0700 > > > >yes, i too was raised if you can't say something nice don't say it > >all. > >but, some ppl think it is okay for world leaders to bash france, > >germany, russia (formerly the ussr), but we must never ever say > >anything about the usa...and this time its not the usa..it is bush > >the > >ppl of this planet are disgusted with. it is not anti- > >americanism..it > >is anti-bushism. > > > >the census issue also has an international flavour thanks to past > >retirement age dr. ivan fellegi who revamped the american census > >process in 1978, who has been involved with brasil, australia and > >other > >countries and how they now handle their censuses. > > > >chretien's greatest legacy would be to retire fellegi. but, he's in > >pretty darn tight with the new world order which dubya's daddy > >started > >spouting about a couple of decades ago. > > > >yes, lori we a great distance apart in our awareness of what is > >going > >on with this planet. i've chosen to become informed regarding > >important > >issues that will significantly impact on canada such the tarriffs on > >our lumber, wheat, the breaching of fishery protection. > > > >but, we as canadians must not comment on these items..it might > >offend > >the usa..who tend to forget all the things canadians have done for > >the > >american ppl, including risking canadian diplomats lives during the > >iran crisis..yes, we smuggled out americans, we sent help to 9/11. > >we > >opened our airways to possible terrorist attacks to get americans > >and > >other travellers safely to the ground..and then took these strangers > >into our homes. > > > >but that is all forgotten the moment any canadian mentions they have > >a > >problem with bush's foreign policy. so lets continue publically > >bashing > >the former > >iraqi government or zimbawe or anyother nation but the usa..because > >the > >usa might get mad at us and create trade embargos..close the > >borders..meanwhile the european economic leaders are running around > >picking up on trade contracts in latin american and other countries > >who > >refuse to do business with the usa because of its actions regarding > >the > >invasion and occupation of iraq. > > > >now lets see if we can get back on topic and get those post 1906 > >canadian censuses released without any restrictions. > > > >roz > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM, Lori Lauen > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your views and I > > > have > > > mine > > > but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not be running > > > down > > > countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. Back to the > > > 1911 > > > census > > > our government is wasting time that could be better spent on > >something > > > else > > > talking about this census that should have just went through > > > considering it > > > is 92 yrs. > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > > > >"[email protected]" > > > ><[email protected]> > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > > > > > > > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember > > > >the > > > >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they > > > >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > > > > > > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian > > > >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver > > > >during > > > >an > > > >APEC conference. > > > > > > > >read the the urls..then defend bush. > > > >roz > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of > > > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > all of > > > > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like > > > > > western > > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the > > > > > >willing > > > > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > > > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > > > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs > > > > > >showing > > > > > >the > > > > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > > > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing > > > > > >the > > > > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an > > > > > >unjust > > > > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could > > > > > >control > > > > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > > > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > > > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to > >baghdad > > > > > >as > > > > > >a > > > > > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats > > > > > >including > > > > > >sasha > > > > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign > > > > > >minister). > > > > > > > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > > > > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > > > > > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used > > > > > >in > > > > > >gulf > > > > > >2. > > > > > > > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. > >wake > > > > > >up > > > > > >ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely > > > > > >pleased > > > > > >he > > > > > >is > > > > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > > > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about > > > > > >who > > > > > >is > > > > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > > > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue > > > > > >this > > > > > >off > > > > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of > > > > > >mainstream > > > > > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were > > > > > >presented > > > > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by > > > > > >a > > > > > >long > > > > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > > > > > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's > > > > > >when > > > > > >korea > > > > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and > > > > > >electricity > > > > > >to > > > > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat > > > > > >or > > > > > >lights > > > > > >in winter. > > > > > > > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > > > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from > > > > > >several > > > > > >rev > > > > > >war ancestors. > > > > > > > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they > > > > > >publically > > > > > >voice > > > > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the > > > > > >land > > > > > >of > > > > > >the > > > > > >free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > it, > > > > > >no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > appease > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his > > > > > > > >annual > > > > > > > >Canada > > > > > > > >Day > > > > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of > > > > > > > >Information > > > >Act, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > > > > >should > > > > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, > > > > > > > >becuase > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >just got > > > > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >date > > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > >things. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >Britain > > > > > > > >in the > > > > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my > > > > > > > >government > > > > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything > > > > > > > >but > > > > > > > >puppets > > > > > > > >though > > > > > > > >if > > > > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not > > > > > > > >all > > > > > > > >politicians > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that > > > > > > > >correctly) > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >walk away > > > > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the > > > > > > > >party > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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To all:- My faithful assistant, Bryan Keddy, presented the former Lunenburg County's Canadian Census Campaign site to me and more recently, changed it from Geocities to Rootsweb format. I had become accustomed to the usual "html" The correct URL is as follows:- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm Sorry! this one will open!! Muriel M. Davidson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Lori Whether or not our letters will "do any good or not" remains to be seen. The fact remains, if we do not inform the MPs how we feel about the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13, if we do not TRY, NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED. If nothing is changed, it should not be because of a lack of trying on our part. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Lauen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request <snip> As for the 1911 census, IMO, there are reasons other than people's privacy of 92 yrs ago that is causing problems for the release of it. I know, personally that the government is not that concerned when it comes to privacy of living people. I don't know if all the letters are going to do any good or not when it comes to this. Lori >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, >"[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:40:12 -0700 > >yes, i too was raised if you can't say something nice don't say it all. >but, some ppl think it is okay for world leaders to bash france, >germany, russia (formerly the ussr), but we must never ever say >anything about the usa...and this time its not the usa..it is bush the >ppl of this planet are disgusted with. it is not anti-americanism..it >is anti-bushism. > >the census issue also has an international flavour thanks to past >retirement age dr. ivan fellegi who revamped the american census >process in 1978, who has been involved with brasil, australia and other >countries and how they now handle their censuses. > >chretien's greatest legacy would be to retire fellegi. but, he's in >pretty darn tight with the new world order which dubya's daddy started >spouting about a couple of decades ago. > >yes, lori we a great distance apart in our awareness of what is going >on with this planet. i've chosen to become informed regarding important >issues that will significantly impact on canada such the tarriffs on >our lumber, wheat, the breaching of fishery protection. > >but, we as canadians must not comment on these items..it might offend >the usa..who tend to forget all the things canadians have done for the >american ppl, including risking canadian diplomats lives during the >iran crisis..yes, we smuggled out americans, we sent help to 9/11. we >opened our airways to possible terrorist attacks to get americans and >other travellers safely to the ground..and then took these strangers >into our homes. > >but that is all forgotten the moment any canadian mentions they have a >problem with bush's foreign policy. so lets continue publically bashing >the former >iraqi government or zimbawe or anyother nation but the usa..because the >usa might get mad at us and create trade embargos..close the >borders..meanwhile the european economic leaders are running around >picking up on trade contracts in latin american and other countries who >refuse to do business with the usa because of its actions regarding the >invasion and occupation of iraq. > >now lets see if we can get back on topic and get those post 1906 >canadian censuses released without any restrictions. > >roz > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM, Lori Lauen >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your views and I have > > mine > > but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not be running down > > countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. Back to the 1911 > > census > > our government is wasting time that could be better spent on >something > > else > > talking about this census that should have just went through > > considering it > > is 92 yrs. > > > > Lori > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > > >"[email protected]" > > ><[email protected]> > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > > > > > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember the > > >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they > > >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > > > > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian > > >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver during > > >an > > >APEC conference. > > > > > >read the the urls..then defend bush. > > >roz > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of that > > > > for > > > > all of > > > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like western > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the > > > > >willing > > > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing > > > > >the > > > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the > > > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an > > > > >unjust > > > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could > > > > >control > > > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to >baghdad > > > > >as > > > > >a > > > > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including > > > > >sasha > > > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). > > > > > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > > > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > > > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in > > > > >gulf > > > > >2. > > > > > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. >wake > > > > >up > > > > >ppl. > > > > > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased > > > > >he > > > > >is > > > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who > > > > >is > > > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this > > > > >off > > > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of > > > > >mainstream > > > > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were > > > > >presented > > > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a > > > > >long > > > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > > > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's > > > > >when > > > > >korea > > > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity > > > > >to > > > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or > > > > >lights > > > > >in winter. > > > > > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from > > > > >several > > > > >rev > > > > >war ancestors. > > > > > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically > > > > >voice > > > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land > > > > >of > > > > >the > > > > >free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't > > > > > > believe > > > > > > it, > > > > >no > > > > > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years > > > > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > found > > > > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just to > > > > > > appease > > > > > > for a > > > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off > > > > > > about > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > believe > > > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his > > > > > > >annual > > > > > > >Canada > > > > > > >Day > > > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information > > >Act, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > > > >should > > > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, > > > > > > >becuase > > > > > > >I > > > > > > >just got > > > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to > > > > > > >date > > > > > > >with > > > > > > >things. > > > > > > > It > > > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and > > > > > > >Britain > > > > > > >in the > > > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government > > > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but > > > > > > >puppets > > > > > > >though > > > > > > >if > > > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > > > > > > >politicians > > > > > > >have > > > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that > > > > > > >correctly) > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >walk away > > > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the > > > > > > >party > > > > > > >is > > > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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Greetings All. I have already mentioned this a couple of times. Can we PLEASE get our posts back to the reason this list exists -- regaining public access to Historic Census records. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] CCC List administrator

As I stated earlier this is not a matter of Bush. This is only a matter of Chretien who represents Canada throwing insults at other governments. Should never have happened. As for the 1911 census, IMO, there are reasons other than people's privacy of 92 yrs ago that is causing problems for the release of it. I know, personally that the government is not that concerned when it comes to privacy of living people. I don't know if all the letters are going to do any good or not when it comes to this. Lori >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, >"[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:40:12 -0700 > >yes, i too was raised if you can't say something nice don't say it all. >but, some ppl think it is okay for world leaders to bash france, >germany, russia (formerly the ussr), but we must never ever say >anything about the usa...and this time its not the usa..it is bush the >ppl of this planet are disgusted with. it is not anti-americanism..it >is anti-bushism. > >the census issue also has an international flavour thanks to past >retirement age dr. ivan fellegi who revamped the american census >process in 1978, who has been involved with brasil, australia and other >countries and how they now handle their censuses. > >chretien's greatest legacy would be to retire fellegi. but, he's in >pretty darn tight with the new world order which dubya's daddy started >spouting about a couple of decades ago. > >yes, lori we a great distance apart in our awareness of what is going >on with this planet. i've chosen to become informed regarding important >issues that will significantly impact on canada such the tarriffs on >our lumber, wheat, the breaching of fishery protection. > >but, we as canadians must not comment on these items..it might offend >the usa..who tend to forget all the things canadians have done for the >american ppl, including risking canadian diplomats lives during the >iran crisis..yes, we smuggled out americans, we sent help to 9/11. we >opened our airways to possible terrorist attacks to get americans and >other travellers safely to the ground..and then took these strangers >into our homes. > >but that is all forgotten the moment any canadian mentions they have a >problem with bush's foreign policy. so lets continue publically bashing >the former >iraqi government or zimbawe or anyother nation but the usa..because the >usa might get mad at us and create trade embargos..close the >borders..meanwhile the european economic leaders are running around >picking up on trade contracts in latin american and other countries who >refuse to do business with the usa because of its actions regarding the >invasion and occupation of iraq. > >now lets see if we can get back on topic and get those post 1906 >canadian censuses released without any restrictions. > >roz > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM, Lori Lauen >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your views and I have > > mine > > but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not be running down > > countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. Back to the 1911 > > census > > our government is wasting time that could be better spent on >something > > else > > talking about this census that should have just went through > > considering it > > is 92 yrs. > > > > Lori > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > > >"[email protected]" > > ><[email protected]> > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > > > > > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember the > > >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they > > >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > > > > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian > > >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver during > > >an > > >APEC conference. > > > > > >read the the urls..then defend bush. > > >roz > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of that > > > > for > > > > all of > > > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like western > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the > > > > >willing > > > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing > > > > >the > > > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the > > > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an > > > > >unjust > > > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could > > > > >control > > > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to >baghdad > > > > >as > > > > >a > > > > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including > > > > >sasha > > > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). > > > > > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > > > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > > > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in > > > > >gulf > > > > >2. > > > > > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. >wake > > > > >up > > > > >ppl. > > > > > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased > > > > >he > > > > >is > > > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who > > > > >is > > > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this > > > > >off > > > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of > > > > >mainstream > > > > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were > > > > >presented > > > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a > > > > >long > > > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > > > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's > > > > >when > > > > >korea > > > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity > > > > >to > > > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or > > > > >lights > > > > >in winter. > > > > > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from > > > > >several > > > > >rev > > > > >war ancestors. > > > > > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically > > > > >voice > > > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land > > > > >of > > > > >the > > > > >free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't > > > > > > believe > > > > > > it, > > > > >no > > > > > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years > > > > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > found > > > > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just to > > > > > > appease > > > > > > for a > > > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off > > > > > > about > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > believe > > > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his > > > > > > >annual > > > > > > >Canada > > > > > > >Day > > > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information > > >Act, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > > > >should > > > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, > > > > > > >becuase > > > > > > >I > > > > > > >just got > > > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to > > > > > > >date > > > > > > >with > > > > > > >things. > > > > > > > It > > > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and > > > > > > >Britain > > > > > > >in the > > > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government > > > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but > > > > > > >puppets > > > > > > >though > > > > > > >if > > > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > > > > > > >politicians > > > > > > >have > > > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that > > > > > > >correctly) > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >walk away > > > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the > > > > > > >party > > > > > > >is > > > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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To all:- There have been a number of subscribers to the CCC mail list feel they desired to unsubscribe -- we do not know the reasons -- it could have been that many deviated from the reason the Canada-Census-Campaign mail list was created:- Sharing of Thoughts and a DESIRE for release of the Post-1901 census records. Let's stay on CENSUS thoughts only -- we do not need to chop up myself, Chretien, Senator Milne or anyone else -- we all have feelings -- and I can assure you that Senator Milne, myself and Gordon Watts have worked faithfully toward release, without restrictions, of the 1911 and later Canadian census records since March 1999. We will continue to do this -- ask for your assistance by each one writing to his or her Member of Parliament and be assured the elected politician will support Bill S-13 in "full debate, free vote, amendments (to get rid of restrictions) and the dubious extra 20 years. [Please copy your letter to me -- I will file it, and Gordon will post it to the scoreboard]. Should a person desire to unsubscribe, please do not use one of MY postings to do so -- that is the incorrect way to do so. I have helped many who are going away for a brief period, Gordon Watts will do this manually as list administrator. Many of the readers know my husband of over 57 years has been a resident at Sunnybrook Veteran's Wing since March 26, 2001. Last week, when I visited him, the vice-president Lloyd ______ (not supposed to give names) of the Resident's Council "borrowed" me and introduced me to one of the senior veterans -- born in 1908. This veteran was an officer in World War II, as was Lloyd, and their plea is that the 1911 census be released intact. This was the last census prior to World War One -- the names of those killed in action for Canada and freedom would be on the census records. Juanita MacDonald has also supplied the list with another reason WHY the records should be released -- were Canadians who became POWs IN CANADA left off census records?. Several times recently, mention has been made of "Post-1906" -- all internet sites have the "Post-1901" as part of the URL. Yes, the 1906 census was released January 24, 2003, but included only three provinces, whereas 1901 and 1911, etc., are Canada-wide. Remember your Access to Information forms -- mark June 2 on your calendars, add your $5.00 -- swamp the department -- by doing this the staff will know we are serious. Let's Get Back to Basics -- and on Track!! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.html [Click on the Canadian flag logo -- another page] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Perhaps the list administrators might explain to the list how your Flame-O-Meter is calibrated. I see that both Gordon and Muriel have been on-line during the ugly political barrage this morning, which has no place on this list. It kept going on and on. I re-read Mr. Stewart's message for which he was unsubscribed. Yes, he was negative about statements made by Milne. But I cannot identify WHAT exactly he said that would be labelled a "flame." There must be different criteria for statements about/by different folks: 1. The sacred cows of the census reform committee, 2. Government employees, 3. Government politicians, 4. Folks who label other emails as "ugly," and 5. You name it as the whim arises. On a more serious note, thanks to the list administrators for all the hard work they do. Must be like trying to herd cats. Dense in the west, Rene

I have subscribed to this list to try and help have the 1911 census released to those of us who want it. Us, being those Canadians looking for their families roots with whatever means available. The 1911 census will be invaluable to me, as it is the only one where my father's family in Canada will all be found. Up to now, I have been one of the "lurkers" - trying to get the lay of the land -it seems to me that we will never achieve the goals first put forward by the Census Committee because the "divide and conquer" saying is in full swing. All of us have political opinions and opinions on the leaders of various countries in the world. All of us are aware of what is going on in the world today. All of us read newspapers and all of us WANT THE CENSUS. So, can we please get back to the real reason for this list - fighting for release of the 1911 census and beyond for those of us now and in the future who want, or will want access to them? I enjoy a good debate on the woes of the political scene in Canada and the World - but there is a time and a place - across the kitchen table always works for me. Let's leave this list for what it was intended - Getting unrestricted access to the Census takings from 1911 on. Shirley

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> To: "bonnie" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Lynton Stewart Bonnie. I have been assured by the National Archivist -- who is on OUR side in this dispute -- that the Census records, when released will be available in all the normal places in which they are currently available. I cannot say for sources outside of Canada whether this will hold true for libraries, etc, but they will also be on line for the world to access and view. If we are unable to get through our amendments to remove the conditions and restrictions of access, those conditions and restrictions will be in force regardless of where access is available. Libraries etc. would be required to get the same assurances and commitment from you as you would be required to give for online access. Jeff has been unable to release the specific commitment required but some time ago he read it to me in a telephone conversation and my interpretation of what it said is on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL below. I agree with your assessment as to the reason for the conditions and restrictions, but as Jeff has indicated, there are a number of Cabinet members that strongly support his views on the subject. We must do all that we can to change their minds. As Bill S-13 has now received first reading in the House of Commons, NOW is the time to contact our MPs. Tomorrow may be too late. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "bonnie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Lynton Stewart This undertaking is what is the puzzle. Who approves it, and where does it go. By simply withholding a form, they can stop us dead. And where do we get the form, will the libraries have to carry it? If it is on line, what info on us do they want before we can use it. You would need approval all over the place to do your research. I personally use the LSD centers to read cences, I like the form theycome in. My library has very poor lighting for it. Will I need church approval to read it. I am sure they would grant it, but can they get approval to let me. I think they will be stopped in their tracks. Personally I think this should be stopped dead. It is simply a compremise to appease Felligi. This law VIOLATES MY PRICACY. Bonnie At 09:31 AM 5/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Roz and all. > >Read the opening statement of Bill S-13. It states: > >"(4) The information contained in the returns of any census of >population taken between 1910 and 2003 may, starting ninety-two years >after the census is taken, be examined by > >(a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own >behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other >person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking >in the form prescribed by regulation; or > >(a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own >behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other >person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking >in the form prescribed by regulation; or > >(b) a person wishing to conduct historical research if > >(i) their research project is approved by a person who is a member of a >category of persons prescribed by regulation, and > >(ii) they sign an undertaking in the form prescribed by regulation." > >There is nothing there that states that genealogical research requires >3rd party approval. For historical research, yes, but not for >genealogical research. > >Gordon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roz Griston" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:26 AM >Subject: RE: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > > >jeff >please cite the exact clause that will allow us to conduct research on >the 1911 without 3rd party approval. > >it may come in handy at a later date. beaucrats listen best when one >can counter their double speak with exact information to confirm a >"right" to access.. >regards >roz > >On Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:41 AM, Paul, Jeff: SEN >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Hey there gang: > > > > Just to clear up the misconception once again. Genealogists will NOT > > be required to get the approval of anyone before conducting research. > > The third party approval only applies to those doing historical > > research. If you are searching your own family, or searching for > > another person's family on their behalf, no third party approval is > > required. That is laid out properly in bill S-13. > > > > If this bill is passed, the 1911 census will be available on line >this > > year to all genealogists who accept the undertaking. > > > > Jeff Paul > > Policy Advisor > > Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rowat [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:16 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > > > > > > I'm sorry to see that Bill Stewart has been removed from the List. >Of > > > > all the arguments expressed by many people on the subject of Bill S- > > 13, > > his were the the most coherent and logical, and he was one of the few > > > > people who made any sense. He reminded me of the little boy who had > > the > > temerity to exclaim that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes. > > I urge everyone to read again the exact wording of Bill S-13, An Act > > to > > amend the Statistics Act. You will find no mention of "tombstone > > information", or short forms or long forms. There is no mention of > > opt-in or opt-out checkboxes either. These topics are mentioned in > > Senator Milne's presentation of the bill to the Senate, but the >actual > > > > words of the bill itself say something different. I can see in the > > words > > of the bill that an additional 20 years are to be added to the 92 > > years > > of waiting before the census data will be released, making a total of > > > > 112 years. Anyone wishing to examine the census in those last 20 >years > > > > must first demonstrate that his "historical research project" has >some > > > > public and scientific value. The approval of the project will be by > > persons to be determined later, and the applicant will be required to > > > > sign an undertaking "in the form prescribed by regulation", whatever > > that means. Do not assume anything is in this bill unless it is > > written > > there, and think carefully about what it does say. This bill does > > absolutely nothing for genealogy and to call it "flawed" is to be > > charitable. > > In the words of Lynton Stewart, anyone who supports this bill should > > be > > ashamed. > > > > David Rowat > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at > > http://globalgazette.net > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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yes, i too was raised if you can't say something nice don't say it all. but, some ppl think it is okay for world leaders to bash france, germany, russia (formerly the ussr), but we must never ever say anything about the usa...and this time its not the usa..it is bush the ppl of this planet are disgusted with. it is not anti-americanism..it is anti-bushism. the census issue also has an international flavour thanks to past retirement age dr. ivan fellegi who revamped the american census process in 1978, who has been involved with brasil, australia and other countries and how they now handle their censuses. chretien's greatest legacy would be to retire fellegi. but, he's in pretty darn tight with the new world order which dubya's daddy started spouting about a couple of decades ago. yes, lori we a great distance apart in our awareness of what is going on with this planet. i've chosen to become informed regarding important issues that will significantly impact on canada such the tarriffs on our lumber, wheat, the breaching of fishery protection. but, we as canadians must not comment on these items..it might offend the usa..who tend to forget all the things canadians have done for the american ppl, including risking canadian diplomats lives during the iran crisis..yes, we smuggled out americans, we sent help to 9/11. we opened our airways to possible terrorist attacks to get americans and other travellers safely to the ground..and then took these strangers into our homes. but that is all forgotten the moment any canadian mentions they have a problem with bush's foreign policy. so lets continue publically bashing the former iraqi government or zimbawe or anyother nation but the usa..because the usa might get mad at us and create trade embargos..close the borders..meanwhile the european economic leaders are running around picking up on trade contracts in latin american and other countries who refuse to do business with the usa because of its actions regarding the invasion and occupation of iraq. now lets see if we can get back on topic and get those post 1906 canadian censuses released without any restrictions. roz On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM, Lori Lauen [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your views and I have > mine > but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not be running down > countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. Back to the 1911 > census > our government is wasting time that could be better spent on something > else > talking about this census that should have just went through > considering it > is 92 yrs. > > Lori > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > >"[email protected]" > ><[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > > > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember the > >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they > >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian > >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver during > >an > >APEC conference. > > > >read the the urls..then defend bush. > >roz > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of that > > > for > > > all of > > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like western > > > Canada. > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the > > > >willing > > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing > > > >the > > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the > > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an > > > >unjust > > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could > > > >control > > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to baghdad > > > >as > > > >a > > > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including > > > >sasha > > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). > > > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in > > > >gulf > > > >2. > > > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. wake > > > >up > > > >ppl. > > > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased > > > >he > > > >is > > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who > > > >is > > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this > > > >off > > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of > > > >mainstream > > > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were > > > >presented > > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a > > > >long > > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's > > > >when > > > >korea > > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity > > > >to > > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or > > > >lights > > > >in winter. > > > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from > > > >several > > > >rev > > > >war ancestors. > > > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically > > > >voice > > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land > > > >of > > > >the > > > >free. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't > > > > > believe > > > > > it, > > > >no > > > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years > > > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > found > > > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just to > > > > > appease > > > > > for a > > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off > > > > > about > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I > > > > > don't > > > > > believe > > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his > > > > > >annual > > > > > >Canada > > > > > >Day > > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information > >Act, > > > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > > >should > > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, > > > > > >becuase > > > > > >I > > > > > >just got > > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to > > > > > >date > > > > > >with > > > > > >things. > > > > > > It > > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and > > > > > >Britain > > > > > >in the > > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government > > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but > > > > > >puppets > > > > > >though > > > > > >if > > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > > > > > >politicians > > > > > >have > > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that > > > > > >correctly) > > > > > >to > > > > > >walk away > > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the > > > > > >party > > > > > >is > > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your views and I have mine but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not be running down countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. Back to the 1911 census our government is wasting time that could be better spent on something else talking about this census that should have just went through considering it is 92 yrs. Lori >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, >"[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember the >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver during an >APEC conference. > >read the the urls..then defend bush. >roz > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of that for > > all of > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like western > > Canada. > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the willing > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing the > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an unjust > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could control > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to baghdad as > > >a > > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including > > >sasha > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in gulf > > >2. > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. wake up > > >ppl. > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased he > > >is > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who is > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this off > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of mainstream > > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were presented > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a long > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's when > > >korea > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity to > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or > > >lights > > >in winter. > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from several > > >rev > > >war ancestors. > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically > > >voice > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land of > > >the > > >free. > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't believe > > > > it, > > >no > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years I > > > > have > > > > found > > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just to > > > > appease > > > > for a > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off about > > > > other > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I > > > > don't > > > > believe > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his annual > > > > >Canada > > > > >Day > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information >Act, > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > >should > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, becuase > > > > >I > > > > >just got > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to date > > > > >with > > > > >things. > > > > > It > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and > > > > >Britain > > > > >in the > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but > > > > >puppets > > > > >though > > > > >if > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > > > > >politicians > > > > >have > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that correctly) > > > > >to > > > > >walk away > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the party > > > > >is > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of that for all of Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like western Canada. >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the willing >aka COWs. check out this url. >http://www.awolbush.com >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing the >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an unjust >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could control >middle eastern oil. > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to baghdad as a >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including sasha >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in gulf 2. > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. wake up >ppl. > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased he is >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who is >going to fund him in the next election. > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this off >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of mainstream >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were presented >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a long >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's when korea >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity to >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or lights >in winter. > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from several rev >war ancestors. > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically voice >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land of the >free. > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Bith, > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't believe it, >no > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years I have > > found > > most of the information given to constituents is done just to appease > > for a > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off about other > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I don't > > believe > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > Lori > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > >April > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his annual Canada > > >Day > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information Act, > > >that we > > >should > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, becuase I > > >just got > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to date with > > >things. > > > It > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and Britain > > >in the > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government about.) > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but puppets > > >though > > >if > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > > >politicians > > >have > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that correctly) to > > >walk away > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the party is > > >doing. > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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Greetings All. Forwarded FYI. Now is the time to write our letters to MPs regarding amendments that we view as essential to make Bill S-13 representative of what genealogists and historians seek -- unrestricted access to all Census records, now and in the future, on the same basis as 240 years of Census records are already available. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: [CCC] S-13 in House of Commons Hey there everyone: I just wanted to let you all know that S-13 was introduced in the House of Commons yesterday where it passed first reading. This is a pro-forma stage where there is no debate. As soon as I know when it will come up for second reading, I will let you know. Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Download Post 1901 Census petitions at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

On Tuesday, May 28, 2003, at 9:06:32 AM, Paul, Jeff: SEN wrote: > In the hearings on bill S-13, and in the background information that > the government released, the government stated that a person's family > is defined as anyone related by blood, marriage, or adoption. The > goverment has stated clearly that it will take a very broad view of > what a family is. I am extremely glad to hear this and am hopeful that it will actually work in this manner. I am adopted, which is another governmental fiasco, and I have been concerned that I would be restricted from researching one of my families. I love the family I am adopted by and have been researching them for a few years, but as I learn details of my birth family it is important that I can research them, as well. I will very shortly become a grandfather, and I have directly or indirectly created two generations beyond the person that the government "protected and provided for." The importance of knowing my heritage and the medical history of my birth family is fundamentally important to three generations of individuals and won't stop there. It would be a terrible disservice to millions of Canadians, who are members of the adoption triad, if they could not have access to information on both their adopted and birth families because of bill S-13. Now, if only the offensive clause 8 could be removed. :-) Respectfully, Glenn _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ I'm too old to be told I can't know my Mother's name –Dic Charge, CANADopt Founder

This undertaking is what is the puzzle. Who approves it, and where does it go. By simply withholding a form, they can stop us dead. And where do we get the form, will the libraries have to carry it? If it is on line, what info on us do they want before we can use it. You would need approval all over the place to do your research. I personally use the LSD centers to read cences, I like the form theycome in. My library has very poor lighting for it. Will I need church approval to read it. I am sure they would grant it, but can they get approval to let me. I think they will be stopped in their tracks. Personally I think this should be stopped dead. It is simply a compremise to appease Felligi. This law VIOLATES MY PRICACY. Bonnie At 09:31 AM 5/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Roz and all. > >Read the opening statement of Bill S-13. It states: > >"(4) The information contained in the returns of any census of >population taken between 1910 and 2003 may, starting ninety-two years >after the census is taken, be examined by > >(a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own >behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other >person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking >in the form prescribed by regulation; or > >(a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own >behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other >person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking >in the form prescribed by regulation; or > >(b) a person wishing to conduct historical research if > >(i) their research project is approved by a person who is a member of a >category of persons prescribed by regulation, and > >(ii) they sign an undertaking in the form prescribed by regulation." > >There is nothing there that states that genealogical research requires >3rd party approval. For historical research, yes, but not for >genealogical research. > >Gordon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roz Griston" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:26 AM >Subject: RE: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > > >jeff >please cite the exact clause that will allow us to conduct research on >the 1911 without 3rd party approval. > >it may come in handy at a later date. beaucrats listen best when one >can counter their double speak with exact information to confirm a >"right" to access.. >regards >roz > >On Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:41 AM, Paul, Jeff: SEN >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Hey there gang: > > > > Just to clear up the misconception once again. Genealogists will NOT > > be required to get the approval of anyone before conducting research. > > The third party approval only applies to those doing historical > > research. If you are searching your own family, or searching for > > another person's family on their behalf, no third party approval is > > required. That is laid out properly in bill S-13. > > > > If this bill is passed, the 1911 census will be available on line >this > > year to all genealogists who accept the undertaking. > > > > Jeff Paul > > Policy Advisor > > Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rowat [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:16 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > > > > > > I'm sorry to see that Bill Stewart has been removed from the List. >Of > > > > all the arguments expressed by many people on the subject of Bill S- > > 13, > > his were the the most coherent and logical, and he was one of the few > > > > people who made any sense. He reminded me of the little boy who had > > the > > temerity to exclaim that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes. > > I urge everyone to read again the exact wording of Bill S-13, An Act > > to > > amend the Statistics Act. You will find no mention of "tombstone > > information", or short forms or long forms. There is no mention of > > opt-in or opt-out checkboxes either. These topics are mentioned in > > Senator Milne's presentation of the bill to the Senate, but the >actual > > > > words of the bill itself say something different. I can see in the > > words > > of the bill that an additional 20 years are to be added to the 92 > > years > > of waiting before the census data will be released, making a total of > > > > 112 years. Anyone wishing to examine the census in those last 20 >years > > > > must first demonstrate that his "historical research project" has >some > > > > public and scientific value. The approval of the project will be by > > persons to be determined later, and the applicant will be required to > > > > sign an undertaking "in the form prescribed by regulation", whatever > > that means. Do not assume anything is in this bill unless it is > > written > > there, and think carefully about what it does say. This bill does > > absolutely nothing for genealogy and to call it "flawed" is to be > > charitable. > > In the words of Lynton Stewart, anyone who supports this bill should > > be > > ashamed. > > > > David Rowat > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at > > http://globalgazette.net > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to >[email protected] that contains >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at > http://globalgazette.net

Good Morning Juanita, Just came home for a quick change.after yet another funeral, and to check mail. Although we are very aware of the Internment of the Japanese, A black mark in our history. The Internment of the Ukrainian people [and others ]is another black mark,in our countries history. Ignore it and it will all go away? Perhaps a Cause for Concern - in releasing Census information. [or perhaps not - there may be MP's and Senators who are not aware of this]. There are so many people in Canada and elsewhere - who are not aware of this part of Canada's History. Not taught as part of Canadian History. Most do not know the history of Banff - and the use of Interned Ukrainians as the labour force in building the park. and other projects across Canada. There are few books. There is a National Film Board of Canada Film - Freedom had a Price - http://cmm.onf.ca/E/titleinfo/index.epl?id=32014 http://cmm.onf.ca/E/titleinfo/index.epl?id=33312&expr=&sid=&coll=&type= excellent - but is seldom if ever played. I had contacted the History Channel about this. Whether or not they consider showing this movie .It can sometimes be found languishing on a back shelf at some libraries. and perhaps some University Libraries.and Ukrainian Genealogy societies . Well worth the search. and Perhaps a contributing factor - in the concern about releasing Census information. Cheers, Stella At 03:19 AM 5/29/03 -0300, joseph macdonald wrote: >Hi, > >I came across this site while looking for information concerning the >1911 census. This would be valuable information for those of Ukrainian >heritage. The Dominion Census, taken in June 1911, had identified 39,577 >Germans, 121,430 Austro-Hungarians, 1,666 Bulgarians and 4,768 Turks and >Syrians in Canada. Though not exactly information on the 1911 census. No >doubt most of the names of these Ukrainians were on the 1911 census and >no doubt would be found again on the 1916 census as listed in internment >camps, located in various parts of Canada. I took a brief look at the >pdf file for the Roll Call, there is 91 pages with names starting on >page four, I believe for those in the various camps across Canada. > >I couldn't help but wonder if this might be part of the reason for the >20 non-disclosure clause in Bill S-13. These people were still in the >camps during the 1918 census. They were actually held for two years >after the war (1914-1918) and they were used by the Government as forced >labourers. > >This is a most impressive site. >Regards >Juanita > >http://www.infoukes.com/history/internment/ > >Interment of Ukrainians in Canada 1914-1920 > >Introduction >The purpose of these pages is to inform the general population about the >Canadian Government's internment of Ukrainian Canadians in Concentration >Camps in Canada during the period of 1914-1920. >With the outbreak of World War I, the War Measures Act (1914) was >implemented as a result of an Order In Council by the Canadian >Government. This resulted in the internment of 8,579 "enemy aliens" of >which over 5,000 were Ukrainians who had emigrated to Canada from >territories under the control of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It also >meant an additional 80,000 individuals (of which the vast majority were >Ukrainians) were obliged to register as "enemy aliens" and then required >to report to local authorities on a regular basis. >http://www.uccla.ca/images/Roll_Call.pdf > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at > http://globalgazette.net

i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember the bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they said..let the eastern bastards freeze. chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver during an APEC conference. read the the urls..then defend bush. roz On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of that for > all of > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like western > Canada. > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the willing > >aka COWs. check out this url. > >http://www.awolbush.com > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing the > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an unjust > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could control > >middle eastern oil. > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to baghdad as > >a > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including > >sasha > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in gulf > >2. > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. wake up > >ppl. > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased he > >is > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who is > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this off > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of mainstream > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were presented > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a long > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's when > >korea > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity to > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or > >lights > >in winter. > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from several > >rev > >war ancestors. > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically > >voice > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land of > >the > >free. > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > Bith, > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't believe > > > it, > >no > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years I > > > have > > > found > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just to > > > appease > > > for a > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off about > > > other > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I > > > don't > > > believe > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his annual > > > >Canada > > > >Day > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information Act, > > > > > > > >that we > > > >should > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, becuase > > > >I > > > >just got > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to date > > > >with > > > >things. > > > > It > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and > > > >Britain > > > >in the > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government > > > >about.) > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but > > > >puppets > > > >though > > > >if > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > > > >politicians > > > >have > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that correctly) > > > >to > > > >walk away > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the party > > > >is > > > >doing. > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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Bith, I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't believe it, no matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years I have found most of the information given to constituents is done just to appease for a time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off about other governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I don't believe anything that comes from him or his followers. Lori >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > >April > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his annual Canada Day >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information Act, that we >should >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, becuase I just got >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to date with things. > It >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and Britain in the >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government about.) > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but puppets though >if >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all politicians >have >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that correctly) to walk away >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the party is doing. > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to >[email protected] that contains >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the willing aka COWs. check out this url. http://www.awolbush.com scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs showing the american economy for the last 3 presidents. surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing the internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an unjust war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could control middle eastern oil. surf for zalmay and haliburton. learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to baghdad as a human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats including sasha trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign minister). learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used in gulf 2. learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. wake up ppl. i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely pleased he is standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about who is going to fund him in the next election. well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue this off list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of mainstream media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were presented prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by a long shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's when korea fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and electricity to north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat or lights in winter. wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from several rev war ancestors. millions of americans don't support bush..but if they publically voice that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the land of the free. On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > Bith, > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't believe it, no > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the years I have > found > most of the information given to constituents is done just to appease > for a > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off about other > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. I don't > believe > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > Lori > > > >From: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > >April > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his annual Canada > >Day > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information Act, > >that we > >should > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, becuase I > >just got > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to date with > >things. > > It > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and Britain > >in the > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government about.) > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but puppets > >though > >if > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all > >politicians > >have > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that correctly) to > >walk away > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the party is > >doing. > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > >[email protected] that contains > >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm >

April I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his annual Canada Day event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of Information Act, that we should be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. Then he went back to Ottawa. He did a 180 degree turn around. He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, becuase I just got one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up to date with things. It was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA and Britain in the war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my government about.) With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything but puppets though if the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not all politicians have the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that correctly) to walk away from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the party is doing. Bith on Oshawa, ON