To all:- Questions asked on census enumerations up to and including 1901 are posted at the following site -- "Questions Asked, etc." http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm These vary greatly, are very interesting, and one category stands out, but is not on the 1911 census list of questions. 4. Colour ================ 1911 CENSUS QUESTIONS [Comments, if any, are personal] 1. Name 2. Address 3. Sex 4. Relationship to head of household 5. Marital Status 6. Month of Birth 7. Year of Birth [may not always be correct - if wife was older] 8. Age on last birthday [if born July, 1908, would be listed as 2 years] 9. Country or Place of Birth 10. Year of immigration to Canada if an immigrant [My mother's family moved from Maine in 1909] 11. Year of naturalization [many did not if married to Canadians] 12. Racial or tribal origin 13. Nationality 14. Religion 15. Chief occupation 16. Other occupations 17. Employer, Employee, or working on own account 18. Place of employment 19. # weeks employed in 1910 in chief occupation 20. # weeks employed in 1910 in secondary occupation if any [Lists states 1919 -- must be a misprint] 21. # hours per week at chief occupation 22. # hours per week at secondary occupation 23. Total earnings in 1910 from chief occupation 24. Total earnings in 1910 from secondary occupation 25. Hourly wage 26. $ Life insurance held [not on 1901 or 1921] 27. $ Accident insurance held [not on 1901 or 1921] 28. $Cost of insurance [not on 1901 or 1921] 29. # months at school in 1910 30. can read? 31. can write? 32. language commonly spoken [1901 stated English and French] 33. cost of education for people over 16 in 1910 34. Blind? 35. Deaf or Dumb? 36. Crazy or Lunatic? 37. Idiotic or Silly? ===== The last four questions could seem to be an invasion of privacy, but how many have heard that So & So were "a bit odd", or that one family member had to reside in a County Home [Dementia?] These are very important questions as any answers could tell us of genetically inherited diseases, for example, my brother who has had MS for 40 years. [First discovered in 1824, then 1909] There would have been schedules in addition to the questions, on farms one would have had to give bushels of wheat, etc. Hint: The 1901 will Copy and Paste from the given URL. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/20/03

Would someone please give me the website for the ATI form? I had it sometime ago but didn't have any luck accessing the website at that time. Thanks,Eileen

To Beth and others:- We must abide by rules as set out in the respective countries. It does stipulate the person must be a Canadian citizen and have a Canadian address. Most of the Americans with roots in Canada have Canadian relatives who would gladly send in the Access to Information -- [In United States - FIA] There should be a bona fide person you are seeking on the 1911 census -- I have at least three, but at present will only ask for the most important one -- at least to me. Regardless, the date on the ATI form should NOT be before June 1, 2003 -- the 1911 census was enumerated June 1, 1911. You may write privately or to the list if you need more assistance, Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Ostriyznick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:18 PM Subject: RE: [CCC] FIA - StatsCan To everyone on the list I feel that is very unfair to all of the Canadians who have moved to the United States as a requirement of employment etc and whose families are still located in Canada. As I am the one currently researching our family, it would be impossible for me to obtain the records needed to research our families. However, my question would be how can they verify the information that will be filled in on these forms? I could very easily use my sister's name and address on the form in Canada or at least my name and her address. I still don't see how they can fully regulate this release especially considering how many people tried to access the 1901 release. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Gordon A. Watts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CCC] FIA - StatsCan Hi Patricia. Unfortunately, unlike in the United States where I understand people from other countries are able to file a Freedom of Information request, Canada's Access to Information act requires anyone submitting a request to be a resident of Canada. They do not have to be a citizen, but they must have a Canadian mailing address. I do not know that a P.O. Box number would be sufficient -- I think it has to be an identifiable street address. In a review of the Access to Information Act when I participated in roundtable discussion, the final report recommended that ATI requests be permitted by those not living in Canada, but I am not aware of any action having been taken on this. Hope this answers your question. Happy Hunting. Gordon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/20/03

Hi Gordon, I guess after seeing what I have online and charges for accessing information, it holds tough with me? I do see your point of view however, I say that the Government shall find a way to make money out of this somehow especially knowing that Genealogy is the second highest interest online. Just the same, I do hope that they stand behind what you have relayed to me and ensure that it shall be accessed without fees. Thanks for all of your efforts Gordon. You are to be commended yet once again my friend. Lori-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Re: Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > Hi Lori-Ann > > I do not personally object to the Canada History Centre and while some > things about it could possibly become a minor money maker, i.e. > souvenirs etc. that is not what I am responding to. > > Insofar as Census is concerned, during personal conversations with > National Archivist Ian Wilson he has assured me that it is his intent to > make further Census records online without cost to those accessing them. > In addition to the online access, Census records would continue to be > available through libraries etc. in the same manner as they are today. > On the online Canadian Genealogy Centre, there may be charges for some > things, i.e. third party publications etc. but the bulk of the online > information will be free of charge. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:10 PM > Subject: [CCC] Re: Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > Hi Gordon and Muriel, > Well I must say that this certainly stinks! > All the while that they have pushed Senator Milne aside and given grief > to many over this issue for the Census, They decide to come out with a > Canada History Centre. > Sounds like a money maker to me. What odds that you will be able to > access the previous Census Material at a dollar's moment yet, the fight > for release has been on for so long now. > My thoughts are that someone told them that they could make mega bucks > on Genealogy and so now, why certainly, it just could fit in with the > laws, rights and respect of those that built our Country to what it is > today. > I am sorry for such a harsh opinon however, this is the first thing that > comes to my mind. > Since joining this Site and fight for Release of Census Material, never > once has this new Canada History Centre come to light. They are working > on the side lines and yup, I am ticked here. > Better go before I get myself in do-do.... :o) > Lori-Ann > > > >

hi Muriel, NO I don't....sheesh.. I will have to check it out throught the archives I guess???? If anyone can snail mail me a copy I would appreciate it. I don't buy the papers, I rely on the tv for news. Sorry but thanks for letting me know of this Muriel. Lori-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > Hello Lori-Ann > > Do you have a copy of yesterday's Toronto Sun -- Page 19? > There is a centre top photo of Chretien with caption > CHRETIEN CELEBRATES CANADA'S PAST > > Prime Minister Chretien is taking part in a traditional prayer > ceremony during "the announcement of a $40-million upgrade > that will transform a former Ottawa train station into a shrine to > Canada's history. The five-year-cost will be $90 million when > operating costs are included." > > The city of Brampton could give a former CP train station FREE. > > This has been a long day -- including learning that postings I > forwarded for Gordon were regarded as SPAM -- we work > together on this project -- the only way we have progressed > to date. > > As for content of this building -- census records??????? > > Muriel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:10 AM > Subject: [CCC] Re: Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > > Hi Gordon and Muriel, > > Well I must say that this certainly stinks! > > All the while that they have pushed Senator Milne aside and given grief to > many over this issue for the Census, They decide to come out with a Canada > History Centre. > > Sounds like a money maker to me. What odds that you will be able to > access the previous Census Material at a dollar's moment yet, the fight for > release has been on for so long now. > > My thoughts are that someone told them that they could make mega bucks on > Genealogy and so now, why certainly, it just could fit in with the laws, > rights and respect of those that built our Country to what it is today. > > I am sorry for such a harsh opinon however, this is the first thing that > comes to my mind. > > Since joining this Site and fight for Release of Census Material, never > once has this new Canada History Centre come to light. They are working on > the side lines and yup, I am ticked here. > > Better go before I get myself in do-do.... :o) > > Lori-Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gordon A. Watts > > To: Canada Census Campaign > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:09 AM > > Subject: Post 1901 Census - Opening of Canada History Centre > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/20/03 >

To everyone on the list I feel that is very unfair to all of the Canadians who have moved to the United States as a requirement of employment etc and whose families are still located in Canada. As I am the one currently researching our family, it would be impossible for me to obtain the records needed to research our families. However, my question would be how can they verify the information that will be filled in on these forms? I could very easily use my sister's name and address on the form in Canada or at least my name and her address. I still don't see how they can fully regulate this release especially considering how many people tried to access the 1901 release. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Gordon A. Watts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CCC] FIA - StatsCan Hi Patricia. Unfortunately, unlike in the United States where I understand people from other countries are able to file a Freedom of Information request, Canada's Access to Information act requires anyone submitting a request to be a resident of Canada. They do not have to be a citizen, but they must have a Canadian mailing address. I do not know that a P.O. Box number would be sufficient -- I think it has to be an identifiable street address. In a review of the Access to Information Act when I participated in roundtable discussion, the final report recommended that ATI requests be permitted by those not living in Canada, but I am not aware of any action having been taken on this. Hope this answers your question. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: [CCC] FIA - StatsCan Hello Gordon Can we, as Americans, file a FIA form with StatsCan or is it only for Canadians. Please Advise. Patricia Corney, BHCD Quakertown, PA USA [email protected] Email scanned in and out by Norton 2003 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Hi Beth. Do not confuse submitting an Access to Information request with being able to access Census records that have been, or will be released. The requirement for being resident in Canada has only to do with submitting a request under ATI. Access to Information requests are not limited to requesting Census records from Statistics Canada but may be submitted to any government department to obtain any number of things. I think it unlikely that provided an ATI request is sent from an address in Canada there would be any checking to see if the person sending it is really who they say they are. For the ATI requests that we are currently suggesting be sent in, it is not necessary to spell out who you are looking for - simply request access to the records in accordance with the Privacy Act and Regulation 6(d). Once Census records have been released, the same conditions for access to Census records should be applicable for anyone seeking access to them, regardless of where in the world they are. Hope this helps clear up any confusion there might be. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Ostriyznick" <[email protected]> To: "'Gordon A. Watts'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [CCC] FIA - StatsCan To everyone on the list I feel that is very unfair to all of the Canadians who have moved to the United States as a requirement of employment etc and whose families are still located in Canada. As I am the one currently researching our family, it would be impossible for me to obtain the records needed to research our families. However, my question would be how can they verify the information that will be filled in on these forms? I could very easily use my sister's name and address on the form in Canada or at least my name and her address. I still don't see how they can fully regulate this release especially considering how many people tried to access the 1901 release. Beth

Hello Gordon Can we, as Americans, file a FIA form with StatsCan or is it only for Canadians. Please Advise. Patricia Corney, BHCD Quakertown, PA USA [email protected] Email scanned in and out by Norton 2003

To Joanne Ducharme:- I have been waiting for a reply from MY Member of Parliament re Bill S-13 with all the restrictions placed on it by the government. Bill S-13 is NOW in the House of Commons -- First Reading yesterday -- there will be mention in Hansard, as I did not see Mr. Assadourian among the MPs. I am certain Mr. Assadourian has had ample opportunity -- we only ask he reply personally, not as directed. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Brampton Centre Riding, Brampton, ON =================== I would like to acknowledge receipt of your communication. Please be assured that I will bring it to Mr. Assadourian's attention at the earliest opportunity. Thank you for your comments. Joanne Ducharme Administrative Assistant -----Original Message----- From: Muriel M. Davidson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: May 5, 2003 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Post-1901 Census: OPEN DEBATE and AMENDMENTS Needed for Bill S-13! Mr. Sarkis Assadourian, M.P. Dear Sir:- The government bill, S-13, sponsored by Senator Lorna Milne is finishing the Third Reading, followed by the voting process. Following this, the contentious bill "to release census records" will be presented in the House of Commons. In the past, you have supported other census bills and motions, and this is the first time we are asking for support of Bill S-13. We, as Canada Census Committee members, do not agree with all the conditions outlined by the government -- see below. We sincerely hope you read all the information available, as Bill S-13 imposes undesirable conditions and restrictions on access! http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ONT The latest column by Gordon Watts is in the Global Gazette http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazce/gazce9.htm The column covers all the problems, plus restrictions. An extract of debate in the Senate for one day is at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70.htm en français http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70_f.htm Canada Census Committee members are requesting Members of Parliament to accept AMENDMENTS, vote in favour of these to get rid of the following restrictions inserted in this government bill:- 1. Removal of Clause 8 -- the supposed "informed consent" clause. If total removal of Clause 8 is not acceptable in the House of Commons, we hope the OPT-OUT provision will be passed. With the restrictions, a census form with NO mark would be regarded as NEGATIVE -- information never to be released. 2. Removal of all restrictions or conditions for access for at least the 1911 and 1916 census -- hopefully for all census records. 3. Removal of the "twenty-year" period during which only partial or "tombstone" information may be disclosed -- also the need to commit to an "undertaking" regarding the partial disclosure. The amendments, if passed, would make the 1911, 1916 and later census records without restrictions, same as for 1901 and 1906. Looking forward to a positive 2003 reply -- only one word needed, which is YES. You or your assistant may reply by e-mail. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 905-451-3542 http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

To all:- This was done by e-mail and the reply was posted a few minutes ago. Muriel ================== To Senator Maria Chaput:- I know you are a newly appointed Senator, but by now must have formed a few personal opinions of your own. There are many of us who need to have the 1911 (and later) census records released to find missing family members. We do not know if the people moved from one locality to another, if they died -- but our family histories have unknown information as of the present date. Sincerely hope you will be supportive of Bill S-13, with or without amendments -- very possibly the House of Commons will be able to finish what the Senate has been unable to accomplish. You may reply by e-mail, if easier for you, but a reply would get rid of your present BLUE "No Reply" ? presently at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Senscore2.htm#MB Looking forward to an early reply so we may get rid of the offending Non-interest symbol. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Dear Monique:- Please thank Senator Maria Chaput for her reply and this means that Manitoba will no longer have a Blue ??? Bill S-13 was presented for First Reading yesterday in the House of Commons, no debate, and we will know when other dates will be. If you desire, please contact me at any time. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauzon, Monique: SEN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Your e-mail of Tuesday, May 20, 2003 Mrs. Muriel M. Davidson: Senator Chaput read you e-mail. She agrees with you concerning the 1911 (and later) census records to be released. She also wants you to know that she supported Bill S-13. Thank you to let her know your concerns. Monique Lauzon-Alvarez Adjointe exécutive/Executive Assistant Sénatrice Maria Chaput/Senator Maria Chaput Pièce 806, édifice Victoria/Room 806 Victoria Building Tél.: (613) 943-2435 Fax: (613) 943-2482 [email protected] 1-800-267-7362 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Hi Patricia. Unfortunately, unlike in the United States where I understand people from other countries are able to file a Freedom of Information request, Canada's Access to Information act requires anyone submitting a request to be a resident of Canada. They do not have to be a citizen, but they must have a Canadian mailing address. I do not know that a P.O. Box number would be sufficient -- I think it has to be an identifiable street address. In a review of the Access to Information Act when I participated in roundtable discussion, the final report recommended that ATI requests be permitted by those not living in Canada, but I am not aware of any action having been taken on this. Hope this answers your question. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: [CCC] FIA - StatsCan Hello Gordon Can we, as Americans, file a FIA form with StatsCan or is it only for Canadians. Please Advise. Patricia Corney, BHCD Quakertown, PA USA [email protected] Email scanned in and out by Norton 2003 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I did not mean to exclude those listers from Countries, other than Canada, awaiting the release of the 1911 Canadian census. Please accept my apologies. I know there are family members all over the world looking for their family - just as we in Canada are looking for our families both in Canada and all over the world. Again, my apology. Shirley

Yes Jim. This is the Canada Census Campaign List. That does not mean that it is restricted to only residents of Canada. There are many Canadians who are presently living elsewhere, and many citizens of other countries that can trace their ancestry to, or through Canada. We have had tremendous support from a great many people living in other countries. We have received messages of support from people in virtually every western country in the world -- from the United States, England, Wales, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Tasmania, France, Norway, Iceland, and others. You name the country and likely we have had supportive messages from there. Yes -- this is the Canada Census Campaign list. But we welcome participation from anyone, anywhere -- whether they are Canadian, descendants of Canadians, or simply someone who supports what we are trying to accomplish. Happy Hunting Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Coady" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: [CCC] Re: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D Digest V03 #217 This is the Canada Census Campaign List, isn't it? --- [email protected] wrote: <<SNIP>>

A lot of us Americans are also awaiting the release of the 1911 to trace our Canadian families. Patricia Corney, BHCD Quakertown, PA USA [email protected] Email scanned in and out by Norton 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Heaton To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: [CCC] The release of the 1911 Canadian Census I have subscribed to this list to try and help have the 1911 census released to those of us who want it. Us, being those Canadians looking for their families roots with whatever means available. The 1911 census will be invaluable to me, as it is the only one where my father's family in Canada will all be found. Up to now, I have been one of the "lurkers" - trying to get the lay of the land -it seems to me that we will never achieve the goals first put forward by the Census Committee because the "divide and conquer" saying is in full swing. All of us have political opinions and opinions on the leaders of various countries in the world. All of us are aware of what is going on in the world today. All of us read newspapers and all of us WANT THE CENSUS. So, can we please get back to the real reason for this list - fighting for release of the 1911 census and beyond for those of us now and in the future who want, or will want access to them? I enjoy a good debate on the woes of the political scene in Canada and the World - but there is a time and a place - across the kitchen table always works for me. Let's leave this list for what it was intended - Getting unrestricted access to the Census takings from 1911 on. Shirley ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at http://globalgazette.net

Hi List, My intention was never that another government be brought into this argument and please accept my apology for bringing in the leader of Canada to this list. I will refrain from making such comments again. Lori _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I suppose it's Bush's fault that Canada won't release the census on time! Why do I have to read such insulting remarks about my president yet when I said something (not even insulting) about Felligi I was nailed to the wall. Because I don't want to start a debate about something that has nothing to do with the census, I will avoid responding to that person about that pack of lies. Eileen

This is the Canada Census Campaign List, isn't it? --- [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue > 217 > > Today's Topics: > #1 RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information R [Roz > Griston <[email protected]>] > #2 RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information R ["Lori > Lauen" <[email protected]] > #3 RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information R [Roz > Griston <[email protected]>] > #4 RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information R ["Lori > Lauen" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D, send a > message to > > > [email protected] > > that contains in the Subject line and body of the > message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > but you believe bush and his followers..the > coalition of the willing > aka COWs. check out this url. > http://www.awolbush.com > scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the > graphs showing the > american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > surf around the web page and its links..and then get > surfing the > internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf > 2 was an unjust > war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies > could control > middle eastern oil. > > surf for zalmay and haliburton. > learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, > went to baghdad as a > human shield along with 50 other children of > diplomats including sasha > trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign > minister). > > learn that bush has locked up all presidental > records in > perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure > law. > > learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm > was used in gulf 2. > > learn about the patriot acts and the homeland > security acts. wake up > ppl. > > i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm > extremely pleased he is > standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to > worry about who is > going to fund him in the next election. > > well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to > continue this off > list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to > tons of mainstream > media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions > were presented > prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't > over by a long > shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across > asia. > > did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea > and that's when korea > fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and > electricity to > north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with > out heat or lights > in winter. > > wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended > from several rev > war ancestors. > > millions of americans don't support bush..but if > they publically voice > that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much > for the land of the > free. > > > On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Bith, > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I > won't believe it, > no > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. > Over the years I have > > found > > most of the information given to constituents is > done just to appease > > for a > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his > mouth off about other > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own > country. I don't > > believe > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > Lori > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > >April > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago > at his annual Canada > > >Day > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of > Information Act, > > >that we > > >should > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very > supportive. > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can > tell, becuase I > > >just got > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his > constituents up to date with > > >things. > > > It > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported > the USA and Britain > > >in the > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my > government about.) > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have > anything but puppets > > >though > > >if > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a > liberal. Not all > > >politicians > > >have > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled > that correctly) to > > >walk away > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with > what the party is > > >doing. > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a > message to > > >[email protected] > that contains > > >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the > command > > >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > en francais > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:11:44 -0600 > From: "Lori Lauen" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does > enough of that for all of > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't > like western Canada. > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the > coalition of the willing > >aka COWs. check out this url. > >http://www.awolbush.com > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the > graphs showing the > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then > get surfing the > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf > 2 was an unjust > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies > could control > >middle eastern oil. > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, > went to baghdad as a > >human shield along with 50 other children of > diplomats including sasha > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign > minister). > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental > records in > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure > law. > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm > was used in gulf 2. > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland > security acts. wake up > >ppl. > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm > extremely pleased he is > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to > worry about who is > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to > continue this off > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to > tons of mainstream > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions > were presented > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 > isn't over by a long > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across > asia. > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea > and that's when korea > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and > electricity to > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with > out heat or lights > >in winter. > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, > descended from several rev > >war ancestors. > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if > they publically voice > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much > for the land of the > >free. > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > Bith, > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go > I won't believe it, > >no > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. > Over the years I have > > > found > > > most of the information given to constituents is > done just to appease > > > for a > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his > mouth off about other > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his > own country. I don't > > > believe > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information > Request > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago > at his annual Canada > > > >Day > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom > of Information Act, > > > >that we > > > >should > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very > supportive. > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I > can tell, becuase I > > > >just got > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his > constituents up to date with > > > >things. > > > > It > > > >was full of why Canada should not have > supported the USA and Britain > > > >in the > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my > government about.) > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have > anything but puppets > > > >though > > > >if > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a > liberal. Not all > > > >politicians > > > >have > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled > that correctly) to > > > >walk away > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with > what the party is > > > >doing. > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a > message to > > > >[email protected] > that contains > > > >(in the Subject line and body of the message) > the command > > > >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and > 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > > en francais > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > >Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > >en fran�ais > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do > you remember the > bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were > high..they > said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and > beat canadian > protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to > vancouver during an > APEC conference. > > read the the urls..then defend bush. > roz > > > On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does > enough of that for > > all of > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't > like western > > Canada. > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the > coalition of the willing > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the > graphs showing the > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then > get surfing the > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that > gulf 2 was an unjust > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil > buddies could control > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, > went to baghdad as > > >a > > >human shield along with 50 other children of > diplomats including > > >sasha > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's > foreign minister). > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental > records in > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure > law. > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that > napalm was used in gulf > > >2. > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland > security acts. wake up > > >ppl. > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm > extremely pleased he > > >is > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to > worry about who is > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to > continue this off > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to > tons of mainstream > > >media reports..to the usa senate where > resolutions were presented > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 > isn't over by a long > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline > across asia. > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea > and that's when > > >korea > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat > and electricity to > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg > with out heat or > > >lights > > >in winter. > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, > descended from several > > >rev > > >war ancestors. > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if > they publically > > >voice > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so > much for the land of > > >the > > >free. > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census > go I won't believe > > > > it, > > >no > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. > Over the years I > > > > have > > > > found > > > > most of the information given to constituents > is done just to > > > > appease > > > > for a > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running > his mouth off about > > > > other > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his > own country. I > > > > don't > > > > believe > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information > Request > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years > ago at his annual > > > > >Canada > > > > >Day > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom > of Information > Act, > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > >should > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very > supportive. > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I > can tell, becuase > > > > >I > > > > >just got > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his > constituents up to date > > > > >with > > > > >things. > > > > > It > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have > supported the USA and > > > > >Britain > > > > >in the > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with > my government > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to > have anything but > > > > >puppets > > > > >though > > > > >if > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a > liberal. Not all > > > > >politicians > > > > >have > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I > spelled that correctly) > > > > >to > > > > >walk away > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree > with what the party > > > > >is > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a > message to > > > > >[email protected] > that contains > > > > >(in the Subject line and body of the message) > the command > > > > >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection > and 2 months FREE* > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > > > en francais > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > >Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > >en francais > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a > message to > > [email protected] that > contains > > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the > command > > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:32:30 -0600 > From: "Lori Lauen" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your > views and I have mine > but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not > be running down > countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. > Back to the 1911 census > our government is wasting time that could be better > spent on something else > talking about this census that should have just went > through considering it > is 92 yrs. > > Lori > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > >"[email protected]" > ><[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > > > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do > you remember the > >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices > were high..they > >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and > beat canadian > >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to > vancouver during an > >APEC conference. > > > >read the the urls..then defend bush. > >roz > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien > does enough of that for > > > all of > > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he > don't like western > > > Canada. > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information > Request > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the > coalition of the willing > > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the > graphs showing the > > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and > then get surfing the > > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that > gulf 2 was an unjust > > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil > buddies could control > > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau > mary, went to baghdad as > > > >a > > > >human shield along with 50 other children of > diplomats including > > > >sasha > > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's > foreign minister). > > > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental > records in > > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year > disclosure law. > > > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that > napalm was used in gulf > > > >2. > > > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland > security acts. wake up > > > >ppl. > > > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm > extremely pleased he > > > >is > > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have > to worry about who is > > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like > to continue this off > > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you > to tons of mainstream > > > >media reports..to the usa senate where > resolutions were presented > > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 > isn't over by a long > > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline > across asia. > > > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to > korea and that's when > > > >korea > > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat > and electricity to > > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg > with out heat or > > > >lights > > > >in winter. > > > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, > descended from several > > > >rev > > > >war ancestors. > > > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but > if they publically > > > >voice > > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so > much for the land of > > > >the > > > >free. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census > go I won't believe > > > > > it, > > > >no > > > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done > deal. Over the years I > > > > > have > > > > > found > > > > > most of the information given to > constituents is done just to > > > > > appease > > > > > for a > > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running > his mouth off about > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running > his own country. I > > > > > don't > > > > > believe > > > > > anything that comes from him or his > followers. > > > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information > Request > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years > ago at his annual > > > > > >Canada > > > > > >Day > > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the > Freedom of Information > >Act, > > > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > > >should > > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very > supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. > I can tell, becuase > > > > > >I > > > > > >just got > > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his > constituents up to date > > > > > >with > > > > > >things. > > > > > > It > > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have > supported the USA and > > > > > >Britain > > > > > >in the > > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree > with my government > > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to > have anything but > > > > > >puppets > > > > > >though > > > > > >if > > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a > liberal. Not all > > > > > >politicians > > > > > >have > > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I > spelled that correctly) > > > > > >to > > > > > >walk away > > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree > with what the party > > > > > >is > > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List > ==== > > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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Hi List, I don't suppose Jean will be taking up my challenge any time soon. Nevertheless, it was worth a try. Martyn in Peterborough ----- Original Message ----- From: Prime Minister/Premier ministre To: [email protected] Cc: Allan Rock Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Census data Dear Mr. Obbard: On behalf of the Right Honourable Jean Chrétien, I would like to thank you for your e-mail regarding Bill S-13, an Act to amend the Statistics Act. You may be assured that the comments you offered have been carefully reviewed. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your e-mail to the Honourable Allan Rock, Minister of Industry, within whose responsibilities this matter falls. I am certain that the Minister will give your views every consideration. M. Bredeson Executive Correspondence Officer Agent de correspondance de la haute direction >>> "Martyn Obbard" <[email protected]> 25-05-03 9 :28:10 AM >>> Dear Prime Minister Chretien, Recently, Senator Lorna Milne sponsored a bill in the Senate (Bill S-13 'An Act to amend the Statistics Act') intended to ensure that Canadians have access to census information taken after 1910 following a suitable delay for release of information. Bill S-13 received First Reading on February 5, 2003. The genealogical community in Canada sought to have several amendments made to the Bill, but this effort was unsuccessful at the committee stage in April 2003. Bill S-13 is currently undergoing debate on Third Reading in the Senate. As a genealogist and family historian, I have serious reservations about the current bill and I am hopeful that when the Bill is sent to the House of Commons amendments may still be made. I would like to elaborate on the concerns I have about Bill S-13 as it is currently written. I do not oppose Bill S-13 as a whole, but do oppose what I believe to be the unnecessary restrictions the bill places on access to historic records. 1. I recommend removal of Clause 8, the so-called "informed consent" clause for censuses taken in 2006 or later. If this clause is retained it will jeopardise forever the usefulness of future census data for historical, scientific, or demographic research. This is because if citizens do not bother to check the "Opt-in" box, by default their information will not be available to researchers in the future. The net result will be a fragmented and incomplete database. If Clause 8 is not removed, then I advocate that it be changed to make it an "Opt-out" choice rather than an "Opt-in" choice. In this way, only those who have carefully considered the issue and specifically object to their information being released after 92 years would have their information protected from access. 2. If Clause 8 is retained, even if changed to an "Opt-out" format, then the census form should be re-designed so that basic "tombstone" and occupation information is at the front of the document and by default is "Opt-in". More detailed personal information, such as requested in the long form of the census, should be in the second part of the form with a clearly explained "Opt-out" choice. 3. I advocate removing all restrictions or conditions for access for at least the 1911 and 1916 records of census. These censuses were conducted under the same legislation and instructions to enumerators as the 1906 census. As you know, the 1906 census was recently released without restrictions of any kind and is accessible on-line for access by researchers around the world. The success of similar on-line exercises in Britain and the U.S. should convince the government that they can actually make money by allowing genealogists access to the information. This can be accomplished either through a license fee to a commercial company as is done with the Scottish census and vital records, or through a government site as is done with the English and Welsh records. 4. I advocate removal of the additional 20-year period beyond the 92-year restriction, where only partial disclosure of information found in census records (i.e., "tombstone" information) would be allowed, and the need for researchers to agree to an "undertaking" regarding this partial closure. Statistics Canada did not demonstrate that there was any need for these additional restrictions. These additional restrictions will not add to the privacy of respondents to the census (almost all of whom will be dead 92 years after the census was conducted), and they do not prevent information from being known as any researcher could uncover the same information. The additional restrictions are onerous and will only create a costly bureaucracy required to monitor those who have accessed the information. These proposed additional restrictions are provocative and particularly mean-spirited. Note that census records in the United States are fully disclosed after only 70 years, meaning that the U.S. 1930 census is currently freely available while Canadians struggle to gain access to the 1911 census data! Thank you for taking the time to listen to my views on Bill S-13. I have considered you to be a champion for ordinary Canadians throughout your political career. As your long contribution to the political life of Canada comes to an end, I urge you to ensure that as part of your legacy to Canada, ordinary Canadians now and in the future will have unrestricted access to the information on their ancestors that is contained in the census data. You or your staff could obtain additional information from Senator Milne, or from my Member of Parliament, Peter Adams, who supports release of the census data. Additional information on the issue may be found at: http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ Sincerely, Martyn Obbard R.R.#1, Peterborough, ON

Hey there everyone: I just wanted to let you all know that S-13 was introduced in the House of Commons yesterday where it passed first reading. This is a pro-forma stage where there is no debate. As soon as I know when it will come up for second reading, I will let you know. Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965