Thought that some of the information here may be helpful to the list in the gneration of ideas in regard to placing emphasizing on the work of the family historian /genealogist. Unfortunately the TV series may be too late for Bill S-13. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Rick Roberts NEW GLOBAL GAZETTE ARTICLES Canadian Prime Minister Announces "History Centre" http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed94.htm Subjects Wanted For Television Series on Canadian Genealogy http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed94a.htm Family Tree Maker Day, June 14 -Woodstock http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed94c.htm Family Tree Maker Day, Sep 26 -Ottawa http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed94b.htm Upcoming Family History & Heritage Events http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/events/events.htm

Eileen and All You can look at the campaign in England to have their 1911 Census released early. To see the evidence that we have presented to Mr Beith, you'll need to visit our website at http://home.clara.net/denis.mccready/ Patricia Corney, BHCD Quakertown, PA USA [email protected] Email scanned in and out by Norton 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: [CCC] 1911 England Does anyone have any info regarding the 1911 census for England? Is it not due to be released as well? My mother would be 4 years old in that census, she has been dead for 48 years. I am looking forward to seeing it. Thanks,Eileen ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at http://globalgazette.net

Thanks all I can only hope to hang on that long! Eileen

Just a note for those who are interested in genealogy and census issues. This coming Tuesday evening, June 3rd, I am speaking to the Whitby - Oshawa Branch, Ontario Genealogical Society. The topic is: "Census and Sensibility: Making enumeration's count in your family history research". The theme of the lecture will be to show you how to effectively use census records in your research. The examples used will be of value to researchers in Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland and / or The United States. Basically aimed for the beginner or intermediate levels of genealogist, hopefully there will be something for everyone. At least come on out and meet with fellow genealogists who have similar interests as you do. I will also have a copies of the Canadian Government "Access to Information Request Form" to distribute to all attendees, in able to help facilitate requests for access to the 1911 census. The venue is the Arts Resource Centre, 45 Queen Street, Oshawa, Ontario. Time is 7:30 p.m. See you there ... Cheers! Brian J. Brian Gilchrist Genealogical and Archival research analyst, Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway, ETOBICOKE, Ontario M9A 5E2 [email protected] "I have the reputation of being fearless and decided, and whether correct or not, it saves me much trouble." - written by the Honourable and Right Reverend John Strachan, 1st Anglican Bishop of Toronto in 1846.

Juanita:- Some of these reasons might be WHY the census bill was written. Could THEY be protecting our feelings? Would it be too difficult for us to accept? No, I think not!! I know those with disabilities were barred -- but in our respective families, these often provide clues to present-day illesses for which families do not have an answer. Keep researching! These are things we should know, but are not taught in our schools - ver understandable! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] =============== ----- Original Message ----- Hi, My research which is mainly Scottish/Acadian-French in Cape Breton, I am not likely to venture into areas of those belonging to other ethnic groups. Needless to say I am getting an eye-opener, lately on just what the census can be used for besides wanting to know about Grandma and Pa. Where they were born. Their birth dates. Who was living with them etc. On Feb. 11, 2003, I posted an article on Bill S-13, 'With a little touch of Cape Breton Flavour. In that article I referred to Gr. grandaunt Lucy with a few loose screws. "DISABILITIES, deaf, dumb, blind, mentally retarded, crippled. If any of the disabilities came down through the family, we probably already know the answer to that one, though not the particular family member's name. Would they really nail you if you said Great grandaunt Lucy, had a few loose screws?" Her fate may not have been 'being just the loveable aunt in her family everyone cared for', if her name had been on the 1911 census. If she was Ukrainian, German, Pole, Bulgarian etc. she would have been classified 'Enemy Alien' and required to register under the War Measures Act 1914, her presence may not have been so welcome in Canada. http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/primeministers/h4-4043-e.html "The results of the Committee's labours are embodied in a "War Book", which sets forth in great detail necessary measures to be taken upon the outbreak of war and carefully considered arrangements for carrying out these measures without delay or confusion. The work of the Committee is largely carried on by sub-committees, which are often constituted in part by persons who are not members of the general committee and who are selected for their special knowledge of a particular subject." Being a fairly recent immigrant sometime during the preceding years, (or even a first generation Canadian) she as well as many others would have come under far more scrutiny. She may even have been deported. http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/canada1891/ch5.html "The Immigration Act of 1906 halted the earlier policy of free entry. The new act provided for the deportation of immigrants who might become public charges, or infirm. By 1914, the prohibited classes widened to include the: feeble-minded, insane, idiots, imbeciles, persons afflicted with tuberculosis or any other loathsome disease (unless the disease was treatable on board ship or at dockside medical facilities). It also banned the mute, blind, or otherwise physically defective, unless self-supporting. Persons convicted of "... any crime involving moral turpitude, prostitutes, pimps, professional vagrants or beggars could not enter." Immigrants to whom charitable monies for the purpose of enabling them to qualify for Canada's immigration requirements were likely unfit as were alcoholics, psychopaths, and public charges. In 1907 the government began to require between $25 and $50 in landing money from everyone except agricultural workers, domestic servants, and family members seeking reunification with family already in Canada. In 1908, controls along the American border reduced the incoming flow of Americans. (from: The Immigration Act and Regulations (Ottawa: King's Printer 1919) effective July 14, 1914)" What if she was just eccentric, quite capable of caring for herself in comfortable circumstances but not particularly liked in the community. Her ethnic background could bring her under suspicion. http://www.educ.sfu.ca/cels/past_art28.html "Other less concrete reasons given for internment included "acting in a very suspicious manner" and being "undesirable". By the middle of 1915, 4000 of the internees had been imprisoned for being "indigent" (poor and unemployed). A total of 8,579 Canadians were interned between 1914 and 1920. Over 5,000 of them were of Ukrainian descent. Germans, Poles, Italians, Bulgarians, Croatians, Turks, Serbians, Hungarians, Russians, Jews, and Romanians were also imprisoned. Of the 8,579 internees, only 2,321 could be classed as "prisoners of war" (i.e. "captured in arms or belonging to enemy reserves"); the rest were civilians. Upon each individual's arrest, whatever money and property they had was taken by the government. In the internment camps they were denied access to newspapers and their correspondence was censored. They were sometimes mistreated by the guards. One hundred and seven internees died, including several shot while trying to escape. They were forced to work on maintaining the camps, road-building, railway construction, and mining. As the need for soldiers overseas led to a shortage of workers in Canada, many of these internees were released on parole to work for private companies." Up till now I basically concentrated on clause 8 of Bill S-13, because I saw immediately the potential harm this could cause not only for genealogical/historical research, but for all Canadians. Though I didn't like the other clauses, I knew that I could live with them, even if they were shoved down my throat. It has bothered me considerably the way the Bill S-13 was worded, and thought long and hard that there had to be a reason for it. I really hadn't grasped any other reason than Dr. Fellegi's outright refusal about releasing the censuses and being told about legislation that prohibits it (which no one apparently has produced for anyone to examine). It would seem that I was missing something in the equation. But what? How about WWI itself. When I search for records from WWI, I am searching for soldiers of that war that were family members and fought for Canada. My family history goes back another 100 plus years in Canada and my husbands 100 more than that. So my search of the 1911 and 1916 (when they are released) would be basically to find out where family members were at. I definitely would not be looking for someone in a concentration camp. If I was Ukrainian, German, Pole, Italian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Jewish etc. and the family came here circa 1900-1906 and settled in one of the Prairie Provinces, the census records would provide much more information. The year of immigration to Canada, where they were living in 1906 and than 1911. Once war broke out in 1914, and the War Measures Act invoked the 1916 census search, (Prairie Provinces census only) would become vitally important. It would either turn up the family in a concentration camp in the West or the family not listed. This could mean that they were possibly moved to concentration camps in the east. As the 1916 census was only of the Prairie Provinces, than the 1921 census would than become important to find out where missing family members were if they had remained in the east after their release in 1920. Maybe a family member had been deported from Canada. The descendants of the 8,579 Interned Canadians should not to wait 20 years before they would be allowed to publish their family story including what they found on the census records. As it is it will take some of them till 2013 (release of 1921 census) before they can fill in all the details especially if there aren't survivors in the family of this generation. The Immigrants paid a high price for Freedom. Are their descendants going to pay it again with 'Censorship' on what they can or can not make public for 20 yrs. Regards Juanita MacDonald --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03

Does anyone have any info regarding the 1911 census for England? Is it not due to be released as well? My mother would be 4 years old in that census, she has been dead for 48 years. I am looking forward to seeing it. Thanks,Eileen

Hi, My research which is mainly Scottish/Acadian-French in Cape Breton, I am not likely to venture into areas of those belonging to other ethnic groups. Needless to say I am getting an eye-opener, lately on just what the census can be used for besides wanting to know about Grandma and Pa. Where they were born. Their birth dates. Who was living with them etc. On Feb. 11, 2003, I posted an article on Bill S-13, 'With a little touch of Cape Breton Flavour. In that article I referred to Gr. grandaunt Lucy with a few loose screws. "DISABILITIES, deaf, dumb, blind, mentally retarded, crippled. If any of the disabilities came down through the family, we probably already know the answer to that one, though not the particular family member's name. Would they really nail you if you said Great grandaunt Lucy, had a few loose screws?" Her fate may not have been 'being just the loveable aunt in her family everyone cared for', if her name had been on the 1911 census. If she was Ukrainian, German, Pole, Bulgarian etc. she would have been classified 'Enemy Alien' and required to register under the War Measures Act 1914, her presence may not have been so welcome in Canada. http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/primeministers/h4-4043-e.html "The results of the Committee's labours are embodied in a "War Book", which sets forth in great detail necessary measures to be taken upon the outbreak of war and carefully considered arrangements for carrying out these measures without delay or confusion. The work of the Committee is largely carried on by sub-committees, which are often constituted in part by persons who are not members of the general committee and who are selected for their special knowledge of a particular subject." Being a fairly recent immigrant sometime during the preceding years, (or even a first generation Canadian) she as well as many others would have come under far more scrutiny. She may even have been deported. http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/canada1891/ch5.html "The Immigration Act of 1906 halted the earlier policy of free entry. The new act provided for the deportation of immigrants who might become public charges, or infirm. By 1914, the prohibited classes widened to include the: feeble-minded, insane, idiots, imbeciles, persons afflicted with tuberculosis or any other loathsome disease (unless the disease was treatable on board ship or at dockside medical facilities). It also banned the mute, blind, or otherwise physically defective, unless self-supporting. Persons convicted of "... any crime involving moral turpitude, prostitutes, pimps, professional vagrants or beggars could not enter." Immigrants to whom charitable monies for the purpose of enabling them to qualify for Canada's immigration requirements were likely unfit as were alcoholics, psychopaths, and public charges. In 1907 the government began to require between $25 and $50 in landing money from everyone except agricultural workers, domestic servants, and family members seeking reunification with family already in Canada. In 1908, controls along the American border reduced the incoming flow of Americans. (from: The Immigration Act and Regulations (Ottawa: King's Printer 1919) effective July 14, 1914)" What if she was just eccentric, quite capable of caring for herself in comfortable circumstances but not particularly liked in the community. Her ethnic background could bring her under suspicion. http://www.educ.sfu.ca/cels/past_art28.html "Other less concrete reasons given for internment included "acting in a very suspicious manner" and being "undesirable". By the middle of 1915, 4000 of the internees had been imprisoned for being "indigent" (poor and unemployed). A total of 8,579 Canadians were interned between 1914 and 1920. Over 5,000 of them were of Ukrainian descent. Germans, Poles, Italians, Bulgarians, Croatians, Turks, Serbians, Hungarians, Russians, Jews, and Romanians were also imprisoned. Of the 8,579 internees, only 2,321 could be classed as "prisoners of war" (i.e. "captured in arms or belonging to enemy reserves"); the rest were civilians. Upon each individual's arrest, whatever money and property they had was taken by the government. In the internment camps they were denied access to newspapers and their correspondence was censored. They were sometimes mistreated by the guards. One hundred and seven internees died, including several shot while trying to escape. They were forced to work on maintaining the camps, road-building, railway construction, and mining. As the need for soldiers overseas led to a shortage of workers in Canada, many of these internees were released on parole to work for private companies." Up till now I basically concentrated on clause 8 of Bill S-13, because I saw immediately the potential harm this could cause not only for genealogical/historical research, but for all Canadians. Though I didn't like the other clauses, I knew that I could live with them, even if they were shoved down my throat. It has bothered me considerably the way the Bill S-13 was worded, and thought long and hard that there had to be a reason for it. I really hadn't grasped any other reason than Dr. Fellegi's outright refusal about releasing the censuses and being told about legislation that prohibits it (which no one apparently has produced for anyone to examine). It would seem that I was missing something in the equation. But what? How about WWI itself. When I search for records from WWI, I am searching for soldiers of that war that were family members and fought for Canada. My family history goes back another 100 plus years in Canada and my husbands 100 more than that. So my search of the 1911 and 1916 (when they are released) would be basically to find out where family members were at. I definitely would not be looking for someone in a concentration camp. If I was Ukrainian, German, Pole, Italian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Jewish etc. and the family came here circa 1900-1906 and settled in one of the Prairie Provinces, the census records would provide much more information. The year of immigration to Canada, where they were living in 1906 and than 1911. Once war broke out in 1914, and the War Measures Act invoked the 1916 census search, (Prairie Provinces census only) would become vitally important. It would either turn up the family in a concentration camp in the West or the family not listed. This could mean that they were possibly moved to concentration camps in the east. As the 1916 census was only of the Prairie Provinces, than the 1921 census would than become important to find out where missing family members were if they had remained in the east after their release in 1920. Maybe a family member had been deported from Canada. The descendants of the 8,579 Interned Canadians should not to wait 20 years before they would be allowed to publish their family story including what they found on the census records. As it is it will take some of them till 2013 (release of 1921 census) before they can fill in all the details especially if there aren't survivors in the family of this generation. The Immigrants paid a high price for Freedom. Are their descendants going to pay it again with 'Censorship' on what they can or can not make public for 20 yrs. Regards Juanita MacDonald

Ouch!

Hello Kathy & Pete:- First of all, to which mail list(s) are you subscribed? How long have you been working on genealogy? Long ago, I found one of the best sources, along with church records, were our Canadian census records. We were fine for over 200 years, including 1901, Canada-wide and on January 24, 2003, the 1906 census was released intact for three western provinces: Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Since March, 1999, the Canada Census Committee with leaders Senator Lorna Milne in the Senate and Murray Calder in the House of Commons, have been working our respective butts off for people like you -- ones who work in genealogy. One hard-nosed bureaucrat - neither elected or appointed, is the one keeping the 1911 and later census records from you and I. The only place laws may be changed is in Parliament -- in Ottawa. Bill S-13 was passed in the Senate with restrictions intact. It has been presented in the House of Commons for the First Reading and we hope for amendments to remove restrictions. Should you EVER wish the 1911 census records, please stop griping, delete or send in an Access to Information form. Bet you do not know if your Member of Parliament is supportive -- if curious, ask me. You may forward this above reply to any person who feels we are being "political" == help out -- messages will soon stop! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, Ontario http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy & Pete DYER To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: stop Could you please tell me what any of this political stuff has to do with genealogy? And please stop forwarding it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Hi List; Because I am moving house on Monday I will be unsubscribing for a few days. Malcolm in Calgary, Alberta

Hi Ron and All, I don't know the names of all newspapers in Canada. If anyone would care to mail it to their newpapers by all means go ahead. The reason I choose the National Post was because it was their paper that I read about the Canada History Centre. My own paper the Cape Breton Post didn't even mention it. I have discovered newspapers don't seem to publish much information on the Canada Census Campaign issue. Nor have I read in the 'Letters to the Editor' column letters written about this issue. Least not the papers I read. If there is anything it seems to be buried do deep in the paper, you are lucky to find it. I have an idea, "Why don't the list members compose their own open letter to the Prime Minister." Send it to the National Post <[email protected]>. Don't forget to send it also to the Prime Minister <[email protected]> Maybe if they got enough letters on the it... they might finally realize that there is a great deal of interest in the subject. I am not just referring to the genealogical/hitorical community. I have spoken to many people and many of them have the same impression that the records that the government has gathered belong to the people of Canada including our census records. It is just a thought, 'Greig Neiman' in Jan. 2003 sure sat up and took notice when we wrote to him. Maybe the National Post would do the same. Regards Juanita MacDonald Ronald Chester wrote: > I think that a copy of this letter should be sent as an open letter to all > the newspapers. What say you? > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: joseph macdonald [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CCC] OPEN LETTER TO THE RIGHT HON. JEAN CRÉTIEN, PRIME > MINISTER OF CANADA

To all having questions regarding the ATI requests. Information regarding what to do and where to send requests is on the the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. In making your request it is not necessary to detail who in the Census records you are seeking. It is sufficient to state only that you seek access to the 1911 records of Census. If you detail a search for a particular individual you may be advised to make a request under the Census Microfilm and Pension Search. This program is not what we want at this time, and it would cost $48.15 to conduct a search You can simply write a letter to submit your ATI request, or use the form for which there is a link provided on our website. If you choose to use the form, be advised that whether you use the URL given earlier, or use the link provided on our website, the form is coming from the same place. The form is likely to take a few minutes to download, particularly for those using a dial-up connection to the Internet. Be patient and it will come to you. The "Federal Government Institution" to send our requests to is Statistics Canada. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "HUNT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:35 AM Subject: [CCC] Federal Government Institution? This might seem dumb, but what "Federal Government Institution" do I put in the first box on the Access to Information Request Form? Also, what address do I send it to in Ottawa? In the "details" box I have written: "I would please request any and all census information contained in the 1911 census by accessing the records of my great grandfather, Charles Hunt,living in the District of Algoma, town of Rydal Bank, in accordance with the Privacy Act and Regulation 6(d." I'm preparing to mail it out June 2nd and want to make sure it's going to the right department and correct address. Thanks. L C Hunt

During the campaign of the past six years we have always advocated contacting the media and sending letters to the editor. The problem is that for the most part the media have ignored our efforts and do not view it as newsworthy. That is not to say that we should not continue trying to get their attention. Go for it. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Chester" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: [CCC] RE: [CCC] OPEN LETTER TO THE RIGHT HON. JEAN CRÉTIEN, PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA I think that a copy of this letter should be sent as an open letter to all the newspapers. What say you? Ron -----Original Message----- From: joseph macdonald [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CCC] OPEN LETTER TO THE RIGHT HON. JEAN CRÉTIEN, PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA Dear Right Hon. Jean Crétien, Prime Minister of Canada, WOW! 90 million dollars for a Canada History Centre. In Ottawa where the vast majority of Canadians have never been. Did the Gov't invite any of the ordinary Canadians who have written thousands of letters to you Prime Minister, the MPs and Senators for the 'Release of the Post 1901 Census after 92 yrs of closure? Did they receive an engraved personal invitation? ... Not likely! Why? Could it be Prime Minister, you would have got a real sense of what Canada is all about? Instead of dismissing as criticism, and accusing the Alliance of being short-sighted. "I now know why the Alliance is going nowhere, because they have absolutely no sense of what Canada is all about," you said. Have you lost sight of the Canadian people? No doubt Prime Minister you are well aware of Canada's Political History. Do they really need this monument to pat themselves on the back? When so many Canadians are being dismissed for just trying to get by in life and others trying to preserve their Canadian heritage, for their descendants. How about a monument to the millions of UNKNOWN CANADIANS? Their names are housed in the Statistics Bureau of Canada. Think of the millions of dollars, Prime Minister you could save the Canadian taxpayer. Nothing elaborate, just a man, woman and child in neck-irons attached to a chain with a padlock on it at the doors of Statistics Canada. For there Prime Minister is where the vast majority of the names of our ancestors are stored on census records. It is there where Statistics Canada wants to keep them, with limits and restrictions on access. It is there where Statscan wants to sever the ties of future Canadians with their past. It is there from which sprang the roots of the illustrious Bill S-13 (passed in the Senate on May 27, 2003). It already had its first reading in the House of Commons (May 28, 2003). A bill made to order for Statistics Canada to manipulate the present generations to help Statistics Canada to deny Canadians, their past, present and future with Clause 8 in Bill S-13 'Amendment to the Statistics Act:' "(8) The information contained in the returns of any census of population taken in 2006 or later may, starting ninety-two years after the census is taken, be examined by anyone if the person to whom the information relates had, at the time of the census, "given their consent to disclosure" of that information." My "8 reasons" for the removal of this clause or change its wording are still the same as they were on my submission paper to the Senate Standing Committee, which you have a copy of along with earlier correspondence date April 17th, 2003, which I will enclose here once again for reference: 1. Statistics Canada by including a 'consent of disclosure', would be permitted to discriminate against the very people they require information from. This would permit them to ask far more intrusive questions than they already do. If I do not agree with the question that they are asking, I am still compelled by law to fill in the census form. 2. It would take away the 'historical value' of the census. It would permit Canadians to deny access to anyone including their children from accessing and taking pride in who they are, their families are and their Heritage as well as being a Canadian. Many Canadians that pursue genealogical and historical research, came to a greater understanding of the country by learning about their own history first. I don't think that you would find in this country prouder Canadians anywhere than those among the genealogical and historical community. 3. Future Governments of Canada would be severely hampered by such a clause. People would become more distrustful of a Government. Especially one that was telling them the Government had a right to know, yet they could deny their own families the same right. It would also open the Government to be run by those who's only interest is Greed and Power and not the true interests and welfare of Canadians. 4. By permitting a 'consent of disclosure,' great expense would be incurred by the Government. At present census forms are delivered to each home, they are filled out by the head of the household, for everyone living within the household unit. 'A disclosure clause would require Statistics Canada to deliver to every individual in Canada a census form. If not disharmony would be caused in each household by giving the right to one individual to decide for the occupants of that particular household whether or not to be included. Such expenses would occur in the doubling if not tripling the amount of censuses presently needed, and the printers cost. Extra staff having to be hired at Statistics Canada do to increased work load. 5. Businesses and Industries that now hire Statistics Canada to do research for them, would fine this clause immensely pleasing to them as the more personal questions that are on the census, the less it would cost them to do their own research or hire Statistics Canada to do it for them. 6. A 'consent to disclosure,' is downright UN-CANADIAN. I was born in this country, my roots are in this country. I have chosen freely to remain in this country. I am part of Canada, and it's my heritage. Immigrants that have come to this country and made it their home, and choose to remain here are part of Canada and it's heritage. Now Statistics Canada wants to give us (those born here) and them (immigrants) an option of whether or not they want to be included as part of Canada's heritage. The only people who have a right to choose NOT to be a part of Canada's heritage are those of other countries who choose NOT TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 7. I am left wondering, "What right does Statistics Canada have contemplating asking such private questions starting in 2006, that I would deny disclosure of those answers, 92 years later?" 8. Statistics Canada is bound by the oath of Secrecy, not to reveal the information contained on a census, that could possibly identify any particular individual at the present time. I respect that. After 92 years the censuses are turned over to the National Archives and should come under their authority. Statistics Canada should not however be given the right to possibly cause a fragmentation of Canada's heritage, by including ' a right to deny disclosure clause' on any census after 92 years. I have nothing against your Canada History Centre, displaying Canada's political history, just as long as it shows ALL "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly." BUT! If Bill S-13 'An Act to Amend the Statistics Act,' goes through and becomes law as presently worded, I do think a monument to the UNKNOWN CANADIANS in front of the Statistics Dept. would be more appropriate as a legacy. Sincerely Juanita MacDonald Whycocomagh, N.S. Canada, B0E 3M0 cc: The Canada Census Campaign. <[email protected]> The National Post. <[email protected]> ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Eileen and all. I note that Gordon has already given the government link for the ATI form. It is also available through a link on the Post 1901 Census Project website. Our website also gives the procedure for submitting the ATI request and where to Complain to the Information Commissioner when our requests are denied. Complaints to the Information Commissioner are an essential part of our strategy in making the ATI requests. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: [CCC] ATI form Would someone please give me the website for the ATI form? I had it sometime ago but didn't have any luck accessing the website at that time. Thanks,Eileen

I live in the U.S., but have relatives and ancestors in Canada. The requirement that requests for archival information be from a Canadian citizen or resident is not new, and not just for this situation. If you are not either of the above, you can either write to an elected representative in the locale your relatives are from/in (as Gordon suggested), or find someone in Canada to submit a request with their name and address. And yes, according to the form I have, you can be a Canadian citizen living elsewhere. Hilary Henkin Atlanta, Georgia At 10:18 PM 5/29/03 -0500, Beth Ostriyznick wrote: >To everyone on the list > I feel that is very unfair to all of the Canadians who have moved to > the United States as a requirement of employment etc and whose families > are still located in Canada. As I am the one currently researching our > family, it would be impossible for me to obtain the records needed to > research our families. However, my question would be how can they verify > the information that will be filled in on these forms? I could very > easily use my sister's name and address on the form in Canada or at least > my name and her address. I still don't see how they can fully regulate > this release especially considering how many people tried to access the > 1901 release. >Beth

I think that a copy of this letter should be sent as an open letter to all the newspapers. What say you? Ron -----Original Message----- From: joseph macdonald [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CCC] OPEN LETTER TO THE RIGHT HON. JEAN CRÉTIEN, PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA Dear Right Hon. Jean Crétien, Prime Minister of Canada, WOW! 90 million dollars for a Canada History Centre. In Ottawa where the vast majority of Canadians have never been. Did the Gov't invite any of the ordinary Canadians who have written thousands of letters to you Prime Minister, the MPs and Senators for the 'Release of the Post 1901 Census after 92 yrs of closure? Did they receive an engraved personal invitation? ... Not likely! Why? Could it be Prime Minister, you would have got a real sense of what Canada is all about? Instead of dismissing as criticism, and accusing the Alliance of being short-sighted. "I now know why the Alliance is going nowhere, because they have absolutely no sense of what Canada is all about," you said. Have you lost sight of the Canadian people? No doubt Prime Minister you are well aware of Canada's Political History. Do they really need this monument to pat themselves on the back? When so many Canadians are being dismissed for just trying to get by in life and others trying to preserve their Canadian heritage, for their descendants. How about a monument to the millions of UNKNOWN CANADIANS? Their names are housed in the Statistics Bureau of Canada. Think of the millions of dollars, Prime Minister you could save the Canadian taxpayer. Nothing elaborate, just a man, woman and child in neck-irons attached to a chain with a padlock on it at the doors of Statistics Canada. For there Prime Minister is where the vast majority of the names of our ancestors are stored on census records. It is there where Statistics Canada wants to keep them, with limits and restrictions on access. It is there where Statscan wants to sever the ties of future Canadians with their past. It is there from which sprang the roots of the illustrious Bill S-13 (passed in the Senate on May 27, 2003). It already had its first reading in the House of Commons (May 28, 2003). A bill made to order for Statistics Canada to manipulate the present generations to help Statistics Canada to deny Canadians, their past, present and future with Clause 8 in Bill S-13 'Amendment to the Statistics Act:' "(8) The information contained in the returns of any census of population taken in 2006 or later may, starting ninety-two years after the census is taken, be examined by anyone if the person to whom the information relates had, at the time of the census, "given their consent to disclosure" of that information." My "8 reasons" for the removal of this clause or change its wording are still the same as they were on my submission paper to the Senate Standing Committee, which you have a copy of along with earlier correspondence date April 17th, 2003, which I will enclose here once again for reference: 1. Statistics Canada by including a 'consent of disclosure', would be permitted to discriminate against the very people they require information from. This would permit them to ask far more intrusive questions than they already do. If I do not agree with the question that they are asking, I am still compelled by law to fill in the census form. 2. It would take away the 'historical value' of the census. It would permit Canadians to deny access to anyone including their children from accessing and taking pride in who they are, their families are and their Heritage as well as being a Canadian. Many Canadians that pursue genealogical and historical research, came to a greater understanding of the country by learning about their own history first. I don't think that you would find in this country prouder Canadians anywhere than those among the genealogical and historical community. 3. Future Governments of Canada would be severely hampered by such a clause. People would become more distrustful of a Government. Especially one that was telling them the Government had a right to know, yet they could deny their own families the same right. It would also open the Government to be run by those who's only interest is Greed and Power and not the true interests and welfare of Canadians. 4. By permitting a 'consent of disclosure,' great expense would be incurred by the Government. At present census forms are delivered to each home, they are filled out by the head of the household, for everyone living within the household unit. 'A disclosure clause would require Statistics Canada to deliver to every individual in Canada a census form. If not disharmony would be caused in each household by giving the right to one individual to decide for the occupants of that particular household whether or not to be included. Such expenses would occur in the doubling if not tripling the amount of censuses presently needed, and the printers cost. Extra staff having to be hired at Statistics Canada do to increased work load. 5. Businesses and Industries that now hire Statistics Canada to do research for them, would fine this clause immensely pleasing to them as the more personal questions that are on the census, the less it would cost them to do their own research or hire Statistics Canada to do it for them. 6. A 'consent to disclosure,' is downright UN-CANADIAN. I was born in this country, my roots are in this country. I have chosen freely to remain in this country. I am part of Canada, and it's my heritage. Immigrants that have come to this country and made it their home, and choose to remain here are part of Canada and it's heritage. Now Statistics Canada wants to give us (those born here) and them (immigrants) an option of whether or not they want to be included as part of Canada's heritage. The only people who have a right to choose NOT to be a part of Canada's heritage are those of other countries who choose NOT TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 7. I am left wondering, "What right does Statistics Canada have contemplating asking such private questions starting in 2006, that I would deny disclosure of those answers, 92 years later?" 8. Statistics Canada is bound by the oath of Secrecy, not to reveal the information contained on a census, that could possibly identify any particular individual at the present time. I respect that. After 92 years the censuses are turned over to the National Archives and should come under their authority. Statistics Canada should not however be given the right to possibly cause a fragmentation of Canada's heritage, by including ' a right to deny disclosure clause' on any census after 92 years. I have nothing against your Canada History Centre, displaying Canada's political history, just as long as it shows ALL "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly." BUT! If Bill S-13 'An Act to Amend the Statistics Act,' goes through and becomes law as presently worded, I do think a monument to the UNKNOWN CANADIANS in front of the Statistics Dept. would be more appropriate as a legacy. Sincerely Juanita MacDonald Whycocomagh, N.S. Canada, B0E 3M0 cc: The Canada Census Campaign. <[email protected]> The National Post. <[email protected]> ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

This might seem dumb, but what "Federal Government Institution" do I put in the first box on the Access to Information Request Form? Also, what address do I send it to in Ottawa? In the "details" box I have written: "I would please request any and all census information contained in the 1911 census by accessing the records of my great grandfather, Charles Hunt,living in the District of Algoma, town of Rydal Bank, in accordance with the Privacy Act and Regulation 6(d." I'm preparing to mail it out June 2nd and want to make sure it's going to the right department and correct address. Thanks. L C Hunt

Both the Access to Information Request Form and the Personal Information Request Form can be found at the following website address: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/gos-sog/forms/Acc-pri/Request-Frms_e.html It may be useful to consider that the submission of a request for access to personal information (such as that contained in the census documents) is a formal process that can, should access be denied, be appealed to the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. Gordon in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: May 30, 2003 1:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CCC] ATI form Would someone please give me the website for the ATI form? I had it sometime ago but didn't have any luck accessing the website at that time. Thanks, Eileen ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Dear Right Hon. Jean Crétien, Prime Minister of Canada, WOW! 90 million dollars for a Canada History Centre. In Ottawa where the vast majority of Canadians have never been. Did the Gov't invite any of the ordinary Canadians who have written thousands of letters to you Prime Minister, the MPs and Senators for the 'Release of the Post 1901 Census after 92 yrs of closure? Did they receive an engraved personal invitation? ... Not likely! Why? Could it be Prime Minister, you would have got a real sense of what Canada is all about? Instead of dismissing as criticism, and accusing the Alliance of being short-sighted. "I now know why the Alliance is going nowhere, because they have absolutely no sense of what Canada is all about," you said. Have you lost sight of the Canadian people? No doubt Prime Minister you are well aware of Canada's Political History. Do they really need this monument to pat themselves on the back? When so many Canadians are being dismissed for just trying to get by in life and others trying to preserve their Canadian heritage, for their descendants. How about a monument to the millions of UNKNOWN CANADIANS? Their names are housed in the Statistics Bureau of Canada. Think of the millions of dollars, Prime Minister you could save the Canadian taxpayer. Nothing elaborate, just a man, woman and child in neck-irons attached to a chain with a padlock on it at the doors of Statistics Canada. For there Prime Minister is where the vast majority of the names of our ancestors are stored on census records. It is there where Statistics Canada wants to keep them, with limits and restrictions on access. It is there where Statscan wants to sever the ties of future Canadians with their past. It is there from which sprang the roots of the illustrious Bill S-13 (passed in the Senate on May 27, 2003). It already had its first reading in the House of Commons (May 28, 2003). A bill made to order for Statistics Canada to manipulate the present generations to help Statistics Canada to deny Canadians, their past, present and future with Clause 8 in Bill S-13 'Amendment to the Statistics Act:' "(8) The information contained in the returns of any census of population taken in 2006 or later may, starting ninety-two years after the census is taken, be examined by anyone if the person to whom the information relates had, at the time of the census, "given their consent to disclosure" of that information." My "8 reasons" for the removal of this clause or change its wording are still the same as they were on my submission paper to the Senate Standing Committee, which you have a copy of along with earlier correspondence date April 17th, 2003, which I will enclose here once again for reference: 1. Statistics Canada by including a 'consent of disclosure', would be permitted to discriminate against the very people they require information from. This would permit them to ask far more intrusive questions than they already do. If I do not agree with the question that they are asking, I am still compelled by law to fill in the census form. 2. It would take away the 'historical value' of the census. It would permit Canadians to deny access to anyone including their children from accessing and taking pride in who they are, their families are and their Heritage as well as being a Canadian. Many Canadians that pursue genealogical and historical research, came to a greater understanding of the country by learning about their own history first. I don't think that you would find in this country prouder Canadians anywhere than those among the genealogical and historical community. 3. Future Governments of Canada would be severely hampered by such a clause. People would become more distrustful of a Government. Especially one that was telling them the Government had a right to know, yet they could deny their own families the same right. It would also open the Government to be run by those who's only interest is Greed and Power and not the true interests and welfare of Canadians. 4. By permitting a 'consent of disclosure,' great expense would be incurred by the Government. At present census forms are delivered to each home, they are filled out by the head of the household, for everyone living within the household unit. 'A disclosure clause would require Statistics Canada to deliver to every individual in Canada a census form. If not disharmony would be caused in each household by giving the right to one individual to decide for the occupants of that particular household whether or not to be included. Such expenses would occur in the doubling if not tripling the amount of censuses presently needed, and the printers cost. Extra staff having to be hired at Statistics Canada do to increased work load. 5. Businesses and Industries that now hire Statistics Canada to do research for them, would fine this clause immensely pleasing to them as the more personal questions that are on the census, the less it would cost them to do their own research or hire Statistics Canada to do it for them. 6. A 'consent to disclosure,' is downright UN-CANADIAN. I was born in this country, my roots are in this country. I have chosen freely to remain in this country. I am part of Canada, and it's my heritage. Immigrants that have come to this country and made it their home, and choose to remain here are part of Canada and it's heritage. Now Statistics Canada wants to give us (those born here) and them (immigrants) an option of whether or not they want to be included as part of Canada's heritage. The only people who have a right to choose NOT to be a part of Canada's heritage are those of other countries who choose NOT TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 7. I am left wondering, "What right does Statistics Canada have contemplating asking such private questions starting in 2006, that I would deny disclosure of those answers, 92 years later?" 8. Statistics Canada is bound by the oath of Secrecy, not to reveal the information contained on a census, that could possibly identify any particular individual at the present time. I respect that. After 92 years the censuses are turned over to the National Archives and should come under their authority. Statistics Canada should not however be given the right to possibly cause a fragmentation of Canada's heritage, by including ' a right to deny disclosure clause' on any census after 92 years. I have nothing against your Canada History Centre, displaying Canada's political history, just as long as it shows ALL "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly." BUT! If Bill S-13 'An Act to Amend the Statistics Act,' goes through and becomes law as presently worded, I do think a monument to the UNKNOWN CANADIANS in front of the Statistics Dept. would be more appropriate as a legacy. Sincerely Juanita MacDonald Whycocomagh, N.S. Canada, B0E 3M0 cc: The Canada Census Campaign. <[email protected]> The National Post. <[email protected]>

Hi Stella, I would imagine that not all Senators and MPs would be aware of what was done to the Ukrainians during WWI. There may be a lot of Ukrainians themselves that are not aware of this. It is though a part of Canada's history, as well as part of Canada's political history. It would be quite something to see this information on display when the Canada History Centre opens in Ottawa. I can imagine that this would be cause for concern where the release of the census' information is concerned. I am no expert on this, but once the 'War Measures Act' is invoked, 'privacy and confidentiality' would cease to exist for everyone. To me this would mean that if the names and addresses of 8,579 people who were considered 'enemy aliens' and another 80,000 people were required to register as 'enemy aliens' the best place to get all the names would be from the 1911 census. I could not see a government waiting to hear from every city, town, village or outback sending them the names of everyone they considered 'enemy aliens.' I have never really thought about the ethnic/cultural origin selection on the Canada census till now. The question on the 2001 census on ethnic origin with Statistics Canada's explanation for why it is asked. "While most people in Canada view themselves as Canadians, information on their ancestral origins has been collected since 1901 Census to capture the changing composition of Canada's diverse population. Therefore, this question refers to the origins of the person's ancestors. 17. To which ethnic or cultural group(s) did this person's ancestors belong? For example, Canadian, French, English, Chinese, Italian, German, Scottish, Irish, Cree, Micmac, Métis, Inuit (Eskimo), East Indian, Ukrainian, Dutch, Polish, Portuguese, Filipino, Jewish, Creek, Jamaican, Vietnamese, Lebanese, Chilean, Somali, etc. Specify as many groups as applicable (there are four spaces provided) After reading some of the information on the site last night about the 'Internment of Ukrainians' in concentration camps, I know that I will look at that question on the 2006 census in an entirely different light than I have ever done before. Regards Juanita MacDonald Stella Stanger wrote: > Good Morning Juanita, > Just came home for a quick change.after yet another funeral, and to check mail. > Although we are very aware of the Internment of the Japanese, A black mark > in our history. > The Internment of the Ukrainian people [and others ]is another black > mark,in our countries history. Ignore it and it will all go away? > Perhaps a Cause for Concern - in releasing Census information. [or > perhaps not - there may be MP's and Senators who are not aware of this]. > There are so many people in Canada and elsewhere - who are not aware of > this part of Canada's History. Not taught as part of Canadian > History. Most do not know the history of Banff - and the use of Interned > Ukrainians as the labour force in building the park. and other projects > across Canada.