The summer recess is a good time to meet with your local MP to help him or her understand how we use the census and why it is important to us and to Canada that historians, including family historians, have access to the WHOLE census (therefore this opt in/opt out nonsense for the 2006 and later census must go). The foolishness of the extra 20 years of conditional access can also be explained to them. Your local constituency office should set up an appointment for you. You should try to keep this a "feel good" event for your MP so be kind if he or she is too dumb to tell a real privacy issue from a fake or surrogate privacy issue or a privacy red herring ( we should try to coin a good phrase for this concept). Lois Sparling Paul, Jeff: SEN wrote: >Dear friends: > > I found out this morning that the House of Commons will not deal with S-13 before they rise for the summer break. As you all know, they made several attempts to get it debated over the last few days, but were unsuccessful. The rest of the agenda is now booked with other bills including campaign finance reform and the ethics package that must get through before the end of the summer. I am extremely disappointed with this delay in our on-going campaign. > > I urge all members of the CCC to start a new email and letter campaign to their MPs at the beginning of September. There is not much point in writing right now because your letters will be long forgotten by the time the fall rolls around. You should write in the week or two leading up to the resumption of Parliament on September 15th. We have been working hard for almost one solid year now, and we can all use the summer to rest and recharge our batteries. > > I also want to congratulate Lois Sparling on her renewed attempt to get the courts to rule that Stats Canada must release the 1911 census. She has my 100% support in her endeavour. I have also been really pleased to see how many of you have filed ATI requests asking for the 1911 census. Do keep them coming. > > I'm sorry that I don't have better news for you, but I promise that as things develop, I will keep you posted. > >Yours truly, > >Hon. Lorna Milne > > >Jeff Paul >Policy Advisor >Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne >Ph: (613) 947-9744 >Cell: (613) 715-2965 > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ >en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > >

I sent mine in Tuesday June 3. We distributed ATI forms at the June 2 meeting of the Alberta Family Histories Society. I know that alot of AFHS members who do not subscribe to this list sent in ATI requests within a day or two. Beatty #2, the Federal Court Action to compel the release of the 1911 census is moving along. The same Justice lawyer who was assigned to Beatty #1 has been assigned. He has filed the formal Response on behalf of The Attorney General, Chief Statistician and National Archivist. He has acknowledged receipt of Mertie Beatty's Affidavit in support of our application. The next step is for him to serve us with one or more Affidavits on behalf of the Respondents. Lois Sparling

mailed today - June 12

Yes, Veterans groups should be lobbied, too, over the summer. Thanks, Muriel for the suggestion. Such groups are close to my heart, too. Nancy.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:58:11 -0700 (PDT), Lynton Stewart wrote: > Say your prayers that this bill dies. With any luck at > all, it will never be brought up again. > > It serves no purpose at all, except to prtevent the people > from having access to census data. If it is ever passed, > it will block almost ALL access to future censuses, while > placing significant restrictions on all censuses that have > already been taken. > > Why would anyone in their right mind want to see that > happen? > > The courts will force the government to release the > censuses. There will be NO restrictions that way. > > I hope, and pray, that Senator Milne's bill never agaion > sees the light of day.

What a let-down! Particularly for those who have been traveling and intensively campaigning for the passage of S-13. I s'pose the next blow will be that parliament will be dissolved for elections, and the "bill process" has to start over. Anyhow, mean-time. That provides the opportunity for several things. First, legal action. I am not an expert on that, but we can build our case for release of census due to failure of providing census info for ATI requests. Those requests should continue. Second, build community support. Last month there were many suggestions for community involvement, ie., scheduling appearances and appeals for support from local town groups, etc.; information campaigns for July 1 and again in early September. These opportunities need to be continued to be fleshed out and seized upon to bolster support. Nancy Nancy T., Coordinator for Wheatland County, Alberta, GenWeb page: http://www.geocities.com/drnancytodd/strathmore/wheatlandcounty.html A few useful tips for searching for Alberta connections: http://www.geocities.com/drnancytodd/strathmore/albertatips.html

Is it possible that bill S-13 is dead? Wouldn't that be the best thing that could possibly happen to it? It doesn't seem to have a very high priority in the House of Commons. They are spending their time arguing about whether or not the Minister should be able to rescind a persons Citizenship without a Court hearing; the travel expenses of the Privacy Commissioner, "Mad Cow" disease, and what's going on with SARS. Each of those things is a lot more important than bill S-13, and have justifiably dropped that bill right to the bottom of the priority list. Really, wouldn't it be much better if that bill were to just sit there and die? Every obnoxious part of it would die along with the rest. The courts will force the government to release the 1911 and 1916 censuses, so they will NOT be impacted by this bill. Then, next year when there is a new P.M., with different Ministers, maybe we can get something that is appropriate. Something simple, like a bill that clearly states that census records are to be turned over to the archives after 70 years, or 92, or whatever, with no restrictions. I'm just an old retired medico, who likes to putter around with genealogy. I could never understand why Bill S-13 was introduced. I'm happy to see that it is not being debated, and isn't getting a Second Reading. May it R.I.P. Bill

Muriel I just ,with in the last ten minutes, received a call from Ottawa. I was asked if I would be kind enough to forward by e mail a copy of my letter to Lyle Vanclief for translation into the French language. They had my letter but wanted another copy to use for translation. Looks good? ? Carol (tweetybird) Home page:<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/> Visit my home page for "Home Children" information and other "world wide" links plus various passenger lists. Searching : Hart, Haslip, Jackson, Stevens, Little, Budge, Chipman, Welch, Russell, Johns & Glover --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03

Many thanks, Norma! The "power of the press" is great, when used correctly -- and this is one time the reporting seems in order. As we have learned this morning, the 1911 census records will NOT be discussed -- the release date was June 1, 2003. Again, we resort to the power of the press before fall. The URL arrived in "split lines" but opened easily. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] [One with printer's ink for blood!] ----- Original Message ----- http://www.canada.com/news/story.asp?id=30BF250D-ED28-4C76-901D-A2782887EAA2 The above is the URL for June 11 column in Ottawa Citizen titled Privacy commissioner's top officials to be called to testify in expenses flap A search at the Ottawa Citizen site for "Radwanski" will turn up at least 8 other news stories. Norma --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

To Walt Lastewka, MP:- As expected, the Members of Parliament are so concerned with dealing in all areas of their political party including financial gain, the LITTLE PEOPLE have been forgotten. By the LITTLE PEOPLE, I mean the millions in Canada and all parts of the world who waited patiently for June1, 2003 to roll around!! That WOULD be the date of 1911 census records release. As usual, researchers and the ordinary family member seeking a lost family member have been let down by the government. WE have learned the last couple days will be filled "with other governmental matters" -- did THEY not remember that S-13 is a government bill?? Are we happy and pleased with this news? Very definitely not! There is no way we should have to resort to court action to obtain what is desired -- OUR records!! NO, we will not accept this latest news quietly -- researchers have long memories! The 1911 census -- as a starter -- would be a great addition to the proposed ?LEGACY? -- many will never be able to visit it, whereas census records can be available in his or her hometown. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

Mailed today, June 12

Dear friends: I found out this morning that the House of Commons will not deal with S-13 before they rise for the summer break. As you all know, they made several attempts to get it debated over the last few days, but were unsuccessful. The rest of the agenda is now booked with other bills including campaign finance reform and the ethics package that must get through before the end of the summer. I am extremely disappointed with this delay in our on-going campaign. I urge all members of the CCC to start a new email and letter campaign to their MPs at the beginning of September. There is not much point in writing right now because your letters will be long forgotten by the time the fall rolls around. You should write in the week or two leading up to the resumption of Parliament on September 15th. We have been working hard for almost one solid year now, and we can all use the summer to rest and recharge our batteries. I also want to congratulate Lois Sparling on her renewed attempt to get the courts to rule that Stats Canada must release the 1911 census. She has my 100% support in her endeavour. I have also been really pleased to see how many of you have filed ATI requests asking for the 1911 census. Do keep them coming. I'm sorry that I don't have better news for you, but I promise that as things develop, I will keep you posted. Yours truly, Hon. Lorna Milne Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965

To all:- Should the government bill S-13, a bill to change the Privacy laws, ever reach Second Reading, it will possibly very quickly be passed onto the House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology. In other memos, I gave members of the committee and by now I sincerely hope all in the area of that Member of Parliament has sent a letter requesting support and getting rid of the choking restrictions - mainly in Clause 8. There are three other important people of above-named committee: CHAIRMAN Walt Lastewka [email protected] [St. Catharines, ON] VICE CHAIRS Dan McTeague [email protected] [Pickering - Ajax - Uxbridge] http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ONT James Rajotte [email protected] Edmonton Southwest http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score1.htm#AB Hopefully, the ones above might even be able to push Bill S-13 onto the floor of the House of Commons for Second Reading. The bill must be passed at Second Reading to be forwarded to the committee, where amendments are allowed. WE need to let the above and all committee members know the Canada Census Committee members and many, many others are totally against the restrictions written into this bill. Clause 8 belongs in the garbage!! We do not need 20 years added on to present 92 years -- unless it is a new form of reverse mathematics! Send an e-mail, then print it, sign with complete address -- letting the above know your feelings. As the 1911 census was due to be released June 1, 2003, why must we have to resort to another federal lawsuit? [Sincerely hope Chrétien will release the 1911 INTACT to be added to his legacy building] We know most of the work is done in committees -- but the bill has to have Second Reading first -- the House has been extremely occupied with Bill C-24 -- deciding how to spend OUR money for one thing! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

To all:- I checked the Toronto Sun and Ottawa Section -- was unable to locate the following article -- of interest to all of us working for release of our 1911 and later Canadian census records. Many thanks to Kathleen Harris for the byline -- read the data at the URL -- we invite her to find a few more stories re Bill S-13 and our problems re release of census. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/committee.html ===================================== TRAVEL TAB ON TRIAL Did privacy boss mislead House? By Kathleen Harris Ottawa Bureau OTTAWA--Canada's privacy watchdog could be found in contempt of Parliament and booted from his post over allegations he tampered with committee evidence and racked up a whopping $100,000 travel tab. Accepting blame for the miscommunication with senior staff that resulted in the document "screw-up", an apologetic Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski insisted he didn't intend to mislead or deceive Parliament. The letter in question, submitted to a Commons committee in an altered form with a missing paragraph, was hastily put together by a staff member while he was out of town, he said. "This was a completely innocent administrative error that occurred," he told the committee yesterday (June 9). "I don't know how I could have acted more honourably." As for the bloated travel expenses--which included a nine-day stopover in Hawaii en route to a speaking engagement in New Zealand -- Radwanski explained that the spike in foreign travel is crucial for exerting Canada's influence on the global stage in the wake of Sept. 11. The commissioner also revealed taxpayers have paid $1,200 a month for the last three years to pay for his second residence. A one-year transition agreement, which also includes expenses for a weekly trip to Toronto, was extended twice under a special agreement with the Privy Council Office. But some committee members weren't buying Radwanski's explanation for the doctored document, and suggested he be held in contempt of Parliament for the foul-up. NDP MP Pat Martin said Radwanski must be disciplined for his actions and reined in on his free-spending ways. "It's clear that someone went to extraordinary efforts to mislead the committee," he said. "Mr. Radwanski calls it an administrative error, but the buck stops with him. He's the boss. "I think the committee has no choice but to report back to the House of Commons that there should be sanctions, there should be discipline." Radwanski, who has lobbed strong criticism at the federal government, expressed hope the committee will be "fair-minded" and accept it was an innocent mixup. [email protected] ============ Following the final vote on Bill C-24, in favour of the Liberal Party, we may find a few more of these ?expenses? by using Access to Information -- There are committees meeting, some bills are mentioned -- but NO mention of Bill S-13. Muriel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

Hi, Gordon sent mine today 11 June A.W. (Alf) Morgan Vancouver ISLAND , B.C.

Hi Gordon: My ATI was sent today, June 11, 2003. Carol www.justgen.com

Muriel You might want to use the fact that Genealogists and others are petitioning for an early release of the 1911 UK Census, rather than wait the 100 years. See copy below. People do not need to be British to write. To: The Rt Hon Alan Beith MP, Chairman, Committee on the Lord Chancellor's Department, House of Commons, LONDON SW1A 0AA Dear Chairman I wish to urge your Committee to conduct an inquiry into the 1911 decennial population census records for England & Wales. I am aware that the Clerk to your Committee, Huw Yardley, has said that your Committee has no current plans to examine this matter but it is an issue the Committee may wish to examine at an appropriate time in the future. Nevertheless, I urge you to begin an inquiry as soon as possible. It is reported that you've received similar requests from Australia, Canada, Malta, New Zealand, the United States of America and the UK. Perhaps members of your Committee are already aware that the Government proposes - at present - to continue to prevent public inspection of the 1911 decennial population census records for England & Wales for a century although the Public Record Office claims that twenty million UK residents are interested in census and other PRO records. No promises of 100-confidentiality or closure were printed on the 1911 census questionnaires. The 1911 census records are not listed in a Public Records Act Instrument of extended 100-year closure. In 2000, the Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee called for the release of the 1911 census after 90 years of closure. And, in 1998, the Advisory Council on Public Records recommended an 80-year closure period for some census records. Through my Grandmother, a British Home Child, I am one generation removed from England and rely on the released Census information to find my family roots. Yours sincerely, Patricia Corney, BHCD 232 Yankee Road, Lot 61 Quakertown, Pennsylvania 18951 USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel M. Davidson To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: [CCC] Re: Bill S-13 Many thanks, Stephen for replying -- but your Canadian Alliance Party could do more good on our behalf if you made certain the restrictions are removed. Just stating on a party-wide basis that you will not support this bill is not what we want -- we want assistance and have again resorted to a federal lawsuit procedure for 1911 census, which should have been released June 1, 2003. Researchers -- and there are many -- are quite happy with the 92-years (wish it could be 72) -- but to be defeatist in the Canadian Alliance Party is not our desire. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Office of the Leader of the Opposition" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:00 PM > June 11th, 2003 > > Ms. Muriel M. Davidson > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > 25 Crestview Avenue > Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Dear Ms. Davidson: > > Thank you for your e-mail of May 8th regarding Bill S-13. I would like to > take this opportunity to explain the Canadian Alliance's position on this > legislation. > > As you know, the Canadian Alliance supports the preservation of census > records and the subsequent transfer of these records to the National > Archives for public release. We believe that keeping the records > confidential for the historical 92-year period is an adequate length of > time, and that this is generally consistent with the practice in Britain and > the United States, where records are kept confidential for 100 and 72 years > respectively. > > I appreciate your concerns about Bill S-13, An Act to Amend the Statistics > Act (Census Records), the census legislation that is currently in front of > the House of Commons. The Canadian Alliance will not be supporting this > legislation. Bill S-13 will allow limited access to "tombstone" census > information after 92 years. Full access to census records will only be > allowed after 112 years. We believe that Bill S-13 further complicates > matters by allowing access after 92 years only to designated individuals. > The designation process will result in a complicated bureaucracy, added > costs, and the question of who will police the census. > > Thank you once again for your continued correspondence. I appreciate your > dedication to this issue. > > Sincerely, > > Stephen Harper, M.P. > Leader of the Opposition > Leader of the Canadian Alliance > > /rl > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Many thanks, Stephen for replying -- but your Canadian Alliance Party could do more good on our behalf if you made certain the restrictions are removed. Just stating on a party-wide basis that you will not support this bill is not what we want -- we want assistance and have again resorted to a federal lawsuit procedure for 1911 census, which should have been released June 1, 2003. Researchers -- and there are many -- are quite happy with the 92-years (wish it could be 72) -- but to be defeatist in the Canadian Alliance Party is not our desire. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Office of the Leader of the Opposition" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:00 PM > June 11th, 2003 > > Ms. Muriel M. Davidson > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > 25 Crestview Avenue > Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Dear Ms. Davidson: > > Thank you for your e-mail of May 8th regarding Bill S-13. I would like to > take this opportunity to explain the Canadian Alliance's position on this > legislation. > > As you know, the Canadian Alliance supports the preservation of census > records and the subsequent transfer of these records to the National > Archives for public release. We believe that keeping the records > confidential for the historical 92-year period is an adequate length of > time, and that this is generally consistent with the practice in Britain and > the United States, where records are kept confidential for 100 and 72 years > respectively. > > I appreciate your concerns about Bill S-13, An Act to Amend the Statistics > Act (Census Records), the census legislation that is currently in front of > the House of Commons. The Canadian Alliance will not be supporting this > legislation. Bill S-13 will allow limited access to "tombstone" census > information after 92 years. Full access to census records will only be > allowed after 112 years. We believe that Bill S-13 further complicates > matters by allowing access after 92 years only to designated individuals. > The designation process will result in a complicated bureaucracy, added > costs, and the question of who will police the census. > > Thank you once again for your continued correspondence. I appreciate your > dedication to this issue. > > Sincerely, > > Stephen Harper, M.P. > Leader of the Opposition > Leader of the Canadian Alliance > > /rl > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

Hi Gordon: My ATI was sent today, June 11, 2003. Shirley,

Hi Gordon, My ATI form was send in the mail today, June 11, 2003. Annette