Hello Lori Ann-- Do not ever underestimate Hazel!!! One of her favorite statements is "Hope they have done their homework!" When I was in Mississauga City Sweet Adelines Chapter, Hazel was an honorary member, travelled with us -- knew all the songs and choreography. When we won -- and we always did -- Hazel would be in the evening show, "strutting her stuff" to delight of the audience. It did not matter if we competed in Hamilton or Syracuse -- she was there with us. NOTE -- The URL below is out-of-date -- sorry! Muriel ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Muriel, > I read a similar article and chuckled but had to whole heartedly agree. She > has done a tremendous job keeping Mississauga in the good books. > Too bad she wouldn't run... > Lori-Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > > http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/burnett.html > > > > The above URL is about "one great lady"!! > > > > I can imagine census happenings would be more positive, > > but read it for yourself! > > > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > > Brampton, ON --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03

Hi Muriel, I read a similar article and chuckled but had to whole heartedly agree. She has done a tremendous job keeping Mississauga in the good books. Too bad she wouldn't run... Lori-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: OFF TOPIC -- Hazel for Prime Minister!!! > http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/burnett.html > > The above URL is about "one great lady"!! > > I can imagine census happenings would be more positive, > but read it for yourself! > > Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] > Brampton, ON > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03 >

Hi Eileen, For the month of June - there have been 121 messages sent to the Canada Census Campaign Mail List. Prior to your test posting.The last message to the list was: *Re: Apologies for Duplicate Messages - posted by Gordon A. Watts, Tuesday,June 17,2003 at 11.43.* When in doubt. we can always Search or Browse - the Canada Census Campaign Mailing List Archive at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN.html Cheers, Stella At 10:04 PM 6/18/03 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >Just testing to see if I'm still on the list. I'm not receiving any messages. > >Eileen > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to >[email protected] that contains >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Eileen -- There has been a problem because some on the lists were linked to a SPAM filter. All my messages to the CCC list were rejected because of possibly ONE person. The internet servers are, hopefully, working to correct this. I will know if the CCC address is returned. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: [CCC] test > Just testing to see if I'm still on the list. I'm not receiving any messages. > > Eileen > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03

Just testing to see if I'm still on the list. I'm not receiving any messages. Eileen

An explanation is in order here. Stella is not blacklisted by the CCC list, nor are the others mentioned. Messages to them from the CCC list have been bounced because of the use of spam filters by their ISP. The reason for the messages being blocked could be as simple as it containing a single word that the filter is set up to reject. The use of spam filters by individuals and various ISPs create all kinds of problems -- particularly for mail lists to which people have subscribed. In many cases IP addresses are automatically added to the filter because the filter itself, or the administrator of it do so arbitrarily without being aware that much of what they block is wanted by those to whom it is addressed. In some instances, bounce messages are directed to the original poster rather than to me as list administrator. There is nothing that I, as list administrator, or you as a poster of a message to the list, can do about this. The only person that can do anything about it is the person to whom the blocked messages are sent. They must complain to their ISP about the blocked messages. Continued blocked messages and the resultant bounce messages create a great deal of unnecessary work for a list administrator. Anyone whose messages from the CCC list are constantly blocked by one of these filters will be removed from the list of subscribers. This is done automatically by parameters set up in the mail list utilities. As much as spam is annoying to everyone, I would encourage everyone to resist the urge to use spam filters. If you personally use a filter on your own PC, please ensure that it is set up to accept mail coming from any mail lists to which you subscribe. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Apologies for Duplicate Messages Guess I am stubborn -- cannot believe my postings are not welcome on the CCC list! I sent doubles of two postings -- only to find the CCC list seems to be "protected" by ORDB -- to prevent SPAM. Also, Stella Stanger IS "BLACKLISTED" Sharon Lindsay is also listed plus [email protected] [email protected] Could there be an explanation, please? Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee [meaning -- there are TWO of us]

Mailed my ATI request today, June 16. Wendy

Greetings All. For those who live in the Abbotsford, BC area, I have been invited to attend and address the monthly meeting of the Abbotsford Genealogical Society to be held Tuesday 17 June 2003. The meeting will be held at the Clearbrook Library in Abbotsford. It starts at 6:30 PM. I will give a brief address regarding the Census issue as it currently stands, and will have a number of Access to Information request forms for distribution to those attending. I look forward to meeting some of you there. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Many thanks, Laura!! For many who do not recognize the name, check Saskatchewan http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/committee.html We are not confined only to CENSUS -- but Radwanski could have been the Privacy Commissioner who has told everyone there was an UNFINDABLE LAW -- Should any one else like to post their "two cents worth" to their local papers, please copy us in. Hope he enjoyed the expensive stopover in Hawaii -- nine days!! Muriel ----- Original Message ----- I have written to the Sun and to the Star-Phoenix (which had a little write-up in it ). Laura Van Loon Letter to the Editor of the Sun: You may publish this comment if you wish. This Saskatoon reader has to comment on the information about Federal Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski by Greg Weston (June 14 publication).It is no wonder that the new study by Leger Marketing, The Perception of Canadians with Regard to Various Professions, shows that Canadians continue to hold firefighters at 98% and nurses at 96% among the most trusted people in society whereas the lowest level of trust goes to car salespeople at 23% and politicians at 18%. Laura Van Loon, RN 914 6th Street East, Saskatoon, SK S7H 1C9 Phone# 306 934-0435 or 306-931-6790 Letter to the Editor, Star-Phoenix It is no wonder that when I reread the results of the 2003 study by Leger Marketing, The Perception of Canadians with Regard to Various Professions and your (June 14th) article "Radwanski 'misled' MPs, committee says" in today's newspaper, that the least trust we have as Canadians is for politicians (18%). When reading the unprecedented report to the Commons about George Radwanski, it is absolutely unacceptable that the Federally appointed Privacy Commissioner thinks he can defend, among accusations such as altered official government documents and misspent travel expenses for himself and his assistant.For your reader's information, Canadians continue to hold nurses among the most trusted people in society. The study shows that four health and safety related professions rank among the top five: firefighters (98%); nurses (96%); farmers (93%); doctors (92%); police officers(88%). Among the least trusted professions are car salespeople (23%) and politicians (18%). Laura Van Loon, 914 6th Street East, Saskatoon S7H 1C9 Ph # 306-934-0435 or 306-931-6790 email: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- To all:- In yesterday's issue of the Toronto Sun, but from the Ottawa Bureau, Greg Weston's column was printed and should be read by all Canadians. http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/weston.html The column is printable - may be forwarded by e-mail. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

I have send in my ATI Request Form for myself and also send the french form request for Généalogie Tracadie Inc. Access to Information Request Form available at: Formule de demande d'accès à l'information disponible ici: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/gos-sog/forms/Acc-pri/350-57_f.rtf Victor Luce

Hi Millie. You raise a question that many of us would like the answer to. There is an old saying that implies that what action is taken by someone depends upon whose ox is being gored. It is our belief that in refusing to turn control of historic Census records over to the National Archivist Ivan Fellegi does so in violation of the Privacy Act and Regulation 6(d) attached thereto. The problem is trying to get anyone in the government to direct him to obey the law, or charge him with not doing so. Short of the government taking action in this, the second legal action initiated by Lois Sparling is intended to force our Chief Statistician to obey the law. We have hopes that following complaints to the Information Commissioner regarding the refusal of Statistics Canada to release the 1911 records he will see fit to join with us in our legal action. Sometime prior to the October 24 announcement that the government would be bringing down legislation to deal with our concerns (we thought) I sent a message to Industry Minister Allan Rock charging him with directing the Chief Statistician to obey the law and release the 1906 records to the National Archivist. I suggested to Mr. Rock that no government bureaucrat -- no matter how highly placed -- is above the laws of Canada. I never received the courtesy of a response or acknowledgement to my letter. It is now time for me to write a similar letter charging Mr. Rock, as Minister responsible for Statistics Canada, to direct Ivan Fellegi to obey the laws of Canada, and release records of the 1911 Census of Canada to the National Archivist. This time my letter will be copied to Justice Canada and the Attorney General of Canada. Thank you for the reminder. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Thompson" <[email protected]> To: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Bill S-13 Dear Gordon This sounds incredibly nieve, I know, but if I break the law, I am fined and perhaps go to jail and I must still obey said law... Now, as I understand, this questionable gentleman in Ottawa has broken an existing law and put his own interpretation to it. And is going merrily on his way.----- Something very wrong with this picture. Millie

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Hi Bill. S-13 is NOT dead, although there are many who wish that it would be. Unless the current Session is proroqued it WILL be debated when Parliament resumes sitting after the Summer recess. It WILL be debated, and it WILL receive second reading. The only question is WHEN this will happen. While Private Member Bills might 'die' after one hour of debate because they have not been deemed 'votable', the same thing does not happen with a Government Bill. A Government Bill will either be passed, or will be defeated, but it will not 'die'. Should the Liberal Cabinet 'direct' the vote on Bill S-13 it will most certainly be passed -- warts and all. That is why we must do everything we can to ensure that there is a 'free' vote and that amendments we seek are proposed and hopefully passed. I have recently become aware that amendments cannot be proposed during second reading of a Bill. They can only be proposed after second reading -- either during deliberation during Committee proceedings should the Bill be referred to Committee, during the Report stage where the Committee refers the Bill back to the House, or during third reading in the House. Bill S-13 was introduced because the government would not simply direct the Chief Statistician to obey existing legislation in the form of the Privacy Act and Regulation 6(d) that provides that personal information collected by Census would be made available to 'any person or body, for purposes of research' 92 years after collection. They accepted the unprovable 'promise' of never-ending confidentiality made by the Chief Statistician and supported by the Privacy Commissioner. They have chosen to ignore the desire of those who are concerned with the issue that access to these vital records should be unrestricted, as have been 240 years of records up to now 1906. As much as the Chief Statistician has denigraded the concept of retroactively changing legislation from 1905/06, Bill S-13 does exactly this in imposing its restrictions upon the release of the 1911 and 1916 Census records. As much as we wish to see a successful conclusion to our efforts we are happy to see that S-13 has not been rushed through and passed without a thorough debate in the House. This gives us the summer to meet with our elected representative and convince them of the need to remove the conditions and restrictions imposed by Bill S-13 Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "theoldmedic" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: [CCC] Bill S-13 Is it possible that bill S-13 is dead? Wouldn't that be the best thing that could possibly happen to it? It doesn't seem to have a very high priority in the House of Commons. They are spending their time arguing about whether or not the Minister should be able to rescind a persons Citizenship without a Court hearing; the travel expenses of the Privacy Commissioner, "Mad Cow" disease, and what's going on with SARS. Each of those things is a lot more important than bill S-13, and have justifiably dropped that bill right to the bottom of the priority list. Really, wouldn't it be much better if that bill were to just sit there and die? Every obnoxious part of it would die along with the rest. The courts will force the government to release the 1911 and 1916 censuses, so they will NOT be impacted by this bill. Then, next year when there is a new P.M., with different Ministers, maybe we can get something that is appropriate. Something simple, like a bill that clearly states that census records are to be turned over to the archives after 70 years, or 92, or whatever, with no restrictions. I'm just an old retired medico, who likes to putter around with genealogy. I could never understand why Bill S-13 was introduced. I'm happy to see that it is not being debated, and isn't getting a Second Reading. May it R.I.P. Bill ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

To all:- In yesterday's issue of the Toronto Sun, but from the Ottawa Bureau, Greg Weston's column was printed and should be read by all Canadians. http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/weston.html The column is printable - may be forwarded by e-mail. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

Sent mine and my wifes in June 12. Kind Regards Lorne Smith Researching the following Surnames: SMITH, England, Nova Scotia, Alberta KENDALL, England, Alberta JEWELL, England, Ontario, Saskatchewan GUSTAFSON, Sweden, US, Saskatchewan, B.C., ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Download Post 1901 Census petitions at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

The idea was suggested to me! Lloyd even gave me the start of the petition:- We, the War Veterans at _____________ I will offer to look after all of these IF this idea goes ahead, but that will be up to Senator Lorna Milne. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [CCC] Post-1901 Census: Opinion and Suggestion from A Veteran at > Yes, Veterans groups should be lobbied, too, over the summer. Thanks, Muriel for the suggestion. Such groups are close to my heart, too. > Nancy. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

To all -- While visiting my husband at Sunnybrook Veteran's Wing in Toronto today, I was asked by the vice-president of the Sunnybrook Resident's Council about the progress of S-13. [This is a well-educated former officer of WWII, computer literate -- only there because he is "missing 2/3 of a leg".] Lloyd ____ (I know the surname) suggested a VETERAN'S petition -- in memory of all veterans killed in service of our country/countries. The names of those killed in WWI are on the 1911 census records. [1910 in United States] He also suggested we contact each of the Prime Ministerial hopefuls -- gain his or her feelings (not thoughts) about the release of OUR records. It was also suggested we not hold our breath while waiting for one to voice support for release! Lloyd's opinion: We may as well forget about this until there is a new Prime Minister. [Please remember, many of those at Sunnybrook, whether Canadian or American veterans, are well-read and educated]. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

What about Heritage Day events in sunny Alberta (that's the August long weekend ). Lois Sparling not very far from Wheatland County [email protected] wrote: >Yes, Veterans groups should be lobbied, too, over the summer. Thanks, Muriel for the suggestion. Such groups are close to my heart, too. >Nancy. > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ >en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > >