Now, now, could you expect any politician for the great, and wealthy country of Canada to NOT spend a week at the Ritz in Paris, to recover from Jet Lag? The poor baby was sooo tired! Back in the days when I attended International Medical Research Conferences, I gulped many a cup of burnt coffee, in order to stay alert. I did NOT stay at 5 star hotels, or even 4 star. Jet lag was just something that one had to put up with. Of course, I started traveling before jets, when it took 5-7 days before one was in Europe. Very seldom did we travel Internationally in those days, but there was no "lag" at all. More than once, I found myself in a place where one shared the w/c down the hall. That was because I had to account for every penny of my expenditures. No frills allowed, unless I paid for them. Believe me, I was much too frugal to splurge very often. I wonder if I would have, if it was someone else's money? I don't think so, I was not raised that way. I remember reading a book by one of my favourite authors, Robert Heinlein. His "juvenile" books inspired me as a young man (they are still a great read). In any case, he once gave a wonderful definition of an honest vs a dishonest politician. An "honest politician" is one that stays bought! A "dishonest politician" is one that is for sale to the highest bidder, and is subject to sale more than once on the same issue. How many of our politicians would fit either of those definitions? But then again, we only deserve what we, as a people, elect in a government. It was not JUST Quebec and Ontario that elected our present government. It was all of us, most especially those that were too lazy to vote. Hmmmm, something else we have in common with our American Cousins? Jeff

Hello Georgiana:- We all have hometown newspapers or favorite ones. Go to http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm Gordon Watts has set this up so one may "borrow" any information [use Copy and Paste] to put together an article -- all data has been checked -- you only have to do a re-write in your own words. As for copying the article in the Herald -- it will not happen. Should you send a good article to The Sun or National Post, as an example, there are affiliate newspapers in Canada. When writing to any newspaper, whether Opinion or Letters, one must send his/her full name, address, phone number. Should one desire the name not be used -- request that "Name is Withheld" be used. [Name/address will not appear] Should anyone wish to send a Letter to the Editor, and want it proofread, send it along -- will be glad to assist -- have been one of those characters, as well as a women's editor. IF ALL SUBSCRIBERS sent a Letter to the Editor, it will accomplish a great deal PLUS keep up with the ATIs, even though rejection memos are being received. Let's Start PRINTING!!! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgiana Webster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: [CCC] Paraphrase of News Article Thank you Wayne, for your parahrase of the Newspaper Article. It would be helpful if more news papers, across the country would copy it, or run a similar article. There are still so many people who are unaware of the problem, that would be interested, if it were brought to their attention. Any suggestions out there, as to how we could get the papers, in the cities across the country interested in copying this article, or creating similar ones of their own.? Georgiana --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03

To all readers of the LEGION magazine: Should one not be a member of the Royal Canadian Legion, and recipient of the LEGION magazine, it can be accessed at www.legionmagazine.com Canada's tribute to veterans of the Korean War is the Korean Veterans National Wall of Remembrance, dedicated on July 27, 1997. The photo of Jack LaChance is on the cover of the Legion magazine and an opening statement is by him -- "One of the most meaningful and solemn days of my life. Up until that day, (the dedication) I had -- for personal reasons -- not participated in any Korean War commemorations because I thought it best to bury my thoughts and feelings about the war. A reader may access this site and list of deceased veterans at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/TRIBUTE.html There are three small panels at the top -- click on the POPPY in the centre panel -- all about the Korean Wall of Remembrance at Meadowvale Cemetery, two miles from my home. To read the list, in alphabetical order, click on HONOUR ROLL. Next fall, I hope to resume placing the names in provincial order, and do have much more information available than given at the site. My thanks to Bryan Keddy for "following my request". Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Brampton, Ontario Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03

Hello again folks: I called the Halifax Herald earlier today, and they advised me that since James P. Barnaby is a freelance writer, and not on their staff, that I would have to get permission from him directly before I could reprint his article for the list. They advised that it could be Monday before I hear back from him. I feel almost tempted to go ahead and do the reprint anyway, but am a little leery of doing so without his blessing. I will wait until I hear from him before reprinting, but to paraphrase (which I believe is OK), he explained the process that has been used up to now, i.e. releasing census information after 92 years. He then advised that through the efforts of the Canada Census Committee the 1906 census had been released, and explained it's importance because of the migration of people to Western Canada at that time. He then reported that a bill was presently in the House that will add amendments to restrict people's rights to all of the information contained in the 1911 and future censuses. He explained how the U.S. and Great Britain release their census records and noted the time periods for each (75 and 100 years respectively). He called these two countries "bastions of individual rights and privacy", and stated that they have no problem releasing their census records to the public. He questioned why StatsCan finds it necessary to make changes to a system that has worked well for 200 years with no problems. He then pointed out that there were some members of both the upper and lower houses that question the necessity to release any records at all, and advocate closing the records to the public and even destroying them after StatsCan has had their fill of them. He outlined the importance of the census records to family historians and genealogists, and said that they were historical doc! uments that belong to the people of Canada. He said that the people of Canada want access to these records in the form that they have always been made available, and questioned the right of the elected representatives to deny or curtail this access. His final sentence was "The 92 year waiting period worked just fine and I see no reason why it needed change." I have the article typed and ready to go (my scanner isn't working) :( I'll send it as soon as I get the green light, but the above is pretty much what he had to say. Regards, Wayne MacKellar

Thank you Wayne, for your parahrase of the Newspaper Article. It would be helpful if more news papers, across the country would copy it, or run a similar article. There are still so many people who are unaware of the problem, that would be interested, if it were brought to their attention. Any suggestions out there, as to how we could get the papers, in the cities across the country interested in copying this article, or creating similar ones of their own.? Georgiana

Thanks, Wayne -- James may send the article directly to the Canada-Census-Campaign mail list -- but you have definitely covered the highlights. We need more publicity in ALL newspapers. For some extra reading by others, go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm There are a number of timeless articles. My son-in-law even sent his password, but that did not work! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne & Brenda MacKellar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: [CCC] Article by James P. Barnaby Hello again folks: I called the Halifax Herald earlier today, and they advised me that since James P. Barnaby is a freelance writer, and not on their staff, that I would have to get permission from him directly before I could reprint his article for the list. They advised that it could be Monday before I hear back from him. I feel almost tempted to go ahead and do the reprint anyway, but am a little leery of doing so without his blessing. I will wait until I hear from him before reprinting, but to paraphrase (which I believe is OK), he explained the process that has been used up to now, i.e. releasing census information after 92 years. He then advised that through the efforts of the Canada Census Committee the 1906 census had been released, and explained it's importance because of the migration of people to Western Canada at that time. He then reported that a bill was presently in the House that will add amendments to restrict people's rights to all of the information contained in the 1911 and future censuses. He explained how the U.S. and Great Britain release their census records and noted the time periods for each (75 and 100 years respectively). He called these two countries "bastions of individual rights and privacy", and stated that they have no problem releasing their census records to the public. He questioned why StatsCan finds it necessary to make changes to a system that has worked well for 200 years with no problems. He then pointed out that there were some members of both the upper and lower houses that question the necessity to release any records at all, and advocate closing the records to the public and even destroying them after StatsCan has had their fill of them. He outlined the importance of the census records to family historians and genealogists, and said that they were historical documents that belong to the people of Canada. He said that the people of Canada want access to these records in the form that they have always been made available, and questioned the right of the elected representatives to deny or curtail this access. His final sentence was "The 92 year waiting period worked just fine and I see no reason why it needed change." I have the article typed and ready to go (my scanner isn't working) :( I'll send it as soon as I get the green light, but the above is pretty much what he had to say. Regards, Wayne MacKellar --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03

Today is the 227th birthday of the Declaration of Independence of the United States. Happy Birthday to the USA, and may our American Cousins enjoy the holiday! As to getting back to business, why? It's so much more fun to bash our politicians! And they are so wonderfully bashable, aren't they? Oh well, I suppose that if we must, we must. Jeff

Many thanks, Georgiana! At first, I did the newspaper research to let readers know about the problem. However, it is in the hands of the all-party committee, not only for Mr. R., but for others -- and there will be others. Let's get back to business -- ATIs, acceptance or rejection of same, the next steps toward release of our Post-1901 census, beginning with the 1911 one. Due to legalities, we can only press for release of the 1911 census, as it was supposed to have been released June 1, 2003. I have even suggested it would be a fitting legacy for the Prime Minister to leave for all Canadians -- so far, no reply from his office. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index-f.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgiana Webster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: [CCC] travel and entertainment expenses Surely we have covered this subject thoroughly. The original news of what some members of parliament feel they have the entitlement to do, was news the Canadian public ought and needs, to know. Should something new on this subject be available it would be of interest. At this point, I feel messages on the above subject to this list are a little redundant. In the meantime I belive, this List is primarily suppose to deal with the release of the Census, so let us get back to the business at hand. Georgiana --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03

There is an excellent article by James P. Barnaby in today's (July 4th) edition of subject newspaper concerning our efforts to have the 1911 and later census records released to the public just as they have been in former years. A brief capsule of the article may be accessed online at: http://www.herald.ns.ca/ Click on the opinion section and scroll to the bottom. Even though I'm a subscriber to this paper, and supposedly have access to the full article online, it was not available to me even after I logged on. I would be willing to type it in and send it after getting the OK from Mr. Barnaby. I'll give the paper a call after 9:00 ADT today. Regards, Wayne MacKellar

Surely we have covered this subject thoroughly. The original news of what some members of parliament feel they have the entitlement to do, was news the Canadian public ought and needs, to know. Should something new on this subject be available it would be of interest. At this point, I feel messages on the above subject to this list are a little redundant. In the meantime I belive, this List is primarily suppose to deal with the release of the Census, so let us get back to the business at hand. Georgiana

Surely you jest Ms Davidson! You really expect the party of "Honest Jean" the used government dealer, to be accountable? They enjoy the largest majority ever in the Parliament. It is a known fact that the people elected them to do whatever they wish, on every subject. And now they have insured a larger victory in the next election, by seeing to it that only the Liberals will have enough money to really fight a campaign. It is very wrong to suddenly attempt to impose some sense of duty, responsibility and integrity upon these people. They feel they have the authority to write a completely new version of the "Indian Act", without consulting with the affected peoples at all. (See Bill C-7). They feel that they have the authority to allow the introduction of "Secret Evidence" into trials. evidence that will not be disclosed to either the defendant or the defendants counsel. And the Judge would be empowered to reach a verdict solely on that secret evidence, and NEVER disclose it. (See Bill C-18). They run roughshod all over the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and totally ignore the Decisions of the Supreme Court (Brenner v. Canada, 1997). So why on earth would you, or anyone else, expect these people to want an open investigation into Government waste, corruption and malfeasance in office? They are terribly afraid that what they have been doing for years will all come out. What part of "Corruption" do you fail to recognize? We got exactly what we as a people voted for. What else can you expect from POLITICIANS, when they have this kind of a majority????? Jeff

To all:- The same conditions should apply to all -- whether in Canada or United States. My youngest son has to keep many records as he is a long-distance truck driver. My daughter is an artist -- has to account for every brush! My oldest son's company (himself) has been hired by a motorcycle sales shop where he is business, finance and insurance manager. As for the details -- I am the one who keep the records. Surely the all-party committee, headed by Reg Alcock, MP could strongly suggest that even the Prime Minister should not be exempt -- after all, all elected and appointed politicians are basically paid by US -- the taxpayers. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Barnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] travel & entertainment expenses > Sock it to'em Betty!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Malone" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:29 AM > Subject: [CCC] travel & entertainment expenses > > > > Here in the States, the "cap" & the need for receipts are prompted by what > companies have to show when they file their tax returns, to justify their > business expenditures. Even if a company credit card is used, meals have > to be less than $25 per person, there must be a receipt, & there must be a > legitimate business purpose for the meal, or the employee has to reimburse > the company. > > > > If the employee can't adequately explain what was discussed & what > necessitated the discussion, he has to ante up. Also, the "cap" varies > with the locale. More is allowed in New York City, San Francisco, etc., > but less in much of the country, especially in small towns. The books of > government entities are audited the same way. The Gov't Accounting Office > (GAO) audits federal agencies & departments on the same basis. Lobbyists > are scrutinized fairly carefully too, in their attempts to curry favor with > legislators & officials. > > > > But Radwanski was really a piker, compared to Cirac, whose immediate > family members received all kinds of largesse (lucrative business contracts, > villas, expensive cars, etc., according to published reports) from Iraq for > years. Wasn't anyone in France watching? What it boils down to is that > we are all capable of succumbing to temptation, & those in office have the > power that corrupts. How about Fellegi? He seems to have "absolute > power".... > > > > Betty Malone --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03

Here in the States, the "cap" & the need for receipts are prompted by what companies have to show when they file their tax returns, to justify their business expenditures. Even if a company credit card is used, meals have to be less than $25 per person, there must be a receipt, & there must be a legitimate business purpose for the meal, or the employee has to reimburse the company. If the employee can't adequately explain what was discussed & what necessitated the discussion, he has to ante up. Also, the "cap" varies with the locale. More is allowed in New York City, San Francisco, etc., but less in much of the country, especially in small towns. The books of government entities are audited the same way. The Gov't Accounting Office (GAO) audits federal agencies & departments on the same basis. Lobbyists are scrutinized fairly carefully too, in their attempts to curry favor with legislators & officials. But Radwanski was really a piker, compared to Cirac, whose immediate family members received all kinds of largesse (lucrative business contracts, villas, expensive cars, etc., according to published reports) from Iraq for years. Wasn't anyone in France watching? What it boils down to is that we are all capable of succumbing to temptation, & those in office have the power that corrupts. How about Fellegi? He seems to have "absolute power".... Betty Malone

Hi: The denial of my request under the Access to Information Act came this morning (July 2nd). It was dated June 27, 2003. I shall now complain to the Information Commissioner. Rene Dussome Calgary

Interesting article in today's Toronto Star - Opinion by Ken Rubin www.thestar.com Unlocking Ottawa's secrets 20 years after passage of Access to Information Act, government still tries to keep public documents from view Inez Allen [email protected]

Received my ATI denial this morning (July 02) . It was dated June 27, 2003.. Inez Allen [email protected]

Working on the transcription of the 1906 census is one way of demonstrating how important a research source this is. The Alberta Family History Society webmaster/mistress is organizing the effort. See: http://www.afhs.ab.ca/data/census/1906/index.html Her latest report on who is doing what and where help is needed was posted to the AFHS mailing list today: >We now have over 160,000 lines of data online - about 19% of the 800,000 >records that can be transcribed. > >Alberta >------- >In Alberta, over 40% of the records are transcribed/online. > >In District #18 (Southern Alberta) and district #19 (Calgary) - each has >only 1 sub district which is neither online, nor being worked on. And >District #22 (Northern Alberta) is complete. Amazing. It's District #21 >(Strathcona) that needs subtantial work now. > >Manitoba >-------- >Not a lot of attention yet. Only southwestern Manitoba and Winnipeg are >being actively transcribed. We could use more volunteer transcribers here. >Know anyone with Manitoba interests who would be willing to give a hand? > >Saskatchewan >------------ >Lots of work on District #12 (Assiniboia West) and good inroads on District >#16 (Q'Appelle), but again - we need more volunteers interested in other >parts of the province. > Mertie Beatty and I are doing our bit. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta

Hello Gordon and All, I have received my ATI request refusal.My request was received on June 6th.I received the refusal on June 30th which is amazing as it is date stamped the30th and there was not a mail delivery today.It is similar to the one below so I guess we are all getting the same letter.It is interesting that they do not even mention the money.If we behaved that way we would be considered rude.It is interesting that they are still hiding behind the same old reasons even though they were proven wrong.I wonder what it would take to get the message across?? I must go now and read the information about filing a complaint.An interesting sideline that I just noticed is that they even spelled my last name wrong!! Must scoot now and get busy, Mary. "Gordon A. Watts" wrote: > Greetings All. > > My thanks to Norma Brown for forwarding to me a copy of her notice from Statistics Canada regarding the rejection of her request for access to the 1911 Census records. > > The response was dated 27 June 2003 so Canada Post would appear to have been on the job for the speedy delivery. > > Reasons given for the rejection stated that the records have not been transferred to the National Archives and 'remain under the care and control of Statistics Canada'. > > It mentions that Bill S-13 is currently waiting second reading in the House of Commons and that it is intended to 'remove any legal ambiguity in relation to historical census records, including those from the 1911 Census'. We all know that there is NO legal ambiguity regarding access to the 1911 records. > > The letter concludes > > "Accordingly, at this time, the schedules of the 1911 Census are being exempted from disclosure pursuant to section 24 of the Access to Information Act which reads as follows: > > '24(1) The head of a government institution shall refuse to disclose any record requested under this Act that contains information the disclosure of which is restricted by or pursuant to any provision set out in Schedule II.' > > Schedule II includes section 17 of the Statistics Act. > > Section 17 of the current Statistics Act replace similar provisions found in the Census and Statistics Act, R.S.C. 1906, c. 68 under which authourity the 1911 Census was taken and pursuant to which the 1911 Census Instructions were issued. Those Instructions were issued, assented to by the Governor in Council and published in the Canada Gazette on April 22, 1911. The Instructions had the force of law and continue to be in effect by virtue of the Interpretation Act." > > The letter advised of the entitlement to bring a complaint before the Information Commissioner. I will shortly post a copy of what I will be sending to the Information Commissioner as my complaint. Submitting these complaints is a very important part of our campaign and I urge all who submitted ATI requests for the 1911 Census, and have been refused, to submit such complaints. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. Watts [email protected] > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > Permission to forward without notice is granted. > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to > [email protected] that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

We will just have to wait and see who is appointed---- Mr Reid or Mr Rs choice. If MR R. has his way his appointee just might be under his thumb re census issues??????? Would we stand a better chance with Mr Reid. Carol (tweetybird) Home page:<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/> Visit my home page for "Home Children" information and other "world wide" links plus various passenger lists. Searching : Hart, Haslip, Jackson, Stevens, Little, Budge, Chipman, Welch, Russell, Johns & Glover ----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel M. Davidson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [CCC] National Post Story Many thanks, Betty! If Radwanski has to pay back the TOTAL amount, he will be in debt for a long time. Readers: Do not go by the $60,000 -- the figure is much higher. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- Dear [email protected], Your friend [email protected] thought you might be interested in this National Post story: "Price for inability to share: $60,000" http://www.nationalpost.com/search/site/story.asp?id=8527CD51-29AC-4B4B-B7E9 -950FA84694CD Hi Muriel. I just found this in the National Post, & thought you might be interested in reading it, as it is in regards to John Reid & George Radwanski. Interesting... Betty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Many thanks, Betty! If Radwanski has to pay back the TOTAL amount, he will be in debt for a long time. Readers: Do not go by the $60,000 -- the figure is much higher. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- Dear [email protected], Your friend [email protected] thought you might be interested in this National Post story: "Price for inability to share: $60,000" http://www.nationalpost.com/search/site/story.asp?id=8527CD51-29AC-4B4B-B7E9-950FA84694CD Hi Muriel. I just found this in the National Post, & thought you might be interested in reading it, as it is in regards to John Reid & George Radwanski. Interesting... Betty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/03