Hi Freda: Funny you should mention Scotch only coming in a bottle. The term "Scotch" to identify Scotsmen in N. America was widely used in both the U.S. & Canada. It is seen in many early books, census data, etc. It does seem to annoy anyone who still lives in Scotland to be called Scotch which is a malt whiskey. Again, education, accents and poor spelling must be kept in mind when reading old records or writings. Of course, being "Scotch" often meant being a penny pincher too. Wonder how often it was mispelled in Parishes in the UK? Lauraine > > From: "freda stewart" <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/11/24 Mon PM 10:02:58 CST > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > Hi Garth - your opinion please on the term 'Scotch Irish'. I've always > understood that this is only used in the U.S., that the rest of us term > ourselves Ulster Scots. Scotch still comes in a bottle. > Freda Stewart-Calgary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > > > Here is a link to Irish History segments on YouTube > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyg5aBMYYz0 > > > > regards > > Garth > > > > > > At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do > >>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two > >>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites > >>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to > >>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a > >>great deal of information also. > >> > >>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. > >> > >>regards > >>Garth > >> > >> > >>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged > >> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who > >> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible > >> >for much of the westward expansion... > >> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I > >> >believe, that told the story.. > >> >faye > >> > > >> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about > >> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and > >> > > early > >> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused > >> > > with > >> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato > >> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New > >> > > York > >> > > and Boston. > >> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became > >> > > known > >> > > as "Scotch Irish" > >> > > > >> > > MomEl > >> > > > >> > > [email protected] wrote: > >> > > > Faye: > >> > > > > >> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and > >> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots > >> > Irish" came about. > >> > > > > >> > > > Lauraine > >> > > > > >> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> > >> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST > >> > > >> To: [email protected] > >> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people > >> > lived in Ireland > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some > >> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have > >> > settled there? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> faye > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >>> Hello, > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from > >> > 1820's on were > >> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from > >> > Scotland. But they > >> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one > >> > of the books on > >> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state > >> > that they were > >> > > >>> "Irishmen." > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block > >> > wall." None of us > >> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left > >> > Sligo-Town and > >> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each > >> > year of research > >> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and > >> > HENDERSON families in > >> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, > >> > we have no way > >> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming > >> > patterns" don't > >> > > >>> help.) > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> List Administrator > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> FYI: > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" > >> > which is about the > >> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to > >> > celebrate their KERR > >> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to > >> > > >>> their > >> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always > >> > INSISTED that > >> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland > >> > Games," etc. > >> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding > >> > > >>> some > >> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings > >> > and cousins > >> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's > >> > in Ireland. > >> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name > >> > for us. My > >> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and > >> > > >>> Elizabeth > >> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they > >> came down to > >> > > >>> Boston, MA. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR name > >> > > >>> is > >> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my > >> > gr-grandparents, William > >> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the > >> > HANNAH grave - > >> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My > >> > sister tells me it > >> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I > >> > will find a way > >> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in > >> > Everett, so I don't > >> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 burials) > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on > >> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- > >> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding > >> > to !! 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