Good deal Freda!!! Its good to be picky sometimes.. especially when helping people to realize the importance of words and to understand differences! I did see Garth Hamilton's explanation - he was quite informative.. I had seen a program about the movements to Ireland and then from there to the US. As much as I enjoy many things Scottish, and respect Scotch, I haven't yet acquired a taste for it.. a little too 'smoky' tasting for me! Have a wonderful weekend.. Faye -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of freda stewart Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland Hi Faye - no offense, of course not. Perhaps we are too picky about the term 'scotch' but I do notice that it tends to be used in the U.S. Did you read Garth Hamilton's explanation - it is very helpful and he passed on another little tidbit relating to the differences that I had forgotten about. Scotch though is very definitely a very fine drink. Freda - Calgary, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "faye rees" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > Sorry Freda > The different spelling/pronunciation never entered my brain.. Scots vs > Scotch - I hope I didn't offend... I had always thought it was Scotch as > being from Scotland, but I realize that is Scottish.. I have learned again > from you on this list.. > faye > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of freda stewart > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > Hi Garth - your opinion please on the term 'Scotch Irish'. I've always > understood that this is only used in the U.S., that the rest of us term > ourselves Ulster Scots. Scotch still comes in a bottle. > Freda Stewart-Calgary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > >> Here is a link to Irish History segments on YouTube >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyg5aBMYYz0 >> >> regards >> Garth >> >> >> At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do >>>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two >>>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites >>>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to >>>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a >>>great deal of information also. >>> >>>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. >>> >>>regards >>>Garth >>> >>> >>>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged >>> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who >>> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible >>> >for much of the westward expansion... >>> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I >>> >believe, that told the story.. >>> >faye >>> > >>> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about >>> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and >>> > > early >>> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused >>> > > with >>> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato >>> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New >>> > > York >>> > > and Boston. >>> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became >>> > > known >>> > > as "Scotch Irish" >>> > > >>> > > MomEl >>> > > >>> > > [email protected] wrote: >>> > > > Faye: >>> > > > >>> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and >>> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots >>> > Irish" came about. >>> > > > >>> > > > Lauraine >>> > > > >>> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST >>> > > >> To: [email protected] >>> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people >>> > lived in Ireland >>> > > >> >>> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some >>> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have >>> > settled there? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> faye >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hello, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from >>> > 1820's on were >>> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from >>> > Scotland. But they >>> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one >>> > of the books on >>> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state >>> > that they were >>> > > >>> "Irishmen." >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block >>> > wall." None of us >>> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left >>> > Sligo-Town and >>> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each >>> > year of research >>> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and >>> > HENDERSON families in >>> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, >>> > we have no way >>> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming >>> > patterns" don't >>> > > >>> help.) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> List Administrator >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> FYI: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" >>> > which is about the >>> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to >>> > celebrate their KERR >>> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to >>> > > >>> their >>> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always >>> > INSISTED that >>> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland >>> > Games," etc. >>> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding >>> > > >>> some >>> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings >>> > and cousins >>> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's >>> > in Ireland. >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name >>> > for us. My >>> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and >>> > > >>> Elizabeth >>> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they >>> came down to >>> > > >>> Boston, MA. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR >>> > > >>> name > >>> > > >>> is >>> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my >>> > gr-grandparents, William >>> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the >>> > HANNAH grave - >>> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My >>> > sister tells me it >>> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I >>> > will find a way >>> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in >>> > Everett, so I don't >>> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 burials) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on >>> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- >>> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding >>> > to !! 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