> You marry a Scotsman & drink Scotch. > You don't marry a Scotchman & drink Scots. > > Norma You're right, Norma. That's the same thing my grandmother taught me many years ago. Her mother was born in Edinburgh. Elsie - in west Michigan > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > > > > > Hi Freda > > > > This is what my research leads me to believe. > > > > The term Scotch Irish is made in America and is virtually unknown in > > Ireland, Scotland and the rest of the Commonwealth but as more North > > Americans go to Ireland searching their Ulster Scots roots it is now > > known to those working in the field of genealogy there. > > > > The term has wider meaning in America than the term Ulster Scots. > > Scotch Irish encompasses those who are of mixed heritage Scots and > > Irish heritage in addition to those of Protestant Scottish descent > > who migrated to Ulster in the 1600's and from Ireland to America in > > the 1800's to whom the term Ulster Scots refers and the mixing that > > has occurred in America away from the very strict Protestant Catholic > > separation of Ireland and in particular Ulster. > > > > The term Ulster Scots is used in Ireland and the United Kingdom to > > denote those of Protestant heritage from lowland Scotland and > > Northern England who came to Ireland in the Plantations of 1600-1675 > > and were imported by the English Crown to replace rebellious Irish > > Catholic Land Owners with those loyal to the Crown. The Catholics > > were stripped of their land and the government of the day handed to > > those arriving from Scotland. In some part this term and its history > > is kept alive by the Orange Order which so many joined after it's > > forming in County Armagh in 1795. This Protestant Fraternal Order was > > common here in the 1800's in Canada and while most of the first and > > second generation male members of my family were members, this > > tradition did not carry into generations 3 and was virtually non > > existent in my family in the 4th generation and is totally gone > > to-day, but the order is still alive and well in the Countries of the > > Commonwealth and USA. > > > > regards > > Garth > > > > > > > > At 11:02 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >>Hi Garth - your opinion please on the term 'Scotch Irish'. I've always > >>understood that this is only used in the U.S., that the rest of us term > >>ourselves Ulster Scots. Scotch still comes in a bottle. > >>Freda Stewart-Calgary > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > >>Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > >> > >> > >> > Here is a link to Irish History segments on YouTube > >> > > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyg5aBMYYz0 > >> > > >> > regards > >> > Garth > >> > > >> > > >> > At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >> >>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do > >> >>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two > >> >>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites > >> >>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to > >> >>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a > >> >>great deal of information also. > >> >> > >> >>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. > >> >> > >> >>regards > >> >>Garth > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >> >> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged > >> >> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who > >> >> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible > >> >> >for much of the westward expansion... > >> >> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I > >> >> >believe, that told the story.. > >> >> >faye > >> >> > > >> >> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came > >> >> > > about > >> >> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and > >> >> > > early > >> >> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused > >> >> > > with > >> >> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato > >> >> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of > >> >> > > New > >> >> > > York > >> >> > > and Boston. > >> >> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became > >> >> > > known > >> >> > > as "Scotch Irish" > >> >> > > > >> >> > > MomEl > >> >> > > > >> >> > > [email protected] wrote: > >> >> > > > Faye: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and > >> >> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots > >> >> > Irish" came about. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Lauraine > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> > >> >> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST > >> >> > > >> To: [email protected] > >> >> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> > >> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people > >> >> > lived in Ireland > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some > >> >> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have > >> >> > settled there? > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> faye > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>> Hello, > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from > >> >> > 1820's on were > >> >> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from > >> >> > Scotland. But they > >> >> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one > >> >> > of the books on > >> >> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state > >> >> > that they were > >> >> > > >>> "Irishmen." > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block > >> >> > wall." None of us > >> >> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left > >> >> > Sligo-Town and > >> >> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each > >> >> > year of research > >> >> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and > >> >> > HENDERSON families in > >> >> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, > >> >> > we have no way > >> >> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming > >> >> > patterns" don't > >> >> > > >>> help.) > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> List Administrator > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> FYI: > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" > >> >> > which is about the > >> >> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to > >> >> > celebrate their KERR > >> >> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to > >> >> > > >>> their > >> >> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always > >> >> > INSISTED that > >> >> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland > >> >> > Games," etc. > >> >> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding > >> >> > > >>> some > >> >> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings > >> >> > and cousins > >> >> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's > >> >> > in Ireland. > >> >> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name > >> >> > for us. My > >> >> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and > >> >> > > >>> Elizabeth > >> >> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they > >> >> came down to > >> >> > > >>> Boston, MA. > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR > >> >> > > >>> name > >> >> > > >>> is > >> >> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my > >> >> > gr-grandparents, William > >> >> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the > >> >> > HANNAH grave - > >> >> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My > >> >> > sister tells me it > >> >> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I > >> >> > will find a way > >> >> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in > >> >> > Everett, so I don't > >> >> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 > >> >> > > >>> burials) > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on > >> >> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- > >> >> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding > >> >> > to !! 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