Hi again, Nancy brought up a good topic for discussion. In regards to my ancestors who arrived in Canada, my KERR / HENDERSON's I just mentioned arrived in Canada in the 1820's. They were supposed to go to a town on the southern shore of the St. Lawrence, but that didn't work out. So, they were sent to live in "the former Township of Gore" on the northern shore of the St. Lawrence. I've read that Argenteuil County was part of a beautiful mountain range, and it would have been a very nice place to settle down, build houses, etc. There were lots of trees to cut down and use for building buildings, but, there was not any good land for farming. So, I will guess that they had a "do you want the good news or the bad news" type of thoughts when they "walked?" to their new township. And, back in early New England (US) in 1600's, I've read the story of "Anne Marbury HUTCHINSON," a religious activist, etc., in the early 1600's. She came from a nice family in England, had a nice "white house" with a "nice garden" in England. And, she had many children. But, they wanted to come to "the new land." She sent her oldest son off with his uncle to find a place to live and start building a house. When she arrived with her children, and finally saw the "woods" and the "very rustic log cabin," she sat down and cried. And I recently read the same type of story about another lady from the early 1600's, but I can't remember who it was at the moment. And I've read parts of the "history of Billerica" and the "history of Chelmsford" (MA / US), both founded in 1655. When the people who first arrived in Cambridge, MA, in the 1630's decided they wanted to own a bigger piece of land, they needed to go explore the land northwest of them. BUT there were no roadways, not even any "cow paths." All there was in the "deep, dark woods," were the "foot paths" created by the Native Americans. So, they had to walk on foot up those "foot paths" to find out where the Native Americans spent their time. They first found the small Shawsheen River (present name) and built some huts there. Then they went a few miles north of there and found the larger Concord River. They started building huts on the shores of that river, and the large "Billerica Plantation" was begun. Around the same time, a few "canoes" were built so the early settlers could get across the river. And, more huts were built there, and the large "Chelmsford Plantation" was begun. One difference between the 2 plantations was that the "deep dark woods" in Billerica had land which was full of rocks and - not good for farming. But, the "deep woods" in Chelmsford was also bordered by the much larger Merrimack River, and that land was good for farming. So the settlers had it easier in Chelmsford. But, a quick story is that: All 1600's people had to go to Cambridge to handle "court issues" and "land issues," etc. And, Billerica residents very early built some "cow paths" going towards Cambridge. But, Chelmsford residents had to "cross a river" in order to get to Cambridge. I think it was after 1700 when the first bridge was built over the Concord River. And the Billerica people decided it was a good way for them to "earn some money." So they charged the Chelmsford people a "fee" for - crossing over "their" bridge. Later the Chelmsford people didn't want to pay the fee anymore. Well the Billerica people got angry. So, one night a few men went out in the middle of the night and -- dismantled -- the bridge. :o) If anyone in Canada wants to read a good book about the very early history of Massachusetts, the "history of Billerica" is a very good resource. And it has a good Genealogy section. (I believe it went on-line this year.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (FYI: Anne HUTCHINSON's husband was not related to my HUTCHINSON ancestor. Or, if they were related, it was back in the 1500's. I only have George HUTCHINSON arriving in the 1630's, and I think Anne arrived in the 1620's. I'll have to check on that.) Oops. I just read here that she arrived in 1634. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hutchinson And, I just checked my notes and George and his brother, Thomas, arrived in 1630 with "the Winthrop Fleet." From my research, I believe there were at least a dozen HUTCHINSON men or families that arrived in the MA Bay Colony between 1620 and 1640.

Betty, Do you have little black and yellow stripes around your body??????? Do you BUZZZZ as you go flying about town?????? Do you return home covered in POLEN????? You must. No one could possibly be as busy as you seem to be reading, answering questions, searching for us, and coming up with great topics for thought. You're a BEE. (My husband is a BEE also, so I know of what I speak.) Cheers, Yolanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:31 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] What Did Ancestors Think - When Arriving ?

I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 children in Canada. What I DO have: James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull They may well also have had a son, Harold (?), who was born to this couple at some time. This son died at about age 10 in Michigan (we believe) by trying to cross a river on the logs, and drowning there. We can't find where the son was born or where he died. There were many fires in the AuSable area, destroying the paper records more than once, and destroying most of the cemetery where he supposedly was buried. We are hoping that we could find some kind of records on the births in Canada to nail down where actually the family was for that short time, and to see if there is anything on the son. The census taken in Michigan in 1890 was burned up, so there is nothing there. The 1900 census already had Sarah divorced and remarried to a James Bradshaw, but that is where the 3 daughters are listed, with Brown as their last names, and the information that Sarah had had 4 children, 3 of them still living. I hope that someone can give me some directions in which to look for something on this family. We know that all the members of this family seemed to go with the flow, and were all over the map, popping up in the least likely places! This foray into Canada (reason unknown as to why they went there) is just one of those moves. There are plenty of family stories, but weeding out the 'enhanced' stories is just one of the problems. Any help out there? Myra Herron MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On 18 Oct 2008 at 14:06, Myra Herron wrote: > I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from > AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most > likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 > children in Canada. > > What I DO have: > > James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after > October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in > Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd > child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have > Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull > Myra The first problem you have is that Hull is in Quebec, not Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from Ottawa which is in Ontario. If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, those birth registrations are available to the public. Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the Archives of Canada in Ottawa. If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might start your search there if your couple really did have children in Hull (Quebec) See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find out what is available. Good luck Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Myra, Hull is in the Province of Quebec. It is located on the opposite side of the Ottawa River, from Ottawa, Ontario. Ottawa is Canada's capitol. Here are a couple of mail lists that might be of help to you, where Hull is located; [email protected] [email protected] Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH: John& Sarah Brown & family I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 children in Canada.

Hi Myra. Do you already have James & Sarah's marriage record from familysearchlabs? Looks like they married on 05 Sep 1882 in Harrisville, Alcona, Michigan. I also have BROWN family from the Iosco area during this time period, but I don't find any matches as of yet. Mine were also from some secret place in Canada, but then by 1850 moved to Orleans, Jefferson County, New York, then on to Port Austin, Huron County, Michigan. Some of their kids skipped Huron County and went straight to Iosco County. I have only begun to research this family, so we may find a connection some day, who knows... My Iosco County family members are mentioned in this article: "Wallace, John, and George Brown, of this place, and Mrs. Legacy, of East Tawas, left Monday for Port Austin, on receipt of a telegram announcing the serious illness of their father". Source: the Tawas Herald, April 14, 1893, Tawas, Iosco County, Michigan. [Their parents were David BROWN b 1811 & Nancy PETERSON. Mrs. LEGACY was Helen nee BROWN, w/o Wm LEGACY.] This is not a direct line for me. I am related to David BROWN's sister, Mary Ann BROWN b 1813. They were both born in Nova Scotia [or New Brunswick depending on the census info]. I am looking for other siblings as that might help me find more clues. Anyways, BROWN is such a common name, but please tuck my info away just in case you find more info. If nothing else, it may help rule out any connection. Donna in Michigan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Myra Herron Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH: John& Sarah Brown & family I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 children in Canada. What I DO have: James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull