Hi again, Last night on that PBS show, or the next one, I heard a quote: "Our ancestors are invisible; they are always with us." It was supposed to be said by St. Augustine. This morning I went on-line to find out what the exact quote was. I found out that the original quote was said - like 1600 years ago ! And, as with another quote which changed, it reads a little differently: * The main theme of the unity of the visible and invisible worlds is the existence of spirits. We all will physically die someday. But, our physical death is not the end of our life. After physical death, our soul will remain and continue to live in the spiritual world. Our ancestors have already gone physically. However, their spirits are still with us. They are always watching and guiding us with love. But, many people do not know this because spirits are invisible. --- I don't know anything about this web site or about the church which is mentioned, but it is where I found that quote: http://companion.gedatsu-usa.org/taki6505.html And here is a brief biography of St. Augustine's life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo Just an FYI for you. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator * Maybe 6 years ago I became curious what the original quote was for: "I complained because I had no shoes. Then I met a man who had no feet." It took me a while of searching on-line to find out who originally said it: Book: The Gulistan, Or Rose Garden. Sadi's Gulistan, or The Rose Garden, is both one of the best known of the Sufi classics and a major work of Persian literature. From its creation in the first half of the 13th century, this work has attained popularity in the East which is unsurpassed. To this day it is quoted by schoolchildren and scholars alike. "Like all Sufi materials, Sadi's Rose Garden contains information, and is formulated, to gain acceptance in the culture in which it is projected - and is an instrument of enlightenment and experience. It is not for nothing that people say, "Har lafz-i-Sadi, Haftad-o-do màni" (Each word of Sadi has 72 meanings)." http://www.flipkart.com/gulistan-rose-garden-john-platts/8130700069-su23f9ngap I probably can't find the original saying on-line this morning, but I did read it before, and it read a whole lot differently in the 1200's in Persia.