Unfortunately, society may have gone too far in the other direction now. It seems like there is no such word as "morals" any more!!! -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:31 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden Myra: I would love to see the poem. This shows how important reputations were in earlier times when even a hint of gossip could tarnish a family. It is little wonder that our families glossed over and told fibs about some of the unsavory family events. Society was quite cruel in colonial times. Lauraine > > From: Myra Herron <woodseyowllover@yahoo.com> > Date: 2009/08/06 Thu AM 07:48:06 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > They were from an era where people did that a lot.  My grandmother wrote a poem about a girl who had drowned herself, blaming her parents and a local boy, and it actually became a song later, and people still remember the song.  I transcribed it when I found it, which was hard to do, because she had written it and sent it to my prospective grandfather, who carried it in his wallet for years.  >   > While I was transcribing it slowly, my mouth began to drop, as I realized it wasn't a love poem, but a story about a girl who killed herself by drowning in front of her little brother, because her parents had believed a story told about her by a boy in the area.  He had slandered her, evidently, and ruined her reputation, and her parents had thought the story was true.  By the time I got done transcribing, I was horrified!  It was quite a poem.  If you ever want it, let me know.  > > MYRA HERRON > Tempus Fugit; Memento Mori  > (Time Flies; Remember, you will Die.) > Let no one ever say of you, And say it to your shame, > That all was always beauty here, that is, until you came. > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> wrote: > > > From: syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 1:35 AM > > > Yes, that is it.  My Dad had a great memory for sayings and poetry (not me).  He used to come out with the oddest things.  > > L > > > > From: Myra Herron <woodseyowllover@yahoo.com> > > Date: 2009/08/05 Wed PM 09:49:59 CDT > > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > > > Lizzie Bordon took an axe > > And gave her mother 40 whacks > > When she saw what she had done, > > She gave her father 41. > >   > > That's the one I've heard > > > > MYRA HERRON > > Tempus Fugit; Memento Mori  > > (Time Flies; Remember, you will Die.) > > Let no one ever say of you, And say it to your shame, > > That all was always beauty here, that is, until you came. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> wrote: > > > > > > From: syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > > > > Know that many on the list subscribe to MassMoments.  But for those who don't and recall their parents talking about Lizzie Borden, you may chose to read this: > > > > http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226 > > > > Am sure there used to be a ditty about Lizzie Borden that my Dad talked about? > > > > Lauraine > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >        > >  When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! 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Nothing like putting a nice, cute little children's story like that to a catchy tune!!!! -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Faye Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:28 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden the words fit well to the tune of "I'm a little acorn round" faye ---- syrnick@mts.net wrote: > Yes, that is it. My Dad had a great memory for sayings and poetry (not me). He used to come out with the oddest things. > > L > > > > From: Myra Herron <woodseyowllover@yahoo.com> > > Date: 2009/08/05 Wed PM 09:49:59 CDT > > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > > > Lizzie Bordon took an axe > > And gave her mother 40 whacks > > When she saw what she had done, > > She gave her father 41. > >   > > That's the one I've heard > > > > MYRA HERRON > > Tempus Fugit; Memento Mori  > > (Time Flies; Remember, you will Die.) > > Let no one ever say of you, And say it to your shame, > > That all was always beauty here, that is, until you came. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> wrote: > > > > > > From: syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > > > > Know that many on the list subscribe to MassMoments.  But for those who don't and recall their parents talking about Lizzie Borden, you may chose to read this: > > > > http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226 > > > > Am sure there used to be a ditty about Lizzie Borden that my Dad talked about? > > > > Lauraine > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Linda, My husband's grandmother was a Cherokee from the Pennsylvania area. I've had very little success locating her family on the Internet, altho there are a lot of them. She had no "last name," and she married a SMITH...... I have found several Smiths who married Indians, but how to tell which one???? Might be the line to follow? And they traveled from one place to the other so much, there are no ways of tracing them. I've hit a real dead end on that family line. mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Mock Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:11 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches Hi Listers, I recently learned that while hunting for an ancestor, who was "custom" married to a German immigrant, then cast out of the marriage w/children, her tribe has a hidden custom of when a tribal member dies, that they have not existed in life....another words, after their death, nothing was mentioned of them again, and as most tribes don't keep written records, only the story tellers know about them or their names of Indian customs,and great deeds done....Even though my ancestor was a SHAMAN, medicine woman of her tribe, as is one daughter....when she died, her body was hidden from view...and she was gone from the face of the Earth. And even today the secret of her burial place is known by few. I have looked for her for almost 10 years with little sucess except for the Census records from 1850 this way. Being American Indian, they were recorded, differently than the regular Census...ANY WAY, always check the tribal customs, so you don't end up spinning your wheels..there is lots on the internet about American Indian tribes, but check the locale of your ancestor as they variy in what and how they do their customs. Good Hunting. ~Linda~ "Loved ones" are your family tree, and lifes journey. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yup. That's IT !!! mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Myra Herron Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden Lizzie Bordon took an axe And gave her mother 40 whacks When she saw what she had done, She gave her father 41.   That's the one I've heard MYRA HERRON Tempus Fugit; Memento Mori  (Time Flies; Remember, you will Die.) Let no one ever say of you, And say it to your shame, That all was always beauty here, that is, until you came. --- On Wed, 8/5/09, syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> wrote: From: syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:04 PM Know that many on the list subscribe to MassMoments.  But for those who don't and recall their parents talking about Lizzie Borden, you may chose to read this: http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226 Am sure there used to be a ditty about Lizzie Borden that my Dad talked about? Lauraine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, About every year I read with great interest your story about the DEXTER family and your search for relatives. (It reminds me of my search for my mother's birth parents.) Just wanted to say, please keep telling your story. I hope and pray you will someday get all your answers. I almost missed your email because the subject line was "Hearings vs. Listening ....." Luckily, I read beyond the subject line. Cec Combs -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:33 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Hearing vs. Listening and Eavesdropping (mygrandmother) Hello, My hubby has mentioned several times that many people do not have a hearing problem -- they have a listening-problem. And, I've told my maternal grandmother's story before. A brief version of her story is: She was born Feb. 1889, and at 3 mos. became a Ward of the State. At some point she went to live with John and Mary DEXTER. They were life-long residents of Killingly, CT, but had moved to MA ~1885. While in their late 50's, they adopted a little girl who had just turned 3. They changed her name to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER - after Mrs. DEXTER's maiden name. Mrs. Dexter died in Apr. 1899, and my grandmother was 10. She was taken to an orphanage in Boston. She would spend until she was ~20 in "homes." (Mr. Dexter died in 1905 at a State Hospital.) During her 8-10 years with the Dexter couple, different things happened. When she was young and important people came to call, she was hidden away in a back room of the house. One day, she was upstairs and heard that a man has visited. She decided to listen as he was talking just before he left. The man said, "Some day that little girl "must" find out who her real father is !" She never did ! But, this tells me that the Dexter adoptive parents "KNEW" who my grandmother's birth-parents were ! And, my grandmother never found out who gave birth to her. Because of all the hints and clues, my "educated guess" is that the Dexter's married daughter back in Killingly, CT, had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of 1888." My grandmother tried to find out. My mother and her sisters tried to find out, and I have tried to find out. My grandmother had known her Adoptive parents' grandson. He had visited the home many times, and she remembered him as being a teen-age boy when she was a child. After she was married and had kids, she was able to get in touch with him. Earle YOUNG (only grandchild) stated that his mother, Clara, went to her dying day -- proclaiming that she didn't even know that her parents had adopted a little girl. I just pulled the report on her story out of a box, and will send a copy to a lady in CT. It is a long and complicated story. I wish I could find a book author who would be willing to turn the story into an historical novel. This lady in CT just received a surprise package in the mail, a whole pile of "old photos." Two of the photos were of Mrs. Dexter, and her mother, Mrs. Clark. She mailed me copies of the photos and I hope I receive them today. I very much want to compare my grandmother's photo to Mrs. Dexter's photo. The lady in CT and I have already compared her grandmother's picture to my grandmother's picture, and there is a strong family resemblance. If the new photos compare, then this lady in CT and I are probably, hopefully both descended from Mrs. Clark - thus we are "very distant cousins." The full name of Mrs. Clark in her older years was Mrs. Rhoda (MANCHESTER) (LAVARE) CLARK (1800-1883?), always in Westport, MA (US). IF I ever write up a better document on my grandmother, I will probably title it: Rhoda and Molly and Clara and Daisy. (Gr-grandma, Grandma, Mother, my grandmother, I hope.) (It would take a true miracle - to find out who the birth-father was !) Have a pleasant August weekend ! Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sure they aren't in a file somewhere that's just not connecting? No, I don't know how to find it unless somewhere in the FireFox help it says the name of the file where they're saved. Lita http://www.picturetrail.com/grammapux Blessings as you continue to walk in the mystery. ----- Original Message ----- From: <syrnick@mts.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] bookmarks > Really goofed - just lost all my bookmarks which is a real drag! Not sure > what I did when downloading Firefox 3.5???

Really goofed - just lost all my bookmarks which is a real drag! Not sure what I did when downloading Firefox 3.5??? Lauraine

Darn, did it again. This couple did have two children: Joseph Taylor Simpson b. 1850 Charlotte Simpson b. 1853

James SIMPSON m. Forbes Halcrow SMITH probably in Shetland. The 1880 U.S. census shows them living in La Prairie, Rock, Wisconsin. No children are shown. Is anyone on the list researching SIMPSON name? As James is 57 and Forbes is 51, it is possible any children may have already left home? Lauraine

You have just had an example of how NOT to make an inquiry. Didn't have the info gathered up properly. Anyway, now have all of the children of Smith, James N. Lewis I. SMITH b. 1890 Bessie B. Smith b. 1894 Helen B. Smith b. 1898 Marjory J. Smith b. 1906 Charles V. Smith b. abt 1909 Bernice Smith b. 1912 Oneida, his wife was supposedly born in Wisconsin but no idea of her maiden name. Lauraine

Forgot to mention that records show James N. SMITH was b. in Wisconsin? Have been unable to verify this yet. BMDs for this family are somewhat elusive and believe they may have been Methodists. Does anyone know if Methodist OPRs are available somewhere? A friend could not find them on Ancestory.com. Do have this chaps parents and grandparents burial plot # in Iowa and death dates. Lauraine

Am still looking for information on the children of Malcolm Johnston SMITH b. 1827 Shetland. Believe he and his wife Barbara YoungClaus emigrated to the U.S. about the start of the American Civil War. Very sketchy info on this family after the Civil War, but show his son James N. Smith living in Iowa with his wife Oneita in 1900 U.S. Census. Children listed are: Len J. Smith 10 yrs Bessie B. Smith 5 yrs Helen B. Smith 2 yrs Is anyone out there researching this SMITH family?? Lauraine

I vaguely? Remember it something like: Lizzie Borden took an axe. Gave her father forty whacks. When she saw what she had done........ Gave her mother thirty-one! I could have the mother and father mixed up. Not certain which one "got the axe" first!!! Do a Google on it!! mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:04 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden Know that many on the list subscribe to MassMoments. But for those who don't and recall their parents talking about Lizzie Borden, you may chose to read this: http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226 Am sure there used to be a ditty about Lizzie Borden that my Dad talked about? Lauraine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some of you have a very different definition of "kissing cousin" than I've ever heard.  For me a " kisssing cousin" is one you could marry!  The general rule I heard growing up was, 1st cousins can't. 2nd cousins shouldn't and 3rd cousins or less related OK.  I know there are exceptions to this and that somewhere along the way it became law in many areas.  Your thoughts appreciated.  

Do you have BARTLETT relatives in Manitoba, Canada? Lauraine > > From: "RONALD BARTLETT" <ronbart12@msn.com> > Date: 2009/08/06 Thu AM 10:50:01 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > Lizzie is my 4th cousin twice removed. I'm glad she wasn't my "Kissen Cousin". > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Faye<mailto:fmrees@nycap.rr.com> > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com<mailto:can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > > the words fit well to the tune of "I'm a little acorn round" > > faye > > ---- syrnick@mts.net<mailto:syrnick@mts.net> wrote: > > Yes, that is it. My Dad had a great memory for sayings and poetry (not me). He used to come out with the oddest things. > > > > L > > > > > > From: Myra Herron <woodseyowllover@yahoo.com<mailto:woodseyowllover@yahoo.com>> > > > Date: 2009/08/05 Wed PM 09:49:59 CDT > > > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com<mailto:can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > > > > > Lizzie Bordon took an axe > > > And gave her mother 40 whacks > > > When she saw what she had done, > > > She gave her father 41. > > > > > > That's the one I've heard > > > > > > MYRA HERRON > > > Tempus Fugit; Memento Mori > > > (Time Flies; Remember, you will Die.) > > > Let no one ever say of you, And say it to your shame, > > > That all was always beauty here, that is, until you came. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, syrnick@mts.net<mailto:syrnick@mts.net> <syrnick@mts.net<mailto:syrnick@mts.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: syrnick@mts.net<mailto:syrnick@mts.net> <syrnick@mts.net<mailto:syrnick@mts.net>> > > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com<mailto:can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > > > > > > > Know that many on the list subscribe to MassMoments. But for those who don't and recall their parents talking about Lizzie Borden, you may chose to read this: > > > > > > http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226<http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226> > > > > > > Am sure there used to be a ditty about Lizzie Borden that my Dad talked about? > > > > > > Lauraine > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > > > To search the archives: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION> > > > The information page is: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! 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That is too bad. I guess your grandmother didn't want to "dig up the past." But, it is a part of your heritage, and as such, you really do deserve to know about it.... However, I can understand that it might be a part of her life she'd have chosen to forget. Having a baby out of wedlock in those days held a terrible stigma, and people never let you forget it. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:40 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Hearing vs. Listening and Eavesdropping (mygrandmother) Hi Betty: This is an interesting story and a shame you might never find out the truth. When my Dad had his DNA done for the Shetland DNA Project, one gentlement who had the lesser test had a match for 13 (if recall is correct). He had been adopted and after many years did find his Mother who was in her 90's but she refused to recognize him nor would she tell him who the father was. Another sad story. Perceived sins of the past will be brick walls for many for eons. Lauraine > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > Date: 2009/08/07 Fri AM 07:32:31 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Hearing vs. Listening and Eavesdropping (my > grandmother) > > Hello, > > My hubby has mentioned several times that many people do not have a hearing > problem -- they have a listening-problem. > > And, I've told my maternal grandmother's story before. A brief version of > her story is: > > She was born Feb. 1889, and at 3 mos. became a Ward of the State. At some > point she went to live with John and Mary DEXTER. They were life-long > residents of Killingly, CT, but had moved to MA ~1885. While in their > late 50's, they adopted a little girl who had just turned 3. They changed > her name to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER - after Mrs. DEXTER's maiden name. > > Mrs. Dexter died in Apr. 1899, and my grandmother was 10. She was taken to > an orphanage in Boston. She would spend until she was ~20 in "homes." > (Mr. Dexter died in 1905 at a State Hospital.) During her 8-10 years > with the Dexter couple, different things happened. When she was young and > important people came to call, she was hidden away in a back room of the > house. One day, she was upstairs and heard that a man has visited. She > decided to listen as he was talking just before he left. The man said, > "Some day that little girl "must" find out who her real father is !" > > She never did ! But, this tells me that the Dexter adoptive parents > "KNEW" who my grandmother's birth-parents were ! And, my grandmother > never found out who gave birth to her. Because of all the hints and > clues, my "educated guess" is that the Dexter's married daughter back in > Killingly, CT, had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of > 1888." > > My grandmother tried to find out. My mother and her sisters tried to find > out, and I have tried to find out. My grandmother had known her Adoptive > parents' grandson. He had visited the home many times, and she remembered > him as being a teen-age boy when she was a child. After she was married > and had kids, she was able to get in touch with him. Earle YOUNG (only > grandchild) stated that his mother, Clara, went to her dying day -- > proclaiming that she didn't even know that her parents had adopted a little > girl. > > I just pulled the report on her story out of a box, and will send a copy to > a lady in CT. It is a long and complicated story. I wish I could find > a book author who would be willing to turn the story into an historical > novel. This lady in CT just received a surprise package in the mail, > a whole pile of "old photos." Two of the photos were of Mrs. Dexter, and > her mother, Mrs. Clark. She mailed me copies of the photos and I hope I > receive them today. I very much want to compare my grandmother's photo > to Mrs. Dexter's photo. The lady in CT and I have already compared her > grandmother's picture to my grandmother's picture, and there is a strong > family resemblance. If the new photos compare, then this lady in CT and > I are probably, hopefully both descended from Mrs. Clark - thus we are > "very distant cousins." > > The full name of Mrs. Clark in her older years was Mrs. Rhoda (MANCHESTER) > (LAVARE) CLARK (1800-1883?), always in Westport, MA (US). IF I ever > write up a better document on my grandmother, I will probably title it: > Rhoda and Molly and Clara and Daisy. (Gr-grandma, Grandma, Mother, > my grandmother, I hope.) (It would take a true miracle - to > find out who the birth-father was !) > > Have a pleasant August weekend ! > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. 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I would have enjoyed knowing your dad.........My dad was quite smart, too, and I dearly miss him. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:36 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden Yes, that is it. My Dad had a great memory for sayings and poetry (not me). He used to come out with the oddest things. L > > From: Myra Herron <woodseyowllover@yahoo.com> > Date: 2009/08/05 Wed PM 09:49:59 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > > Lizzie Bordon took an axe > And gave her mother 40 whacks > When she saw what she had done, > She gave her father 41. >   > That's the one I've heard > > MYRA HERRON > Tempus Fugit; Memento Mori  > (Time Flies; Remember, you will Die.) > Let no one ever say of you, And say it to your shame, > That all was always beauty here, that is, until you came. > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> wrote: > > > From: syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Lizzie Borden > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:04 PM > > > Know that many on the list subscribe to MassMoments.  But for those who don't and recall their parents talking about Lizzie Borden, you may chose to read this: > > http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=226 > > Am sure there used to be a ditty about Lizzie Borden that my Dad talked about? > > Lauraine > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've also wondered if rape might have entered into the equation is some of these cases. The rapist isn't always a stranger. For some that would be too traumatic to revisit for any reason. Lita http://www.picturetrail.com/grammapux Blessings as you continue to walk in the mystery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Hearing vs. Listening and Eavesdropping(mygrandmother) > That is too bad. I guess your grandmother didn't want to "dig up the > past." But, it is a part of your heritage, and as such, you really do > deserve to know about it.... However, I can understand that it might be a > part of her life she'd have chosen to forget. Having a baby out of > wedlock > in those days held a terrible stigma, and people never let you forget it.

Spotted this on the Simcoe list today: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~afgs/givenname.html Some of my COOMBS/BACON/MAY and LEIGHTONs were in the Simcoe area - actually in the Long Point Settlement. Lauraine

Two books read in the past year that were most enjoyable were "I am Hutterite" written by a Manitoba Author. Her family had left the colony and it was quite informative. Living close to several colonies in earlier years was always curious about their customs and beliefs. The other one is by Nathaniel Philbrick called MAYFLOWER. Highly recommend it to anyone interested in the colonial years of the U.S. and history. It took me a long time as it was a bit dry, but worth a read. Lauraine > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > Date: 2009/08/07 Fri AM 07:08:55 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Book: "Indian Tribes of North America" > > Hello, > > I get a weekly e-mail from a genealogy publishing company in US, and they > sometimes mention some of the books they have put up for sale. > > http://www.genealogical.com/products/The%20Indian%20Tribes%20of%20North%20America/5682.html > > I've never seen this book, so I don't know anything about it. And, I'm > only posting it for the information. * > > I occasionally purchase history books from places, like eBay, IF they are > very reasonable priced. One is "The Native Americans." (a > coffee-table-type book) Perhaps others can recommend books which are > informative. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > > > * > Disclaimer: I have no connection to anything being sold on-line. > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >