Yes...especially the poor guy who froze to death. That would not be a job for ME !!!! We have no idea of some of the hardships our ancestors endured. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:25 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Pony Express This is a very interesting article about the Pony Express. Did anyone have ancestors who were riders? http://www.xphomestation.com/frm-riders.html Lauraine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know what can be done about moss? My g. grandparents gravestones in Westbourne have some moss. Is it proper to contact the cemetery caretakers or?? Lauraine > > From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> > Date: 2009/08/14 Fri AM 12:05:56 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] : Re: Cape Cod Gravestones > > I've used sunlight and mirrors or very strong flashlights to cast shadows on > old stones. It sometimes can help give you enough of an outline to see > what's written. > Looking through different colours of clear plastic at the stones can also > help sometimes. > > Someday I'm going to try a laser level which produces a long straight line > to see if that would help show up faint depressions. > > Moss growth here is the most common reason you can't read old stones. > > Nelson > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It seems more gentle to take pictures of the stones in rubbings take pressure to make.  Joyce --- On Fri, 8/14/09, syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> wrote: From: syrnick@mts.net <syrnick@mts.net> Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] : Re: Cape Cod Gravestones To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 1:57 AM Apparently in some places it is now illegal to make gravestone rubbings - some suggestions it could damage the stones.  Keep wondering if it was the state of Maine?  I have photos of many family stones some going back to later 1800's.  It appears many of my ancestors in Scotland could not afford stones or they have disappeared. The oldest gravestone photo is of my G.G. Grandfather Laurence Smith who died 1857 whilst ling fishing off Shetland.  His body did not wash ashore for about 5 months and he is buried at Maywick where he washed up.  His sons erected a stone and it is now a sort of tourist attraction in that it is mentioned in one of the guide books.  The stone is attended to by one of my cousins over there.  The wind and no doubt salt spray is very hard on the stone. Lauraine > > From: Cynthia Phillips <cphillips59@gmail.com> > Date: 2009/08/13 Thu PM 08:16:43 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Cape Cod Gravestones > > my daughter has gravestones rubbings.  She did her senior paper in college > history on old gravestones.   and she has some pictures too.  All in VA. > historic churches  in the Norfolk area > > cindy > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Eileen Coyle <eileencoyle@mchsi.com> wrote: > > > I have something similar.  I use "My Pictures" as my screensaver, and my > > daughter saw it and said I'm the only one she knows with pictures of > > gravestones. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <syrnick@mts.net> > > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:52 PM > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Cape Cod Gravestones > > > > > > > Have only started to look through this site, but it might be of interest > > > to some on the list.  Not sure why I enjoy looking at cemeteries and old > > > gravestones so much.  My son thinks I am a bit tetched. > > > > > > http://www.capecodgravestones.com/ > > > > > > Lauraine > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I > > > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > > > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there > > > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > > > To search the archives: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > > The information page is: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >  When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I > > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is > > a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Cindyp > > Lose inches with It Works! body wraps > http://LoseWeightin72.com > > http://grammiesbears.com > http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu > http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips >  When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. 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Hello, Last year I had a little more time to visit little graveyards within an hour's drive of my home, and I took some pictures. I have some from Littleton, MA, which were taken in the autumn and turned out to be nice pictures. (one-time-use camera) I have found out that in MA in the 1600's, those gravestones would have long since disappeared. In the Boston to Lowell area, you would be very lucky to find a stone for someone from born 1700-1720. My KIDDER ancestor and his 2 brothers left Chelmsford, MA, and went to New Ipswich, NH, as it was being founded (late 1700's), and I've read that their gravestones are nowhere to be found. That doesn't seem right to me. The brother, Reuben KIDDER, was rich, a well-known man in the State, a large land-owner, etc., and I can't believe that there wasn't an important gravesite for him ! I'm told that in Billerica and Chelmsford (both founded 1655), many stones in "family plots" - meaning "on" the family's land, disappeared - one way or another. As more people came to the towns, more houses had to be built. Some graves would have been moved, but we can only guess what happened to others. In contrast, I've visited Gloucester, MA, and they have much more "old graveyards" than towns do near Lowell, MA. A good guess is that many of the gravestones were for fishermen and sailors, etc., because that's where they lived. But, why did those graveyards last much longer than ones "in land?" I've never had a chance to visit one of the old graveyards (hubby doesn't like to browse). But, in the fall, maybe I'll drive there myself and poke around. Regarding the stones, I read someplace that the reason why there were different kinds of stones - depending on which decade or year - was that the material used for the gravestones - was needed during "war time." So, people had to come up with other material to build the stones with. Was different kinds of material used in gravestones in Canada? Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator P.S. There is a booklet which tells about the "Forefather's Burial Ground" in Chelmsford, MA. I drive by it often ! Oh, that reminds me, it is one of many, old graveyards in New England which were created on the grounds of a church. The above graveyard backs up to the historic church in Chelmsford Center. I've seen an old graveyard in Townsend, MA, which not only backs up to an historic church in the Center but some of the stones - lay against the church building.

I am forwarding a message I gt when I wrote the RI so that the lady from Austrlia or others may directly write to him and ask how to get records. Hopes this helps. Although they had nothing for me because it was 1800 they should have a 1910 record. Good luck hunting. Harriet --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Kenneth Carlson <kcarlson@sec.state.ri.us> wrote: From: Kenneth Carlson <kcarlson@sec.state.ri.us> Subject: RE: Is there a record for marriage To: kd1843@myfairpoint.net Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:21 AM Ms. Cady,   In reply to your inquiry I regret that a search of early vital registrations (all cities & townships) & colonial / state census manuscripts (1774 - 1810), failed to yield any data respective of the individuals and/or events in question.  Please be advised that widespread reporting of vital records did not exist in RI on any significant scale until the mid 19th century.  Prior to January, 1853, in particular (date mandated by the legislature), the vast majority of births, marriages & deaths were only documented with church officials or noted within family owned bibles.  For additional assistance on this matter I suggest you contact both the RI Historical www.rihs & New England Genealogical Societies www.newenglandancestors.org .  Both organizations maintain extensive collections of source material documenting early New England families and are best suited for more in-depth research.    Sincerely, Ken Carlson Reference Archivist   From: Harriet Cady [mailto:kd4318@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: reference Subject: Is there a record for mariage   Ihave been searching or my fifth great grandparents marriage and the birth of their son HIram. This would have been Polly Knapp born about 1785 married Silas Hefflon/Hefflin/Hesslon around 1800.  I know they had left RI and were in Surry, NH in 1805 so think I have gotten to a narrow time frame. Harriet E. Cady Deerfield, NH 03037-0149  

I've used sunlight and mirrors or very strong flashlights to cast shadows on old stones. It sometimes can help give you enough of an outline to see what's written. Looking through different colours of clear plastic at the stones can also help sometimes. Someday I'm going to try a laser level which produces a long straight line to see if that would help show up faint depressions. Moss growth here is the most common reason you can't read old stones. Nelson

my daughter has gravestones rubbings. She did her senior paper in college history on old gravestones. and she has some pictures too. All in VA. historic churches in the Norfolk area cindy On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Eileen Coyle <eileencoyle@mchsi.com> wrote: > I have something similar. I use "My Pictures" as my screensaver, and my > daughter saw it and said I'm the only one she knows with pictures of > gravestones. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <syrnick@mts.net> > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:52 PM > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Cape Cod Gravestones > > > > Have only started to look through this site, but it might be of interest > > to some on the list. Not sure why I enjoy looking at cemeteries and old > > gravestones so much. My son thinks I am a bit tetched. > > > > http://www.capecodgravestones.com/ > > > > Lauraine > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is > a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Cindyp Lose inches with It Works! body wraps http://LoseWeightin72.com http://grammiesbears.com http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips

Apparently in some places it is now illegal to make gravestone rubbings - some suggestions it could damage the stones. Keep wondering if it was the state of Maine? I have photos of many family stones some going back to later 1800's. It appears many of my ancestors in Scotland could not afford stones or they have disappeared. The oldest gravestone photo is of my G.G. Grandfather Laurence Smith who died 1857 whilst ling fishing off Shetland. His body did not wash ashore for about 5 months and he is buried at Maywick where he washed up. His sons erected a stone and it is now a sort of tourist attraction in that it is mentioned in one of the guide books. The stone is attended to by one of my cousins over there. The wind and no doubt salt spray is very hard on the stone. Lauraine > > From: Cynthia Phillips <cphillips59@gmail.com> > Date: 2009/08/13 Thu PM 08:16:43 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Cape Cod Gravestones > > my daughter has gravestones rubbings. She did her senior paper in college > history on old gravestones. and she has some pictures too. All in VA. > historic churches in the Norfolk area > > cindy > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Eileen Coyle <eileencoyle@mchsi.com> wrote: > > > I have something similar. I use "My Pictures" as my screensaver, and my > > daughter saw it and said I'm the only one she knows with pictures of > > gravestones. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <syrnick@mts.net> > > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:52 PM > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Cape Cod Gravestones > > > > > > > Have only started to look through this site, but it might be of interest > > > to some on the list. Not sure why I enjoy looking at cemeteries and old > > > gravestones so much. My son thinks I am a bit tetched. > > > > > > http://www.capecodgravestones.com/ > > > > > > Lauraine > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > > > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > > > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > > > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > > > To search the archives: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > > The information page is: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is > > a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > > To search the archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > > The information page is: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Cindyp > > Lose inches with It Works! body wraps > http://LoseWeightin72.com > > http://grammiesbears.com > http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu > http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Spotted this story today on Bourque News in Canada: http://www.canada.com/Mohawk+woman+could+declared+saint+Vatican/1888442/story.html

I have something similar. I use "My Pictures" as my screensaver, and my daughter saw it and said I'm the only one she knows with pictures of gravestones. ----- Original Message ----- From: <syrnick@mts.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Cape Cod Gravestones > Have only started to look through this site, but it might be of interest > to some on the list. Not sure why I enjoy looking at cemeteries and old > gravestones so much. My son thinks I am a bit tetched. > > http://www.capecodgravestones.com/ > > Lauraine > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1860 U.S. Census Charlotte is living with her parents in La Prairie, Rock County, Wisconsin and is shown as 7 years old. There is an age discrepancy with birth shown on Family Search, but this is her and here her birth year is shown as 1853. In this census, she is shown as being born in Wisconsin so another discrepancy. Of course it is possible the lst Charlotte died and they had another daughter and gave her the same name - a Scottish custom. In the 1870 census, Charlotte is shown as 17 yrs old and believe the image showed she was born in New York. However, here the surname is spelled Simson. James SIMPSON death in Sept 1897 is shown on the Wisconsin Death Index but cannot find his nor his wife's Forbes (Forbice/Forbie) burials. I did check the burials in Rock County, Wisconsin. Charlotte's parents were both born in Shetland. Have Scotland info on the couple, but still looking for their marriage information. Possible it was an irregular marriage - believe they were Methodists but have yet to do a search on Shetland's People site. Does anyone have suggestions on how to find James & Forbes SIMPSON burials and Charlotte E. Simpson's burial and or marriage information. Cannot seem to find her on a census. Know that one of her Aunts moved to North Dakota and that her maternal grandparents lived, died and buried in Iowa. Any suggetions and help greatly appreciated. Lauraine

Have only started to look through this site, but it might be of interest to some on the list. Not sure why I enjoy looking at cemeteries and old gravestones so much. My son thinks I am a bit tetched. http://www.capecodgravestones.com/ Lauraine

Ho many on the list use the term "State" and then Gen Web?? Think most states are involved in the Gen Web projects. Here is a list of the Michigan Gen Web marriages for Mackinac County - these marriages are from late 1700s to 1800's. Many French names on this list. http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/mimack/marriages/data/nameindex.asp?MackinacMarriagesPage=1 Lauraine

This is a very interesting article about the Pony Express. Did anyone have ancestors who were riders? http://www.xphomestation.com/frm-riders.html Lauraine

Thank you........ very much. I'm not sure how much spare time I'll have in the next few days, as I am expecting company......but this is a GREAT idea, and I intend to get at it as soon as I possibly can. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:09 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches Try this site: http://www.allthingscherokee.com/ Lauraine > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > Date: 2009/08/11 Tue AM 01:06:14 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches > > Presumably Cherokee. But, I have tried searching for the Cherokee > families, and unfortunately she married a John Smith!!!! Talk about > looking for the one needle in a haystack of identical ones!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:25 AM > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches > > Do you know which tribe? If so, try googling their name. Many tribes have > really good on-line material. > > Lauraine > > > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > > Date: 2009/08/09 Sun PM 10:52:33 CDT > > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches > > > > I never even thought of contacting the tribe! And have no idea how to go > > about doing it..... Do you know how? > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find > it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT > from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a > SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now, that's something I never thought of doing!!! Thanks for the suggestion.....I'll let you know how it turns out. May be a couple days, as I am expecting company for a few days and not sure how much spare time I'll have. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Bert Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:35 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches Do an internet search on the tribe. Most tribes have a web site with email or other contact info. deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches >I never even thought of contacting the tribe! And have no idea how to go > about doing it..... Do you know how? > > -----Original Message----- > From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Bert > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:43 AM > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches > > Have you tried to contact the tribe? They usually have records. > deb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches > > >> Hi, Linda, >> >> My husband's grandmother was a Cherokee from the Pennsylvania area. >> I've >> had very little success locating her family on the Internet, altho there >> are >> a lot of them. She had no "last name," and she married a SMITH...... I >> have found several Smiths who married Indians, but how to tell which >> one???? >> Might be the line to follow? And they traveled from one place to the >> other so much, there are no ways of tracing them. I've hit a real dead >> end >> on that family line. >> >> mas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Mock >> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:11 AM >> To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] American Indian searches >> >> Hi Listers, >> I recently learned that while hunting for an ancestor, who was "custom" >> married to a German immigrant, then cast out of the marriage w/children, >> her tribe has a hidden custom of when a tribal member dies, that they >> have not existed in life....another words, after their death, nothing >> was mentioned of them again, and as most tribes don't keep written >> records, only the story tellers know about them or their names of Indian >> customs,and great deeds done....Even though my ancestor was a SHAMAN, >> medicine woman of her tribe, as is one daughter....when she died, her >> body was hidden from view...and she was gone from the face of the Earth. >> And even today the secret of her burial place is known by few. I have >> looked for her for almost 10 years with little sucess except for the >> Census records from 1850 this way. Being American Indian, they were >> recorded, differently than the regular Census...ANY WAY, always check >> the tribal customs, so you don't end up spinning your wheels..there is >> lots on the internet about American Indian tribes, but check the locale >> of your ancestor as they variy in what and how they do their customs. >> Good Hunting. >> >> ~Linda~ >> "Loved ones" are your family tree, >> and lifes journey. >> >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I >> find >> it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the >> SUBJECT >> from the post you are responding to !! 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ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR IL ADOPTEES August 2009 ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR IL ADOPTEES is a monthly eNewsletter bringing you all the news that's fit to print from the Land of Lincoln. We are a voice for the Illinois Open Organization, www.ILOpen.org ILLINOIS OPEN MISSION STATEMENT It is the civil and human right of ALL ADOPTED ADULTS to have access to their original birth records unconditionally and free from falsification. Our goal is to challenge Illinois legislators to restore this civil and human right to all adopted men and women. We will not support legislation that places any restrictions on the rights of all adopted adults' access to their obc's. It is not our primary goal to be a search organization. We are independent of any other group. Important Facts In the Spring of 2008 the name Adoption Reform Illinois (ARI) was formed. Illinois Open was one of the organizations that was "tossed under their umbrella". This should never have happened and we have been quiet publicly about it until now. It has come to our attention that some people have found it to be confusing since Illinois Open did sign off on some letters sent by ARI to legilsators. Later an ARI press release was sent out regarding a Santa campaign. We are not part of ARI or Green Ribbon Campaign (GRC). We apologize for any confusion. Illinois Open is independent of any organization. We do not ask for nor do we receive donations. We have no membership fees. Please do not be mistaken in sending anyone money thinking that you are showing support for our organization. In fact, if anyone tries to tell you to send money to them in support of Illinois Open, please email us - obc@ilopen.org. Major Problem in IL House of Representatives What can we do about a state representative who is strongly opposed to adopted adults having access to their original birth certificate? We are not talking about the average politician. State Representative William B. Black (R) 104th District has been in office since 1986. He is the Deputy Republican Leader and has received many "Outstanding Legislator" awards. A reliable source has said that Representative Black's two children are adopted and a grandchild might be adopted. If any of you have seen him talk on the local news or heard him speak over the radio, you know that he is boisterous and will rant on and on regarding anything that he is opposed to. Needless to say someone who has been in office as long as he and has received so many "Outstanding Legislator" awards does have many followers. If that is not enough, chances are he does gain followers just because it is easier to agree with him than to hear him rant and rave. Whether Representative William Black will listen to anyone but his constituents could be questionable. But we must try to educate him since it is hard to say how much longer he might be in office. Perhaps we could stress the following: Adopted adults should have a civil right restored so they do have access to their original birth certificate, if they so desire. It should be unrestricted access, absolutely no conditions so no adopted adult is left behind. State Representative William B. Black 314 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 217-782-4811 FAX: 217-782-1873 OR: State Representative William B. Black 7 E. Fairchild Danville, IL 61832 217-431-1986 FAX: 217-431-2088 How and Why Are Adoptees' Records Sealed? Original birth certificates have never been sealed to protect the privacy or confidentiality of the birth mother. The records were sealed to protect the new legal family unit created by the court – the adoptive family. Here is how it has always been done. 1. A birth mother signs irrevocable relinquishment documents after giving birth to her child and BEFORE ANY ADOPTION TAKES PLACE. The relinquishment documents are permanently & legally binding. At this time, the birthmother gives up all her legal rights to this child forever. 2. The child’s original birth certificate and adoption records are ordered sealed by a judge ONLY at the time that the judge signs a final adoption decree. 3. A court order to seal original birth documents is never made until the time of the finalization of the adoption. 4. Children who were not adopted, such as foster children, have full access to their original birth certificate. It is not impounded and sealed because they were never adopted. More Interesting Books Adoption Reunion - Ecstasy or Agony?, by Evelyn Robinson Twice Born: Memoirs of An Adopted Daughter, by Betty Lifton IllinoisOpen.Org: Anita Walker Field, Skokie, IL Mary Lynn Fuller, Urbana, IL We are volunteers and do not ask for nor receive donations. There is no membership fee. Illinois Open should NOT be confused with Adoption Reform Illinois or Green Ribbon Campaign. Please forward as far and as wide as possible! To subscribe to this monthly eNewsletter just send an email to obc@ilopen.org.

Here is a book that has a section on travel. Google the following and you can read it free via google books. You can get page l or the index on p. 13 by entering it into the search box. Home Life in Colonial Days By Alice Morse Earle, George Williston Nash Lauraine

Found this book and the pages can be turned by using the arrows: http://books.google.com/books?id=y2-b1TvD91kC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&ots=UCDfV554rz&dq=Colonial+Times+%2B+travel+modes The book is caled Home Life in Colonial Day By Alice Morse Earle, George Williston Nash