While researching Vitamin D3, ran across this site. You will note this newspaper has an obituary section and obituary/Legacy section: http://www.clintonherald.com/opinion/local_story_266102925.html?keyword=topstory Today received an email from my lst cousin about his daughter's wedding. They were married on Mackinac Island in Michigan. The couple live in Ontario. Had never heard of the Island so googled and it sounds very nice. No motorized vehicles are allowed with travel being by horse or horse & carriage, bikes or foot. http://www.mackinacisland.org/ When googling also spotted the following site: http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/mimack/marriages/data/nameindex.asp?MackinacMarriagesPage=15 This site is quite interesting as if you click on one area, you get the source of the marriage information. Hope these sites might be useful to someone. Lauraine

HI, If anyone has relatives that came from Canada you might be interested in the Caladonian Record which has news of the towns in the Northeast Kingdom of VT and Northern, NH. Here's a web address http://caledonianrecord.com/index.asp?PollID=107#PollSection Today a picture of Stanstead, Quebec is in it with story. Harriet --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Darlene <darlene.poppe@adelphia.net> wrote: From: Darlene <darlene.poppe@adelphia.net> Subject: [ancestorhunters] NEWSPAPERS To: ancestorhunters@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 12:44 PM   This was posted by Sunny from Ohio Group....... I have not tried them so hope they work. NEWSPAPERS - most are free. The first one is kinda new to me, small but just starting...give it time. http://www.personal butpolite. com dedicated to the "comings and goings" of the citizens of the town. http://www.genealog ybuff.com/ papers.htm FREE Be sure to scroll all the way down the results page. http://www.newspape rarchive. com/Default. aspx FEE I am subscribed. If you have something you's like me to search let me know. http://theoldentime s.com/news. htm FREE http://groups. msn.com/Cambridg eJeffersonian187 8-1906 FREE MSN group of nice people who will search those dates for you. Join and post under Messages link on left panel. http://www.newspape rabstracts. com/ FREE http://www.ancestor hunt.com/ RESOURCES as well as their own archive: obits, bible records, newspapers, Transcriptions, images & more. http://www.paperofr ecord.com/ FREE http://www.worldvit alrecords. com/contentlisti ng.aspx?cat= news FEE http://www.genealog ybank.com/ gbnk/keyword. html?p_topdoc= 1&p_queryname= 1 FRE http://www.oldnewsp apers-search. com/ FREE OBITS http://oa.newsbank. com http://www.obitcent ral.com http://www.cousinco nnect.com http://www.deathind exes.com http://www.proofmar k.com/CWL/ cwgraves. htm http://www.daddezio .com/obituary/ depot/index. html http://www.capecodg ravestones. com/ http://www.intermen t.net/us/ http://pages. prodigy.net/ teafor2/ http://www.familyde athrecords. com/ http://www.findagra ve.com/ http://www.funeraln et.com/ http://www.genealog ybuff.com/ http://www.national obituaryarchive. com/ http://www.newspape robituaries. net/index. html __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Database MARKETPLACE Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  3 New Members  1 New Photos  3 New LinksVisit Your Group Group Charity Give a laptop Get a laptop: One laptop per child Yahoo! Groups Small Business Group Improve your business by community exchange Hollywood kids in the spotlight Their moms share secrets . __,_._,___

First saw this on Dick Eastman and today Randy Seaver mentioned it on his Genea=Musings Blog. Posting the site for those who don't read either of these. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778275,00.html Lauraine

Today was looking at some old photographs of a Scottish family offered by this site: http://www.ambaile.org.uk/ If you look through the photos and at the Williamson family, there are some interesting bits about sheep shearing & travelling folk plus some great old photos. My interest in Scotland and the Highlands comes from both my HIRD/HERD/NICOL & SMITH families. Of course there is also my Agnes Nichol/Nickle family. Agnes is buried in New York and one of my 3x g. grandmother. No idea of her parents, but the local library has the book in that might solve this problem and crumble one more brick wall. Hope to get over this week. In early October, will be travelling to Nova Scotia and then on to Newfoundland. Have never been to the East Coast so rather excited. If weather and time permit, may take a quick trip down to Maine to look around my Grandfather WHITTIER's home area. This is not a genealogy trip but a soccer trip. One of my granddaughter's is in the National Soccer Tournament. These are players from various community clubs throughout Canada. Apparently Pier 21 is now a museum and it is one place I would like to visit. Many of Canada's 2nd World War Brides landed there - including my Aunt. Lauraine

My dear friend, George William Howard Owens died about four years at age 95 He had given me his father's and mother's name and that his mother's family from Irelandhad a moving company in Canada and that some relatives were in Vermont. HIs father's name was William Howard Owen and they lived on Long Island in I believe Rosedale secton. His mother's name was May Nellie Nolan and she went by the name of Nellie. I would imagine the Catholic Churches have more information as he was brought up Cathoic. I am passing this information on because I have it written and wanted others to have it before my written record disappears. Harriet Cady  

ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR IL ADOPTEES September 2009 ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR IL ADOPTEES is a monthly eNewsletter bringing you all the news that's fit to print from the Land of Lincoln. We are a voice for the Illinois Open Organization, www.ILOpen.org ILLINOIS OPEN MISSION STATEMENT It is the civil and human right of ALL ADOPTED ADULTS to have access to their original birth records unconditionally and free from falsification. Our goal is to challenge Illinois legislators to restore this civil and human right to all adopted men and women. We will not support legislation that places any restrictions on the rights of all adopted adults' access to their obc's. It is not our primary goal to be a search organization. We are independent of any other group. How Do Illinois Adopted Adults Get Their OBCS Today? At the current time, Illinois is a completely closed state. Adoptees can only get their obcs by petitioning the court. The court very rarely grants an adoptee's petition. A 69 year old Viet Nam veteran, who only discovered that he was adopted two years ago, was turned down by the judge with a typical boilerplate letter. And then out of the blue and without any explanation, the state sent him his adoption decree with all the names whited out. Another adoptee, born in 1936, was told by the powers that be that he must hire an attorney if he wants to petition. So he hired his lawyer, the lawyer filed his petition, and the judge turned him down anyway. If the court is continually turning down adoptees' petitions, how does an Illinois adoptee ever get his or her obc? Good question. The only place we can look is to the legislature. But so far, our lawmakers have only set into motion legislation containing restrictions on which adopted adults will be able to get their obcs. Some adoptees will always get left behind. Attempts have been made to get a good bill passed in Illinois but none have been successful so far. The sponsor of these bills over the years has been Representative Sara Feigenholtz (D-Chgo), an adoptee herself. She reasons that it is impossible to get a good bill passed because of legislators like Rep. Black and others who want to keep the status quo. She's from the school that believes, "Something is better than nothing." "Last year's proposed bill," Rep. Feigenholtz told us proudly, "would have given about 95 - 97% of Illinois adoptees their obcs." Rep. Feigenholtz felt that was a pretty good trade-off. She has told us on many occasions that's it's all politics. This is a very scary situation, because if we aren't always vigilant, one day one of Representative Feigenholtz' conditional bills will pass and then Illinois will be stuck with a law that discriminates against different groups of adoptees. Representative Feigenholtz, I wonder what you would say to an adoptee who fell into that 3% or 4% or 5% hole you create with a bill that provides for less than 100% access of obcs. Will you tell the left-out adoptees that leaving them out in the cold was the politically expedient thing to do? Would you pin a badge onto the left-out adoptees and tell them they are martyrs to the cause? Would you tell the left-out adoptees that you'll come back in 3 or 5 or 10 years to revisit the law and then you will support changing it to include all adopted adults in the state? And by the way, what will you say to the left-out adoptee whose birth mother passed away two years after your bill was passed? Will you tell the left-behinds that with all political issues there have to be some scapegoats? Would you tell them what "good sports" they are? Will you ever tell them you're sorry? Adopted adults must stand together and demand that any original birth certificate bill will unconditionally cover 100% of the adoptees born and adopted in Illinois! IL House of Representative William B. Black Rep. Black (R) 104th District has announced that he will not seek re-election. But while he is still in office it would do no harm to attempt to educate him regarding adopted adults having access to their original birth certificate. He does have many followers so to educate him could in turn educate others. One of our readers has provided his email address: wbblack@cooketech.net. Other ways to contact him are: State Representative William B. Black 314 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 217-782-4811 FAX: 217-782-1873 OR: State Representative William B. Black 7 E. Fairchild Danville, IL 61832 217-431-1986 FAX: 217-431-2088 Having a Birth Name and Requesting Your Original Birth Certificate Some adopted adults knowing their birth name and that of their birth mother have requested their original birth certificate. Some have been more fortunate than others with receiving it. Even if you have been denied, if it has been a while since you have requested one, you might want to try again. Do keep in mind that it could be a waste of money but there is a chance you could receive it. There is probably a better chance of receiving one from the county in which you were born in than Vital Statistics in Springfield. Whether someone failed to seal some original birth certificates or if requests have reached a sympathetic court clerk, we don't know. It is unfortunate that not every adopted adult knows their birth name and that of their birth mother. But those who do might not want to leave this stone unturned. Just keep in mind that you could be told that the birth certificate can't be found or a clerk might just tell you that adoptees do not have access according to the Illinois adoption laws. IllinoisOpen.Org: Anita Walker Field, Skokie, IL Mary Lynn Fuller, Urbana, IL We are volunteers and do not ask for nor receive donations. There is no membership fee. Illinois Open should NOT be confused with Adoption Reform Illinois or Green Ribbon Campaign. Please forward as far and as wide as possible! To subscribe to this monthly eNewsletter just send an email to obc@ilopen.org.

Yes, and then further west there was Rupert's Land and the Territories mainly controlled by the Hudson Bay Company. Saskatchewan and Alberta became provinces in 1905 and the northern part of Manitoba joined the Province in 1912, shortly after my late father's birth. If you can't find someone on census in these Provinces, look under Territories - learned this the hard way. Lauraine > > From: Carol MacLean <ritam@axion.net> > Date: 2009/09/15 Tue AM 08:25:49 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Dominion of Canada" and Nova Scotia, 1860's > > Betty > > One more point of interest in the history of CANADA.... > > Before it was Upper & Lower Canada, it was called Canada East & Canada West.. > > Carol MacLean in Vancouver, BC, Canada > > ***************************************** > > >Hi again, > > > >Here is a page describing the history of the "Dominion of Canada," and I > >just read something I didn't know: > > > >The name Canada comes from a St. Lawrence Iroquoian word, kanata, meaning > >"village" or "settlement". In 1535, indigenous inhabitants of the > >present-day Quebec City region used the word to direct French explorer > >Jacques Cartier towards the village of Stadacona. Cartier later used > >the word Canada to refer not only to that particular village, but also the > >entire area subject to Donnacona (the chief at Stadacona); by 1545, European > >books and maps had begun referring to this region as Canada. > > > >>From the early 17th century onwards, that part of New France that lay along > >the Saint Lawrence River and the northern shores of the Great Lakes was > >named Canada, an area that was later split into two British colonies, Upper > >Canada and Lower Canada, until their re-unification as the Province of > >Canada in 1841. Upon Confederation in 1867, the name Canada was adopted as > >the legal name for the new country,[13] and Dominion was conferred as the > >country's title;[14] combined, the term Dominion of Canada was in common > >usage until the 1950s > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada > > > >This page doesn't really concentrate on what was going on in Nova Scotia > >during the 1700's. > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia > > > >This page mentions "the Planters" during the 1700's: > > > >http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/About_Clans/HtySctNS.html > > > >.. That's all I can offer this morning. > > > >Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > >List Administrator > > > >FYI: > > > >In this search, I came across this Google/Book. I don't know who the > >gentleman was, but maybe someone is interested in the story: > > > >http://books.google.com/books?id=IeBxAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Nova+Scotia+history%22&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=oXKvSticHdPslAfWp_25Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > > > > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, > >I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to > >include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please > >make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > > >To search the archives: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > >The information page is: > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again, Here is a page describing the history of the "Dominion of Canada," and I just read something I didn't know: The name Canada comes from a St. Lawrence Iroquoian word, kanata, meaning "village" or "settlement". In 1535, indigenous inhabitants of the present-day Quebec City region used the word to direct French explorer Jacques Cartier towards the village of Stadacona. Cartier later used the word Canada to refer not only to that particular village, but also the entire area subject to Donnacona (the chief at Stadacona); by 1545, European books and maps had begun referring to this region as Canada. >From the early 17th century onwards, that part of New France that lay along the Saint Lawrence River and the northern shores of the Great Lakes was named Canada, an area that was later split into two British colonies, Upper Canada and Lower Canada, until their re-unification as the Province of Canada in 1841. Upon Confederation in 1867, the name Canada was adopted as the legal name for the new country,[13] and Dominion was conferred as the country's title;[14] combined, the term Dominion of Canada was in common usage until the 1950s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada This page doesn't really concentrate on what was going on in Nova Scotia during the 1700's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia This page mentions "the Planters" during the 1700's: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/About_Clans/HtySctNS.html .. That's all I can offer this morning. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator FYI: In this search, I came across this Google/Book. I don't know who the gentleman was, but maybe someone is interested in the story: http://books.google.com/books?id=IeBxAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Nova+Scotia+history%22&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=oXKvSticHdPslAfWp_25Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Hi again, The most known event for the 1860's in the U.S. was the "Civil War." I just looked on-line and saw that was when the "Dominion of Canada" was formed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Canada#Democracy:_Post-Confederation_Canada_1867.E2.80.931914 But, in a search for "Canada history timeline," I found a site mentioning "women in history" and this site mentions "women's suffrage." Here are 2 women mentioned on this page: Born as a slave in Maryland, escapes in 1849. Member of the Underground Railroad network. Leads more than 300 other slaves to freedom. During the Civil War is a scout for the Union Army. A leading suffragette up until her death. ... Born 1823 as a free American black woman. Emigrates to Windsor, Ontario in 1851, opens a school for fugitives' children. In 1853, is first black woman in North America to found a weekly newspaper - Provincial Freedom. Returns to the U.S. At 60 graduates as only one of two black women lawyers in America. A committed suffragette, first Black woman ever to cast a vote in a federal U.S. election. http://www.ufcw.ca/Default.aspx?SectionID=c3343ccd-2a67-4166-ae79-3ad8816ec0ec&LanguageId=1 -- There are probably lots to discuss about the 1860's in North America. That is also when the "Home Children" started arriving ! Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator

Hello, I've been wanting for 5 years to write a story about my grandmother's life. I had typed up the story a few years ago, but only typed up the details in report form. This year I wanted to type it up as a story, but couldn't decide how to start the story out. Should it start out with all the lies the adoptive couple told her while she lived in their home? Should it start out with 1888 and early 1889 when she was conceived and born? Etc. But, over the weekend, I decided. I'm going to start with John and Mary (CLARK) DEXTER's life in Killingly, CT, from 1850 until 1880's. I'll mention what was going on in CT during the Civil-War years, and before and after. And, I'll mention that the lost 2 daughters, and later a granddaughter. Etc. I'm going to have to find a book at a library on the history of Connecticut. Or, I have some old Encyclopedias in my home, and maybe I'll get some information from them. I also want to check out which "epidemics" were going on during 1850's to 1880's in New England. I know there are many reasons why pre-schooler child / toddler would get very sick, and then die. But, the "flu" could be the most probable reason. I did find out that the Dexter's 14-year-old daughter died from Diptheria, and I read that's a terrible disease. http://hawkshome.net/misc_items/events/epidemic_timeline.htm If you look at that timeline, it says that many epidemics happened along the many, major ports on the "East Coast" of the U.S. (Possibly in the Maritime Provinces?) And, I had already read that sailors and mariner would get these "horrible diseases" while "at sea" and bring them back to the ports in the U.S. On that chart is was 1865-1875 (also the Civil-War years, or the aftermath of them). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War Speaking of that, I learned that John Dexter, even in his 30's, seemingly did not fight in that War. I don't know why. But, he had a cousin, with same name, and of same age, who did fight. It took me a while to find out which John was my (supposed) ancestor. When I mentioned this to someone this week, they said that some men were able to "pay" another man to fight for them. And some "men of color" made arrangements to fight for their "owner" - in exchange for their freedom. Just my thoughts this morning. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator

Betty One more point of interest in the history of CANADA.... Before it was Upper & Lower Canada, it was called Canada East & Canada West.. Carol MacLean in Vancouver, BC, Canada ***************************************** >Hi again, > >Here is a page describing the history of the "Dominion of Canada," and I >just read something I didn't know: > >The name Canada comes from a St. Lawrence Iroquoian word, kanata, meaning >"village" or "settlement". In 1535, indigenous inhabitants of the >present-day Quebec City region used the word to direct French explorer >Jacques Cartier towards the village of Stadacona. Cartier later used >the word Canada to refer not only to that particular village, but also the >entire area subject to Donnacona (the chief at Stadacona); by 1545, European >books and maps had begun referring to this region as Canada. > >>From the early 17th century onwards, that part of New France that lay along >the Saint Lawrence River and the northern shores of the Great Lakes was >named Canada, an area that was later split into two British colonies, Upper >Canada and Lower Canada, until their re-unification as the Province of >Canada in 1841. Upon Confederation in 1867, the name Canada was adopted as >the legal name for the new country,[13] and Dominion was conferred as the >country's title;[14] combined, the term Dominion of Canada was in common >usage until the 1950s > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada > >This page doesn't really concentrate on what was going on in Nova Scotia >during the 1700's. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia > >This page mentions "the Planters" during the 1700's: > >http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/About_Clans/HtySctNS.html > >.. That's all I can offer this morning. > >Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > >List Administrator > >FYI: > >In this search, I came across this Google/Book. I don't know who the >gentleman was, but maybe someone is interested in the story: > >http://books.google.com/books?id=IeBxAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Nova+Scotia+history%22&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=oXKvSticHdPslAfWp_25Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, >I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to >include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please >make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > >To search the archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >The information page is: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is terrible. I think that the little girl in that case deserved to know who she was....... if not as a child, someone should have left her a letter or something to be read later on...... or someone appointed to tell her the story. Everyone has a right to know his/her own identity. ...whether it be good or bad!!! -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:42 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox" scanndel Hi again, My grandmother's birth could have ended up in many, different situations. My siblings and cousins, and her only surviving child will probably "never" find out the truth about who her birth-parents were. She was Oops. I'm watching a very old movie right now, while I'm typing, and Jimmy Durante just told a "tall tale" to the IRS and FBI agents about the money they've been receiving "from Heaven." The tall tale started out with him being a 2-day old baby in a basket and someone "stole" him and "sold" him. (The Amazing Rupert) How is that for coincidence? Anyways, my grandmother was conceived during the "summer of 1888" - somewhere. I can only come up with an educated-guess that a married lady in Killingly, CT, had a pregnancy outside of her marriage. She lived on a farm and her husband had a good job, and they were a respectable couple. So, "who" got her pregnant. A wild imagination can come up with many possibilities. It was around the same time that her parents "left town" and moved to Melrose, MA. And, "somehow" a little baby girl started living in the house with them. They formally adopted the little girl in 1892, just after she turned 3. During her pre-school years, when important company came to call, she was told to stay in the back room of the house. Soon after she turned 10, the adoptive mother died, and she was taken to an orphanage. (Etc.) When she was about 8, she overheard a conversation. A man said, "Some day that little girl 'must' learn who her real father was." She never did. But, that means that both the adoptive parents and other people "knew" who her birth-parents were ! I was reminded 2 years ago about "the Victorian Era," which became a story of the "have's" and the "have-not's" in England. Read below for more of the story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era But, "Victorian America" told a slightly different story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_America And this is what I've been trying to find on-line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality The 1800's in England were terrible, especially in London and Liverpool and other large cities in the U.K. And, the 1800's in North America - couldn't help be somewhat similar to life in the U.K. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (The book from England, "Yesterday's Naughty Children" tells many stories of 1850-1900 England life. Not pleasant reading. One boy was sent to a Reform School for 3 years because he had a turnip in his hands. One boy sent to a Reform School for 5 years because he stole 3 apples. Etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <syrnick@mts.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox" scanndel > Hi Linda: > > A child born out of wedlock was considered something very shameful in > earlier times. Families tried to hide this sort of scandal which lent > itself to ugly types of abuse including selling babies to the highest > bidder, etc. > > Am sure this type of thing was not unique to Nova Scotia, Canada and > happened in the U.S. too. In fact there is some suggestion that many > missing young children in the U.S. have been kidnapped and sold on the > blackmarket to backstreet adoption agencies, etc. > > Lauraine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your reference to "butter babies" took my eye. I have never heard the term before. Can you tell me what it means??? masmith -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Mock Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:42 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox" scanndel Hi Listers, One has to wonder why this type of scam was allowed to get as far as it did? Is it because none filed a complaint? or that someone was paid off behind the scenes? Did this type of operation occur elsewhere in the USA? I once read in a mag. about the 1930-1950 Dr's often, sold babies out the back door of their practices,<war brides?> but they kept records ( of sorts ) and that adoptions were traceable through them. I'm glad that many adoption records are available to those who need to medically find the parents, but it breaks my heart to have some parents, bearing such admosity against the child....such as a rape, but blameing the kid isn't heathly either...i have helped several folks in my area find their "past" families, but we hit it lucky and the person was welcomed with open arms, hugs and kisses..happy endings. Welcome any thoughts, but let's not make this a polictical issue... I have been interested in the "butter" babies for about 2 yrs now..I ust can't imagine the "starving of a baby". ~Linda~ "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". Elizabeth Lawerence When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Laurine I was going through email and ran across this one of yours and you roused my curiosity Currier was involved with tanning and preparing leather - seemed they dressed and conditioned the leather once it was tanned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currier A cordinor was a shoemaker http://www.standrewschurch.btinternet.co.uk/cordiner_Trade.htm interesting!!! Have a good one Faye -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:30 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Trades While scannig through some old apprenticelists for Edinburgh, Scotland saw two trades that puzzled me 1. Currier 2. Cordinor Had always thought Currier was somthing to do with horses or printing but looked it up so am sharing these definitions with the list: 1. http://www.maybole.org/home/pettit/currier.htm 2.http://www.standrewschurch.btinternet.co.uk/cordiner_Trade.htm Would never have got the second meaning and am wondering if it only applied to Scotland. Lauraine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lauraine, Thanks for the responce. You have to wonder what "freaks of nature" would steal a kid to make a $ gain...american children, [I've heard] do bring a high "Black market" value..and i would think that many a snatched child has ended up over seas also...a few have made it back to the USA to talk of the inhuman treatments of their captors...child proversion isn't just a USA item ...{shuddering}. Its feels like rain here today, its 62 and not even 8 A . Was 103F yesterday. ouch! ~Linda~ "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". Elizabeth Lawerence

Hi again, My grandmother's birth could have ended up in many, different situations. My siblings and cousins, and her only surviving child will probably "never" find out the truth about who her birth-parents were. She was Oops. I'm watching a very old movie right now, while I'm typing, and Jimmy Durante just told a "tall tale" to the IRS and FBI agents about the money they've been receiving "from Heaven." The tall tale started out with him being a 2-day old baby in a basket and someone "stole" him and "sold" him. (The Amazing Rupert) How is that for coincidence? Anyways, my grandmother was conceived during the "summer of 1888" - somewhere. I can only come up with an educated-guess that a married lady in Killingly, CT, had a pregnancy outside of her marriage. She lived on a farm and her husband had a good job, and they were a respectable couple. So, "who" got her pregnant. A wild imagination can come up with many possibilities. It was around the same time that her parents "left town" and moved to Melrose, MA. And, "somehow" a little baby girl started living in the house with them. They formally adopted the little girl in 1892, just after she turned 3. During her pre-school years, when important company came to call, she was told to stay in the back room of the house. Soon after she turned 10, the adoptive mother died, and she was taken to an orphanage. (Etc.) When she was about 8, she overheard a conversation. A man said, "Some day that little girl 'must' learn who her real father was." She never did. But, that means that both the adoptive parents and other people "knew" who her birth-parents were ! I was reminded 2 years ago about "the Victorian Era," which became a story of the "have's" and the "have-not's" in England. Read below for more of the story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era But, "Victorian America" told a slightly different story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_America And this is what I've been trying to find on-line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality The 1800's in England were terrible, especially in London and Liverpool and other large cities in the U.K. And, the 1800's in North America - couldn't help be somewhat similar to life in the U.K. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (The book from England, "Yesterday's Naughty Children" tells many stories of 1850-1900 England life. Not pleasant reading. One boy was sent to a Reform School for 3 years because he had a turnip in his hands. One boy sent to a Reform School for 5 years because he stole 3 apples. Etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <syrnick@mts.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox" scanndel > Hi Linda: > > A child born out of wedlock was considered something very shameful in > earlier times. Families tried to hide this sort of scandal which lent > itself to ugly types of abuse including selling babies to the highest > bidder, etc. > > Am sure this type of thing was not unique to Nova Scotia, Canada and > happened in the U.S. too. In fact there is some suggestion that many > missing young children in the U.S. have been kidnapped and sold on the > blackmarket to backstreet adoption agencies, etc. > > Lauraine

Hi Linda: A child born out of wedlock was considered something very shameful in earlier times. Families tried to hide this sort of scandal which lent itself to ugly types of abuse including selling babies to the highest bidder, etc. Am sure this type of thing was not unique to Nova Scotia, Canada and happened in the U.S. too. In fact there is some suggestion that many missing young children in the U.S. have been kidnapped and sold on the blackmarket to backstreet adoption agencies, etc. Lauraine > > From: lindamock@webtv.net (Linda Mock) > Date: 2009/09/11 Fri AM 11:42:10 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox" scanndel > > Hi Listers, > One has to wonder why this type of scam was allowed to get as far as it > did? Is it because none filed a complaint? or that someone was paid off > behind the scenes? Did this type of operation occur elsewhere in the > USA? I once read in a mag. about the 1930-1950 Dr's often, sold babies > out the back door of their practices,<war brides?> but they kept records > ( of sorts ) and that adoptions were traceable through them. > I'm glad that many adoption records are available to those who need to > medically find the parents, but it breaks my heart to have some parents, > bearing such admosity against the child....such as a rape, but blameing > the kid isn't heathly either...i have helped several folks in my area > find their "past" families, but we hit it lucky and the person was > welcomed with open arms, hugs and kisses..happy endings. > Welcome any thoughts, but let's not make this a polictical issue... > I have been interested in the "butter" babies for about 2 yrs now..I ust > can't imagine the "starving of a baby". > > ~Linda~ > "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". > Elizabeth Lawerence > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, One has to wonder why this type of scam was allowed to get as far as it did? Is it because none filed a complaint? or that someone was paid off behind the scenes? Did this type of operation occur elsewhere in the USA? I once read in a mag. about the 1930-1950 Dr's often, sold babies out the back door of their practices,<war brides?> but they kept records ( of sorts ) and that adoptions were traceable through them. I'm glad that many adoption records are available to those who need to medically find the parents, but it breaks my heart to have some parents, bearing such admosity against the child....such as a rape, but blameing the kid isn't heathly either...i have helped several folks in my area find their "past" families, but we hit it lucky and the person was welcomed with open arms, hugs and kisses..happy endings. Welcome any thoughts, but let's not make this a polictical issue... I have been interested in the "butter" babies for about 2 yrs now..I ust can't imagine the "starving of a baby". ~Linda~ "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". Elizabeth Lawerence

Hi Lauraine, It was just mentioned on another List that the same type of "home" or situation went on in other provinces at that same time. Some of the babies being sent to the U.S. from Canada were called "train babies." I'll go check to see which List this was mentioned on. (That reminds me of the "orphan trains" which haven't been discussed lately. That was a "scheme?" (project) to send all the "uncared-for children" out of New York City and Boston - out across the country. But the "Home Children, Canada" were also referred to as children on "orphan trains." That was because, once the children arrived in the "eastern ports," some of them were put on trains to go to either the Prov. of Quebec or the Prov. of Ontario.) And, I have heard from several people who were at that "home" in Nova Scotia. That was a reminder that babies born there could be adults living right now. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: <syrnick@mts.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox Babies" in N.S. some went to NJ / US > Hi Betty: > > There was a movie made about this - recall seeing it. Yes, there was a > big scandal with this > and believe the people who ran this home were arrested and tried. Also, > some babies were > buried in butter boxes and no records of these were kept. This was more > or less a black market > baby outfit. > > Lauraine >> > >

Hi Betty: There was a movie made about this - recall seeing it. Yes, there was a big scandal with this and believe the people who ran this home were arrested and tried. Also, some babies were buried in butter boxes and no records of these were kept. This was more or less a black market baby outfit. Lauraine > > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > Date: 2009/09/09 Wed AM 06:50:43 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Butterbox Babies" in N.S. some went to NJ / US > > Hello, > > The subject of the "Butterbox Babies" in a "home" in Nova Scotia in the > 1920's has been brought up on the "British Home Children" List. I did a > search for the term and found a description of the actual "home" and events > on this site: > > http://www.canadiancrc.com/Butterbox_babies.aspx > > I haven't finished reading it, yet, but I did notice that the couple "sold" > some of the babies and some went to couples in NJ (US). > > Also, part of the discussion on the BHC List is about the teen-age girls who > were arriving in Canada "got pregnant" and how they were treated and dealt > with. > > www.rootsweb.com > Mailing List INDEX > > As part of the discussion, I mentioned that many teen-age girls - anywhere - > did not survive pregnancy and childbirth. I mentioned my KIDDER > gr-gr-grandfather who had an older brother who lived along the Maine / New > Brunswick border in the mid-1800's. He had 5 children with his first > wife, and then had a son with his 2nd wife. They were from Calais, Maine, > but the 1881 census had the family living on Deer Island, New Brunswick. > His teen-age daughter "got pregnant" and at Age 16 she "died in childbirth." > The baby survived and was probably raised by the birth-father's family. A > few months later, John had his 7th child, a little girl. So, during > 1881, John's daughter, Henrietta, died during childbirth, and he had his 7th > child, a little girl, named Henrietta. So, he had a daughter and a > granddaughter born within months of each other (on that island). > > Also, there is a whole lot of information on the above web site. On > quick look, the organization only deals with - children living in Canada > now. But, we sure wish they would at least mention the "British Home > Children" - or even the descendants of the "home children." > > http://www.canadiancrc.com/ > > http://www.britishhomechildren.org/ > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)