Hi Listers, My hubby and I bought property in Trinity Co. CA. in 1966 and it was smack in the middle of the Trinty National Forest. (USDA). It was 5 acres of the tallest trees (120 ft. +). And the straigest Pine/Fir trees around. Once a old lumber mill site, as I lived there 34 yrs, found an awful lot of buried history there. The mill began in 1850-60's and provided Gold Miners and other locals with construction items..in the last 4 years , have found a photo of the orginal site and what sat on my house land....the Mill collasped in 1960 and was taken down or buried on site..also, located on our property was the orginal Army road to the "Gold Country" of Denny, CA. , as the Army was protection for the loads going to the mines.. next to our property was a place called "the Wash", as when they "cracked" the holding pond, the waters carved a good 4 ft. canyon to get to the Trinity River below us...we used to fill it with stuff to build up the wash and help hold the hill together... our house sat on the "burner" site and we found many a broken gear wheel in our construction of the home.. ~Linda~ "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". Elizabeth Lawerence

Oxen/cows were indeed the animals of choice for the early settlers. They were cheap, easy to care for, worked all day and you can eat them. Horses make lousy food (even starving soldiers won't eat a horse) and unlike cattle horses need large areas of grassland for food. Cattle will eat almost anything, horses won't. Wild horses did very well in the grassy southwest USA after being imported by the Spanish. The east was far too deeply forested to support horses and the rivers and swamps here made a canoe a much better transport method in any case . A horse can be bought for $1,000 even today but it's upkeep in care, vet bills, food and new shoes (about every month) will easily cost $1,000+ per month. - not a good bargain. Trees in most places could not be sold by the landowners to others! They like oil and mineral rights today belonged to whomever claimed the prospecting rights to them. Farmers could only cut down trees for farmland and to build their own homes and barns. Land speculaters and lumber companies could take the rest as they liked. Thus the local sawmill owner/lumber merchant was usually a VERY wealthy man. We rarely see the large trees of the past where giant chestnuts* and oaks were 12' across or more and a single piece of oak tree trunk made a ships lower main mast mast over 132' tall x43" in diameter - knot free. Think 3x the longest city telephone pole you can find! Imagine moving that by hand and they did every day often dozens of miles. No wonder people died young but looked so old! Oaks come in over 200 species so the location and species was of great concern to the pioneers as some was very expensive furniture grade and others best for shipbuilding and still others just as firewood/charcoal for the newfangled steel industry. Other trees held the same qualites - good and bad Fortunes were made and lost over the timber industry, much like oil and gas today. Most farmers spent the winters making furniture at home as there was litle else to do. Women often purchased a fancy new machine called a Scroll Saw in the 19th century. A foot powered saw that they could make fancy fretwork decorative items for furniture and "gingerbread" wood trim for the outside of the house. Ministers often preached against such things they they said women were getting ankles that looked too fat and strong! - A snide term for a woman who was pregnant out of wedlock was said to have "fat ankles". So many women turned to another new hobby machine to escape the stigma of being too masculine - the foot powered sewing machine! Now ladies pay big bucks to sit at a stationary bicycle to get strong ankles! How our ancestors and descendents would laugh at us. *Modern chestnut trees are not the same as the giant pioneer ones which were the size of California's redwood trees. The wood looks exactly like oak but is much softer - like pine. A huge number of "oak" furniture peices are in fact chestnut. This type of chestnut was killed off by a blight many years ago and very few remain. Nelson Denton P.S. My own pipe organ manufacturing company started as the "Spencer Brothers" lumber and furniture companies in Owen Sound Ontario in the 1850's. The teenaged brothers held virtual control over the entire town in their day. My Denton's were also big in the furniture/housing/boatbuilding/aircraft trade.

Oxen were the draught animals of choice for many of the earliest families because horses still weren't available in large supply. One of my gr grandfathers and his sons walked through the wilderness to a place where there was a known horse auction. They purchased a team of horses which they then built a raft and rafted themselves with the horses down the Thames River to their homestead in what is now Wardsville in Ontario, Canada. They had the first team of work horses in the area.

Hi: My cousin's daughter was married on Mackinac Island, 14 July, 2009 and honeymooned in the Hotel. They live in Ontario and not sure how they chose that spot for their wedding and honeymoon. Sounds very romantic and am anxious to get photos to add to the Family Tree. Know this Island is no where close to Kingston, Ont. but still have to wonder if my illusive Elizabeth C. HERD and her groom John Kerr Weir did not go somewhere in the One Thousand Islands off Kingston to be married. Still looking for proof of their marriage. If anyone can think of a popular wedding spot circa 1865, please advise. Lauraine > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > Date: 2009/09/27 Sun AM 12:40:28 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages > > FYI, Mackinac Island is a beautiful place! A lot of high school classes > in our area go there for their Senior trips. The island is rich with > history, has a lot of monuments and placques, old cannons, etc. and trails > you can follow. There are no motorized vehicles on the island, only > horse-drawn carriages.......and you can go for rides on them.......all > around the island, to view the various things there. > > They also have the Grand Hotel which sets atop a hill, overlooking the Great > Lakes and a lot of the island. Lots of people go there for their > honeymoons, or just to get away to a quiet place where there are no cars and > trucks, or other speedy ways of life. > > mas

Some families made their fortunes in the lumber trade both in Canada and the U.S. England was hungry for lumber so often the ships brought new immigrants - often the very poor England wanted off the Parish poor rolls - and returned to England with lumber. My Dad used to tell about cutting wood with his brothers. They would cut in a wood lot and haul the wood to someone who needed it for heating, etc. Horse and sleigh were used and this was one way to make a bit of money. Had two uncles who ran a sawmill in the Gault, Ontario area. This area is now called Cambridge, Ont. Think my late uncle told me that they cut the timbers that were used to help build the Toronto subway. No idea if that was a true story or not. Know they had a sawmill as one of my uncles was killed when a log rolled on him. Lauraine > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > Date: 2009/09/27 Sun AM 05:33:33 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > Hello, > > I thought I would start a conversation on - lumber ! I read earlier this > month about people either carrying wood / lumber a long distance in order to > start building a house or building. Or, if a train was available, lumber > was brought to them that way. And, of course, if very early settlers had > a "horse & wagon," they could use them. > > And, if you read on the early history of New England, and probably the > Maritime Provinces, important trees were found here. And people in > England wanted some of that wood ! So, businesses were started ! > > If you watch "Antiques Roadshow," you often hear the furniture experts > mentioning the special wood that a piece of furniture was made of. If my > memory is working correctly, "White Pine" is one that is mostly found in > New England. Are there special trees which are found in Canada and not > so much found in the US? > > Of course, the very early houses / cabins / shacks in the 1600's on the East > Coast and 1700's after people starting heading west of there -- had to > become lumbermen ! If they wanted a house to live in, they needed to cut > down / chop down a few trees. Think of all the tools these settlers > would have needed in order to get the wood into a shape which was needed to > build a cabin. > > How many of you have ever cut down a tree? Or skinned the bark off of a > tree? I have. In the 1950's, my father was fortunate enough to find > a piece of land in MA but on the NH border which was available for sale at a > reasonable price. It was all woods. In order to have a clearing to > put tents on, or build a small shack, my siblings and I had to help cut > down a few trees. We learned about "2-man saws." And then he had one > sister and I build a very small A-frame house. With his help, we did it. > Once built we could set up the cots and sleeping bags inside it. > > And, he found that land because it was a couple miles from a "State Park" > which we visited all during the 1950's and 1960's. "Willard Brook State > Forest" had 4, authentic Log Cabins in it, and people could rent them for a > week or 2 - at a very reasonable price. As children, we loved those > cabins. In the 1950's there were "no" utilities. So, we were > "roughing it." > > And, how many of you had an ancestor who had a sawmill or worked at one? > My Calvin KIDDER from southern NH went to New Brunswick ~1784. He was 18 > or 19, and we don't know how he spent the next 15 years. But, when we > first find him, he was a part-owner of the "Harmony Sawmill" on the shore of > the (then) Schoodic River. I was told that, when you were a part-owner, > that meant you owned which part of the day you were allowed to use the > sawmill. For instance, maybe he was able to use it from 2 am to 4 am. > He sold it around the time he got married to Mercy GREENLAW in the summer of > 1798. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator >

Betty There are only a few of things I can speak to in your email - which of course is like others that always get me thinking! I like where you take us. My grandfather used to tell me about when they built the Cog Railway up Mt. Washington in NH and about how they used teams of oxen to pull the lumber from Vermont to build the tracks, or the framing for the tracks. This was in a much later time frame than you wrote about, but I would guess it was an old way of doing things! I am reading the History of Yarmouth, nicely reprinted as a paperback, and one of the earliest settlers there built a sawmill. The trees in the Salem area were so tall and straight that many of them were cut and shipped to England to be used as ships' masts. The house in which I grew up was built in 1825 but even then the builder could use 1 plank of lumber laid sideways as wainscoting! I can't imagine how big were the trees that were that produced finished planks the width of which were 3 feet! We did some tree felling in Girl Scouts but they were tiny trees! Thanks for some interesting things about which to think Faye -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:34 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build Hello, I thought I would start a conversation on - lumber ! I read earlier this month about people either carrying wood / lumber a long distance in order to start building a house or building. Or, if a train was available, lumber was brought to them that way. And, of course, if very early settlers had a "horse & wagon," they could use them. And, if you read on the early history of New England, and probably the Maritime Provinces, important trees were found here. And people in England wanted some of that wood ! So, businesses were started ! If you watch "Antiques Roadshow," you often hear the furniture experts mentioning the special wood that a piece of furniture was made of. If my memory is working correctly, "White Pine" is one that is mostly found in New England. Are there special trees which are found in Canada and not so much found in the US? Of course, the very early houses / cabins / shacks in the 1600's on the East Coast and 1700's after people starting heading west of there -- had to become lumbermen ! If they wanted a house to live in, they needed to cut down / chop down a few trees. Think of all the tools these settlers would have needed in order to get the wood into a shape which was needed to build a cabin. How many of you have ever cut down a tree? Or skinned the bark off of a tree? I have. In the 1950's, my father was fortunate enough to find a piece of land in MA but on the NH border which was available for sale at a reasonable price. It was all woods. In order to have a clearing to put tents on, or build a small shack, my siblings and I had to help cut down a few trees. We learned about "2-man saws." And then he had one sister and I build a very small A-frame house. With his help, we did it. Once built we could set up the cots and sleeping bags inside it. And, he found that land because it was a couple miles from a "State Park" which we visited all during the 1950's and 1960's. "Willard Brook State Forest" had 4, authentic Log Cabins in it, and people could rent them for a week or 2 - at a very reasonable price. As children, we loved those cabins. In the 1950's there were "no" utilities. So, we were "roughing it." And, how many of you had an ancestor who had a sawmill or worked at one? My Calvin KIDDER from southern NH went to New Brunswick ~1784. He was 18 or 19, and we don't know how he spent the next 15 years. But, when we first find him, he was a part-owner of the "Harmony Sawmill" on the shore of the (then) Schoodic River. I was told that, when you were a part-owner, that meant you owned which part of the day you were allowed to use the sawmill. For instance, maybe he was able to use it from 2 am to 4 am. He sold it around the time he got married to Mercy GREENLAW in the summer of 1798. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (We're still looking for the parents of Mercy GREENLAW. My new idea this summer is that she was related to the GREENLAW siblings who left Maine and went to St. Andrew's, NB, during the 1700's as Loyalists. And, adding to that idea, I'm now wondering if Calvin was on the mailboat with the other men - because he wanted to get to St. Andrew's to "announce the birth of his son." That boat (sailboat) overturned and all 5 men were killed. Calvin's first child was born one week before that. This "Melancholy Accident" was mentioned in the newspapers of the time (Feb. 1799).) 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At 92 years of age, Jane Bockstruck Skydives!  The story of a 92 year old woman is front pagein the Keene, NH Sentenial Newspaper.  I bet someone talking with her would hear  alot of history. I thought soome might want to read and so here is the link   http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/09/27/news/local/free/id_373203.txt Enjoy, Harriet in NH

Hello, I thought I would start a conversation on - lumber ! I read earlier this month about people either carrying wood / lumber a long distance in order to start building a house or building. Or, if a train was available, lumber was brought to them that way. And, of course, if very early settlers had a "horse & wagon," they could use them. And, if you read on the early history of New England, and probably the Maritime Provinces, important trees were found here. And people in England wanted some of that wood ! So, businesses were started ! If you watch "Antiques Roadshow," you often hear the furniture experts mentioning the special wood that a piece of furniture was made of. If my memory is working correctly, "White Pine" is one that is mostly found in New England. Are there special trees which are found in Canada and not so much found in the US? Of course, the very early houses / cabins / shacks in the 1600's on the East Coast and 1700's after people starting heading west of there -- had to become lumbermen ! If they wanted a house to live in, they needed to cut down / chop down a few trees. Think of all the tools these settlers would have needed in order to get the wood into a shape which was needed to build a cabin. How many of you have ever cut down a tree? Or skinned the bark off of a tree? I have. In the 1950's, my father was fortunate enough to find a piece of land in MA but on the NH border which was available for sale at a reasonable price. It was all woods. In order to have a clearing to put tents on, or build a small shack, my siblings and I had to help cut down a few trees. We learned about "2-man saws." And then he had one sister and I build a very small A-frame house. With his help, we did it. Once built we could set up the cots and sleeping bags inside it. And, he found that land because it was a couple miles from a "State Park" which we visited all during the 1950's and 1960's. "Willard Brook State Forest" had 4, authentic Log Cabins in it, and people could rent them for a week or 2 - at a very reasonable price. As children, we loved those cabins. In the 1950's there were "no" utilities. So, we were "roughing it." And, how many of you had an ancestor who had a sawmill or worked at one? My Calvin KIDDER from southern NH went to New Brunswick ~1784. He was 18 or 19, and we don't know how he spent the next 15 years. But, when we first find him, he was a part-owner of the "Harmony Sawmill" on the shore of the (then) Schoodic River. I was told that, when you were a part-owner, that meant you owned which part of the day you were allowed to use the sawmill. For instance, maybe he was able to use it from 2 am to 4 am. He sold it around the time he got married to Mercy GREENLAW in the summer of 1798. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (We're still looking for the parents of Mercy GREENLAW. My new idea this summer is that she was related to the GREENLAW siblings who left Maine and went to St. Andrew's, NB, during the 1700's as Loyalists. And, adding to that idea, I'm now wondering if Calvin was on the mailboat with the other men - because he wanted to get to St. Andrew's to "announce the birth of his son." That boat (sailboat) overturned and all 5 men were killed. Calvin's first child was born one week before that. This "Melancholy Accident" was mentioned in the newspapers of the time (Feb. 1799).)

Good point, Barbara. Mary Anne out in Howell, MI........ -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Brown Allen Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:21 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages FYI -- and we in Michigan pronounce Mackinac "mack-in-awe" never "mack-in-ak" --- Barbara Dearborn, Michigan -----Original Message----- >From: syrnick@mts.net >Sent: Sep 23, 2009 5:13 PM >To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages > >While researching Vitamin D3, ran across this site. You will note this newspaper has an obituary section and obituary/Legacy section: > >http://www.clintonherald.com/opinion/local_story_266102925.html?keyword=top story > >Today received an email from my lst cousin about his daughter's wedding. They were married on Mackinac Island in Michigan. The couple live in Ontario. Had never heard of the Island so googled and it sounds very nice. No motorized vehicles are allowed with travel being by horse or horse & carriage, bikes or foot. > >http://www.mackinacisland.org/ When googling also spotted the following site: > >http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/mimack/marriages/data/nameindex.asp?Mackinac MarriagesPage=15 > >This site is quite interesting as if you click on one area, you get the source of the marriage information. Hope these sites might be useful to someone. > >Lauraine > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > >To search the archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >The information page is: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________ "Second star to the right . . . straight on 'til morning." -- J.M. Barrie When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI, Mackinac Island is a beautiful place! A lot of high school classes in our area go there for their Senior trips. The island is rich with history, has a lot of monuments and placques, old cannons, etc. and trails you can follow. There are no motorized vehicles on the island, only horse-drawn carriages.......and you can go for rides on them.......all around the island, to view the various things there. They also have the Grand Hotel which sets atop a hill, overlooking the Great Lakes and a lot of the island. Lots of people go there for their honeymoons, or just to get away to a quiet place where there are no cars and trucks, or other speedy ways of life. mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:14 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages While researching Vitamin D3, ran across this site. You will note this newspaper has an obituary section and obituary/Legacy section: http://www.clintonherald.com/opinion/local_story_266102925.html?keyword=tops tory Today received an email from my lst cousin about his daughter's wedding. They were married on Mackinac Island in Michigan. The couple live in Ontario. Had never heard of the Island so googled and it sounds very nice. No motorized vehicles are allowed with travel being by horse or horse & carriage, bikes or foot. http://www.mackinacisland.org/ When googling also spotted the following site: http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/mimack/marriages/data/nameindex.asp?MackinacM arriagesPage=15 This site is quite interesting as if you click on one area, you get the source of the marriage information. Hope these sites might be useful to someone. Lauraine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello! While doing some Manitoba research in Bill Richard's site, ran across these old photographs taken in Brandon, Manitoba, Cda. If you look at bottom & into archives 12, there are some old ones for the late 1800's. Saw one with wooden sidewalks, some cutlery for a hotel that lost their original order in the sinking of the Titanic, etc. Am a fan of old photos and hoping there might be a couple more on the list who enjoy them too. The "Normal School" in Manitoba was a Teachers College. In one of the archives there was a photo of Indians at the fair and also some of leather postcards http://www.angelfire.com/trek/webzine/brandon1.html As a youngster, attended the Brandon Fair numerous times. Entering Brandon, one saw the Brandon Insane Asylum - name changed to Mental Institution later on. Brandon is the 2nd largest city in Manitoba - my birth Province. Some nice old photos of harvest machines, etc. Lauraine

Hi Linda: As I don't get the digest mode, am not sure which story you are referring to? FYI I subscribe to Dick Eastman's newsletter and try to read CNN news and BBC news on-line most days. Also try to look at these two sites a couple times a weeki: http://askolivetree.blogspot.com/ and http://www.geneamusings.com/. I have the RSS feed fo the BBC news. Since much of my research is now in the UK, find it interesting to read their take on the world news. A couple of times a week do look at my local Winnipeg Free Press on-line and once a month or so scan the obituaries for Winnipeg and those published in Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. Also look at the Shetland Times (my Smith family birthplace)every so often as well as some of the down under papers. I do not read things closely and do a lot of scan reading. Only read those items that take my interest more thoroughly. If something really grabs me, might google for more information. Lauraine > > From: lindamock@webtv.net (Linda Mock) > Date: 2009/09/26 Sat AM 10:59:24 CDT > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] CAN-USA-MIGRATION Digest, Vol 3, Issue 320 > > Lauraine, > Great story, Thanks for sharing. > Where do you find these neat readings? > > ~Linda~ > "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". > Elizabeth Lawerence > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lauraine, Great story, Thanks for sharing. Where do you find these neat readings? ~Linda~ "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". Elizabeth Lawerence

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8275269.stm

Hello: Had never heard of this famine either but knew the Canadian troops were very welcomed when they entered Holland. To this day, the Dutch have a special place in their hearts for the Canadians. Think they may have given them some of their food? When reading old death registrations, one often sees under cause of death marasmus and Phthisis. It appears that lots of people died from marasmus which is a disease from poor diet or lack of nourishing food. Think I posted this before, but here is a list of old medical terms: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgwkidz/oldmedterm.htm Will spend some time reading up on the hunger winter. Lauraine > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > Date: 2009/09/24 Thu AM 07:09:52 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "The Netherlands" and the "Hunger Winter" (O-T?) > > Hello, > > I was awake around 11 pm last night long enough to watch parts of 2 shows on > a PBS station. One was about "How STRESS - kills !" Part of what I > saw on the show was a discussion about the "Hunger Winter" which occurred in > The Netherlands" in 1944. It is also referred to as "the Dutch Famine of > 1944." > > The Dutch famine of 1944 (known as hongerwinter ("Hunger winter") in Dutch) > was a famine that took place in the occupied nothern part of the Netherlands > during the winter of 1944-1945, near the end of World War II. A total > of 18,000 people died during the famine. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944 > > Many researchers have heard about the famine in Ireland, but I don't > remember hearing about this other famine. > > Oh, I just went to Google for the "Irish famine" and found this Google/Book > which might interest some. The title reminds me that the "Potato Famine" > happened 100 years before the "Dutch famine." > > http://books.google.com/books?id=LK08EdwvCIcC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=%22Potato+Famine+Ireland%22&source=bl&ots=aL9tOPwkVe&sig=Lrrsv4pphKgR_Hx_3u9Ec3ZqC4Q&hl=en&ei=lFu7So3GA8KylAfiuvG8DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=%22Potato%20Famine%20Ireland%22&f=false > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) > > One reminder here is that my KERR and HENDERSON ancestors left Ireland in > 1823 - some 20 years before the Potato Famine. And, my HANNAH / RITCHIE > couple left in 1857. They were born in Ireland but married in Scotland and > left from there. > > Just "food for thought" this morning -- which the people in the U.K. for > hundreds of years did not have ! > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ladies, I plan on when the "Snow" flys, today to be 100+ again for the 5th month in a row...to begin searching for my hubbys family, surnmame MOCK, from PA. My question is... anyone here that could contact me off list for a bit of help in the Bedford Co, area? I will be back in the evening PSDT...pacific standard Daylight time. 6PM. I find this list very interesting in the links and topic's that arise...good stuff! ~Linda~ "Everyone must take the time to sit and watch the leaves turn". Elizabeth Lawerence

Hi again, Last night on that PBS show, or the next one, I heard a quote: "Our ancestors are invisible; they are always with us." It was supposed to be said by St. Augustine. This morning I went on-line to find out what the exact quote was. I found out that the original quote was said - like 1600 years ago ! And, as with another quote which changed, it reads a little differently: * The main theme of the unity of the visible and invisible worlds is the existence of spirits. We all will physically die someday. But, our physical death is not the end of our life. After physical death, our soul will remain and continue to live in the spiritual world. Our ancestors have already gone physically. However, their spirits are still with us. They are always watching and guiding us with love. But, many people do not know this because spirits are invisible. --- I don't know anything about this web site or about the church which is mentioned, but it is where I found that quote: http://companion.gedatsu-usa.org/taki6505.html And here is a brief biography of St. Augustine's life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo Just an FYI for you. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator * Maybe 6 years ago I became curious what the original quote was for: "I complained because I had no shoes. Then I met a man who had no feet." It took me a while of searching on-line to find out who originally said it: Book: The Gulistan, Or Rose Garden. Sadi's Gulistan, or The Rose Garden, is both one of the best known of the Sufi classics and a major work of Persian literature. From its creation in the first half of the 13th century, this work has attained popularity in the East which is unsurpassed. To this day it is quoted by schoolchildren and scholars alike. "Like all Sufi materials, Sadi's Rose Garden contains information, and is formulated, to gain acceptance in the culture in which it is projected - and is an instrument of enlightenment and experience. It is not for nothing that people say, "Har lafz-i-Sadi, Haftad-o-do màni" (Each word of Sadi has 72 meanings)." http://www.flipkart.com/gulistan-rose-garden-john-platts/8130700069-su23f9ngap I probably can't find the original saying on-line this morning, but I did read it before, and it read a whole lot differently in the 1200's in Persia.

Hello, I was awake around 11 pm last night long enough to watch parts of 2 shows on a PBS station. One was about "How STRESS - kills !" Part of what I saw on the show was a discussion about the "Hunger Winter" which occurred in The Netherlands" in 1944. It is also referred to as "the Dutch Famine of 1944." The Dutch famine of 1944 (known as hongerwinter ("Hunger winter") in Dutch) was a famine that took place in the occupied nothern part of the Netherlands during the winter of 1944-1945, near the end of World War II. A total of 18,000 people died during the famine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944 Many researchers have heard about the famine in Ireland, but I don't remember hearing about this other famine. Oh, I just went to Google for the "Irish famine" and found this Google/Book which might interest some. The title reminds me that the "Potato Famine" happened 100 years before the "Dutch famine." http://books.google.com/books?id=LK08EdwvCIcC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=%22Potato+Famine+Ireland%22&source=bl&ots=aL9tOPwkVe&sig=Lrrsv4pphKgR_Hx_3u9Ec3ZqC4Q&hl=en&ei=lFu7So3GA8KylAfiuvG8DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=%22Potato%20Famine%20Ireland%22&f=false http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) One reminder here is that my KERR and HENDERSON ancestors left Ireland in 1823 - some 20 years before the Potato Famine. And, my HANNAH / RITCHIE couple left in 1857. They were born in Ireland but married in Scotland and left from there. Just "food for thought" this morning -- which the people in the U.K. for hundreds of years did not have ! Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator

FYI -- and we in Michigan pronounce Mackinac "mack-in-awe" never "mack-in-ak" --- Barbara Dearborn, Michigan -----Original Message----- >From: syrnick@mts.net >Sent: Sep 23, 2009 5:13 PM >To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages > >While researching Vitamin D3, ran across this site. You will note this newspaper has an obituary section and obituary/Legacy section: > >http://www.clintonherald.com/opinion/local_story_266102925.html?keyword=topstory > >Today received an email from my lst cousin about his daughter's wedding. They were married on Mackinac Island in Michigan. The couple live in Ontario. Had never heard of the Island so googled and it sounds very nice. No motorized vehicles are allowed with travel being by horse or horse & carriage, bikes or foot. > >http://www.mackinacisland.org/ When googling also spotted the following site: > >http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/mimack/marriages/data/nameindex.asp?MackinacMarriagesPage=15 > >This site is quite interesting as if you click on one area, you get the source of the marriage information. Hope these sites might be useful to someone. > >Lauraine > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > >To search the archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >The information page is: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________ "Second star to the right . . . straight on 'til morning." -- J.M. Barrie

Had to mention this again. This site is really great for anyone who had ancestors in the Michigan area: http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/mimack/history/history_online.asp Lauraine