HI Betty, My girlfriend's husband Souza grandparents also came from the Azores and settled on Nantucket as fishermen.  Last year they went back and visited the Azores witrh family and found some relatives still their. She doesn't do genealogy yet but she's Irish McLaughlin and her grandparents were also implants to Nantucket and her great granfather was a whaler who disappeared on one trip they suspect because he had some money he was hijacked and killed in some port. Harriet ________________________________ From: Betty <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:45:25 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] lumber vs mining and then some Hi Faye, Adding to that is the "Whaling" industry that went on for a very long time. If you watch documentaries or old movies about the "whalers,"  those so-called fishermen put their lives on the line - every time they went out on their boat. My husband's grandparents on one side were born in the Azores.    And, his grandmother's father was reported to have been a "whaler."    I know his name but he didn't come to the US when his family did.    Or, at least he didn't come to Massachusetts with them.    There are 2 possibilities; either he "died at sea" or he went to NYC when his wife and kids came to Boston.  (a MOURA family from the Azores ~1900-1910) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_whaling Betty          (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S.    I've mentioned John KIDDER before.  A brother of my gr-gr-grandfather of Calais, ME, 1800's.    A books says "he loved the sea and drowned at sea in 1887."    No one knows the circumstances.  The tragedy could have happened on the other side of the world -  or it could have happened just off the New Brunswick or Nova Scotia shore.    There are no records for him after 1881. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye" <fmrees@nycap.rr.com> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] lumber vs mining and then some > It is amazing to think of all the work that is hazardous now and was > moreso > years ago before the added safety of technological advances. > > I would add fishing to the list with mining and lumbering.. I was > impressed watching > the seas and the boats on Discovery Channel's series "Swords" about > swordfishing - with > their steel hulls they were blown by heavy winds and beaten by rough > seas.. and I kept > thinking of all those men who went before in their not so big sailing > ships - "They that > go down to the sea in ships".  Plenty of men from both Nova Scotia and New > England were lost > to Davy Jones' locker. > > Faye When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was a miners strike in Saskatchewan in 1931 that not too many Canadians are aware of: http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/estevan_coal_strike.html Both large companies and the police forces tried to stop Unions. Lauraine

Hi Listers, Any profession has its risks, right, but our ancestors did learn by trial and error(s). Now most States have regular saftey inspection and or offices that monitor all work sites. And these accidents could very will be the precoursiour to the Saftey Labs that monitor all construction and manafacturing stages of what is being built....had these safety measures been in effect, perhaps the "shirtwaist" factory fire may never have taken so many lives...just a thought. ~Linda~ I'm so busy....i really don't know if I found a rope...or lost my horse ?

It is amazing to think of all the work that is hazardous now and was moreso years ago before the added safety of technological advances. I would add fishing to the list with mining and lumbering.. I was impressed watching the seas and the boats on Discovery Channel's series "Swords" about swordfishing - with their steel hulls they were blown by heavy winds and beaten by rough seas.. and I kept thinking of all those men who went before in their not so big sailing ships - "They that go down to the sea in ships". Plenty of men from both Nova Scotia and New England were lost to Davy Jones' locker. Faye > > I'd argue that mining was far more hazardous than lumber work. > children mined as well, and many men and children were crushed by > coal carts, as well as all the cave-ins from improperly bolstered > cave mines. > > if you have Nova Scotia miner's, this website is a tribute to them.

Hi Cornelia, I just Googled. Is this the site you wanted to mention? http://www43.statcan.ca/03/03b/03b_supp/03b_supp_003_e.htm Is there a book with that name? "The Pits of Cape Breton" ? It appears to be an e-book: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?catno=11-404-XIE2003001&lang=eng&issnote=1 And they are mentioned here: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canghl/pqmar.html (Oops a link is broken. Perhaps hackers were busy.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: <fenenga@connpoint.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] lumber vs mining I'd argue that mining was far more hazardous than lumber work. children mined as well, and many men and children were crushed by coal carts, as well as all the cave-ins from improperly bolstered cave mines. if you have Nova Scotia miner's, this website is a tribute to them. oh, dear. the site is missing right now, but they are thepitsofcapebreton.com when they're back up. they have had a couple vicious attacks, and had acquired some serious firewall protection, but it appears that someone must have got around it again. meanwhile, I see fragments of it online; Cave Breton's Miner's museum was linked to thepits; http://www.minersmuseum.com/hof_haulage_1.htm [1] there's more regarding NS mining if you google for it. Cornelia Links: ------ [1] http://www.minersmuseum.com/hof_haulage_1.htm

I'd argue that mining was far more hazardous than lumber work. children mined as well, and many men and children were crushed by coal carts, as well as all the cave-ins from improperly bolstered cave mines. if you have Nova Scotia miner's, this website is a tribute to them. oh, dear. the site is missing right now, but they are thepitsofcapebreton.com when they're back up. they have had a couple vicious attacks, and had acquired some serious firewall protection, but it appears that someone must have got around it again. meanwhile, I see fragments of it online; Cave Breton's Miner's museum was linked to thepits; http://www.minersmuseum.com/hof_haulage_1.htm [1] there's more regarding NS mining if you google for it. Cornelia Links: ------ [1] http://www.minersmuseum.com/hof_haulage_1.htm

Hi Linda, Just a reminder about all the people, young and old, who have been killed or maimed by -- accidentally falling trees ! People know how to cut down a tree, but "accidents happen." And, yelling, "TIMBER !!!" doesn't always allow a person to get out of the way ! And there were a whole lot more trees and forests in past centuries ! But, people trying to cut down a tree right now - without doing it properly - get killed. Even the large branches can kill you ! As I drive around MA and NH, I'm on so many roads -- where large branches grow right across the roads. And that is so dangerous. Wasn't it about 6 months ago when a man was driving on a NJ major highway (US) -- when a large tree fell on the car - killing everyone in the car. He had only gotten on that highway for one exit ! They say that - "When it's your time ..... !" Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) During the 1980's, I read a lot more books than I do now. I most read history or self-help books, or about the "paranormal." One thing I learned is that many people believe there is a "big book in the sky." It is called the "Akashic records." And, every human on earch has their date of birth and date of death written down in that book --- BEFORE those events happen ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] CAN-USA-MIGRATION Occupational injuries /deaths > Hi Listers, > I would think that our early ancestors faced a life more periolous than > now. But have to think that the worse is the logging, lumber industry, > even with todays techonology's. Equipment failure is the biggest > culpurt, here we hear of few each year...sad loss, as many have young > families ....Where I now live, we are into our 4th & 5th generations of > logging families..farming has its share of failures also...but most > really are preventable..one of the Cardnal rules is never wear a long > sleeved shirt around equipment, one that is unbuttoned, or long > hair...it will wrap around a spinning object faster than you can > imagaine. But the biggest killer are Auto's and their speeding > drivers....heard the other day, that some 100 people a day, loose their > lives directly related to speed. > > ~Linda~ > I'm so busy....i really don't know if I found a rope...or lost my horse > ? > > >

If the horse comes back, you'll have your answer!!! -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Mock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:01 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] CAN-USA-MIGRATION Digest,/ early lumber Hi Listers, In my younger days, I used to prowl the lands west of the Miss. River. I love digging in old Ghost towns for their rich history. In Nevada City and Virginia City, Montana, are the orginal (everything's) and buildings...the Historical Societies of four states got together and "rescued" the odd building(s) our ancestors built back when they came "West", they even rescued a small 10 building town, even the "cat" house and pharmacy. They gather furniture, dishes, clohing and related items to life of the era. They even have a hotel (3-storied") that at the end of their respective hallways , had an 2-hole shaft..(guess what this was?) even had a few Sears Cats. for quick use. The Pharmacy was stocked with jars of chinese medicines of the time. These communities had fire depts even....but i digress here....In order to make these "Towns", they were often disassembled and moved to a new gold strike or rail head as needed....when the smelters were running to process the Gold and Silver of the times, they cut trees for about 5 miles around the established towns, striped the ground bare of anything burnable....to provide the "COKE" needed for the smelters. In the West, American Indians and Mexicans were used for their labor. The early fur trappers provided the meat for the tables and very early "truck gardens" provided some foods, pioneers often bartered their food stuffs from the local tribes...When the Germans settled in Idaho and that area, they started the Pototo's we know today...then the great cattle drives found their way to Gold towns. Rails brought fresh produce from the East by the 1850's....If you want a great vacation that teaches try the trip to Montana, & or Fort Smith of British Columbia for some great history finds....and old time entertainment....amazing finds about our history. Woods is America's great renewable resource, plant a tree for history. Meals in this house arrive in a box...and are zapped in a microwave, which is my idea of made from scratch!. Have a great day. ~Linda~ I'm so busy....i really don't know if I found a rope...or lost my horse ? When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I would think that our early ancestors faced a life more periolous than now. But have to think that the worse is the logging, lumber industry, even with todays techonology's. Equipment failure is the biggest culpurt, here we hear of few each year...sad loss, as many have young families ....Where I now live, we are into our 4th & 5th generations of logging families..farming has its share of failures also...but most really are preventable..one of the Cardnal rules is never wear a long sleeved shirt around equipment, one that is unbuttoned, or long hair...it will wrap around a spinning object faster than you can imagaine. But the biggest killer are Auto's and their speeding drivers....heard the other day, that some 100 people a day, loose their lives directly related to speed. ~Linda~ I'm so busy....i really don't know if I found a rope...or lost my horse ?

Yes, I know farming is very dangerous, too. Especially with the farm equipment they have nowadays. My son-in-law's uncle was killed last year when his tractor ran over him and caught him underneath in all the gears and tillers. It was a new tractor, larger than the one he had before. He got off the tractor to open the gate wider, and his mother who was on the tractor, somehow put the machine into a moving gear, and caught him underneath it. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:10 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build These occupations are still dangerous as are many factory jobs. Farming is also a dangerous occupations and every year a few farmers are injured or killed whilst working the land. Lauraine > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > Date: 2009/09/30 Wed PM 11:59:20 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > Those occupations were VERY dangerous.... as were a lot of the factory jobs > in the early years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:40 PM > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > Some families made their fortunes in the lumber trade both in Canada and the > U.S. England was hungry for lumber so often the ships brought new > immigrants - often the very poor England wanted off the Parish poor rolls - > and returned to England with lumber. > > My Dad used to tell about cutting wood with his brothers. They would cut in > a wood lot and haul the wood to someone who needed it for heating, etc. > Horse and sleigh were used and this was one way to make a bit of money. > > Had two uncles who ran a sawmill in the Gault, Ontario area. This area is > now called Cambridge, Ont. Think my late uncle told me that they cut the > timbers that were used to help build the Toronto subway. No idea if that > was a true story or not. Know they had a sawmill as one of my uncles was > killed when a log rolled on him. > > Lauraine > > > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > > Date: 2009/09/27 Sun AM 05:33:33 CDT > > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > > > Hello, > > > > I thought I would start a conversation on - lumber ! I read earlier > this > > month about people either carrying wood / lumber a long distance in order > to > > start building a house or building. Or, if a train was available, > lumber > > was brought to them that way. And, of course, if very early settlers > had > > a "horse & wagon," they could use them. > > > > And, if you read on the early history of New England, and probably the > > Maritime Provinces, important trees were found here. And people in > > England wanted some of that wood ! So, businesses were started ! > > > > If you watch "Antiques Roadshow," you often hear the furniture experts > > mentioning the special wood that a piece of furniture was made of. If > my > > memory is working correctly, "White Pine" is one that is mostly found in > > New England. Are there special trees which are found in Canada and not > > > so much found in the US? > > > > Of course, the very early houses / cabins / shacks in the 1600's on the > East > > Coast and 1700's after people starting heading west of there -- had to > > become lumbermen ! If they wanted a house to live in, they needed to > cut > > down / chop down a few trees. Think of all the tools these settlers > > would have needed in order to get the wood into a shape which was needed > to > > build a cabin. > > > > How many of you have ever cut down a tree? Or skinned the bark off of a > > > tree? I have. In the 1950's, my father was fortunate enough to > find > > a piece of land in MA but on the NH border which was available for sale at > a > > reasonable price. It was all woods. In order to have a clearing to > > put tents on, or build a small shack, my siblings and I had to help cut > > down a few trees. We learned about "2-man saws." And then he had > one > > sister and I build a very small A-frame house. With his help, we did > it. > > Once built we could set up the cots and sleeping bags inside it. > > > > And, he found that land because it was a couple miles from a "State Park" > > which we visited all during the 1950's and 1960's. "Willard Brook State > > > Forest" had 4, authentic Log Cabins in it, and people could rent them for > a > > week or 2 - at a very reasonable price. As children, we loved those > > cabins. In the 1950's there were "no" utilities. So, we were > > "roughing it." > > > > And, how many of you had an ancestor who had a sawmill or worked at one? > > My Calvin KIDDER from southern NH went to New Brunswick ~1784. He was > 18 > > or 19, and we don't know how he spent the next 15 years. But, when we > > first find him, he was a part-owner of the "Harmony Sawmill" on the shore > of > > the (then) Schoodic River. I was told that, when you were a > part-owner, > > that meant you owned which part of the day you were allowed to use the > > sawmill. For instance, maybe he was able to use it from 2 am to 4 am. > > He sold it around the time he got married to Mercy GREENLAW in the summer > of > > 1798. > > > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > > List Administrator > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find > it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT > from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a > SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! 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Hi Listers, In my younger days, I used to prowl the lands west of the Miss. River. I love digging in old Ghost towns for their rich history. In Nevada City and Virginia City, Montana, are the orginal (everything's) and buildings...the Historical Societies of four states got together and "rescued" the odd building(s) our ancestors built back when they came "West", they even rescued a small 10 building town, even the "cat" house and pharmacy. They gather furniture, dishes, clohing and related items to life of the era. They even have a hotel (3-storied") that at the end of their respective hallways , had an 2-hole shaft..(guess what this was?) even had a few Sears Cats. for quick use. The Pharmacy was stocked with jars of chinese medicines of the time. These communities had fire depts even....but i digress here....In order to make these "Towns", they were often disassembled and moved to a new gold strike or rail head as needed....when the smelters were running to process the Gold and Silver of the times, they cut trees for about 5 miles around the established towns, striped the ground bare of anything burnable....to provide the "COKE" needed for the smelters. In the West, American Indians and Mexicans were used for their labor. The early fur trappers provided the meat for the tables and very early "truck gardens" provided some foods, pioneers often bartered their food stuffs from the local tribes...When the Germans settled in Idaho and that area, they started the Pototo's we know today...then the great cattle drives found their way to Gold towns. Rails brought fresh produce from the East by the 1850's....If you want a great vacation that teaches try the trip to Montana, & or Fort Smith of British Columbia for some great history finds....and old time entertainment....amazing finds about our history. Woods is America's great renewable resource, plant a tree for history. Meals in this house arrive in a box...and are zapped in a microwave, which is my idea of made from scratch!. Have a great day. ~Linda~ I'm so busy....i really don't know if I found a rope...or lost my horse ?

Although this article has to do with Scotland, think it is pertinent to anyone doing genealogy. No wonder we can't find some people in the census records. Yesterday was looking at the 1916 records and saw my Uncle Doug shown as Murray SMITH - yes his first name was Murray, but he was always called by his second name. This was a very common practice with Scots and Palatines. Was just looking for a burial and knew the child was called Brown. Came up empty to stuck in his paternal grandfather's first name of David and got a hit. Date of death was spot on. http://sonasmor.net/AGM13.html Lauraine

Not sure how many on here follow http://askolivetree.blogspot.com/ Lorine gives a lot of tips on research methods on this site and yesterday mentioned the following site. Quite an interesting site. http://blacksheepancestors.com/ Lauraine

These occupations are still dangerous as are many factory jobs. Farming is also a dangerous occupations and every year a few farmers are injured or killed whilst working the land. Lauraine > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > Date: 2009/09/30 Wed PM 11:59:20 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > Those occupations were VERY dangerous.... as were a lot of the factory jobs > in the early years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:40 PM > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > Some families made their fortunes in the lumber trade both in Canada and the > U.S. England was hungry for lumber so often the ships brought new > immigrants - often the very poor England wanted off the Parish poor rolls - > and returned to England with lumber. > > My Dad used to tell about cutting wood with his brothers. They would cut in > a wood lot and haul the wood to someone who needed it for heating, etc. > Horse and sleigh were used and this was one way to make a bit of money. > > Had two uncles who ran a sawmill in the Gault, Ontario area. This area is > now called Cambridge, Ont. Think my late uncle told me that they cut the > timbers that were used to help build the Toronto subway. No idea if that > was a true story or not. Know they had a sawmill as one of my uncles was > killed when a log rolled on him. > > Lauraine > > > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > > Date: 2009/09/27 Sun AM 05:33:33 CDT > > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > > > Hello, > > > > I thought I would start a conversation on - lumber ! I read earlier > this > > month about people either carrying wood / lumber a long distance in order > to > > start building a house or building. Or, if a train was available, > lumber > > was brought to them that way. And, of course, if very early settlers > had > > a "horse & wagon," they could use them. > > > > And, if you read on the early history of New England, and probably the > > Maritime Provinces, important trees were found here. And people in > > England wanted some of that wood ! So, businesses were started ! > > > > If you watch "Antiques Roadshow," you often hear the furniture experts > > mentioning the special wood that a piece of furniture was made of. If > my > > memory is working correctly, "White Pine" is one that is mostly found in > > New England. Are there special trees which are found in Canada and not > > > so much found in the US? > > > > Of course, the very early houses / cabins / shacks in the 1600's on the > East > > Coast and 1700's after people starting heading west of there -- had to > > become lumbermen ! If they wanted a house to live in, they needed to > cut > > down / chop down a few trees. Think of all the tools these settlers > > would have needed in order to get the wood into a shape which was needed > to > > build a cabin. > > > > How many of you have ever cut down a tree? Or skinned the bark off of a > > > tree? I have. In the 1950's, my father was fortunate enough to > find > > a piece of land in MA but on the NH border which was available for sale at > a > > reasonable price. It was all woods. In order to have a clearing to > > put tents on, or build a small shack, my siblings and I had to help cut > > down a few trees. We learned about "2-man saws." And then he had > one > > sister and I build a very small A-frame house. With his help, we did > it. > > Once built we could set up the cots and sleeping bags inside it. > > > > And, he found that land because it was a couple miles from a "State Park" > > which we visited all during the 1950's and 1960's. "Willard Brook State > > > Forest" had 4, authentic Log Cabins in it, and people could rent them for > a > > week or 2 - at a very reasonable price. As children, we loved those > > cabins. In the 1950's there were "no" utilities. So, we were > > "roughing it." > > > > And, how many of you had an ancestor who had a sawmill or worked at one? > > My Calvin KIDDER from southern NH went to New Brunswick ~1784. He was > 18 > > or 19, and we don't know how he spent the next 15 years. But, when we > > first find him, he was a part-owner of the "Harmony Sawmill" on the shore > of > > the (then) Schoodic River. I was told that, when you were a > part-owner, > > that meant you owned which part of the day you were allowed to use the > > sawmill. For instance, maybe he was able to use it from 2 am to 4 am. > > He sold it around the time he got married to Mercy GREENLAW in the summer > of > > 1798. > > > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > > List Administrator > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find > it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT > from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a > SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! 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Have a couple of Carie ancestors who lived in Angus (Forfar) Scotland. Alexander Carie b. abt. 1696 m. to Isobel Mudie Meatie(Matilda) Carie b. 1726 in Forfar m. Griffith Nicol in 1763 St. Vigeans. Lauraine

Hello, On my N.E. Societies List someone asked whether there was a "family association" for the CARY surname. (I reminded the researcher that the library in Lexington, MA, is the "Cary Public Library.") * While looking on-line, I was reminded of 2 reference books which I had seen at a local library ~5 years ago. I couldn't remember the exact names, but I checked the on-line catalog of the Chelmsford Library, and was reminded of: "Dictionary of American Family Names" "Encyclopedia of American Family Names" I think it was this 2nd one, which included the names of "surname associations" going along with the names. I haven't looked for the books since then, so I don't know if they have been updated. They were large books. But, I just checked an on-line, used-book finding site, and they can be purchased for a reasonable price (used-library copies). Just a reminder that I attended a meeting of the "Edmund RICE Association" ~2 weeks ago, and it is an active group which has "annual meetings." Are there other "surname" associations which are active and have annual meetings? I sure wish there were more "surname associations." Meeting with other people descended from the same patriarch might help with research. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your surnames and place-names. And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames and place-names.

It is from people like this that the term "Worked like horses" came from....... (no pun intended, altho it is there, isn't it?) Our ancestors worked a lot harder than anybody today does,,,,,, and they accomplished a lot more, too, which laid the groundwork for our lives as we enjoy them today. mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:38 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build Oxen were the draught animals of choice for many of the earliest families because horses still weren't available in large supply. One of my gr grandfathers and his sons walked through the wilderness to a place where there was a known horse auction. They purchased a team of horses which they then built a raft and rafted themselves with the horses down the Thames River to their homestead in what is now Wardsville in Ontario, Canada. They had the first team of work horses in the area. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm sorry I can't help you with the popular spots to do things in 1865. I wasn't around then!!! Sorry, I couldn't resist that! It's also been a "few years" since I went to Mackinac Island with my senior class, too! -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:50 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages Hi: My cousin's daughter was married on Mackinac Island, 14 July, 2009 and honeymooned in the Hotel. They live in Ontario and not sure how they chose that spot for their wedding and honeymoon. Sounds very romantic and am anxious to get photos to add to the Family Tree. Know this Island is no where close to Kingston, Ont. but still have to wonder if my illusive Elizabeth C. HERD and her groom John Kerr Weir did not go somewhere in the One Thousand Islands off Kingston to be married. Still looking for proof of their marriage. If anyone can think of a popular wedding spot circa 1865, please advise. Lauraine > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > Date: 2009/09/27 Sun AM 12:40:28 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Illinois Obits & Mackinac Co. marriages > > FYI, Mackinac Island is a beautiful place! A lot of high school classes > in our area go there for their Senior trips. The island is rich with > history, has a lot of monuments and placques, old cannons, etc. and trails > you can follow. There are no motorized vehicles on the island, only > horse-drawn carriages.......and you can go for rides on them.......all > around the island, to view the various things there. > > They also have the Grand Hotel which sets atop a hill, overlooking the Great > Lakes and a lot of the island. Lots of people go there for their > honeymoons, or just to get away to a quiet place where there are no cars and > trucks, or other speedy ways of life. > > mas When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those occupations were VERY dangerous.... as were a lot of the factory jobs in the early years. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of syrnick@mts.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:40 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build Some families made their fortunes in the lumber trade both in Canada and the U.S. England was hungry for lumber so often the ships brought new immigrants - often the very poor England wanted off the Parish poor rolls - and returned to England with lumber. My Dad used to tell about cutting wood with his brothers. They would cut in a wood lot and haul the wood to someone who needed it for heating, etc. Horse and sleigh were used and this was one way to make a bit of money. Had two uncles who ran a sawmill in the Gault, Ontario area. This area is now called Cambridge, Ont. Think my late uncle told me that they cut the timbers that were used to help build the Toronto subway. No idea if that was a true story or not. Know they had a sawmill as one of my uncles was killed when a log rolled on him. Lauraine > > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > Date: 2009/09/27 Sun AM 05:33:33 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] "Lumber" Exporting it to Where you Want to Build > > Hello, > > I thought I would start a conversation on - lumber ! I read earlier this > month about people either carrying wood / lumber a long distance in order to > start building a house or building. Or, if a train was available, lumber > was brought to them that way. And, of course, if very early settlers had > a "horse & wagon," they could use them. > > And, if you read on the early history of New England, and probably the > Maritime Provinces, important trees were found here. And people in > England wanted some of that wood ! So, businesses were started ! > > If you watch "Antiques Roadshow," you often hear the furniture experts > mentioning the special wood that a piece of furniture was made of. If my > memory is working correctly, "White Pine" is one that is mostly found in > New England. Are there special trees which are found in Canada and not > so much found in the US? > > Of course, the very early houses / cabins / shacks in the 1600's on the East > Coast and 1700's after people starting heading west of there -- had to > become lumbermen ! If they wanted a house to live in, they needed to cut > down / chop down a few trees. Think of all the tools these settlers > would have needed in order to get the wood into a shape which was needed to > build a cabin. > > How many of you have ever cut down a tree? Or skinned the bark off of a > tree? I have. In the 1950's, my father was fortunate enough to find > a piece of land in MA but on the NH border which was available for sale at a > reasonable price. It was all woods. In order to have a clearing to > put tents on, or build a small shack, my siblings and I had to help cut > down a few trees. We learned about "2-man saws." And then he had one > sister and I build a very small A-frame house. With his help, we did it. > Once built we could set up the cots and sleeping bags inside it. > > And, he found that land because it was a couple miles from a "State Park" > which we visited all during the 1950's and 1960's. "Willard Brook State > Forest" had 4, authentic Log Cabins in it, and people could rent them for a > week or 2 - at a very reasonable price. As children, we loved those > cabins. In the 1950's there were "no" utilities. So, we were > "roughing it." > > And, how many of you had an ancestor who had a sawmill or worked at one? > My Calvin KIDDER from southern NH went to New Brunswick ~1784. He was 18 > or 19, and we don't know how he spent the next 15 years. But, when we > first find him, he was a part-owner of the "Harmony Sawmill" on the shore of > the (then) Schoodic River. I was told that, when you were a part-owner, > that meant you owned which part of the day you were allowed to use the > sawmill. For instance, maybe he was able to use it from 2 am to 4 am. > He sold it around the time he got married to Mercy GREENLAW in the summer of > 1798. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Little Black Devils were mentioned on the Manitoba List and googling came across this site with Canadian Regimental Nicknames. Passing along for any Military buffs on the list. L http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regimental_nicknames_of_the_Canadian_Forces#Regimental_nicknames