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    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] RED DEER District within now Province of Alberta
    2. PBoudreault-Gilbert
    3. http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=4066

    09/01/2008 08:34:35
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. Hi Peggy: Is it possible this John could be a son of Albert? Hope you got page two of the attestation papers? Maybe his sister was married to a man called Graham? Truly do not know much about border crossings. Do know my G. Grandfather came to Canada from Maine sometime in the early 1900's (before 1908) but have never looked for the crossing information. He may have had a cousin in the area which prompted his travels. Perhaps your Albert had contacts in Alberta? Wonder if Red Deer published a local history book. Might be something to look into as often they have pioneer family histories. Alberta did not become a Province until 1905 so excepting for Forts and fur trade, was not settled that early. Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908 > Well, Lauraine, > That attestation paper is extremely interesting. More Duperriers in > Auburn, > also that he went to Calgary and that he emigrated in 1908, same as > Adelbert. I did not know of other DuPerriers in Auburn. I did not get > information on their crossing exactly but I went on fultonhistory.com, and > found numerous articles about Maude and Albert, usually referred to as > Mrs. > A. Duperrier and A. Duperrier, respectively. Adelbert Perrier who changed > his name to Albert DuPerrier belonged to the Improved Order of Red Men > (whatever that is) and Maud(e) belonged to the council of Owasco, Degree > of > Pocahontas. On april 30, 1908 a farewell party was held for them, saying > they were departing for BC. They were still there on may 12, 1908 as I > have > a photo of Albert and an Indian chief in Auburn (now I know why - I guess > something to do with his fraternity). In July 1908, he was established in > Red Deer, Alberta as proprietor of the South End Barbershop, as per > newspaper advertisement of July 22, 1908. So had to cross somewhere > between > May 12, and July 22, 1908. So did John DuPerrier I would say as he had > been > in Canada 8 years by 1916. Interesting that John's unmarried sister has a > different last name - Graham. New questions. do you have to know the > crossing place to find the crossing? > thanks for the attestation papers. As I said, interesting. > Peggy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908 > > >> >> Hi Peggy: >> >> Alberta's border is quite some distance from NY as it shares a border >> with >> Montana. Auburn, NY is known as part of the Underground Railway, but is >> not >> on the border with Canada. There is an Auburn crossing, but not just >> sure >> which state it is in, but know there is an Auburn, Maine. Where did >> you >> get your information on their crossing? >> >> I did find a John Duperrier with Attestation papers for WW 1 at: >> http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/305035a.gif&id_nbr=372147 >> His address is shown as Calgary, Alberta and he states he was born in >> Auburn, NY. >> >> Someone on the list should be able to steer you to information on the >> border >> crossings. >> >> Lauraine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:32 PM >> Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908 >> >> >>> Hi there, >>> Does anyone have access to border crossings from Auburn, NY to Alberta, >>> Canada in 1908? My ancestor A. Duperrier or Albert DuPerrier and his >>> wife >>> Maud (e) crossed between May 12, 1908 and July 1908. >>> thanks for any help >>> Peggy G. >> >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I >> find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the >> SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there >> is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >> >> To search the archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >> The information page is: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/01/2008 08:19:06
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier - Improved Order of Red Men
    2. Peggy Gordon
    3. That was very interesting, Vern. Thank you for sending. The articles that I read talked about teepees, sleeps, wampum, braves, sachems, sagamores, etc. Peggy G.

    09/01/2008 02:50:02
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] surnames around the world
    2. Olive Tree Genealogy
    3. On 31 Aug 2008 at 20:06, Lita Bower wrote: > I think this is it. It was in the article but not as an > active link. There is a link and announcement of this new website at http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

    09/01/2008 01:26:59
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier - Improved Order of Red Men
    2. VRD
    3. Thought this was interesting! Maybe others have ancestors who also belonged to these organizations. Info came from: http://www.redmen.org/ in case anyone wants to follow-up further. "Who Are The Red Men? The fraternity traces its origins back to 1765 and is descended from the Sons of Liberty. These patriots concealed their identities and worked "underground" to help establish freedom and liberty in the early Colonies. They patterned themselves after the great Iroquois Confederacy and its democratic governing body. Their system, with elected representatives to govern tribal councils, had been in existence for several centuries. After the War of 1812 the name was changed to the Society of Red Men and in 1834 to the Improved Order of Red Men. They kept the customs and terminology of Native Americans as a basic part of the fraternity. Some of the words and terms may sound strange, but they soon become a familiar part of the language for every member. The Improved Order of Red Men (IORM) is similar in many ways to other major fraternal organizations in the United States. The Improved Order of Red Men is a national fraternal organization that believes in… Love of and respect for the American Flag. Preserving our Nation by defending and upholding the principle of free Government. America and the democratic way of life. Preserving the traditions and history of this great Country. Creating and inspiring a greater love for the United States of America. Helping our fellow men through organized charitable programs. Linking our members together in a common bond of Brotherhood and Friendship. Perpetuating the beautiful legends and traditions of a once-vanishing race and the keeping alive some of the traditional customs, ceremonies, and philosophies. Legally, The Improved Order of Red Men is a patriotic fraternity chartered by Congress. It is a non-profit organization devoted to inspiring a greater love for the United States of America and the principles of American Liberty. History of the Red Men The Improved Order of Red Men traces its origin to certain secret patriotic societies founded before the American Revolution. They were established to promote Liberty and to defy the tyranny of the English Crown. Among the early groups were: The Sons of Liberty, the Sons of St. Tammany, and later the Society of Red Men. On December 16, 1773 a group of men, all members of the Sons of Liberty, met in Boston to protest the tax on tea imposed by England. When their protest went unheeded, they disguised themselves as Mohawk Indians, proceeded to Boston harbor, and dumped overboard 342 chests of English tea. During the Revolutionary War, members of secret societies quenched their council fires and took up muskets to join with the Continental Army. To the cause of Freedom and Liberty they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors. At the end of the hard fought war the American Republic was born and was soon acknowledged among the nations of the world. Following the American Revolution many of the various secret societies founded before and during the conflict continued in existence as brotherhoods or fraternities. For the next 35 years, however, each of the original Sons of Liberty and Sons of St. Tamina groups went their own way, under many different names. In 1813, at historic Fort Mifflin, near Philadelphia, several of these groups came together and formed one organization known as the Society of Red Men. The name was changed to the Improved Order of Red Men in Baltimore in 1834. At Baltimore, Maryland, in 1847, the various local tribes came together and formed a national organization called the Grand Council of the United States. With the formation of a national organization, the Improved Order of Red Men soon spread, and within 30 years there were State Great Councils in 21 states with a membership of over 150,000. The Order continued to grow and by the mid-1920s there were tribes in 46 states and territories with a membership totaling over one-half million. Today, The Improved Order of Red Men continues to offer all patriotic Americans an organization that is pledged to the high ideals of Freedom, Friendship, and Charity. These are the same ideals on which the American nation was founded. By belonging to this proud and historic organization you can demonstrate your desire to continue the battle started at Lexington and Concord to promote Freedom and protect the American Way of Life. Degree Of Pocahontas History The Degree of Pocahontas is the women's affiliate of The Improved Order of Red Men. It was organized in 1885 and soon councils had sprung up across the United States. The organization takes its name from the famous Pocahontas, daughter of the powerful Native American Chief Powhatan of the Algonquian Indian Tribe. She befriended the early English settlers at Jamestown, allowing herself to be held hostage after her father threatened to destroy the entire settlement. Because of her friendship with the English, Powhatan ordered his tribe to provide food and clothing during the terrible winter of 1614. This help ultimately allowed the English colony to grow and flourish and is today considered the first permanent English settlement in North America. The Degree of Pocahontas, as a separate organization, engages in fraternal and social affairs and provides an excellent program for women seeking an ideal fraternal association." Vern

    09/01/2008 12:36:54
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] John DuPerrier/Albert Duperrier Crossing 1908
    2. Peggy Gordon
    3. Hello, As a followup to my email about Albert and Maude Duperrier crossing from Auburn, NY to Red Deer, Alberta, Canada in 1908 and the subsequent discovery of John DuPerrier. John also crossed in 1908. I have since discovered that John DuPerrier was really John Bench, a relative of Maude DuPerrier, nee Bench. She raised him while in Canada. I have found him as John Bench on the 1911 census for Red Deer, Alberta although he was not with Maude at that time. She was indexed as Maude DuParser(?) and was not with Albert in 1911 and he cannot be found on that census. I am not sure of the parentage of John Bench who was born July 14, 1897 in Auburn, NY. Maude only had one brother Frank Bench. I am not sure if John used the Bench name or DuPerrier name when he crossed, but it seems that he would have crossed with Albert and Maud(e). Does anyone have access to Ancestry and can look for the crossing between May 12 and July 22, 1908 of these 3 people. thank you Peggy G.

    08/31/2008 11:45:38
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] surnames around the world
    2. Faye
    3. That does seem to be the website... It does seem to be having some problems.. I searched 3-4 names but each that came back did so with the same map and the status bar indicated errors on the page... others just indicated an error.. It may be getting more traffic than anticipated! faye ---- Lita Bower <[email protected]> wrote: > I think this is it. It was in the article but not as an active link. > www.publicprofiler.org/worldnames > > Lita > > People of integrity expect to be believed and when they're not, they let > time prove them right. > > Come see me at > http://www.picturetrail.com/grammapux > http://community.webshots.com/user/grammapux > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> > > > Spotted these about this newly launched site. Apparently someone is > > mapping out the surnames around the world. So far have been unable to get > > the actual website. Lauraine > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7588968.stm and googling came up with: > > > > http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icSy7HTJhumhGfaD0xAOHkSUpBfQ > > > > http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icSy7HTJhumhGfaD0xAOHkSUpBfQ > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/31/2008 03:59:17
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] surnames around the world
    2. Lita Bower
    3. I think this is it. It was in the article but not as an active link. www.publicprofiler.org/worldnames Lita People of integrity expect to be believed and when they're not, they let time prove them right. Come see me at http://www.picturetrail.com/grammapux http://community.webshots.com/user/grammapux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> > Spotted these about this newly launched site. Apparently someone is > mapping out the surnames around the world. So far have been unable to get > the actual website. Lauraine > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7588968.stm and googling came up with: > > http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icSy7HTJhumhGfaD0xAOHkSUpBfQ > > http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icSy7HTJhumhGfaD0xAOHkSUpBfQ

    08/31/2008 02:06:30
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. Hi Peggy: Alberta's border is quite some distance from NY as it shares a border with Montana. Auburn, NY is known as part of the Underground Railway, but is not on the border with Canada. There is an Auburn crossing, but not just sure which state it is in, but know there is an Auburn, Maine. Where did you get your information on their crossing? I did find a John Duperrier with Attestation papers for WW 1 at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/305035a.gif&id_nbr=372147 His address is shown as Calgary, Alberta and he states he was born in Auburn, NY. Someone on the list should be able to steer you to information on the border crossings. Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908 > Hi there, > Does anyone have access to border crossings from Auburn, NY to Alberta, > Canada in 1908? My ancestor A. Duperrier or Albert DuPerrier and his > wife > Maud (e) crossed between May 12, 1908 and July 1908. > thanks for any help > Peggy G.

    08/31/2008 01:51:10
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] news from GeneaNet
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. Not sure if this is relevant to Canada/USA migration, but certainly interesting to anyone interested in genealogy. Lauraine Spotted today on GeneaNet: "Dead Sea Scrolls to be digitized" (see: http://genealogyblog.geneanet.org/index.php/post/2008/08/Dead-Sea-Scrolls-to-be-displayed-on-Internet.html "Slave Labor Documents in Nazi archive Digitized" see: http://genealogyblog.geneanet.org/index.php/post/2008/08/Slave-labor-documents-in-Nazi-archive-digitized.html

    08/31/2008 01:28:51
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908
    2. Peggy Gordon
    3. Well, Lauraine, That attestation paper is extremely interesting. More Duperriers in Auburn, also that he went to Calgary and that he emigrated in 1908, same as Adelbert. I did not know of other DuPerriers in Auburn. I did not get information on their crossing exactly but I went on fultonhistory.com, and found numerous articles about Maude and Albert, usually referred to as Mrs. A. Duperrier and A. Duperrier, respectively. Adelbert Perrier who changed his name to Albert DuPerrier belonged to the Improved Order of Red Men (whatever that is) and Maud(e) belonged to the council of Owasco, Degree of Pocahontas. On april 30, 1908 a farewell party was held for them, saying they were departing for BC. They were still there on may 12, 1908 as I have a photo of Albert and an Indian chief in Auburn (now I know why - I guess something to do with his fraternity). In July 1908, he was established in Red Deer, Alberta as proprietor of the South End Barbershop, as per newspaper advertisement of July 22, 1908. So had to cross somewhere between May 12, and July 22, 1908. So did John DuPerrier I would say as he had been in Canada 8 years by 1916. Interesting that John's unmarried sister has a different last name - Graham. New questions. do you have to know the crossing place to find the crossing? thanks for the attestation papers. As I said, interesting. Peggy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908 > > Hi Peggy: > > Alberta's border is quite some distance from NY as it shares a border with > Montana. Auburn, NY is known as part of the Underground Railway, but is > not > on the border with Canada. There is an Auburn crossing, but not just sure > which state it is in, but know there is an Auburn, Maine. Where did you > get your information on their crossing? > > I did find a John Duperrier with Attestation papers for WW 1 at: > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/305035a.gif&id_nbr=372147 > His address is shown as Calgary, Alberta and he states he was born in > Auburn, NY. > > Someone on the list should be able to steer you to information on the > border > crossings. > > Lauraine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:32 PM > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908 > > >> Hi there, >> Does anyone have access to border crossings from Auburn, NY to Alberta, >> Canada in 1908? My ancestor A. Duperrier or Albert DuPerrier and his >> wife >> Maud (e) crossed between May 12, 1908 and July 1908. >> thanks for any help >> Peggy G. > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    08/31/2008 12:26:24
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] Albert DuPerrier 1908
    2. Peggy Gordon
    3. Hi there, Does anyone have access to border crossings from Auburn, NY to Alberta, Canada in 1908? My ancestor A. Duperrier or Albert DuPerrier and his wife Maud (e) crossed between May 12, 1908 and July 1908. thanks for any help Peggy G.

    08/31/2008 11:32:55
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] surnames around the world
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. Spotted these about this newly launched site. Apparently someone is mapping out the surnames around the world. So far have been unable to get the actual website. Lauraine http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7588968.stm and googling came up with: http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icSy7HTJhumhGfaD0xAOHkSUpBfQ http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icSy7HTJhumhGfaD0xAOHkSUpBfQ

    08/31/2008 08:18:06
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] Irish Census -
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. Not sure when this project will be done and if there will be fee based. No doubt there will be information forthcoming. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Lauraine

    08/29/2008 09:51:12
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] KIDDER, FOWLER (VT, MA, N.B.)
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, It has been mentioned on the VT List that the Vermont Historical Society has posted many "old photos," especially of Civil War soldiers from VT. I just checked the web site and found a picture of Dr. Charles KIDDER, a Civil War Surgeon. I just checked the "KIDDER book" (my CD), and found the information on him. His daughter-in-law was born in New Brunswick, so I thought I would post it here: 925 CHARLES EDWARD KIDDER (Charles Wheeler Burr, Gideon, Oliver, Ephraim, James, James, James), born at Troy, N. Y., 23 June 1855. He married at Boston, Mass., 29 June 1901, MARTHA SUSANNA FOWLER of that city, born at Upham, N. B., Canada, 24 June 1859, daughter of Henry Gilbert and Catherine Elizabeth (Fowler) Fowler. No children. He was of Vergennes, Vt. until 1890, when he moved to Boston, where he conducted a dry goods business. He resided at Malden, Mass. Just an FYI for you. I'll post Dr. KIDDER's information below. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator 488 DR. CHARLES WHEELER BURR KIDDER (Gideon, Oliver, Ephraim, James, James, James), born at Weathersfield, Vt., 13 Nov. 1818, died at Pittsfield, Vt., 26 Sept. 1893. He married at Jericho, Chittenden Co., Vt., 18 Aug. 1850, MARY ANNA HOWE of that place, born there, 17 May 1830, died at Vergennes, Addison Co., Vt., 14 May 1889, daughter of Dr. George and Mary (Potter) Howe. Dr. Charles Wheeler Burr Kidder graduated from the Medical College at Castleton, Vt., following which he lectured at medical colleges throughout New England and the middle West as far as Chicago. About 1857 he settled at Vergennes, Vt., and later practiced at Peru and Troy, N. Y. He was commissioned Surgeon of the 11th Vermont Volunteers 18 Aug. 1862, but was obliged to resign from the army in Sept. 1863 because of illness. Child: 925 i. CHARLES EDWARD, b. at Troy, 23 June 1855.

    08/29/2008 01:13:34
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] Rhode Island Necrology Records 1875
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. Found this somewhat interesting. Knew the word "necrology" had to do with death, but had not heard it used to name yearly death stats. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nygglshp/Local_Necrology-LI_Farmer.html Lauraine

    08/28/2008 09:06:34
    1. Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] How Many Ancestors "Escaped Death" in order for You to be B...
    2. Think about all of those who managed to escape things such as the Black Death, too... without those folks, none of us would be here probably. Or those who died after having given birth to some children, i.e. women murdered for witchcraft, like two of my 13th grandmothers were in New Haven, CT. Or those killed for their religious convictions.Good thing they were killed after they had children, or I wouldn't be here now...or if I was, it would be with different ancestors. Something to think about. Cheryl Missouri **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

    08/27/2008 09:23:49
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] Epidemics
    2. Lauraine Syrnick
    3. With Betty mentioning flu epidemics, one of the worst recorded was at the end of WW 1 which seemed to run through most of the world. My G. Grandmother died after a week's illness from this flu as did a few others in the family. Cause of death for an ancestor often puts the event into an historical event. Today, a story on this epidemic was on Massmoments at: http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=249 Lauraine

    08/27/2008 05:17:08
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] How Many Ancestors "Escaped Death" in order for You to be Born?
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, This subject was just mentioned on one of the Quebec Lists, and I mentioned my story. It's a good subject for this List, so I'll repost what I posted there - here: You are correct. It is an amazing thing to think about - how many ancestors had to "escape death" in order for you to be born. KIDDER is my main research of 15 years. The patriarch was James KIDDER who arrived in the MA Bay Colony ~1640's. When he settled in the Billerica Plantation, he became a soldier in the long-time "Indian Wars" and was seriously injured and died of his injuries in 1676. Fortunately for me (and millions of other descendants), he had fathered 12 children before he died. His son, John, also had 12 children. I don't know how he died, but he also fought in the long-running "Indian Wars." And there were many "hazards" to living in the 1600's in MA. His son, Thomas, quite literally "dropped dead" while walking one day in ~1730. Fortunately, he had fathered 6 sons before he died. His son, Joseph, also fought in the long-running "Indian Wars" and had to -hide- in the top of a tree one day - in order to not be killed. He had 6 children. (His brother also "dropped dead" while walking one day.) Joseph's son, Calvin, left New Hampshire in 1784. As far as we know he didn't fight in the Revolutionary War, and he was not a "Loyalist." Someone has suggested he might have been following his girlfriend's family when they left for New Brunswick. We don't know how he spent the next 15 years. He married in the summer of 1798 and had a son in Jan. 1799. -One week later- he was killed in a boating accident. (What if he had not married and had a child before he died?) (Timing is everything.) Joseph "Calvin" KIDDER / Calvin KIDDER (1799-1891) grew up in New Brunswick and was a "woodsmen." It is said that he was almost killed in the "Great Fire" in New Brunswick. He survived to then get married ~1830 in or near Amity, Maine. He had 6 children who survived to at least teen years. One son died in his 20's - within a year of his marriage, and his wife died shortly after that. One daughter died at Age 16. My guess is that they were victims of a "Flu Epidemic." But, what if his son, Joseph, had also "caught the Flu?" (1860's) As it was, Joseph was the only son who fought in the Civil War. He fought in Florida and was seriously injured there. He survived and returned to northern Maine. But, what if he had not survived? He didn't marry until he returned to Maine. So, my gr-grandfather was born in 1870. George "Sanford" KIDDER had lost his mother when he was 15, and he "left home" to go become a "logger." I've read that he took on many dangerous assignments, so he could have been "killed on the job." He married in his mid-20's, and his wife died 6 months after the wedding. If she had "the Flu," he could have caught it. A lady from Winchester, MA, was up visiting her RICE relatives in Lubec, ME, ~1897, and she met "Sanford." They married in Maine but came back to MA to live. They had 3 children here. Their daughter, Clarissa, had a serious sledding accident as a young teen, and had a head injury. An infection took hold, and she was not treated by a doctor. She lost part of her eyesight as a result, and the ending could have been more tragic. Then as a 16-year-old she reportedly became pregnant, and she delivered 2 "still-borns" in a row in 1917 and 1918. She could have died as a result of childbirth - many women did. She did survive and had 3 children who did survive. And, finally, my father was a soldier in World War II. He did survive the fighting in "northern Africa," and came back to marry - and have - me ! And, this is just "my KIDDER line." Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) Note: On my mother's side, her mother was "a foundling" on the streets of Boston, MA, in Feb. 1899. If this "family story" is true, what if she had not been "found?" And, if the story was not true, what if the "birth mother" had decided to "abort" and not deliver her "unwanted baby?" I believe the "birth mother" was a married woman who had "an affair" or been "raped" in the summer of 1888.

    08/27/2008 02:41:24
    1. [CAN-USA-MIG] HUGE announcement re Ships Passenger lists to Canada!
    2. Olive Tree Genealogy
    3. Please see http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ for a huge and exciting announcement from LAC re Ships Passenger Lists to Canada Other recent articles and announcements include: * A Tisket, A Tasket, I Lost my Genealogy Basket! * Writing Your Own Obituary or How to Really Creep Yourself Out * Launch of 1911 England Census in 2009 * Henry Louis Gates of African American Lives speaks to The Learning First Alliance -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

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