Lauraine, Thanks for the reply. I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't seem to locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to Francis & Delia. Marilyn On Sep 20, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: > Hi Marilyn: > > There is a list for the Storman & Milles Roches area at: > http://boards.ancestry.com/ > localities.northam.canada.ontario.stormont/521.527/mb.ashx. > For the 1830's, definitely talking about Lower & Upper Canada. > Another site > to try is: http://www.mesaieux.com/an/default.htm After entering > the site, > click on surname and enter Derosiers. There are marriages, etc. > listed. > Because this area is in the North, looked in the Hudson Bay Records > and > there was one Derosiers. Long shot to be yours, but take a look at > his > employment record: > http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/index.html > Good luck > and surely someone on this list knows the name of the book with the > Quebec > records (memory is drawing a blank). > > Lauraine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > > >> I have been researching this family for about 15 years and have >> managed to find out a great deal about them once they came into >> the US. >> >> But now I am at pre-1840 and seem to have come to the end of what I >> can find out about them. During the 1830s were the years when they >> had most of their children and I am attempting to find their place of >> Baptism (Catholic). >> >> Since they were living in Brasher in 1840, but had ties in Mille >> Roches, and at least one of their children was born there I think >> that would be a good place to start. I am wondering how to proceed. >> >> If I want records from Catholic Parishes, how would I go about >> finding which Parish they frequented to know which LDS microfilm to >> order? Would I look for them in St. Regis, or a Catholic church in >> Mille Roches? >> >> Can anyone on this list help me? I am looking for family of Francis >> A. DeRosier, b. about 1806 or 1807. He married Delia Cassiday/ >> Cassidy/ >> Casote b/ about 1810. Francis was from the Stormont area and Delia >> was purportedly from the Cornwall area. >> >> Marilyn Craig >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >> List, I >> find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to >> include the >> SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure >> there >> is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >> > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! > Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- > MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn: Francis a rather common French name and there is an actually a present day hockey player by the name of Francis Desrosiers. Cassiday is also a fairly common Irish name but the Delia is unusual. Definitely concentrate on the Delia in your search. Yes, Ancestory.com recently added Quebec records. Like you do not have a subscription, but you might ask if SKS could look it up for you? Priests and ministers were not abundant in 1830's and it is possible they were registered in the Montreal Parish? Would suggest you post your hunt for baptisms in the Milles Roches list on the list sent and also on the Quebec List. Latter is a very busy list, but the people are very friendly and try to help. Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > Lauraine, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not > have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't seem to > locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but > until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean > Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. > > I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to Francis & > Delia. > > Marilyn

Hi Marilyn: There is a list for the Storman & Milles Roches area at: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.stormont/521.527/mb.ashx. For the 1830's, definitely talking about Lower & Upper Canada. Another site to try is: http://www.mesaieux.com/an/default.htm After entering the site, click on surname and enter Derosiers. There are marriages, etc. listed. Because this area is in the North, looked in the Hudson Bay Records and there was one Derosiers. Long shot to be yours, but take a look at his employment record: http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/index.html Good luck and surely someone on this list knows the name of the book with the Quebec records (memory is drawing a blank). Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers >I have been researching this family for about 15 years and have > managed to find out a great deal about them once they came into the US. > > But now I am at pre-1840 and seem to have come to the end of what I > can find out about them. During the 1830s were the years when they > had most of their children and I am attempting to find their place of > Baptism (Catholic). > > Since they were living in Brasher in 1840, but had ties in Mille > Roches, and at least one of their children was born there I think > that would be a good place to start. I am wondering how to proceed. > > If I want records from Catholic Parishes, how would I go about > finding which Parish they frequented to know which LDS microfilm to > order? Would I look for them in St. Regis, or a Catholic church in > Mille Roches? > > Can anyone on this list help me? I am looking for family of Francis > A. DeRosier, b. about 1806 or 1807. He married Delia Cassiday/Cassidy/ > Casote b/ about 1810. Francis was from the Stormont area and Delia > was purportedly from the Cornwall area. > > Marilyn Craig > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >

I have been researching this family for about 15 years and have managed to find out a great deal about them once they came into the US. But now I am at pre-1840 and seem to have come to the end of what I can find out about them. During the 1830s were the years when they had most of their children and I am attempting to find their place of Baptism (Catholic). Since they were living in Brasher in 1840, but had ties in Mille Roches, and at least one of their children was born there I think that would be a good place to start. I am wondering how to proceed. If I want records from Catholic Parishes, how would I go about finding which Parish they frequented to know which LDS microfilm to order? Would I look for them in St. Regis, or a Catholic church in Mille Roches? Can anyone on this list help me? I am looking for family of Francis A. DeRosier, b. about 1806 or 1807. He married Delia Cassiday/Cassidy/ Casote b/ about 1810. Francis was from the Stormont area and Delia was purportedly from the Cornwall area. Marilyn Craig

On 9/20/08, Toni Mason <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Donna, > > Thanks for replying. Yes, sometimes the birth place is not right in the > census, if that is where you got it. Do you have any idea where in Canada > he was born? If so, there are filmed census returns that you can get from > LDS. This is how I found my MULHOLLANDS in Edwardsburgh in 1842, and 1848. There are several Canadian census years online now - 1851 (index plus images), , 1871 (index to heads of house only online, full details can be ordered from LAC), 1881 transcription plus images, 1891 (index plus images), 1901 (index plus images), , 1911(index plus images), See http://allcensusrecords.com/canada/ for links to each of these census years. Some are entirely free, some are fee based indexes but all images are free Lorine -- Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

Hi Toni. >From Civil War records, George VanBUREN reports being born in Mount Pleasant, Canada in 1837. But there were several: According to Wikipedia, Mount Pleasant, Ontario can mean: Mount Pleasant, Peterborough County, Ontario Mount Pleasant, York Regional Municipality, Ontario Mount Pleasant, Perth County, Ontario Mount Pleasant, Peel Regional Municipality, Ontario Mount Pleasant, Hastings County, Ontario Mount Pleasant, Lennox and Addington County, Ontario Mount Pleasant, Brant County, Ontario [Brantford Twp.] aft 1837 Note - Brant County was not formed until 1852. This was a village in the twp of Brantford which was situated in the united counties of Wentworth and Halton. My best guess is that his father, as a laborer, may have crossed the border for employment reasons. The first census that I can confirm identity is: 1850 United States Federal Census Record Image Source: Year: 1850; Census Place: Town of Barre, Orleans, New York; Household: Page: 86 Line 37 - Wm Van BUREN, m, age 37, abt 1813, NY, Occup: Laborer Line 38 - Amanda Van BUREN, f, age 34, abt 1816, NY Line 39 - Sarah Van BUREN, f, age 14, abt 1836, NY, attended school Line 40 - George Van BUREN, m, age 12, abt 1838, NY, attended school >From there they moved from New York to Pennsylvania and then on to Michigan by the Civil War. Thanks for the heads up on the early Canadian census returns. I did not know they were taken at that time. I will give that a try. Donna

Hi Donna, Thanks for replying. Yes, sometimes the birth place is not right in the census, if that is where you got it. Do you have any idea where in Canada he was born? If so, there are filmed census returns that you can get from LDS. This is how I found my MULHOLLANDS in Edwardsburgh in 1842, and 1848. You could also check the Canada Gen Web for census returns. Toni

Enjoy working through all of this information...Hugs! :) http://albertajasper.com/Alberta-History-1784-1800.html

Donna, I have upgraded my ancestry.com to include Canadian records. If you have anything you want me to search for, let me know. I'd probably need name and date of birth, etc. I'll try, I have some free time today. myra herron Olive Tree Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: On 9/20/08, Toni Mason wrote: > Hi Donna, > > Thanks for replying. Yes, sometimes the birth place is not right in the > census, if that is where you got it. Do you have any idea where in Canada > he was born? If so, there are filmed census returns that you can get from > LDS. This is how I found my MULHOLLANDS in Edwardsburgh in 1842, and 1848. There are several Canadian census years online now - 1851 (index plus images), , 1871 (index to heads of house only online, full details can be ordered from LAC), 1881 transcription plus images, 1891 (index plus images), 1901 (index plus images), , 1911(index plus images), See http://allcensusrecords.com/canada/ for links to each of these census years. Some are entirely free, some are fee based indexes but all images are free Lorine -- Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." --George Bernard Shaw

Here's another article http://ustreas.gov/offices/domestic-finance/usps/docs/parcel_history_final1. doc faye -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Wakefield NH Carroll County Second that thanks for the map site. Think in terms of "Pony Express", Wells Fargo, etc. which delivered mail, freight goods back then. The "Express" office probably was where they delivered to but there is some history to American Express which was formed in 1850: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Express. Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "faye rees" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Wakefield NH Carroll County > Thanks for the link to the maps Cindy! > How fun.. Nice to see how things were 100+ years ago! > I am thinking an express office was a like a shipping office - to send > things via wagon?, but I am not 100% sure. > > Our great grandmother grew up in Solon Maine, her husband was born in > Tuftonboro and Sandwich New Hampshire and my grandfather was born in the > White Mountains in Berlin - I have no idea how they managed to find each > other but looking at the map the towns are kind of in a straight line.. > > Again thanks > faye > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia > Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:42 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Wakefield NH Carroll County > > Yesterday through another site i was given this site > http://www.livgenmi.com/1895/ > > It was interesting to finally see exactly where my ancestors lived in > Maine > and New Hampshire. My gr grandmother Amanda Crockett was born in > Mechanic > Falls ME and married my gr grandfather Arthur McDonald from Wakefield. I > wanted to see how close the two cities were. > > The maps are for 1895 and it also has a link you can look up the cities > with population. It says in 1895 that Wakefield had a population of 100. > > If my gr grandfather had 13 children and they stayed in the area and my > grandfather had somewhere around 10 I think, does that mean most of that > 100 > was my family? > > They had a post office, railroad and express office. I don't know what an > express office was. > > -- > Cindyp When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hummmm...could "Express Office" be "Pony Express"??

Thanks for the link to the maps Cindy! How fun.. Nice to see how things were 100+ years ago! I am thinking an express office was a like a shipping office - to send things via wagon?, but I am not 100% sure. Our great grandmother grew up in Solon Maine, her husband was born in Tuftonboro and Sandwich New Hampshire and my grandfather was born in the White Mountains in Berlin - I have no idea how they managed to find each other but looking at the map the towns are kind of in a straight line.. Again thanks faye -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Phillips Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:42 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Wakefield NH Carroll County Yesterday through another site i was given this site http://www.livgenmi.com/1895/ It was interesting to finally see exactly where my ancestors lived in Maine and New Hampshire. My gr grandmother Amanda Crockett was born in Mechanic Falls ME and married my gr grandfather Arthur McDonald from Wakefield. I wanted to see how close the two cities were. The maps are for 1895 and it also has a link you can look up the cities with population. It says in 1895 that Wakefield had a population of 100. If my gr grandfather had 13 children and they stayed in the area and my grandfather had somewhere around 10 I think, does that mean most of that 100 was my family? They had a post office, railroad and express office. I don't know what an express office was. -- Cindyp http://grammiesbears.com http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips <http://ourgv.com/cynthiaphillips> http://shaklee.net/naturalngreen When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Am forwarding this email which was in the Manitoba list today. Know that Murray Pletsch is working on this so updates to his site are common. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: CAN-MANITOBA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 63 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Canadian Gravemarker Gallery Updates - 17 Sep 2008 > (Murray Pletsch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:51:20 -0400 > From: "Murray Pletsch" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAN-MANITOBA] Canadian Gravemarker Gallery Updates - 17 Sep > 2008 > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > * > OBJECTIVE. > ********* > * > The aim of this Upgrade Newsletter is to itemize and publish the changes > and > additions to the Northern Ontario and Canadian Gravemarker Galleries > websites. > * > NEW CEMETERIES ADDED TO THE NORTHERN ONTARIO GRAVEMARKERS GALLERY. > ****************************************************** > * > 1. Sudbury District, City of Sudbury, Eyre Cemetery. > * > 2. Sudbury District, City of Sudbury, Anglican Cemetery. > * > 3. Sudbury District, City of Sudbury, Onaping Falls. > * > 4. Renfrew County, Slate Falls Loggers Memorial Site, Brudenell > Township. > * > 5. Timiskaming District, Kirkland Lake Cemetery (Partial), Teck > Township. > * > NEW CEMETERIES ADDED TO THE CANADIAN GRAVEMARKER GALLERY. > ****************************************************** > * > 1. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Sturgeon County, Legal Cemetery. > * > 2. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Sturgeon County, Morinville Cemetery. (Old > and New). > * > 3. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Sturgeon County, Calahoo Cemetery. > * > 4. ALberta, Edmonton Region, Sturgeon County, Namao Cemetery. > * > 5. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Sturgeon County, Villeneuve Cemetery. > * > 6. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Sturgeon County, Riviere Qui Barre > Cemetery. > * > 7. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Lac Ste. Anne County, Onaway Catholic > Cemetery. > * > 8. Alberta, Edmonton Region, Lac Ste. Anne County, Onaway Baptist > Cemetery. > * > 9. ALberta, Edmonton Region, Lac Ste. Anne County, Anglican Cemetery. > * > 10. Ontario, Southwestern Region, Bruce County, Tiverton Cemetery. > * > CEMETERIES IN PROGRESS. > ******************** > * > 1. RENFREW COUNTY is now completely online thanks mainly to the hard > work > of Diane Dillon. > * > 2. SUDBURY DISTRICT. The EYRE and ANGLICAN Cemeteries have been redone > separately and online. > * > 3. SUDBURY DISTRICT. The HANMER and CAPREOL Cemeteries have been > photographed. Processing continues. > * > 4. TIMISKAMING DISTRICT. The Kirkland Lake Cemetery is partially online > and progress continues. > * > 5. KENORA DISTRICT. The Lake of The woods Cemetery has been > photographed > and processing has started. > * > 6. RAINY RIVER. Volunteers are continuing work on Rainy River > cemeteries. > * > 7. NIPISSING DISTRICT. The North Bay St. Mary's Cemetery is being > re-photographed. > * > 8. RENFREW DISTRICT. The ARNPRIOR Malloch Road Cemetery has been > re-photographed and processing continues. > * > TIPS. > **** > Searching for common names such as "brown" can result in many hits. > Experiment with the search engine. Try...BROWN1...then BROWN2.....then > BROWN3...etc etc..! This will reduce the results for each search. > * > WEBSITE NEWS. > ************ > * > CANADIAN GRAVEMARKER GALLERY. > **************************** > 1. Over the past 8 years I have been asked by Out-Of-Province folks, > "If > I photographed local cemeteries, can I send the pictures to you and have > them placed online?" At the time, I told these folks that I was > concentrating only on Northern Ontario. > * > 2. However, I have now built a National website: http://gravemarkers.ca > .....! On this new site I can accommodate photographs of complete > cemeteries from anywhere in Canada. > * > 3. If you have family or friends across Canada who may be interested in > photographing their local cemeteries, please pass on this information. > * > 4. If you are interested in your local cemeteries going online, please > contact me at: mailto:[email protected] or mailto:[email protected] > * > NORTHERN ONTARIO GRAVEMARKER GALLERY. > ************************************ > 1. The Northern Ontario Gravemarker Gallery has 250,000 photographs > online with more going online weekly. > * > 2. Search Engines. Please note that the Northern Ontario Gravemarker > Gallery has it's own search engine at this time. The Canadian Gravemarker > Gallery has it's own search engine currently. The objective is to have > the > one search engine to index both websites and queries are being made. > * > 3. The number of visitors to the Northern Ontario Gravemarker Gallery > is > nearing 500,000....which is significant when you consider the majority of > these visitors are family researchers. > * > NORTHERN ONTARIO HISTORIC/NOSTALGIC WEBSITE. > ******************************************* > 1. Several visitors have asked about the research value of the > Historic/Nostalgic website. I explain that the yearbooks and classroom > photos with names, place the student in a specific place and time; plus in > most cases it will also place their parents in that specific place and > time. > * > 2. Please note that the *Northern Ontario Historic Photo Gallery* is > online at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~cannor > * > 3. Currently there are many yearbooks and class photos online for North > Bay and other Northern Ontario communities. > * > ****************************************************** > ****************************************************** > * > NORTHERN ONTARIO GRAVEMARKER GALLERY: > ************************************ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murrayp > * > CANADIAN GRAVEMARKERS GALLERY: > ***************************** > http://www.gravemarkers.ca > * > * > > SUBSCRIBING TO THE UPDATES NEWSLETTER: > ************************************* > To Subscribe to the Gravemarker Galleries Newsletter please go to the > Website at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~murrayp and click on the "Join > Updates Newsletter" button located just above the weather row. > * > ****************************************************** > * > * > NOTES: > ***** > 1. Cemeteries have spousal duplicated photographs. This means a photo > which has the spouse's maiden name showing, is duplicated and when one > searches for a surname, the spouse's surname will be a separate "search > result". > * > 2. The speed at which cemeteries are photographed depends mainly on the > price of gas for our cars to reach distant cemeteries. Should you wish to > help out with this ongoing huge project, please contact Murray at > mailto:[email protected] > * > ********************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CAN-MANITOBA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the CAN-MANITOBA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CAN-MANITOBA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 63 > *******************************************

Second that thanks for the map site. Think in terms of "Pony Express", Wells Fargo, etc. which delivered mail, freight goods back then. The "Express" office probably was where they delivered to but there is some history to American Express which was formed in 1850: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Express. Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "faye rees" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Wakefield NH Carroll County > Thanks for the link to the maps Cindy! > How fun.. Nice to see how things were 100+ years ago! > I am thinking an express office was a like a shipping office - to send > things via wagon?, but I am not 100% sure. > > Our great grandmother grew up in Solon Maine, her husband was born in > Tuftonboro and Sandwich New Hampshire and my grandfather was born in the > White Mountains in Berlin - I have no idea how they managed to find each > other but looking at the map the towns are kind of in a straight line.. > > Again thanks > faye > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia > Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:42 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Wakefield NH Carroll County > > Yesterday through another site i was given this site > http://www.livgenmi.com/1895/ > > It was interesting to finally see exactly where my ancestors lived in > Maine > and New Hampshire. My gr grandmother Amanda Crockett was born in > Mechanic > Falls ME and married my gr grandfather Arthur McDonald from Wakefield. I > wanted to see how close the two cities were. > > The maps are for 1895 and it also has a link you can look up the cities > with population. It says in 1895 that Wakefield had a population of 100. > > If my gr grandfather had 13 children and they stayed in the area and my > grandfather had somewhere around 10 I think, does that mean most of that > 100 > was my family? > > They had a post office, railroad and express office. I don't know what an > express office was. > > -- > Cindyp

Hi Toni. The Canada/New York/Pennsylvania area around that time can be funny. I have the same situation with my gg grandfather, b 1838 Canada. However, sometimes his birth is stated as New York and sometimes Pennsylvania. You might try widening your searches to include those areas. Have a great day. Donna

I always try to go "sideways"..........by doing this I"ve found living third cousins who had the missing link to a maternal line road block. So far I've found info on three ggg grandmothers , that were road blocks, because her sibling's ggg grandchild is looking for info about my line. I also found a relative 3 generations back, that family history said had no children....well, not true as I found him with children on a census report in another State. I kept researching the family in Wisconsin, and a living generation lives 5 miles from my brother in Colorado ! They have met and shared old photos. The family resemblance is even there. Going sideways? I recommend it !

Hello Lauraine: What was your father's Haplogroup? My brother, surname BROWN, is R1a, and we have a few Shetland Island "almost" matches. Barbara -----Original Message----- >From: Lauraine Syrnick <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 17, 2008 8:12 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] SMITH - Sheland DNA Project > >Hi Lita: > >My maiden name was SMITH - not an easy name to research, but my line came >from Shetland, a group of North Sea Islands, so made things slightly >easier. Talked my late Dad into supplying his DNA for the Shetland DNA >project. Really never found anything we didn't already know. A lst cousin >of mine had his DNA tested and he matched up to my Dad, his Uncle. One chap >had an exact match of 12 markers and was keen on finding his paternal line; >he had found his mother but not his father. Unfortunately, 12 markers are >just not enough. If anyone choses the DNA route try for at least 25 markers >and preferably 37. Test prices are going down, but am not sure just how >valuable they are?? If you have a common name with groups clustered in say >Kentucky and New York, DNA testing might reveal which group you came from, >but it does not find G. G Grampa. The test does give some idea of where >your ancestor's origins; i.e. Viking, Asia, N. American Native, etc. As >the tests descrease in price, may opt to have the MtDNA test in the hopes of >seeing which Eve I come from. > >Anyone interested in what type of results are given, google "Shetland DNA >Project" and go through the site. It will gives a good idea of what to >expect from the testing. This is becoming a real fad, so look into before >investing cash in it. If DNA testing reveals skewed relationships, it is >important for families to keep in mind that even our ancestors and parents >are very human. Sometimes for health reasons, transplants, etc., DNA >testing brings surprises. > >Lauraine > >If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to >dance." >- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lita Bower" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:54 PM >Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Finding Out About Siblings of Ancestors > > >> Kinda off on another tangent here but I often wonder if people have gotten >> rude awakenings with the DNA tracking. As in nothing matches for them >> while >> siblings/parents do. >> >> Lita >> >> People of integrity expect to be believed and when they're not, they let >> time prove them right. >> >> Come see me at >> http://www.picturetrail.com/grammapux >> http://community.webshots.com/user/grammapux > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > >To search the archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >The information page is: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________ "Second star to the right . . . straight on 'til morning." -- J.M. Barrie

In the 1851 census Huge and Bridget Curley were living with their son Thomas and his wife Susanna in Chinquacousy Township, Ontario, Canada. Eventualy Thomas and his wife moved down to Michigan. Huge/ hugh was born about 1795 in Taum, Galway, Ireland and Bridget in the same area about 1805. So they were quiet young still in 1851. Thomas was born in 1827 in Ireland. Just seems to me unless Bridget had medical issues that a catholic irish family would have more than one child. I have not been able to verify any of their births in Ireland yet. I keep looking and looking. THomas and Huge were both stone masons. Thomas came down to work in Emmett, MI. building a church. He liked the area so much he stayed and built a house there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Finding Out About Siblings of Ancestors > Hi Debbie: > > Presume your Hugh & Bridget Curley were on the Canadian 1851 census? Did > they live in Lower Canada or Upper Canada, the Martimes or? If they were > in > the Martimes, you may want to have someone check the U.S. 1860 Census for > New England States and New York. Lots of border crossings for work back > then. Both Boston and New York had large Irish Catholic areas. > > It is just great you were reunited and are close to one of your sisters. > Glad you feel your were the lucky one. Many adoptive parents wanted > children so badly and it must be hard for them when the children start > looking for their roots, especially if they knew there were any negative > things to find. > > Lauraine > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Bert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Finding Out About Siblings of Ancestors > > >> On our Curley line, can't find what happened to my Huge and Bridget >> Curley >> after the census of 1851. They were an irish catholic family so I figure >> there must be other siblings for their one son that we know of. I have >> never turned up anything and I am still searching to find out when and >> where >> Huge and Bridget died. >> >> On another note, I am adopted and was reunited with my birth family at >> 38, >> I >> am now 56. >> It was very healing and wonderful for me but I understand not everyone >> feels >> that way. >> I was raised as an only child, so it was great to find out I was one of >> seven children. >> I now have a sister that I am very close to and their are other people >> that >> look like me! >> My mothers life was not good and she was a horrible abusive mother, I was >> the lucky one. >> For me, I needed to know. >> deb in mi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dalle, Nancy, Civ, 126 CES, CEOR, 4878" >> <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Finding Out About Siblings of Ancestors >> >> >>>A lot of times you may want to find out information about brothers and >>> sisters, and half brothers and sisters but other family members don't. >>> Remember to respect the other members while you are researching. >>> >>> My husband and his brothers were placed in Foster Care when he was 3 >>> years >>> old. Their father had left their mother and remarried and has three >>> more >>> boys. Their mother passed away. My husbands brothers have been in >>> contact >>> with their father, and have met their half brothers, my husband has not. >>> He >>> has no desire to meet these people, he says as far as he is concerned >>> his >>> father died when he was 3. >>> >>> I am researching the family to help my brother-in-laws - but I don't >>> discuss >>> it with my husband and I don't tell him what I've found, because quite >>> frankly he doesn't care and I respect his right not to care. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Cynthia Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:46 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Finding Out About Siblings of Ancestors >>> >>> and my mother and aunt were reluctant to talk about my father. But a >>> half >>> brother 14 years younger than me found me last year and thru his mother >>> (my >>> stepmother) who is only 10 yrs older than me i have pictures of my >>> father >>> and the 2 half brothers, fouond out he was married 4 times and had a >>> daughter with the last wife, found out how he died and that even tho he >>> never got in touch with me he carried my picture with him. >>> >>> We know where the half sister is but she won't talk to us neither will >>> her >>> mother. And this is the wife he was with when he died. So what's the >>> harm >>> after all these years. >>> >>> but still I know so much more than i did. I have court documents on the >>> marriages and divorces now. All because a half brother found me. >>> >>> cindy >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Betty <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I have always had an interest in finding out about the siblings of an >>>> ancestor. It goes along with what was going on in the world - or in >>>> their town - when the ancestor was living. I don't need to find out >>>> everything about the sibling, but it would be nice to find out who they >>>> married and how many children they had. After all those children >>>> would >>> be >>>> my ancestor's nephews and nieces. >>>> >>>> And, my "wish" - as someone else said - is that the descendants of >>>> those nephews and nieces might have more information on my ancestor >>>> than >>>> I >>> do. >>>> >>>> And I'd like to mention half-siblings. My grandmother eloped at Age >>> 17, >>>> probably because she was pregnant. She lost that baby, and then a 2nd >>>> baby, and then had a daughter and 2 sons. The first husband and she >>>> divorced in 1935, and she was already pregnant with the man who would >>>> be her >>>> 2nd husband. She then had her 2nd daughter and another son. This >>>> aunt >>>> and uncle are only about 8-9 years older than I am. >>>> >>>> The reason I'm mentioning this is that this aunt knew her mother much >>>> more >>>> than I did. My father did not get along with his parents, so we >>>> didn't >>>> visit all that much. And, my aunt knew her mother's mother more than >>>> I >>>> did. So she can tell me lots of stories about her mother and >>>> grandmother, >>>> and I would never have heard them. >>>> >>>> Part of what I am saying is that there are more than 4-5 children in a >>>> family, and they are spread apart in ages, the younger children in >>>> the family knew the parents much longer than their oldest sibling - >>>> in some cases. >>>> >>>> >>>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) >>>> >>>> List Administrator >>>> >>>> >>>> (My aunt lost all 4 of her siblings during the 1990's. Her younger >>>> brother "dropped dead" at Age 60. He didn't like to go to doctors. >>> An >>>> autopsy showed he had undiagnosed heart disease, undiagnosed lung >>>> disease, >>>> and undiagnosed cancer at the time of his death. My aunt is >>>> relatively >>>> healthy.) >>>> >>>> (This is another case of "life-threatening diseases" coming down from >>>> the >>>> KIDDER / WILKINS ancestors near Calais, Maine. Or, as I was advised >>>> several years ago, my parents and their siblings inherited "weak >>>> immune systems" from their ancestors.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, >>>> I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include >>>> the >>>> SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure >>>> there >>> is >>>> a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >>>> >>>> To search the archives: >>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>>> The information page is: >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.ht >>>> ml >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cindyp >>> >>> http://grammiesbears.com >>> http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu >>> http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips >>> http://shaklee.net/naturalngreen >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I >>> find >>> it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the >>> SUBJECT >>> from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a >>> SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >>> >>> To search the archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>> The information page is: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I >>> find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the >>> SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there >>> is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >>> >>> To search the archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>> The information page is: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I >> find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the >> SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there >> is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >> >> To search the archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >> The information page is: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara: Think it is I1a - supposedly a rare Haplogroup? Ancestor was James Smith son of Nicol Smith & Catherine Sinclair. Easy to spot it on the Shetland DNA Project. Lauraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Brown Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] SMITH - Shetland DNA Project > Hello Lauraine: What was your father's Haplogroup? My brother, surname > BROWN, is R1a, and we have a few Shetland Island "almost" matches. > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Lauraine Syrnick <[email protected]> >>Sent: Sep 17, 2008 8:12 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] SMITH - Sheland DNA Project >> >>Hi Lita: >> >>My maiden name was SMITH - not an easy name to research, but my line came >>from Shetland, a group of North Sea Islands, so made things slightly >>easier. Talked my late Dad into supplying his DNA for the Shetland DNA >>project. Really never found anything we didn't already know. A lst >>cousin >>of mine had his DNA tested and he matched up to my Dad, his Uncle. One >>chap >>had an exact match of 12 markers and was keen on finding his paternal >>line; >>he had found his mother but not his father. Unfortunately, 12 markers >>are >>just not enough. If anyone choses the DNA route try for at least 25 >>markers >>and preferably 37. Test prices are going down, but am not sure just how >>valuable they are?? If you have a common name with groups clustered in >>say >>Kentucky and New York, DNA testing might reveal which group you came from, >>but it does not find G. G Grampa. The test does give some idea of where >>your ancestor's origins; i.e. Viking, Asia, N. American Native, etc. As >>the tests descrease in price, may opt to have the MtDNA test in the hopes >>of >>seeing which Eve I come from. >> >>Anyone interested in what type of results are given, google "Shetland DNA >>Project" and go through the site. It will gives a good idea of what to >>expect from the testing. This is becoming a real fad, so look into before >>investing cash in it. If DNA testing reveals skewed relationships, it is >>important for families to keep in mind that even our ancestors and parents >>are very human. Sometimes for health reasons, transplants, etc., DNA >>testing brings surprises. >> >>Lauraine >> >>If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it >>to >>dance." >>- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

Hi Lita: My maiden name was SMITH - not an easy name to research, but my line came from Shetland, a group of North Sea Islands, so made things slightly easier. Talked my late Dad into supplying his DNA for the Shetland DNA project. Really never found anything we didn't already know. A lst cousin of mine had his DNA tested and he matched up to my Dad, his Uncle. One chap had an exact match of 12 markers and was keen on finding his paternal line; he had found his mother but not his father. Unfortunately, 12 markers are just not enough. If anyone choses the DNA route try for at least 25 markers and preferably 37. Test prices are going down, but am not sure just how valuable they are?? If you have a common name with groups clustered in say Kentucky and New York, DNA testing might reveal which group you came from, but it does not find G. G Grampa. The test does give some idea of where your ancestor's origins; i.e. Viking, Asia, N. American Native, etc. As the tests descrease in price, may opt to have the MtDNA test in the hopes of seeing which Eve I come from. Anyone interested in what type of results are given, google "Shetland DNA Project" and go through the site. It will gives a good idea of what to expect from the testing. This is becoming a real fad, so look into before investing cash in it. If DNA testing reveals skewed relationships, it is important for families to keep in mind that even our ancestors and parents are very human. Sometimes for health reasons, transplants, etc., DNA testing brings surprises. Lauraine If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lita Bower" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Finding Out About Siblings of Ancestors > Kinda off on another tangent here but I often wonder if people have gotten > rude awakenings with the DNA tracking. As in nothing matches for them > while > siblings/parents do. > > Lita > > People of integrity expect to be believed and when they're not, they let > time prove them right. > > Come see me at > http://www.picturetrail.com/grammapux > http://community.webshots.com/user/grammapux