Marilyn, sorry to be writing so many separate e-mails about this. The record show that Alexander at age 14 was born in Canada, but the older siblings: Francis, Sophia and Charles (ages 19, 17 and 16) were born in the US. So they would have lived in the USA from 1831-1834) and have been in Canada for the birth of Alexander in 1836. Then they would have been in the US for the births of the remaining 6 children. As you know, this was quite common in that area for that time period. They lived and worked and worshipped on both sides of the border. Mary

Sorry, for the delay. The 1850 Census says that Francis, Delila and son Alexander were born in Canada, all of the rest in the US. So that would put their immigration at @ 1836, the same time that many French Canadians came to St. Lawrence County. Which St. Lawrence Census did you say they were in in 1840? Mary Coates [email protected]

Although the 1881 census has been available online in part for many years. It's now fully searchable for free with the original images at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1881/index-e.html You can do searches in many ways such as occupation, religion and location.

Lauraine, this is an awesome resource! Thank you so much for pointing it out! Janet > For anyone interested on Loyalist books, there is a fair selection at Archives > Internet which can be downloaded free. > > http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Loyalists%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts > > Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick

This site has quite a few Loyalist names: http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Info/loyalist_list.php It gives the ships some of them came to Canada on and sometimes the details give a name of a descendant, etc. My Loyalist ancestor was William MAY b. 1743, Loonenberg, NY Coloney (now Greene County). The MAY family arrived in New York in 1709/10 as Palatines. William is a proven UEL, but not by me. He rode with Butler's Rangers and have to wonder if he traded shots or terrorized my Patriot family. Some suggestion another 4x g. Grandfather, Heinrich Albrecht was a loyalist too, but am thinking it is more likely he was a Hessian. Still working on that. For anyone interested on Loyalist books, there is a fair selection at Archives Internet which can be downloaded free. http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Loyalists%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick

Hmm - maybe I forgot to post the site - very possible. Here it is: http://renrutii.tribalpages.com/?userid=renrutii&x=11&y=8 It is not strictly a loyalist site, but some loyalist names on it and definitely quite a few New England surnames including several Kidders. Lauraine If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] KIDDER > Hi Lauraine, > > Did you mean to post a URL for a web site? > > I did just go to the archives for the UEL List, and found only one posting > which mentioned a KIDDER. The lady making the query has been searching > for years for the origins of her ancestor, Thomas KIDDER. > > The man who knows the most about the KIDDER's is George in FL, and he > believes that Thomas came from Great Britain - and he was not a descendant > of the patriarch, James KIDDER of 1600's MA Bay Colony. > > The majority of KIDDER's in the US are descended from James, but several > KIDDER men did arrive in the 1700's or 1800's and had people descended > from > them. > > As far as "Loyalists" go, there was one in early "Maine." Richard > KIDDER > moved his family to "Maine" and had many children, but he "became quite a > character" and "was too loyal for his own good," and he had to "escape" to > Nova Scotia for a few years. > > And, my ancestor, Calvin KIDDER (1765-1799), did migrated to New Brunswick > as a very young man, but he was never labeled as a Loyalist. Some have > suggested he was following a girlfriend's family when he left his home. > His older brother and his younger brother both fought hard in the > Revolutionary War from New Hampshire, but there is no record of him > fighting. > > His uncle, Reuben KIDDER, was a "sympathizer" and also a "character" in > New > Hampshire. But, he was also a business man in several businesses, and a > surveyor, etc., and he seems to have been allowed to be a "sympathizer." > > Those are the only stories from the "KIDDER book" that I remember at this > moment. OOPS. There is a lady in Canada who has a KIDDER ancestor, > and > he went up to Upper Canada (?) early on. She searched for many years > to > find out his origins. We haven't heard from her in a while, so I don't > know if she ever got the answers to her questions. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > P.S. I just noticed there is a List for "Upper Canada." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> > To: "Cda US Immigration" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:07 AM > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] KIDDER > > > Spotted this site on the United Empire Loyalist list. Webmaster, Ernie > Turner, is a Canadian, but a lot of New England names on it and noted a > number of KIDDERS. Found some Whittiers and Sibleys so posting in case it > is helpful to others. Certainly a well laid out site. > > Lauraine > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is no one list of Loyalists, and it is a misconception to think that there is. The first place you should look for a possible Loyalist ancestor is in the land records, for Loyalists and their families were granted land in accordance with their military rank and dependants. You can read more about this and how to search in the UCLP (Upper Canada Land Petitions) for your ancestor(s) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/uclp.shtml There were lists of approved Loyalists, but there was more than one, they are all different in varying ways, and no one list is considered the final word. For example the Crown Lands Department created lists of Loyalists based on various sources. This is the Crown Lands (aka Old UEL List). It contains approximately 6,000 names but only about half are qualified UEL. The Executive Council devised a different list from various district rolls. This lists is called the Executive Council UE List. This list, considered more accurate than the Old UEL List, contains about 3,000 names but is *not* complete. *Both* these lists, which were first drawn up in the 1790s, have been altered since they were written. The important thing to remember is that when/if you consult these lists, a negative result (your ancestor's name does not appear) does not necessarily mean he is not a qualified Loyalist! That is why you must search other records, such as the UCLP which I spoke of above. You can also consult the following - Haldimand Papers - papers and correspondence of Haldimand, Sir Frederick from 1758-1784 - Loyalist Claims and Conversion List, 1790-1837 - Audit Office 12 and 13 - The Loyalists in Ontario: The Sons & Daughters of the American Loyalists - District Loyalist Rolls - United Empire Loyalist Lists All of these sources (plus the UCLP) are fully explained at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loyfind.shtml You will also find the microfilm reel numbers (if applicable) and location of each source. I always start with the UCLP because it is indexed (UCLP Index) *and* if your ancestor is found, you may be lucky enough to find a wealth of genealogical information in his/her petition(s) for land grants. After thoroughly searching the UCLP (and being very creative with spellling!!), I move on to the other sources, leaving no stone unturned. For more info on Loyalists and resources online, you can consult http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loylinks.shtml A few more excellent source websites are http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/halew/Loyalist-Claims.html http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/loyal1.htm Lorine -- Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

On 9/23/08, Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > Archives of Canada and are usually called the District Loyalist Rolls of > 1796. > No one list of Loyalists can be considered "the" List. There is no simple definitive and accurate list. You must consult them all, from the Old UEL list to Reid's book to all the variant lists made. After 1796 the Executive Council kept a list of Loyalists based on District Rolls. This became the Executive Council UE List and contains about 3,500 names. It is not considered a complete list, but it is considered more accurate than the Crown Lands (Old UEL) list. The Crown Lands Dept. created a second list, based on other records. This became the Old UEL List and contains approximately 6,000 names, but not all qualified. When searching Loyalists you also need to consult pay lists, muster rolls, and the land records. For a good reference to what is available, see Brenda Dougall Merriman's book "Genealogy in Ontario: Searching the Records" Look under Brenda's chapter on Loyalists. For those interested in this time period, and what clues the OC date offers, you can always refer to the Loyalist Section of Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/ One thing I think is very important is to recognize that the Petitions of Loyalists for land are not uniform. You may find one small petition, giving just enough facts to persuade the Crown to give that person a free grant as a Loyalist. You may find page after page of affidavits, testimonies, and so on, all documentation to prove the petitioner's claim. For example in my own Loyalist research, one of my Loyalist ancestors' files has an affidavit from a well known judge of the Niagara area, testifying to his Loyalty during the 'troubles' - this document providing his former place of residence in the United States. Another Loyalist file included a document signed by his commanding officer in Butler's Rangers (providing his unit), describing the petitioner's hardships including being imprisoned 3 times in Albany NY. A second document gave great detail about the petitioner's wife (including the number of children) and her hardships in NY, including a description of the night the "rebels" came to her home in the northern part of NY and burned it to the ground. This document went on to describe her ordeal as she and her children attempted to make their way north to "Canada". I would not want anyone to overlook these petitions as a wonderful source of detail as well as genealogical material. Until you find them you have no way of knowing how much or how little information may be contained in the file. For more info on these petitions and how to obtain them on microfilm, see "How to Find your Loyalist Ancestor" at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loyfind.shtml Reid's book on Loyalists was never intended to be the Bible of Loyalist families. Reid simply organized index cards into what he thought were family groups. *Many* if not most families are incomplete. Some individuals are incorrectly placed. Reid's book is a wonderful resource, and a great starting point for your Loyalist research, but you should verify independently that a child he places in a family group does belong there (by looking up ALL petitions for that family), and never never assume that because an individual isn't in the family group he/she doesn't exist or isn't a Loyalist. There are many terrific online sites too, while I don't want to overlook all the great sites, my favourite is at http://www.royalprovincial.com/ Lorine -- Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

Billerica in Canada became Wyman, Quebec and is now part of the municipality of Pontiac, Quebec. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac,_Quebec<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac,_Quebec> Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:22 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Billerica in US and Canada (Billericay) Hi again, Since the subject of Loyalists is being discussed, I'd like to mention a story I heard a few years ago. I lived in Billerica, MA (US) for many years, and had learned that it was named after a town in England, which is Billericay. In fact they were now "sister towns" and there is a group of people who visit each town. (We pronounce it as the man's name, Bill Ricka. They pronounce it as the man's name, Bill er Ricky.) I always thought that Billerica was a unique name, and that no other town in the US (or North America) had the same name. But, several years ago someone told me that back in the 1700's several families (Loyalists?) left Billerica and migrated to Canada. And, they named their little settlement, Billerica. But, some years later they decided to change the name of the village; I believe it was named after a resident of the village. I haven't thought about it for a long time, but I think it was initially in Upper Canada, and near the border with the US. Just an FYI for you. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator FYI: I believe there are books, one which lists all the names of towns in New England which are named after towns in Great Britain, and another which lists all the towns in New England, which have Native American names. Are there similar books for Canada? When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION> The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, Since the subject of Loyalists is being discussed, I'd like to mention a story I heard a few years ago. I lived in Billerica, MA (US) for many years, and had learned that it was named after a town in England, which is Billericay. In fact they were now "sister towns" and there is a group of people who visit each town. (We pronounce it as the man's name, Bill Ricka. They pronounce it as the man's name, Bill er Ricky.) I always thought that Billerica was a unique name, and that no other town in the US (or North America) had the same name. But, several years ago someone told me that back in the 1700's several families (Loyalists?) left Billerica and migrated to Canada. And, they named their little settlement, Billerica. But, some years later they decided to change the name of the village; I believe it was named after a resident of the village. I haven't thought about it for a long time, but I think it was initially in Upper Canada, and near the border with the US. Just an FYI for you. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator FYI: I believe there are books, one which lists all the names of towns in New England which are named after towns in Great Britain, and another which lists all the towns in New England, which have Native American names. Are there similar books for Canada?

Hi Lauraine, Did you mean to post a URL for a web site? I did just go to the archives for the UEL List, and found only one posting which mentioned a KIDDER. The lady making the query has been searching for years for the origins of her ancestor, Thomas KIDDER. The man who knows the most about the KIDDER's is George in FL, and he believes that Thomas came from Great Britain - and he was not a descendant of the patriarch, James KIDDER of 1600's MA Bay Colony. The majority of KIDDER's in the US are descended from James, but several KIDDER men did arrive in the 1700's or 1800's and had people descended from them. As far as "Loyalists" go, there was one in early "Maine." Richard KIDDER moved his family to "Maine" and had many children, but he "became quite a character" and "was too loyal for his own good," and he had to "escape" to Nova Scotia for a few years. And, my ancestor, Calvin KIDDER (1765-1799), did migrated to New Brunswick as a very young man, but he was never labeled as a Loyalist. Some have suggested he was following a girlfriend's family when he left his home. His older brother and his younger brother both fought hard in the Revolutionary War from New Hampshire, but there is no record of him fighting. His uncle, Reuben KIDDER, was a "sympathizer" and also a "character" in New Hampshire. But, he was also a business man in several businesses, and a surveyor, etc., and he seems to have been allowed to be a "sympathizer." Those are the only stories from the "KIDDER book" that I remember at this moment. OOPS. There is a lady in Canada who has a KIDDER ancestor, and he went up to Upper Canada (?) early on. She searched for many years to find out his origins. We haven't heard from her in a while, so I don't know if she ever got the answers to her questions. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S. I just noticed there is a List for "Upper Canada." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <[email protected]> To: "Cda US Immigration" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:07 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] KIDDER Spotted this site on the United Empire Loyalist list. Webmaster, Ernie Turner, is a Canadian, but a lot of New England names on it and noted a number of KIDDERS. Found some Whittiers and Sibleys so posting in case it is helpful to others. Certainly a well laid out site. Lauraine

Hello, I get a newsletter from a genealogy publishing company about once a month. This morning there is mention of a book which might interest someone. We are not supposed to mention "commercial web sites" on the Lists. But I will say that I have no interest in this book or in the web site. This is the description offered: ONTARIO PEOPLE, 1796-1803 After the American Revolution, several thousand families came to settle in the western part of Quebec, later called Upper Canada, then Canada West and today Ontario. These settlers were former members of American Loyalist regiments, discharged British and German servicemen, and some civilians and refugees. They were offered grants of 200 acres of land on condition that they take an oath of allegiance and remain loyal to the British regime. Subsequently, thousands of settlers appeared before the magistrates in district courts throughout Upper Canada. The magistrates provided additional information in the records, which have been preserved in the National Archives of Canada and are usually called the District Loyalist Rolls of 1796. These rolls have been carefully transcribed for the first time by Dr. E. Keith Fitzgerald, who has supplemented the 4,000 entries with further data from his own research. Details supplied by the settlers, the magistrates, and by Dr. Fitzgerald now provide a rich source of information on the early inhabitants of Ontario. Was $25.00 Then $17.50 Now $12.50 http://www.genealogical.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&item_number=1855&NLC-GenPointers1 Hope you're having a good week and are ready for Autumn weather. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator P.S. I'll try to remember today to check out the List for the United Empire Loyalists. I don't think I ever looked at the archives.

Attn: Marilyn Craig Googled "Brasher, NY + Catholic Parishes" and found a number of sites. One was http://history.rays-place.com/ny/brasher-ny.htm This might give you some clues where to look further. Lauraine

Maggie, Yes, they are in several US census. They were in the 1840 census as living in Brasher, NY in St. Lawrence County. I just spent 2 days in the area last month but was unable to find out anything beyond what I already had. I spent a couple hours in the Canton Historical Society Library and they were very helpful, but when nothing is there, then nothing is there. Period. We looked. I think my only recourse, as I have said, is to find out the parish where the children were baptized and then look to LDS for a microfilm # once I find the parish. Because of the ties right across the border from Brasher, NY. I think I'd have more luck if I looked there first before venturing into Quebec. I mean, how would I even go about it? I'd have to go through every single parish register in every single town in that province. I'd have to have something to go on. Besides, I already belong to the Quebec list and have put out queries. Another problem is, I know I would find plenty of Desrosiers of any spelling up there, but wouldn't know if they belonged to my family. If they were there in the Mille Roches, (Cornwall) and Stormont area since at least the early 1800s, they must have let some trail somewhere in the area. I'll keep looking. Marilyn On Sep 21, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: > Sorry about that SKS stands for some kind soul. Still think if you > want > information from Quebec, join the Quebec list unless someone on > this list is > willing to do some look ups in Quebec for the 1830 or 1840 period. > The other possibility is go to a public library that provides > Ancestory.com. > and as someone kindly pointed out the records are called DROUIN. > There is > also the possibility that the family travelled to see relatives and > had > several children baptized at once in Canada, but agree with you > that the > closest Catholic Parish would be likely. Have you found them on a > U.S. > Census showing where they lived which might help identify a Parish? > > There is considerable history of French Canadians migrating to New > England: > http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/readings/ > leaving.htm > > Lauraine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > > >> Would they register in a Quebec parish when there was a closer one? >> Seems to me that transportation being what it was in those days they >> would go to the closest parish to baptize their kids, especially as >> often as they had them. >> >> Delia was probably Adelia. They had a daughter they named Adelia also >> so that was probably it. >> >> As far as Quebec research goes, I am afraid to even start it. There >> were so many towns and parishes and I don't have a clue as to which >> one they were in. It's so frustrating to be this far back and not be >> able to go any further. >> >> What is SKS? >> >> Marilyn >> On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: >> >>> Marilyn: >>> >>> Francis a rather common French name and there is an actually a >>> present day >>> hockey player by the name of Francis Desrosiers. Cassiday is also >>> a fairly >>> common Irish name but the Delia is unusual. Definitely concentrate >>> on the >>> Delia in your search. Yes, Ancestory.com recently added Quebec >>> records. >>> Like you do not have a subscription, but you might ask if SKS could >>> look it >>> up for you? Priests and ministers were not abundant in 1830's and >>> it is >>> possible they were registered in the Montreal Parish? Would >>> suggest you >>> post your hunt for baptisms in the Milles Roches list on the list >>> sent and >>> also on the Quebec List. Latter is a very busy list, but the >>> people are >>> very friendly and try to help. >>> >>> Lauraine >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers >>> >>> >>>> Lauraine, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the reply. >>>> >>>> I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not >>>> have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't >>>> seem to >>>> locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but >>>> until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean >>>> Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. >>>> >>>> I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to >>>> Francis & >>>> Delia. >>>> >>>> Marilyn >>> >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >>> List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering >>> to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! >>> Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >>> >>> To search the archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>> The information page is: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- >>> MIGRATION.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA- >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >> List, I >> find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to >> include the >> SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure >> there >> is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >> >> To search the archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >> The information page is: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- >> MIGRATION.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! > Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- > MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for posting that wesite, Lauraine. I really enjoyed reading it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers Sorry about that SKS stands for some kind soul. Still think if you want information from Quebec, join the Quebec list unless someone on this list is willing to do some look ups in Quebec for the 1830 or 1840 period. The other possibility is go to a public library that provides Ancestory.com. and as someone kindly pointed out the records are called DROUIN. There is also the possibility that the family travelled to see relatives and had several children baptized at once in Canada, but agree with you that the closest Catholic Parish would be likely. Have you found them on a U.S. Census showing where they lived which might help identify a Parish? There is considerable history of French Canadians migrating to New England: http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/readings/leaving.ht m Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > Would they register in a Quebec parish when there was a closer one? > Seems to me that transportation being what it was in those days they > would go to the closest parish to baptize their kids, especially as > often as they had them. > > Delia was probably Adelia. They had a daughter they named Adelia also > so that was probably it. > > As far as Quebec research goes, I am afraid to even start it. There > were so many towns and parishes and I don't have a clue as to which > one they were in. It's so frustrating to be this far back and not be > able to go any further. > > What is SKS? > > Marilyn > On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: > >> Marilyn: >> >> Francis a rather common French name and there is an actually a >> present day >> hockey player by the name of Francis Desrosiers. Cassiday is also >> a fairly >> common Irish name but the Delia is unusual. Definitely concentrate >> on the >> Delia in your search. Yes, Ancestory.com recently added Quebec >> records. >> Like you do not have a subscription, but you might ask if SKS could >> look it >> up for you? Priests and ministers were not abundant in 1830's and >> it is >> possible they were registered in the Montreal Parish? Would >> suggest you >> post your hunt for baptisms in the Milles Roches list on the list >> sent and >> also on the Quebec List. Latter is a very busy list, but the >> people are >> very friendly and try to help. >> >> Lauraine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers >> >> >>> Lauraine, >>> >>> Thanks for the reply. >>> >>> I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not >>> have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't seem to >>> locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but >>> until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean >>> Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. >>> >>> I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to Francis & >>> Delia. >>> >>> Marilyn >> >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >> List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering >> to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! >> Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >> >> To search the archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >> The information page is: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- >> MIGRATION.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. 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Spotted this site on the United Empire Loyalist list. Webmaster, Ernie Turner, is a Canadian, but a lot of New England names on it and noted a number of KIDDERS. Found some Whittiers and Sibleys so posting in case it is helpful to others. Certainly a well laid out site. Lauraine

Thanks for the offer, Myra. I couldn't get back to you because hubby went to a seminar this weekend and left me with the kids which didn't leave any time for my dead relatives. Think I can guilt him into owing me a trip to Salt Lake?????? Naw... If you have any time, whenever at your convenience, I sure would like to know the rest of the info on these two censuses: 1830 United States Federal Census Source Citation: Year: 1830; Census Place: Cicero Twp., Onondaga, New York; Roll: 100; Page: 104 Name: William Davis Number of persons in household: Ages of persons in household: Males: 1 btwn 30-40 [see image for rest of household] Foreigners not naturalized: View image Possible 1840 census match: 1840 United States Federal Census Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: Van Buren Twp., Onondaga, New York; Roll: 318; Page: 375 Name: William Davis Number of persons in household: Ages of persons in household: Males: 1 btwn 40-50 [see image for rest of household] Occupation information : View image Thanks ~ Donna

Sorry about that SKS stands for some kind soul. Still think if you want information from Quebec, join the Quebec list unless someone on this list is willing to do some look ups in Quebec for the 1830 or 1840 period. The other possibility is go to a public library that provides Ancestory.com. and as someone kindly pointed out the records are called DROUIN. There is also the possibility that the family travelled to see relatives and had several children baptized at once in Canada, but agree with you that the closest Catholic Parish would be likely. Have you found them on a U.S. Census showing where they lived which might help identify a Parish? There is considerable history of French Canadians migrating to New England: http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/readings/leaving.htm Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > Would they register in a Quebec parish when there was a closer one? > Seems to me that transportation being what it was in those days they > would go to the closest parish to baptize their kids, especially as > often as they had them. > > Delia was probably Adelia. They had a daughter they named Adelia also > so that was probably it. > > As far as Quebec research goes, I am afraid to even start it. There > were so many towns and parishes and I don't have a clue as to which > one they were in. It's so frustrating to be this far back and not be > able to go any further. > > What is SKS? > > Marilyn > On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: > >> Marilyn: >> >> Francis a rather common French name and there is an actually a >> present day >> hockey player by the name of Francis Desrosiers. Cassiday is also >> a fairly >> common Irish name but the Delia is unusual. Definitely concentrate >> on the >> Delia in your search. Yes, Ancestory.com recently added Quebec >> records. >> Like you do not have a subscription, but you might ask if SKS could >> look it >> up for you? Priests and ministers were not abundant in 1830's and >> it is >> possible they were registered in the Montreal Parish? Would >> suggest you >> post your hunt for baptisms in the Milles Roches list on the list >> sent and >> also on the Quebec List. Latter is a very busy list, but the >> people are >> very friendly and try to help. >> >> Lauraine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers >> >> >>> Lauraine, >>> >>> Thanks for the reply. >>> >>> I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not >>> have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't seem to >>> locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but >>> until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean >>> Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. >>> >>> I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to Francis & >>> Delia. >>> >>> Marilyn >> >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >> List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering >> to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! >> Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >> >> To search the archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >> The information page is: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- >> MIGRATION.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, SKS is some kind soul - and I felt a bit kind tonight so I tried to look at the Quebec records on Ancestry for you. The big new set of data is the DROUIN collection, a wonderful set of the actual images from the books in which baptisms were registered. But the index gives no parentage, so you can't search by it. You really need the infant's first name. However, if you would like to take the 14-day free trial on Ancestry, you could probably get through quite a few records. Too many for my state of kindness, I fear!! Do give it a try, even outside of Quebec: if the entry you want is there, there is a mass of extra info. best wishes Maggie Would they register in a Quebec parish when there was a closer one? Seems to me that transportation being what it was in those days they would go to the closest parish to baptize their kids, especially as often as they had them. Delia was probably Adelia. They had a daughter they named Adelia also so that was probably it. As far as Quebec research goes, I am afraid to even start it. There were so many towns and parishes and I don't have a clue as to which one they were in. It's so frustrating to be this far back and not be able to go any further. What is SKS? Marilyn On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: > Marilyn: > > Francis a rather common French name and there is an actually a > present day > hockey player by the name of Francis Desrosiers. Cassiday is also > a fairly > common Irish name but the Delia is unusual. Definitely concentrate > on the > Delia in your search. Yes, Ancestory.com recently added Quebec > records. > Like you do not have a subscription, but you might ask if SKS could > look it > up for you? Priests and ministers were not abundant in 1830's and > it is > possible they were registered in the Montreal Parish? Would > suggest you > post your hunt for baptisms in the Milles Roches list on the list > sent and > also on the Quebec List. Latter is a very busy list, but the > people are > very friendly and try to help. > > Lauraine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > > >> Lauraine, >> >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not >> have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't seem to >> locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but >> until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean >> Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. >> >> I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to Francis & >> Delia. >> >> Marilyn

Would they register in a Quebec parish when there was a closer one? Seems to me that transportation being what it was in those days they would go to the closest parish to baptize their kids, especially as often as they had them. Delia was probably Adelia. They had a daughter they named Adelia also so that was probably it. As far as Quebec research goes, I am afraid to even start it. There were so many towns and parishes and I don't have a clue as to which one they were in. It's so frustrating to be this far back and not be able to go any further. What is SKS? Marilyn On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lauraine Syrnick wrote: > Marilyn: > > Francis a rather common French name and there is an actually a > present day > hockey player by the name of Francis Desrosiers. Cassiday is also > a fairly > common Irish name but the Delia is unusual. Definitely concentrate > on the > Delia in your search. Yes, Ancestory.com recently added Quebec > records. > Like you do not have a subscription, but you might ask if SKS could > look it > up for you? Priests and ministers were not abundant in 1830's and > it is > possible they were registered in the Montreal Parish? Would > suggest you > post your hunt for baptisms in the Milles Roches list on the list > sent and > also on the Quebec List. Latter is a very busy list, but the > people are > very friendly and try to help. > > Lauraine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Craig" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] DeRosier/Derosia/Desrosiers > > >> Lauraine, >> >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> I have looked at this site before (NOT the Ancestry one, I do not >> have a subscription) but while I find many DeRosiers, I can't seem to >> locate any of the family I seek. I'm sure these people are kin, but >> until I find the one I'm looking for, it's just speculation. Jean >> Baptiste may be a brother or an uncle. >> >> I am looking for children born and baptised in the 1830s to Francis & >> Delia. >> >> Marilyn > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! > Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA- > MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message