Looks like an interesting show, Lauraine! I hope we get it down here! thanks I am reading an interesting book Voyage Long And Strange by Tony Horwitz recounting his visits to the places in North American where Europeans visited and tried to settle.. it ends with Plymouth but starts with the Vikings, Columbus and the Spanish in the Carribean - which is where I am now - the Spanish etc in the Southwest and I don't remember where else it covers. Interesting read. ---- Lauraine Syrnick <[email protected]> wrote: > Spotted this on the Simcoe List and some may be interested. Not sure if we get the same schedule on the History Channel in Canada. > > http://www.history.ca/AncestorsintheAttic/Default.aspx > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorine - or anyone~ Were those late 1700s land grants offered only to the Loyalists or were they offered to anyone? thanks faye descendant of several recipients of various grants ---- Olive Tree Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: > > The first place you should look for a possible Loyalist > ancestor is in the land records, for Loyalists and their > families were granted land in accordance with their military > rank and dependants.

Spotted this on the Simcoe List and some may be interested. Not sure if we get the same schedule on the History Channel in Canada. http://www.history.ca/AncestorsintheAttic/Default.aspx

On 10/15/08, Dalle, Nancy, Civ, 126 CES, CEOR, 4878 <[email protected]> wrote: > Is there any database which list who came up to Canada instead of fighting > the British during the American Revolution. > Hello Nancy There is no one list of Loyalists. The first place you should look for a possible Loyalist ancestor is in the land records, for Loyalists and their families were granted land in accordance with their military rank and dependants. You can read more about this and how to search in the UCLP (Upper Canada Land Petitions) for your ancestor(s) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loyfind.shtml There were lists of approved Loyalists, but there was more than one, they are all different in varying ways, and no one list is considered the final word. For example the Crown Lands Department created lists of Loyalists based on various sources. This is the Crown Lands (aka Old UEL List). It contains approximately 6,000 names but only about half are qualified UEL. The Executive Council devised a different list from various district rolls. This lists is called the Executive Council UE List. This list, considered more accurate than the Old UEL List, contains about 3,000 names but is *not* complete. *Both* these lists, which were first drawn up in the 1790s, have been altered since they were written. The important thing to remember is that when/if you consult these lists, a negative result (your ancestor's name does not appear) does not necessarily mean he is not a qualified Loyalist! That is why you must search other records, such as the UCLP which I spoke of above. See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/uclp.shtml You can also consult the following - Haldimand Papers - papers and correspondence of Haldimand, Sir Frederick from 1758-1784 - Loyalist Claims and Conversion List, 1790-1837 - AuditOffice 12 and 13 - The Loyalists in Ontario: The Sons & Daughters of theAmerican Loyalists - District Loyalist Rolls - United Empire Loyalist Lists All of these sources (plus the UCLP) are fully explained on http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loyfind.shtml You will also find the microfilm reel numbers (if applicable) and location of each source. I always start with the UCLP because it is indexed (UCLP Index) *and* if your ancestor is found, you may be lucky enough to find a wealth of genealogical information in his/her petition(s) for land grants. After thoroughly searching the UCLP (and being very creative with spellling!!), I move on to the other sources, leaving no stone unturned. For more info on Loyalists and resources online, you can consult http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loylinks.shtml I have dozens of links to online sources of information although I see I have missed a few excellent source websites, namely http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/halew/Loyalist-Claims.html http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/loyal1.htm Also check the right hand nav bar on my page for links to articles and online databases http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loylinks.shtml Lorine -- Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

Betty, Do you have little black and yellow stripes around your body??????? Do you BUZZZZ as you go flying about town?????? Do you return home covered in POLEN????? You must. No one could possibly be as busy as you seem to be reading, answering questions, searching for us, and coming up with great topics for thought. You're a BEE. (My husband is a BEE also, so I know of what I speak.) Cheers, Yolanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:31 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] What Did Ancestors Think - When Arriving ?

Many of the people who came to Canada would be classified as Loyalists and there re several Loyalist sites and lists. They were known as Tories in the U.S. There were numerous people from the Canadian colonies who sided with the Patriots and fought against the British. Thus you have people who are famous or infamous depending on your point of view. One of my NY ancestors was a loyalist and rode with Butler's Rangers. Another fled south and was a Patriot spending a winter at Valley Forge. Some Acadians escaped to New England as well as Louisiana. My Acadian Robichaux/Robichauds ended up ikn Massachusetts and then Maine. One site you may wish to look through for names is: http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Info/loyalist_list.php Also: http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/longpt.htm http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cannb/ShipList_Amphitrite.html http://books.google.com/books?id=QUgSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA559&dq=history+of+shelburne+nova+scotia#PPP9,M1 If anyone finds ancestors in the Long Point area, please post. Some of Welsh ancestors settled there and have further information for research. Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick Smith/Eunson/Albright/Hird/Nicol/Whittier/Coombs/May/Sibley/Pochard/Robichaux, etc.etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dalle, Nancy, Civ, 126 CES, CEOR, 4878" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Those who migrated to Canada during the War > Is there any database which list who came up to Canada instead of fighting > the British during the American Revolution. > > I know my Mallory and Beardslee did, but wondered if any of my other line > did. > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The History of the Argenteuil, Quebec & Prescot can be found on-line at: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Argenteuil%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts Research in Manitoba and Saskatchewan is a bit easier as most settlers did not move there until late 1880's or 1900's. Vital Stats in Saskatchewan are working on putting their BMD's with time restrictions on-line. Believe births are done and Manaitoba Vital Stats offers all three with time restrictions. Lauraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] What Did Ancestors Think - When Arriving ? > > > My ancestors arrived in Gore near Lachute in 1824 and 1832 and I have > been there twice since I started my quest to know about my family. It > is quite picturesque and mainly a summer cottage type area now with > many lakes in the area. There is some arable land but mostly rocky > hillsides, covered with bush, swamp and lakes. It certainly is not > traditional farm country but our early ancestors made potash by > burning the trees as they cleared land for cultivation. They made > maple sugar they grew potatoes, grain and raised animals. In the > census records of 1841 1852 and 1862 there is allot of agricultural > information included. You can see the industry of the people and how > there holdings grew during this 30 year period. The only thing that I > came across that saddened me was the loss of the Methodist Church & > Cemetery in Lakefield, Gore Township, Argenteuil County, Quebec. > Around the time of WWII the church was used as a barracks for the > construction of the main road through Lakefield and at some point > shortly there after the cemetery was supposedly moved to the forest > west of town and the church raised. A few graves and markers were > moved to the Anglican Church yard in Lakefield but they were few in > number. The book History of the Counties of Argenteuil Quebec and > Prescott Ontario by C Thomas published in 1896 by J Lovell & Sons > and reprinted by Global Heritage Press of Milton Ontario in 1999 is a > good source of some information on the area. > > Many of those who initially squatted in Gore township moved in the > late 1860's to Compton in the eastern townships in places like East > Clifton (now called Clifton de St Isadore), Randborough, Johnstown, > Eaton, and Sawyerville to name a few. Here for the first time they > really had land suitable for agriculture right along the Canada US > border with NH and VT. From here many families had members who went > tot he USA I found several of my ancestors still in the area of East > Clifton. I found my Great Great Grandfathers house on Parker Hill > just outside Randborough and the family graves in Mapleleaf Cemetery > there. I was able to talk to the current owner and to go through the > house as it was being readied for sale and to meet the new owner a > year later. I even collected pine cones from two majestic pines that > stood next to the house and to start several trees from the seeds in > those pine cones. Within a year after moving into the house the new > owner had to cut the big pines down as they had started to rot at the > base. The barn had been pulled down and a new one erected and the > property was once again a working farm. > > At the end of the 1800's my people were once again on the move to > Sidney Manitoba and finally settling in Unity Saskatchewan in 1911 on > homesteads near the town. >

Hi Betty, I was a bit more lucky that you. I used the Roscommon Heritage Centre for 3 families in my tree and got useful information on two of them. When I queried the brief information on the third one, I was told they have access to limited records - civil registrations from 1865 mostly, and some parish records but not all. The parish records I then found out have never been computerised (tho' I think there is now a project going forward) and you are dependent on the state of microfilm, which for early records is likely to be difficult to read. Try _http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php?&set=yes_ (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php?&set=yes) who are bringing together the various Heritage Centre data. It's an expensive task if you're looking for "Michael Murphy, born about 1810, maybe in Mayo or Sligo" but if you know fairly precise details to enable you to identify the right record, it's rather good, and getting better all the time. good luck Maggie

Hi all - To those of you North of the border I hope your Thanksgiving was wonderful.. that your weather was as beautiful as it was here Monday.. and that all of you and your families are well.. to those of us South of the border same wishes for our day to come.. If I could I would invite my Dad's Uncle Clayton Morrissey as he is one family member of whom I heard wonderful stories from his fishing days

My ancestors arrived in Gore near Lachute in 1824 and 1832 and I have been there twice since I started my quest to know about my family. It is quite picturesque and mainly a summer cottage type area now with many lakes in the area. There is some arable land but mostly rocky hillsides, covered with bush, swamp and lakes. It certainly is not traditional farm country but our early ancestors made potash by burning the trees as they cleared land for cultivation. They made maple sugar they grew potatoes, grain and raised animals. In the census records of 1841 1852 and 1862 there is allot of agricultural information included. You can see the industry of the people and how there holdings grew during this 30 year period. The only thing that I came across that saddened me was the loss of the Methodist Church & Cemetery in Lakefield, Gore Township, Argenteuil County, Quebec. Around the time of WWII the church was used as a barracks for the construction of the main road through Lakefield and at some point shortly there after the cemetery was supposedly moved to the forest west of town and the church raised. A few graves and markers were moved to the Anglican Church yard in Lakefield but they were few in number. The book History of the Counties of Argenteuil Quebec and Prescott Ontario by C Thomas published in 1896 by J Lovell & Sons and reprinted by Global Heritage Press of Milton Ontario in 1999 is a good source of some information on the area. Many of those who initially squatted in Gore township moved in the late 1860's to Compton in the eastern townships in places like East Clifton (now called Clifton de St Isadore), Randborough, Johnstown, Eaton, and Sawyerville to name a few. Here for the first time they really had land suitable for agriculture right along the Canada US border with NH and VT. From here many families had members who went tot he USA I found several of my ancestors still in the area of East Clifton. I found my Great Great Grandfathers house on Parker Hill just outside Randborough and the family graves in Mapleleaf Cemetery there. I was able to talk to the current owner and to go through the house as it was being readied for sale and to meet the new owner a year later. I even collected pine cones from two majestic pines that stood next to the house and to start several trees from the seeds in those pine cones. Within a year after moving into the house the new owner had to cut the big pines down as they had started to rot at the base. The barn had been pulled down and a new one erected and the property was once again a working farm. At the end of the 1800's my people were once again on the move to Sidney Manitoba and finally settling in Unity Saskatchewan in 1911 on homesteads near the town. At 06:31 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >Hi again, > >Nancy brought up a good topic for discussion. In regards to my ancestors >who arrived in Canada, my KERR / HENDERSON's I just mentioned arrived in >Canada in the 1820's. They were supposed to go to a town on the southern >shore of the St. Lawrence, but that didn't work out. So, they were sent >to live in "the former Township of Gore" on the northern shore of the St. >Lawrence. > >I've read that Argenteuil County was part of a beautiful mountain range, and >it would have been a very nice place to settle down, build houses, etc. >There were lots of trees to cut down and use for building buildings, but, >there was not any good land for farming. So, I will guess that they had >a "do you want the good news or the bad news" type of thoughts when they >"walked?" to their new township. > >And, back in early New England (US) in 1600's, I've read the story of >"Anne Marbury HUTCHINSON," a religious activist, etc., in the early 1600's. >She came from a nice family in England, had a nice "white house" with a >"nice garden" in England. And, she had many children. But, they wanted >to come to "the new land." She sent her oldest son off with his uncle to >find a place to live and start building a house. When she arrived with >her children, and finally saw the "woods" and the "very rustic log cabin," >she sat down and cried. > >And I recently read the same type of story about another lady from the early >1600's, but I can't remember who it was at the moment. > >And I've read parts of the "history of Billerica" and the "history of >Chelmsford" (MA / US), both founded in 1655. When the people who first >arrived in Cambridge, MA, in the 1630's decided they wanted to own a bigger >piece of land, they needed to go explore the land northwest of them. BUT >there were no roadways, not even any "cow paths." All there was in the >"deep, dark woods," were the "foot paths" created by the Native Americans. >So, they had to walk on foot up those "foot paths" to find out where the >Native Americans spent their time. > >They first found the small Shawsheen River (present name) and built some >huts there. Then they went a few miles north of there and found the >larger Concord River. They started building huts on the shores of that >river, and the large "Billerica Plantation" was begun. Around the same >time, a few "canoes" were built so the early settlers could get across the >river. And, more huts were built there, and the large "Chelmsford >Plantation" was begun. > >One difference between the 2 plantations was that the "deep dark woods" in >Billerica had land which was full of rocks and - not good for farming. >But, the "deep woods" in Chelmsford was also bordered by the much larger >Merrimack River, and that land was good for farming. So the settlers had >it easier in Chelmsford. > >But, a quick story is that: All 1600's people had to go to Cambridge to >handle "court issues" and "land issues," etc. And, Billerica residents >very early built some "cow paths" going towards Cambridge. But, >Chelmsford residents had to "cross a river" in order to get to Cambridge. >I think it was after 1700 when the first bridge was built over the Concord >River. And the Billerica people decided it was a good way for them to >"earn some money." So they charged the Chelmsford people a "fee" for - >crossing over "their" bridge. > >Later the Chelmsford people didn't want to pay the fee anymore. Well the >Billerica people got angry. So, one night a few men went out in the middle >of the night and -- dismantled -- the bridge. >:o) > >If anyone in Canada wants to read a good book about the very early history >of Massachusetts, the "history of Billerica" is a very good resource. And >it has a good Genealogy section. (I believe it went on-line this year.) > >Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > >List Administrator > > > > > >(FYI: Anne HUTCHINSON's husband was not related to my HUTCHINSON >ancestor. Or, if they were related, it was back in the 1500's. I only >have George HUTCHINSON arriving in the 1630's, and I think Anne arrived in >the 1620's. I'll have to check on that.) > >Oops. I just read here that she arrived in 1634. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hutchinson > >And, I just checked my notes and George and his brother, Thomas, arrived in >1630 with "the Winthrop Fleet." From my research, I believe there were >at least a dozen HUTCHINSON men or families that arrived in the MA Bay >Colony between 1620 and 1640. > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to > !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > >To search the archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >The information page is: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You were lucky Betty at least up to a point! thanks for your question - I just googled County Clare Heritage Center and found that one does exist online... I will contact them and if I have any luck I will let you know! here is the one for Sligo - http://www.sligoroots.com/ . It follows the same address plan as for the Clare one so maybe each county's is www.____roots . com??? good luck all... faye ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > I was lucky in regards to my paternal grandfather's family-tree, or I should > say in regards to his father's ancestors. Someone in Canada had already > done the research and created a wonderful web site. And, I found 2 dozen > other people researching the "family group" which arrived in the Prov. of > Quebec in the 1820's. The 4 couples and one single lady all seemed to be > KERR's and HENDERSON's. > > But, none of us can find out who the parents were of these 9 people. They > were all born in the 1785 to 1805 timeframe in County Sligo. The > HENDERSON's were reportedly born in Sligo Town, and the KERR's we're not > sure of. They might have been in the northern part of the county, but it's > just a guess. > > A couple years ago I found out that there was a Sligo Heritage Centre where > you could pay a fee for them to do some research for you. 3 other > descendants in Canada joined me in jointly paying the ~$75 fee. After 2 > months I wrote again and asked why we didn't have a response. I complained > again. Finally they sent me a long letter - offering NO information; > they couldn't find my ancestors in their records. > > I had belonged to the Lists for Ireland, and I mentioned this on the Lists. > Several people responded to say they had a similar experience. I guess > several people in County Sligo visited the place and complained, and they > reportedly were slightly improved. But, I never bothered to write again. > I wanted to ask for a refund of our money, but didn't take the time. > > Coming up to this year, a few months ago I found out that there were > "professional genealogists" in Ireland who could be hired for a fee. I > found 2 names on-line. The man responded immediately. After reading my > story, he said that it would be "nearly impossible" for me to find out the > names of the parents in the late 1700's. He e-mailed me a few times and > offered suggestions of what else I could do. The lady who responded said > that she would be glad to find my ancestors for me; it would not be a > problem; and it would only cost me $1500.00. :o( (When I wrote > back to say, "No, thank you," she said that other researchers would charge > much more than that.) > > .. I'm not sure, but I think there are now "Heritage Centres" in every > county in Ireland. And, I wondered whether everyone knew this and whether > anyone has wrote to them and received answers. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrators > > > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there any database which list who came up to Canada instead of fighting the British during the American Revolution. I know my Mallory and Beardslee did, but wondered if any of my other line did.

I would invite John E. Stephenson, my ggggrandfather to dinner. I would love to know why he and his wife, Amelia J. Ross and he moved back and forth from Maine to N.B. several times and why  he lived the last 8 years of his life in Boston away from his wife and some of his children. Pat Davis --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Faye <[email protected]> wrote: From: Faye <[email protected]> Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Which Ancestor Would You Invite to Dinner ? To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:54 AM Hi all - To those of you North of the border I hope your Thanksgiving was wonderful.. that your weather was as beautiful as it was here Monday.. and that all of you and your families are well.. to those of us South of the border same wishes for our day to come.. If I could I would invite my Dad's Uncle Clayton Morrissey as he is one family member of whom I heard wonderful stories from his fishing days When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, Nancy brought up a good topic for discussion. In regards to my ancestors who arrived in Canada, my KERR / HENDERSON's I just mentioned arrived in Canada in the 1820's. They were supposed to go to a town on the southern shore of the St. Lawrence, but that didn't work out. So, they were sent to live in "the former Township of Gore" on the northern shore of the St. Lawrence. I've read that Argenteuil County was part of a beautiful mountain range, and it would have been a very nice place to settle down, build houses, etc. There were lots of trees to cut down and use for building buildings, but, there was not any good land for farming. So, I will guess that they had a "do you want the good news or the bad news" type of thoughts when they "walked?" to their new township. And, back in early New England (US) in 1600's, I've read the story of "Anne Marbury HUTCHINSON," a religious activist, etc., in the early 1600's. She came from a nice family in England, had a nice "white house" with a "nice garden" in England. And, she had many children. But, they wanted to come to "the new land." She sent her oldest son off with his uncle to find a place to live and start building a house. When she arrived with her children, and finally saw the "woods" and the "very rustic log cabin," she sat down and cried. And I recently read the same type of story about another lady from the early 1600's, but I can't remember who it was at the moment. And I've read parts of the "history of Billerica" and the "history of Chelmsford" (MA / US), both founded in 1655. When the people who first arrived in Cambridge, MA, in the 1630's decided they wanted to own a bigger piece of land, they needed to go explore the land northwest of them. BUT there were no roadways, not even any "cow paths." All there was in the "deep, dark woods," were the "foot paths" created by the Native Americans. So, they had to walk on foot up those "foot paths" to find out where the Native Americans spent their time. They first found the small Shawsheen River (present name) and built some huts there. Then they went a few miles north of there and found the larger Concord River. They started building huts on the shores of that river, and the large "Billerica Plantation" was begun. Around the same time, a few "canoes" were built so the early settlers could get across the river. And, more huts were built there, and the large "Chelmsford Plantation" was begun. One difference between the 2 plantations was that the "deep dark woods" in Billerica had land which was full of rocks and - not good for farming. But, the "deep woods" in Chelmsford was also bordered by the much larger Merrimack River, and that land was good for farming. So the settlers had it easier in Chelmsford. But, a quick story is that: All 1600's people had to go to Cambridge to handle "court issues" and "land issues," etc. And, Billerica residents very early built some "cow paths" going towards Cambridge. But, Chelmsford residents had to "cross a river" in order to get to Cambridge. I think it was after 1700 when the first bridge was built over the Concord River. And the Billerica people decided it was a good way for them to "earn some money." So they charged the Chelmsford people a "fee" for - crossing over "their" bridge. Later the Chelmsford people didn't want to pay the fee anymore. Well the Billerica people got angry. So, one night a few men went out in the middle of the night and -- dismantled -- the bridge. :o) If anyone in Canada wants to read a good book about the very early history of Massachusetts, the "history of Billerica" is a very good resource. And it has a good Genealogy section. (I believe it went on-line this year.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (FYI: Anne HUTCHINSON's husband was not related to my HUTCHINSON ancestor. Or, if they were related, it was back in the 1500's. I only have George HUTCHINSON arriving in the 1630's, and I think Anne arrived in the 1620's. I'll have to check on that.) Oops. I just read here that she arrived in 1634. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hutchinson And, I just checked my notes and George and his brother, Thomas, arrived in 1630 with "the Winthrop Fleet." From my research, I believe there were at least a dozen HUTCHINSON men or families that arrived in the MA Bay Colony between 1620 and 1640.

Hello, I was lucky in regards to my paternal grandfather's family-tree, or I should say in regards to his father's ancestors. Someone in Canada had already done the research and created a wonderful web site. And, I found 2 dozen other people researching the "family group" which arrived in the Prov. of Quebec in the 1820's. The 4 couples and one single lady all seemed to be KERR's and HENDERSON's. But, none of us can find out who the parents were of these 9 people. They were all born in the 1785 to 1805 timeframe in County Sligo. The HENDERSON's were reportedly born in Sligo Town, and the KERR's we're not sure of. They might have been in the northern part of the county, but it's just a guess. A couple years ago I found out that there was a Sligo Heritage Centre where you could pay a fee for them to do some research for you. 3 other descendants in Canada joined me in jointly paying the ~$75 fee. After 2 months I wrote again and asked why we didn't have a response. I complained again. Finally they sent me a long letter - offering NO information; they couldn't find my ancestors in their records. I had belonged to the Lists for Ireland, and I mentioned this on the Lists. Several people responded to say they had a similar experience. I guess several people in County Sligo visited the place and complained, and they reportedly were slightly improved. But, I never bothered to write again. I wanted to ask for a refund of our money, but didn't take the time. Coming up to this year, a few months ago I found out that there were "professional genealogists" in Ireland who could be hired for a fee. I found 2 names on-line. The man responded immediately. After reading my story, he said that it would be "nearly impossible" for me to find out the names of the parents in the late 1700's. He e-mailed me a few times and offered suggestions of what else I could do. The lady who responded said that she would be glad to find my ancestors for me; it would not be a problem; and it would only cost me $1500.00. :o( (When I wrote back to say, "No, thank you," she said that other researchers would charge much more than that.) .. I'm not sure, but I think there are now "Heritage Centres" in every county in Ireland. And, I wondered whether everyone knew this and whether anyone has wrote to them and received answers. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrators

Hi Betty I have Irish ancestors, but have no idea where in Ireland they came from. It was late 1700's or early 1800's. My great great grandfather's death certificate only says Ireland. Who was born in 1889? What month? My father was born in May 1889. He told me about the molasses flood in Boston. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: [SPAM?] [CAN-USA-MIG] Which Ancestor Would You Invite to Dinner ? > Hi again, > > Speaking of Thanksgiving, some List Administrators bring up a subject > around this time: "Which ancestor would you invite to your Thanksgiving > dinner - if you could ? > > Since Thanksgiving in the US is about a month away, we have lots of time > to > think about who we would invite. > > Immediately I would invite all my "brick wall" and "concrete block wall" > ancestors, most of whom are involved with my maternal grandmother's > "long, > complicated story." I want to find out who her birth-mother was in > 1889, > and that would be the first thing I would bring up for discussion. > > Another "concrete block wall" involves families in late 1700's Ireland. > And, I'll guess a great many people have ancestors from that time in > Ireland > they can't trace. > > That's all I'll mention for now. > > Have a pleasant week ! > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > > > > P.S. I would also invite Evan CORKILL who lived during the 1800's on > the Isle of Man and England. I would very much like to find out if he > remained in contact with his 6 children who were "shipped to Canada" > between > 1873 -1875. Or, did he just continue being a "Master Mariner" - > traveling > around the world - until his retirement years - forgetting that he was a > father ? (And I want to know if he knew that he had over ~30 > grandchildren in Canada and the U.S.) > > > > > > > Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your > surnames > and place-names. > And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames > and > place-names. > > > > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1718 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 > 7:07 AM > >

I would be selfish and insist on a "Family Reunion Dinner". Every time I choice one, another would pop up. 99% of them were so neat but I would even want to meet my great grandfather who was not very nice because he did have something to do with who I am today. I didn't know my father until I was 30 so his line would be wonderful and my mothers parents never ever talked about their parents. So when starting genealogy 32 years ago it was all wonderful and interesting and every little bit of information I find is exciting. So it would have to be a "Family Reunion Dinner" to make up for missing so many people. Sandy

Hi again, I'd like to continue with this story. I think I would invite the 2 RICE sisters, first, because I'd like to hear lots of stories about their growing up on the very large HUTCHINSON farm in Winchester, MA. (2 farmhouses across the street from each other) But, a few days later, I would invite their parents. There are too many things I don't know about Mrs. Adelaide RICE and her estranged husband, Charles RICE. I'll summarize what I know about them. Adelaide was born on the HUTCHINSON farm in 1851, and she had an older brother, George, and a sister (?). The sister died as a teen. George and Adelaide seem to have remained close. When their parents died in 1890's, they sold that farm out of the family. By that time the HUTCHINSON's who had remained in Winchester became "land rich and money poor." * Charles Wellington RICE was born in Lubec, Maine, in 1850 and was the youngest of 10 children. When he was ~20 he seems to have come down to Winchester, MA, to find work. He possibly became a laborer on the HUTCHINSON Farm, and probably that's how he met Adelaide. They married in 1875 and then had the 2 daughters. But the 1880 census shows the 2 very young daughters living on the Farm with their grandparents. I recently found out that Adelaide was in a State Hospital, and Charles moved out of the home. It took me many years to find out what happened to Charles in 1880. At some point he became a live-in Gardener in a mansion in a city south of Boston. It seems he remained in close tough with one of his sisters who had also moved down to MA (McNEAR), and she and her children helped him when he was diagnosed with cancer. He died in 1916. When I was Age 2 to 9 and lived with "Grandma KIDDER" on the Farm in Winchester, there was never any talk about "Grandpa KIDDER." I had to find out about him by myself. And I don't remember hearing anything about Grandma's father. So, I don't know if she and her sister had a relationship with their father from 1880 to 1916. So, I would invite Charles and Adelaide to dinner to find out how they met and why they "separated." And I'd like to know if Charles remained in contact with his children. I hear that Adelaide was not an easy person to live with, and I wonder whether she contributed to her daughter's unhappy marriage. By the way, Adelaide's older brother, George HUTCHINSON, was divorced from his first wife, and might have been divorced from his 2nd wife. He only had one child, Carleton. Carleton married and had 2 children, but divorced the first wife and then remarried. The first wife moved to Cambridge, MA, with her 2 children. The 2 children were still alive when I was growing up, and I don't remember hearing anything about them. The son, Leslie, became a doctor and lived in the next town, and I didn't find out about him until about a year ago. (His sister never married.) He only had one child, and Robert HUTCHINSON never married and then was killed in a car accident. So that was the end of the HUTCHINSON males from Winchester. (I haven't found any descendants of an uncle, John HUTCHINSON, who moved to Brooklyn, NY, in ~1860.) Anyways, I'd like to hear "the truth" and the "rumors" about Charles and Adelaide RICE from 1875 to ~1920, and would like to know if they remained in contact with each other after they "separated." (Neither remarried.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator * As far as I know, John HUTCHINSON and his 2 married sisters who "left the farm" and "moved to the city" - Brooklyn, NY, became successful business people. I know the 3 couples remained there and raised their children there, and might have died there. But, I don't know if they helped out their not-so-successful siblings back in Winchester, MA. (Adelaide's 2 cousins, siblings, Thomas and Mary HUTCHINSON, living across the street on the 2nd Farm - never married. So, of the 2 families who remained living on the large farm in Winchester, there was either "divorced" or "never married." And, I've been curious - why ! )

I would invite those who first thought about coming to this country - and ask them why they came, and what they thought about after they got here.

Hello, After reading the postings this morning, I was reminded of my great-grandmother and her sister. I would invite my gr-grandmother, Mrs. Louise Wellington (RICE) KIDDER (1876-1958) and her sister, Miss Edith Crosby RICE (1878-1943) (never married). Of the 2 sisters (only children of Charles and Adelaide (HUTCHINSON) RICE), I'm told that Edith was the pretty one and Louise was the plain one. And, Louise probably didn't pursue education but Edith did and became a Children's Librarian. I'm told that Louise had a good sense of humor and loved to travel. I don't know about Edith's personality. Louise and Edith were probably visiting their father's extended RICE family in Lubec, Maine, when they met George "Sanford" KIDDER, who was then living in the next town, Eastport, Maine. Sanford and "Lou" were married in his home-town of Princeton, Maine (west of Calais) in 1898. But, they came down to Louise's home-town of Winchester, MA, to live. They had a daughter, who became my grandmother, and then 2 sons. * But, when the kids were school-age, Sanford decided he wanted to spend more time in Maine and then moved back up there ~1915. In ~1938, his adult daughter and son had to drive up there and "take" their father to the Bangor State Hospital. He died there in 1943. (Would like to know hs version of the "separation.") Edith might have gone to high school, and I don't know whether she would have needed some college education during the 1890's in order to become a Librarian. I've read that she was a popular lady in the next town, Arlington, MA, where she was a Librarian. She was liked so much that a lady friend of hers who had moved out of state, "left" a large collection of important children's books to the University of Maine, and it was named, "the Edith C. RICE Collection." Edith lived with her (divorced?) mother in Arlington until Adelaide's death in 1928. Then Edith suffered a serious "bone disease" and became bedridden during her last few years of life, dying in 1943. Adelaide and her daughter, Edith, became active in church and in the Arlington Historical Society. And, Edith wrote a few articles for the Society, mostly about the long-standing "HUTCHINSON Farm" in Winchester. Louise and Edith (and cousins) inherited one of the 2, adjoining HUTCHINSON Farms during the 1930's. Louise, as a "separated" woman, had been the live-in caretaker of her mother's cousins, siblings, Thomas and Mary HUTCHINSON. We were told growing up that that was the reason that our "Grandma KIDDER" had inherited the farm. But, I recently went to the Registry of Deeds and found out that several, related HUTCHINSON's inherited the farm in the 1930's. The 2nd Farm across the street was sold out of the family ~1900. I'll continue with another part of this story in another posting. But, I'll say that my parents moved into the HUTCHINSON farmhouse in ~1946 when my father got out of the military. So, I lived with my father's grandmother until I was 9 years old, and knew her until I was a young teen. ** But Edith died shortly before I was born. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator * Clarissa was named after both of her grandmothers. "Sanford, Jr." was an unruly teen and didn't spend much time at home, possibly living in NH for a while. But, he spent his last 10-20 years in California. Clinton was hit by a truck while standing in a street in Winchester, and lost one leg as a result. So, he was "disabled" for most of his life. And, Clarissa had a sledding accident as a young teen in Winchester and lost partial sight - because her mother couldn't afford to call a doctor. So, their mother was a "single parent" from ~1910-~1920, and all 3 children did not do so well because of it. Additionally, Clarissa was probably pregnant when she and her boyfriend "eloped" to Vermont when she was 17. She had 2 stillborns and then had a daughter. This was a bad marriage and they divorced in 1935. In 1936 both she and her estranged husband had remarried and Clarissa was pregnant, again, before marriage. ** My gr-grandmother, Louise, had Psoriasis, and she died in 1958 never knowing what her terrible skin disease was. I found out I had it when I was 50, and I tell people that .. My gr-grandmother left me something in her will.