Ottawa is in Carleton County, Province of Ontario, and is the Capitol City of Canada. Hull is in the County of Gatineau, Province of Quebec. Hull is a small city, that is located on the north-west side of the Ottawa River, and the city of Ottawa is located on the south-east side of that river. They are connected by a bridge. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATEDBACK&FORTH:Nazaire Mercier > Thank you! Now, what county is Ottawa in? We have found a marriage that > referenced the birth place as Ottawa, Canada, and I've found a Wikipedia > reference to Hull that places it either very close or in what is now > Ottawa. > > To reach a message board, I have to know the county. >

oooooh, .com? On line, when you search for it, it's listed as .org! Aha. Now we know what's up! Thanks for the help. I'll pass this on. myra Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: http://www.raogk.com/ I just went to the above site for the RAOGK, and everything seems to be in order. Maybe it was down for maintenance or something but it seems fine now. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK &FORTH:Nazaire Mercier | Yep, but are you aware that RAOGK is not working these days? Dunno why, and don't know who to ask. But it's off line. BUT, Huron Shores Gen Society does also do things for a small price. Their web site is: http://www.usgwarchives.net/mi/iosco/3501hsgs.htm When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Myra, In Canada, provinces are the same as states in America. Provinces are divided into counties. Counties in Ontario and Quebec are divided into townships and/or municipalities. Some of the other provinces divide their counties into parishes, (eg; New Brunswick). So, if you see a reference in Canada, to township/municipality/parish, they equate to township in the U.S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK&FORTH:Nazaire Mercier >I have a family member that lives in Alpena, and will beg her to go to >Oscoda and see what tromping the grounds does. The library on the old base >there has volunteers from Huron Shores there, who do great work. I kind of >do the on line work (better at it) and she does the footwork. But, finding >stuff in Canada is a little harder. I'm in Utah, so too far away to do >much. And she's like me, not sure which Hull to look at. We thought that >trying the message boards on rootsweb would be a good way to start, so >planned on that. However, determining the province is just a start. Then >you have to find the next step, which is where I'm stuck. I don't know >what you call the equivalent of American townships within counties. To me, >provinces are counties (although huge!) But the Canadian version of >townships is where I'm stuck right now.

Actually, the information about Ottawa doesn't confuse me. It makes sense. Our Washington, D. C. is not IN any state, but is a separate District, called Columbia. That's what the D.C. is for: District of Columbia. They have their own inner laws, so as to take care of the citizens who actually live there. But once you get out of the DC area, then you are in either Virginia or Maryland. They even have their own license plates for vehicles, although I've never seen one. My grandson and I, in Utah, decided to make a list of all the states, including DC, and try to check off the ones we would see here in little Layton, Utah. Amazingly enough, we saw all 50 states in about 6 months! The last one escaped us for a long time, Rhode Island, but one day, we were stuck in traffic, and there it was in front of us! We have given up on ever seeing a DC plate. I didn't think we'd ever see Hawaii, but there was one in a parking lot across from the little subdivision where we live. Our having an Air Force base here helped a lot, I'm sure. Thanks for all the help. With all the genealogy I've been doing, I have found that my ancestors may well have come from Europe, but almost all of them, at one time or another, were in Canada. And since I lived in Michigan for many, many years, and felt as though the border was more of a courtesy (as it was for so many years!), I feel as though Canada is much more than a neighbor. It's our other half. I have ancestors on both the Loyalist and Patriot sides, and one of my Loyalists was hung for his efforts. The rest of the Meddaughs went to Canada to survive, and from there, ended up in Michigan, at least some of them! And my German ancestors farmed in Cayuga for a while, then went to both Michigan and New York. I truly miss being able to see Canadian TV and listen to Canadian radio. We were close enough to get both in Alpena, Michigan. I know that most of my friends there think of Canada as their cousin country. Hopefully, those feelings are shared. Thanks again for your assistance, and education! Now, for the searching!!! myra herron Gordon Booth <[email protected]> wrote: As the capital of Canada Ottawa is similar to Washington DC. For more information about the workings of the city see the following website A more general description may be found at References to Gatineau in this Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia piece are the same as references to HULL. Gatineau is the name of the amalgamated cities of Aylmer, Hull, Gatineau, Buckingham and Masson-Angers. There is a link to this historical fact in the Wikipedia article. To further confuse you and to add precision to your question about the county in which Ottawa is located consult the Wikipedia article at which states that "The Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton was a regional government area and census division in Ontario, Canada which existed from 1969 until 2001. It was created in 1969 from the former Carleton County plus Cumberland Township, previously part of Russell County." Gordon in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Myra Herron Sent: October 19, 2008 10:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATEDBACK&FORTH:Nazaire Mercier Thank you! Now, what county is Ottawa in? We have found a marriage that referenced the birth place as Ottawa, Canada, and I've found a Wikipedia reference to Hull that places it either very close or in what is now Ottawa. To reach a message board, I have to know the county. myra Richard Murray wrote: Myra, In Canada, provinces are the same as states in America. Provinces are divided into counties. Counties in Ontario and Quebec are divided into townships and/or municipalities. Some of the other provinces divide their counties into parishes, (eg; New Brunswick). So, if you see a reference in Canada, to township/municipality/parish, they equate to township in the U.S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK&FORTH:Nazaire Mercier >I have a family member that lives in Alpena, and will beg her to go to >Oscoda and see what tromping the grounds does. The library on the old base >there has volunteers from Huron Shores there, who do great work. I kind of >do the on line work (better at it) and she does the footwork. But, finding >stuff in Canada is a little harder. I'm in Utah, so too far away to do >much. And she's like me, not sure which Hull to look at. We thought that >trying the message boards on rootsweb would be a good way to start, so >planned on that. However, determining the province is just a start. Then >you have to find the next step, which is where I'm stuck. I don't know >what you call the equivalent of American townships within counties. To me, >provinces are counties (although huge!) But the Canadian version of >townships is where I'm stuck right now. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. 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Thank you! Now, what county is Ottawa in? We have found a marriage that referenced the birth place as Ottawa, Canada, and I've found a Wikipedia reference to Hull that places it either very close or in what is now Ottawa. To reach a message board, I have to know the county. myra Richard Murray <[email protected]> wrote: Myra, In Canada, provinces are the same as states in America. Provinces are divided into counties. Counties in Ontario and Quebec are divided into townships and/or municipalities. Some of the other provinces divide their counties into parishes, (eg; New Brunswick). So, if you see a reference in Canada, to township/municipality/parish, they equate to township in the U.S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK&FORTH:Nazaire Mercier >I have a family member that lives in Alpena, and will beg her to go to >Oscoda and see what tromping the grounds does. The library on the old base >there has volunteers from Huron Shores there, who do great work. I kind of >do the on line work (better at it) and she does the footwork. But, finding >stuff in Canada is a little harder. I'm in Utah, so too far away to do >much. And she's like me, not sure which Hull to look at. We thought that >trying the message boards on rootsweb would be a good way to start, so >planned on that. However, determining the province is just a start. Then >you have to find the next step, which is where I'm stuck. I don't know >what you call the equivalent of American townships within counties. To me, >provinces are counties (although huge!) But the Canadian version of >townships is where I'm stuck right now. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

also gives one the opportunity of adding others while they are building it.....just am not a time liner...:)) http://canadagenweb.org/timeline.html

Hi again, Myra. On the marriage record of a James and Sarah's dau Jennie May BROWN claims to have been born in Ottawa, Canada in 1890. This may give you a clue. Hope this helps! Donna Groom name: Robert Lee Patten Groom race or color (on document): Groom age: 21 years Groom birth year: 1887 Groom birth place: Michigan Bride name: Jennie May Brown Bride race or color (on document): Bride age: 18 years Bride birth year: 1890 Bride birth place: Ottawa, Ca. Marriage date: 11 Nov 1908 Marriage place: Onaway, Presque Isle, Michigan Father of groom name: Wm. Carlile Patten Mother of groom name: Florence Perkins Father of bride name: James Brown Mother of bride name: Sarah Mclean Film number: 2342682 Frame number: Digital GS number: 4209121 Image number: 463 Reference number: item 4 p 263 rn 82 Collection: Michigan Marriages 1868-1925

Hi Myra. Do you already have James & Sarah's marriage record from familysearchlabs? Looks like they married on 05 Sep 1882 in Harrisville, Alcona, Michigan. I also have BROWN family from the Iosco area during this time period, but I don't find any matches as of yet. Mine were also from some secret place in Canada, but then by 1850 moved to Orleans, Jefferson County, New York, then on to Port Austin, Huron County, Michigan. Some of their kids skipped Huron County and went straight to Iosco County. I have only begun to research this family, so we may find a connection some day, who knows... My Iosco County family members are mentioned in this article: "Wallace, John, and George Brown, of this place, and Mrs. Legacy, of East Tawas, left Monday for Port Austin, on receipt of a telegram announcing the serious illness of their father". Source: the Tawas Herald, April 14, 1893, Tawas, Iosco County, Michigan. [Their parents were David BROWN b 1811 & Nancy PETERSON. Mrs. LEGACY was Helen nee BROWN, w/o Wm LEGACY.] This is not a direct line for me. I am related to David BROWN's sister, Mary Ann BROWN b 1813. They were both born in Nova Scotia [or New Brunswick depending on the census info]. I am looking for other siblings as that might help me find more clues. Anyways, BROWN is such a common name, but please tuck my info away just in case you find more info. If nothing else, it may help rule out any connection. Donna in Michigan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Myra Herron Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH: John& Sarah Brown & family I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 children in Canada. What I DO have: James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull

Well, that makes it more difficult then, doesn't it? Didn't know that RAOGK is down. I got so many requests when I was a volunteer that I had to quit, so now I take requests from Find-a-Grave. That keeps me plenty busy now! Way too bad about the fires. Sure complicates things. Have you checked with the state just in case yours are available there? When I contacted another state for my father's birth certificate, knowing that the courthouse records had all been destroyed in a fire and that they, too, had not been registered with the state, I found that they had an alternate birth certificate available, which I did get. It listed all the information that I needed, so - just possibly - other states do that, too. Alternatively, sometimes baptismal records, other church records, and school records are available. Couldn't hurt to check. Perhaps the County Clerk would have some suggestions for you. Again, happy hunting. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK &FORTH:Nazaire Mercier > Yep, but are you aware that RAOGK is not working these days? Dunno why, > and don't know who to ask. But it's off line. BUT, Huron Shores Gen > Society does also do things for a small price. Their web site is: > http://www.usgwarchives.net/mi/iosco/3501hsgs.htm > > However, remember, fires destroyed many records in that area, during that > era. And many of them were never registered with the state. > > myra > > Nancy Keith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Harriet and Myra - and everybody else > > It is (relatively) easy to get a birth certificate from Michigan, provided > 100 years have passed since the birth and you have the basic information: > > Name > Date of birth > Place (at least the county) of birth > (Parents' names would help, but are not absolutely essential) > > As long as the birth was more than 100 years ago, it shouldn't be a > problem. > Those records are available on film at the Library of Michigan plus from > each county courthouse. They also are available from the State of > Michigan, > but that tends to be quite a bit more expensive. > > You already know that Au Sable is in Iosco County. I Googled Iosco County > Michigan and came up with loads of information, including: > > Nancy J. Huebel > Iosco County Clerk > [email protected] > > Office Hours and Court Services: > Monday-Friday: 9:00 am-5:00 pm > Saturday and Sunday: Closed > > 422 W. Lake Street, P.O. Box 838 > Tawas City, MI 48764-0838 > > Phone: (989) 362-3497 > Fax: (989) 984-1012 > > > This office should be able to help you. > > Additionally, there is always RAOGK - Random Acts of Genealogical > Kindness. > > http://www.raogk.org/ > > You might be able to find a volunteer to do your legwork for you in Iosco > County or at the Library of Michigan. > > Happy hunting. > > Nancy

Harriet and Myra - and everybody else It is (relatively) easy to get a birth certificate from Michigan, provided 100 years have passed since the birth and you have the basic information: Name Date of birth Place (at least the county) of birth (Parents' names would help, but are not absolutely essential) As long as the birth was more than 100 years ago, it shouldn't be a problem. Those records are available on film at the Library of Michigan plus from each county courthouse. They also are available from the State of Michigan, but that tends to be quite a bit more expensive. You already know that Au Sable is in Iosco County. I Googled Iosco County Michigan and came up with loads of information, including: Nancy J. Huebel Iosco County Clerk [email protected] Office Hours and Court Services: Monday-Friday: 9:00 am-5:00 pm Saturday and Sunday: Closed 422 W. Lake Street, P.O. Box 838 Tawas City, MI 48764-0838 Phone: (989) 362-3497 Fax: (989) 984-1012 This office should be able to help you. Additionally, there is always RAOGK - Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. http://www.raogk.org/ You might be able to find a volunteer to do your legwork for you in Iosco County or at the Library of Michigan. Happy hunting. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harriet Cady" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH:Nazaire Mercier > Hi Myra, > I also have great grandparents who moved to Rcohester, NH from Canada then > to AuSable, Michigan in 1887 or there abouts and had a son while there. > They already had a son Aselem but then they are back in NH at Rochester > then they moved to Peterborough and then back in Rochester then back to > Peterborough where my great grandmother, Georgianna Couture Mercier died > in childbirth at age 40. > I have tried unsucessfully to get their Michigan sons birth certificate > for his daughter who is 96 going on 97 but to no avail. > Harriet > > > >> I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from >> AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most >> likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 >> children in Canada. >> >> What I DO have: >> >> James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after >> October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in >> Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd >> child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have >> Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull >> > > Myra > > The first problem you have is that Hull is in Quebec, not > Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from > Ottawa which is in Ontario. > > If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, > those birth registrations are available to the public. > Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. > > You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the > Archives of Canada in Ottawa. > > If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look > up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time > frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records > being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the > responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might > start your search there if your couple really did have > children in Hull (Quebec) > > See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either > Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find > out what is available. > > Good luck > Lorine

I have a family member that lives in Alpena, and will beg her to go to Oscoda and see what tromping the grounds does. The library on the old base there has volunteers from Huron Shores there, who do great work. I kind of do the on line work (better at it) and she does the footwork. But, finding stuff in Canada is a little harder. I'm in Utah, so too far away to do much. And she's like me, not sure which Hull to look at. We thought that trying the message boards on rootsweb would be a good way to start, so planned on that. However, determining the province is just a start. Then you have to find the next step, which is where I'm stuck. I don't know what you call the equivalent of American townships within counties. To me, provinces are counties (although huge!) But the Canadian version of townships is where I'm stuck right now. Unfortunately, there is no one left alive to ask the questions of. And those in the family that have passed down the verbal stories have embellished some of them to the point where we can only go with things we see on line, or on paper. Facts, as they existed back then, are what we're searching for. But there is a missing brother, who drowned in AuSable area, at about age 10. When? Well, we don't know when or where he was actually born. Yet. I'm hoping that, sooner or later, the death information will be found, and then we will have his name, age, etc. At this point, Grandma Mary Brown (Nana Mary, or Mary Brown from the 1900 census in the AuSable area, living with her grandfather Murdock MacLean, and newly married mom, Sarah Bradshaw, etc.) only visited her granddaughter in AuSable when SHE had a baby, and then took a side trip, without her granddaughter!!!! and visited the gravesite of her drowned brother in the old AuSable cemetery. We know where that is, and it's pretty much destroyed and grown over, and there are NO records left, from the fires. That was in the 1960's, and Nana Mary is gone, her daughter is gone, and her granddaughter is now doing the searching. We've been to the cemetery (when I was still there), been to the sexton's office of the nearest cemetery (they knew that the records were gone) and have searched a little there. Then I moved. So, it got stuck for a while. Now, we're back doing the work. Ah, if families had just been a little less strange, and a little more solid!!! I think that, since the local churches have been there for a very long time, I may have the granddaughter do some investigation there. It's a small community, and that may well help some. Thanks for all the suggestions. We just need to concentrate, and focus. myra Nancy Keith <[email protected]> wrote: Well, that makes it more difficult then, doesn't it? Didn't know that RAOGK is down. I got so many requests when I was a volunteer that I had to quit, so now I take requests from Find-a-Grave. That keeps me plenty busy now! Way too bad about the fires. Sure complicates things. Have you checked with the state just in case yours are available there? When I contacted another state for my father's birth certificate, knowing that the courthouse records had all been destroyed in a fire and that they, too, had not been registered with the state, I found that they had an alternate birth certificate available, which I did get. It listed all the information that I needed, so - just possibly - other states do that, too. Alternatively, sometimes baptismal records, other church records, and school records are available. Couldn't hurt to check. Perhaps the County Clerk would have some suggestions for you. Again, happy hunting. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK &FORTH:Nazaire Mercier > Yep, but are you aware that RAOGK is not working these days? Dunno why, > and don't know who to ask. But it's off line. BUT, Huron Shores Gen > Society does also do things for a small price. Their web site is: > http://www.usgwarchives.net/mi/iosco/3501hsgs.htm > > However, remember, fires destroyed many records in that area, during that > era. And many of them were never registered with the state. > > myra > > Nancy Keith wrote: > > Harriet and Myra - and everybody else > > It is (relatively) easy to get a birth certificate from Michigan, provided > 100 years have passed since the birth and you have the basic information: > > Name > Date of birth > Place (at least the county) of birth > (Parents' names would help, but are not absolutely essential) > > As long as the birth was more than 100 years ago, it shouldn't be a > problem. > Those records are available on film at the Library of Michigan plus from > each county courthouse. They also are available from the State of > Michigan, > but that tends to be quite a bit more expensive. > > You already know that Au Sable is in Iosco County. I Googled Iosco County > Michigan and came up with loads of information, including: > > Nancy J. Huebel > Iosco County Clerk > [email protected] > > Office Hours and Court Services: > Monday-Friday: 9:00 am-5:00 pm > Saturday and Sunday: Closed > > 422 W. Lake Street, P.O. Box 838 > Tawas City, MI 48764-0838 > > Phone: (989) 362-3497 > Fax: (989) 984-1012 > > > This office should be able to help you. > > Additionally, there is always RAOGK - Random Acts of Genealogical > Kindness. > > http://www.raogk.org/ > > You might be able to find a volunteer to do your legwork for you in Iosco > County or at the Library of Michigan. > > Happy hunting. > > Nancy When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Myra, Hull is in the Province of Quebec. It is located on the opposite side of the Ottawa River, from Ottawa, Ontario. Ottawa is Canada's capitol. Here are a couple of mail lists that might be of help to you, where Hull is located; [email protected] [email protected] Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH: John& Sarah Brown & family I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 children in Canada.

Judging by your google search, there must be 2 Hulls as Chelmsford is no where near what most people call Hull. Hull is located on the north side of the Ottawa River which is the boundary in that area between Ontario and Quebec. Hull is now part of what they call Gatineau. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Herron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH:John & Sarah Brown & family OK, I'm confused. I thought there were TWO Hulls in Canada, one in Ontario. I googled Hull, Ontario, and got this: Chelmsford Founded in 1868, Chelmsford started out as an outpost on the Canadian Pacific Railway. Some say Chelmsford was named by one the Canadian Pacific Railway engineers, that was from the U.K. As with many communities in Northern Ontario, logging and fur trapping were the first industries. Having depleted the lumber in the early 1900s, Chelmsford turned to mining and agriculture to support the town's economy. Errington Mine and Nickel Offset mine were two of the largest mines in Chelmsford and both closed in the 1930s. Today, Chelmsford has no major industries and is mostly a residential community. Although there are still some farms producing mostly potatoes, small fruits and corn, it is mostly supported by the mining activities in the nearby communities of Onaping Falls and Copper Cliff. Postal delivery and telephone service in Chelmsford also includes the smaller neighbourhoods of Boninville, Hull and Larchwood. You can see why I'm confused. I also found: The site of Ottawa was explored in 1613 by Samuel de Champlain, who named the Rideau River and the Chaudière Falls, but permanent settlement was not established until the 19th century. In 1800 the lumber centre of Wrightsville (or Wright's Town, later Hull) was founded on the northern side of the Ottawa River, but the southern shore was not settled until 1826, when Bytown evolved around the headquarters of the Rideau Canal project. The town developed alongside Hull as a timber and fur-trading centre, and was renamed Ottawa on its incorporation in 1855. As capital of the United Provinces of Canada in 1858, its territory comprised parts of Québec and Ontario. On confederation in 1867, it retained its position, becoming capital of the Dominion of Canada. After the coming of the railway in 1870, it grew rapidly as a distribution centre for lumber to the expanding towns of southern Canada. Pulp and paper industries were established later to process trees unsuitable for sawn timber, using hydroelectricity generated on the Ottawa River. So, it looks as though, for a while, at least, there were 2 Hulls? Or am I hallucinating? OR, are these the same place? myra herron Olive Tree Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: On 18 Oct 2008 at 14:06, Myra Herron wrote: > I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from > AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most > likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 > children in Canada. > > What I DO have: > > James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after > October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in > Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd > child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have > Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull > Myra The first problem you have is that Hull is in Quebec, not Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from Ottawa which is in Ontario. If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, those birth registrations are available to the public. Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the Archives of Canada in Ottawa. If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might start your search there if your couple really did have children in Hull (Quebec) See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find out what is available. Good luck Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected] MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. 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On 18 Oct 2008 at 14:06, Myra Herron wrote: > I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from > AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most > likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 > children in Canada. > > What I DO have: > > James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after > October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in > Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd > child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have > Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull > Myra The first problem you have is that Hull is in Quebec, not Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from Ottawa which is in Ontario. If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, those birth registrations are available to the public. Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the Archives of Canada in Ottawa. If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might start your search there if your couple really did have children in Hull (Quebec) See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find out what is available. Good luck Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Yep, but are you aware that RAOGK is not working these days? Dunno why, and don't know who to ask. But it's off line. BUT, Huron Shores Gen Society does also do things for a small price. Their web site is: http://www.usgwarchives.net/mi/iosco/3501hsgs.htm However, remember, fires destroyed many records in that area, during that era. And many of them were never registered with the state. myra Nancy Keith <[email protected]> wrote: Harriet and Myra - and everybody else It is (relatively) easy to get a birth certificate from Michigan, provided 100 years have passed since the birth and you have the basic information: Name Date of birth Place (at least the county) of birth (Parents' names would help, but are not absolutely essential) As long as the birth was more than 100 years ago, it shouldn't be a problem. Those records are available on film at the Library of Michigan plus from each county courthouse. They also are available from the State of Michigan, but that tends to be quite a bit more expensive. You already know that Au Sable is in Iosco County. I Googled Iosco County Michigan and came up with loads of information, including: Nancy J. Huebel Iosco County Clerk [email protected] Office Hours and Court Services: Monday-Friday: 9:00 am-5:00 pm Saturday and Sunday: Closed 422 W. Lake Street, P.O. Box 838 Tawas City, MI 48764-0838 Phone: (989) 362-3497 Fax: (989) 984-1012 This office should be able to help you. Additionally, there is always RAOGK - Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. http://www.raogk.org/ You might be able to find a volunteer to do your legwork for you in Iosco County or at the Library of Michigan. Happy hunting. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harriet Cady" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] HOW TO FIND ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED BACK & FORTH:Nazaire Mercier > Hi Myra, > I also have great grandparents who moved to Rcohester, NH from Canada then > to AuSable, Michigan in 1887 or there abouts and had a son while there. > They already had a son Aselem but then they are back in NH at Rochester > then they moved to Peterborough and then back in Rochester then back to > Peterborough where my great grandmother, Georgianna Couture Mercier died > in childbirth at age 40. > I have tried unsucessfully to get their Michigan sons birth certificate > for his daughter who is 96 going on 97 but to no avail. > Harriet > > > >> I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from >> AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most >> likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 >> children in Canada. >> >> What I DO have: >> >> James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after >> October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in >> Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd >> child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have >> Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull >> > > Myra > > The first problem you have is that Hull is in Quebec, not > Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from > Ottawa which is in Ontario. > > If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, > those birth registrations are available to the public. > Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. > > You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the > Archives of Canada in Ottawa. > > If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look > up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time > frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records > being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the > responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might > start your search there if your couple really did have > children in Hull (Quebec) > > See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either > Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find > out what is available. > > Good luck > Lorine When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

OK, I'm confused. I thought there were TWO Hulls in Canada, one in Ontario. I googled Hull, Ontario, and got this: Chelmsford Founded in 1868, Chelmsford started out as an outpost on the Canadian Pacific Railway. Some say Chelmsford was named by one the Canadian Pacific Railway engineers, that was from the U.K. As with many communities in Northern Ontario, logging and fur trapping were the first industries. Having depleted the lumber in the early 1900s, Chelmsford turned to mining and agriculture to support the town's economy. Errington Mine and Nickel Offset mine were two of the largest mines in Chelmsford and both closed in the 1930s. Today, Chelmsford has no major industries and is mostly a residential community. Although there are still some farms producing mostly potatoes, small fruits and corn, it is mostly supported by the mining activities in the nearby communities of Onaping Falls and Copper Cliff. Postal delivery and telephone service in Chelmsford also includes the smaller neighbourhoods of Boninville, Hull and Larchwood. You can see why I'm confused. I also found: The site of Ottawa was explored in 1613 by Samuel de Champlain, who named the Rideau River and the Chaudière Falls, but permanent settlement was not established until the 19th century. In 1800 the lumber centre of Wrightsville (or Wright's Town, later Hull) was founded on the northern side of the Ottawa River, but the southern shore was not settled until 1826, when Bytown evolved around the headquarters of the Rideau Canal project. The town developed alongside Hull as a timber and fur-trading centre, and was renamed Ottawa on its incorporation in 1855. As capital of the United Provinces of Canada in 1858, its territory comprised parts of Québec and Ontario. On confederation in 1867, it retained its position, becoming capital of the Dominion of Canada. After the coming of the railway in 1870, it grew rapidly as a distribution centre for lumber to the expanding towns of southern Canada. Pulp and paper industries were established later to process trees unsuitable for sawn timber, using hydroelectricity generated on the Ottawa River. So, it looks as though, for a while, at least, there were 2 Hulls? Or am I hallucinating? OR, are these the same place? myra herron Olive Tree Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: On 18 Oct 2008 at 14:06, Myra Herron wrote: > I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from > AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most > likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 > children in Canada. > > What I DO have: > > James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after > October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in > Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd > child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have > Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull > Myra The first problem you have is that Hull is in Quebec, not Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from Ottawa which is in Ontario. If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, those birth registrations are available to the public. Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the Archives of Canada in Ottawa. If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might start your search there if your couple really did have children in Hull (Quebec) See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find out what is available. Good luck Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected] MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Here is another site which might help with Land Grant research: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canon/research-topic-land.html Lauraine

Some information at this site including some land grant info: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaelynn/canada2.htm Archives Canada does have information on Western Cda Land Grants. Lauraine

Hi Myra, I also have great grandparents who moved to Rcohester, NH from Canada then to AuSable, Michigan in 1887 or there abouts and had a son while there.  They already had a son Aselem but then they are back in NH at Rochester then they moved to Peterborough and then back in Rochester then back to Peterborough where my great grandmother, Georgianna Couture Mercier died in childbirth at age 40. I have tried unsucessfully to get their Michigan sons birth certificate for his daughter who is 96 going on 97 but to no avail. Harriet > I have a conundrum.  There was a couple who moved from > AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most > likely in Ontario), and back again.  They had either 2 or 3 > children in Canada.  > >  What I DO have: > >  James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after >  October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in >  Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd >  child, Mary).  They stayed there long enough to also have >  Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull > Myra The first problem you have is  that Hull is in Quebec, not Ontario. it is across the river (and the border) from Ottawa which is in Ontario. If they had children born in Ontario in this time frame, those birth registrations are available to the public. Ancestry.com has indexed them all and has the images too. You can also get them at the Ontario Archives or the Archives of Canada in Ottawa.  If they had children born in Quebec, you will have to look up Quebec resources to see what is available in this time frame. I know that Vital records before 1900 (vital records being baptisms, marriages and burials) are the responsibility of the Quebec National Archives so you might start your search there if your couple really did have children in Hull (Quebec) See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ and choose either Ontario or Quebec to get links to online data and to find out what is available. Good luck Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected] When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a conundrum. There was a couple who moved from AuSable, Iosco county, Michigan, USA to Hull, Canada (most likely in Ontario), and back again. They had either 2 or 3 children in Canada. What I DO have: James & Sarah Brown, the parents who moved to Hull, after October 1882 (first child, Margaret, who was born in Michigan), and before September 1886 (birth of their 2nd child, Mary). They stayed there long enough to also have Jennie, born Mary 1890, in Hull They may well also have had a son, Harold (?), who was born to this couple at some time. This son died at about age 10 in Michigan (we believe) by trying to cross a river on the logs, and drowning there. We can't find where the son was born or where he died. There were many fires in the AuSable area, destroying the paper records more than once, and destroying most of the cemetery where he supposedly was buried. We are hoping that we could find some kind of records on the births in Canada to nail down where actually the family was for that short time, and to see if there is anything on the son. The census taken in Michigan in 1890 was burned up, so there is nothing there. The 1900 census already had Sarah divorced and remarried to a James Bradshaw, but that is where the 3 daughters are listed, with Brown as their last names, and the information that Sarah had had 4 children, 3 of them still living. I hope that someone can give me some directions in which to look for something on this family. We know that all the members of this family seemed to go with the flow, and were all over the map, popping up in the least likely places! This foray into Canada (reason unknown as to why they went there) is just one of those moves. There are plenty of family stories, but weeding out the 'enhanced' stories is just one of the problems. Any help out there? Myra Herron MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com