Do you have any approximate dates Chris?? Do you know what country they came from or on what ship?? "East Canada" is rather vague and where it was depends somewhat on the dates, but does suggest somewhere closer to the Quebec border (i.e. Upper Canada). Of the the two surnames, Job might be the easiest to research as there are a lot of Williams. Under the surname "Job" only 361 shown in Canada's Ancestral Search, but over 8,000 for surname Williams! Notice you live on Whitby Island! Lucky you. Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick in the cold Canadian Prairies - Manitoba > > From: "Chris" <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/12/01 Mon PM 09:28:32 CST > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Simple surnames > > Mine are John Job and John Williams of "East Canada" and Ireland and > England. > > chris lubinski > on beautiful Whidbey Island, WA > [email protected] > www.whoamulefarm.com

Was Caleb his father? Have you looked on www.familysearch.com? Priscilla Hello Lauraine, My quest is that I have been looking for John H. Parker, b. 1793 in Nova Scotia. At some point he came to Cayuga County, NY and was one of our early settlers...he was the forefather of statesmen, congressmen, lawyers and doctors, my grandfather being among them. John married Esther Ann Locke. He was a carriage maker here. I have a "nursing rocker" that he carved and a few other pieces, one was actually dated 1853. He died 1873. Thanks, Paulette No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM

Hi Paulette: Talk about a weird coincidence! My cousin who is also tracing the Sibley line that landed in Halifax aboard the Beauforte in 1749, just sent me an email with all sorts of sites for the Parker name. Most of these Parkers were in the U.S. I saved the email and still haven't had time to examine the sites carefully - she said it might take 6 hours to do them. Please contact me off-line and I will sent you a copy of the email from her. Contact me at [email protected] My G. Aunt Elizabeth Hird married a chap called William Parker, but no idea where he came from. They were early settlers in Saskatchewan but may have came from Chapman Township in Ontario, Canada as the Hird family spent some time in that area after leaving Scotland. You are so lucky to have some of your grandfather's carved works and must cherish them. I have a photo of an old chair that one of my ancestors made from driftwood picked up on the shores of Shetland. It is in the possession of a cousin living in Scalloway, Shetland. Lauraine > > From: Paulette Eframson <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/12/01 Mon PM 09:13:52 CST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] CAN-USA-FOODS - Saurkraut > > Hello Lauraine, > My quest is that I have been looking for John H. Parker, b. 1793 in Nova > Scotia. At some point he came to Cayuga County, NY and was one of our > early settlers...he was the forefather of statesmen, congressmen, > lawyers and doctors, my grandfather being among them. John married > Esther Ann Locke. He was a carriage maker here. I have a "nursing > rocker" that he carved and a few other pieces, one was actually dated > 1853. He died 1873. > Thanks, > Paulette > > Paulette > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. >

Hi Myra, Well, Mom always used a fresh head of cabbage. She then shaved the head so that we had shredded cabbage that wasn't to thick. She aways used Olive oil in a cast iron skillet, she added a chopped spanish onion and stalk of celery as the cabbage got "limp", then some kind of seed, that was bitter to me, and finished cooking the cabbage. When cook this I also top off with shredded swiss cheese and green and red peppers for color mostly. S&P to taste. enjoy. ~Linda~ Happy Holidays, to you and yours~

I have received a lot of letters about sauerkraut. Here is one of the recipes. Sounds good to me. We stopped in a restaurant in Wisconsin once, and the whole menu was German. We ate like pigs. We ate pigs too!. Patsy In a message dated 12/1/2008 10:00:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Fried sauerkraut could be German, but the Polish in my home town probably ate that too. I love sauerkraut, so looked it up, and here's a recipe that sounds heavenly: SAUERKRAUT German Fried Sauerkraut, Pan Sauteed In a large enough fry pan, lightly fry 1/2 cup sliced onions in 1/4 cup butter or bacon drippings. Open one No. 3 can sauerkraut (About 2-3/4 cups). Save the Juice. Wash and rinse the sauerkraut in a strainer, shake out water until sauerkraut is just dripping, add it to the pot with onions, cover the pot and cook the sauerkraut, adding; 1 cup water and more as it steams away 2 tablespoons brown sugar 1 teaspoon caraway seed Cook slowly for 20 minutes Add and stir in some of the saved sauerkraut juice to taste. Vinegar can also be used. Now, it's your turn. How do you cook fried cabbage? That also sounds tempting! myra herron Linda Mock <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Listers, On another USA list, came the subject of Fried Sauerkrut, and a few other dishes that the senior mind can't remember at this early hour of the day...But has anyone one on the list prepared this as a side dish for the holidays, and how is it done? Have to guess its a German item? My IRISH Mom made fried cabbage,We talked of Waldorf Salad with puddings> which is a fruit salad of the Fall..Now that I think harder on this subject, we had nothing, latin or mexican shared? There was a Shrimp/Sausage/Tomato soup that interested me, but no recipie cross the web in my direction. grr. ~Linda~ Happy Holidays, to you and yours~ When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!' When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Hi Paulette: Perhaps you could redirect the list back to genealogy by posting something you are searching for?? Food our ancestors ate is a part of genealogy in my mind and am sure many have favorite family recipes handed down in their family trees. Survival in N. America depended on their ability to shoot and grow sustenance for the family. Saurerkraut was one way of preserving cabbage for over the winter and supposedly it has vitamin C in it. We look forward to hearing what your genealogy quest is. Lauraine > > From: Paulette Eframson <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/12/01 Mon PM 05:38:34 CST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] CAN-USA-FOODS - Saurkraut > > Sounds yummy, but could we get back to genealogy now? > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mine are John Job and John Williams of "East Canada" and Ireland and England. chris lubinski on beautiful Whidbey Island, WA [email protected] www.whoamulefarm.com

Sounds yummy, but could we get back to genealogy now?

Saurkraut is essentially sour, fermented cabbage. My mom made it the same way my grandfather did and that was to thinly slice whole cabbages on a device designed just for that purpose. She made it in a huge crock - 75 gallons filled with the shredded cabbage and layered with rock salt. She had a wooden tool that looked like a big potatoe masher to pound the shredded cabbage to bring out juices that mixed with the salt to create brine. It was important to weight down the top layer of cabbage as it fermented in the crock so that air didn't get to the mixture. I'm guessing it would spoil if that happened. It's been nearly 60 years since I remember my mother and the saurkraut and don't recall how long before the mixture was ready but I remember it was greatly reduced in volumn by the time it was. She left the mixture stored in the crock in the basement until it was all gone. I like it to this day rinced and drained and sauted in butter in a heavy fry pan accompanied with browned country sausages.

I still make it using a recipe from the German area of Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. Quite often I put a few apples in which gives it a great flavor. Priscilla No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM

Fried sauerkraut could be German, but the Polish in my home town probably ate that too. I love sauerkraut, so looked it up, and here's a recipe that sounds heavenly: SAUERKRAUT German Fried Sauerkraut, Pan Sauteed In a large enough fry pan, lightly fry 1/2 cup sliced onions in 1/4 cup butter or bacon drippings. Open one No. 3 can sauerkraut (About 2-3/4 cups). Save the Juice. Wash and rinse the sauerkraut in a strainer, shake out water until sauerkraut is just dripping, add it to the pot with onions, cover the pot and cook the sauerkraut, adding; 1 cup water and more as it steams away 2 tablespoons brown sugar 1 teaspoon caraway seed Cook slowly for 20 minutes Add and stir in some of the saved sauerkraut juice to taste. Vinegar can also be used. Now, it's your turn. How do you cook fried cabbage? That also sounds tempting! myra herron Linda Mock <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Listers, On another USA list, came the subject of Fried Sauerkrut, and a few other dishes that the senior mind can't remember at this early hour of the day...But has anyone one on the list prepared this as a side dish for the holidays, and how is it done? Have to guess its a German item? My IRISH Mom made fried cabbage,We talked of Waldorf Salad with puddings> which is a fruit salad of the Fall..Now that I think harder on this subject, we had nothing, latin or mexican shared? There was a Shrimp/Sausage/Tomato soup that interested me, but no recipie cross the web in my direction. grr. ~Linda~ Happy Holidays, to you and yours~ When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." unknown 'Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!'

Hi Listers, On another USA list, came the subject of Fried Sauerkrut, and a few other dishes that the senior mind can't remember at this early hour of the day...But has anyone one on the list prepared this as a side dish for the holidays, and how is it done? Have to guess its a German item? My IRISH Mom made fried cabbage,We<list> talked of Waldorf Salad <made with puddings> which is a fruit salad of the Fall..Now that I think harder on this subject, we had nothing, latin or mexican shared? There was a Shrimp/Sausage/Tomato soup that interested me, but no recipie cross the web in my direction. grr. ~Linda~ Happy Holidays, to you and yours~

Hi Freda: Funny you should mention Scotch only coming in a bottle. The term "Scotch" to identify Scotsmen in N. America was widely used in both the U.S. & Canada. It is seen in many early books, census data, etc. It does seem to annoy anyone who still lives in Scotland to be called Scotch which is a malt whiskey. Again, education, accents and poor spelling must be kept in mind when reading old records or writings. Of course, being "Scotch" often meant being a penny pincher too. Wonder how often it was mispelled in Parishes in the UK? Lauraine > > From: "freda stewart" <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/11/24 Mon PM 10:02:58 CST > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > Hi Garth - your opinion please on the term 'Scotch Irish'. I've always > understood that this is only used in the U.S., that the rest of us term > ourselves Ulster Scots. Scotch still comes in a bottle. > Freda Stewart-Calgary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > > > Here is a link to Irish History segments on YouTube > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyg5aBMYYz0 > > > > regards > > Garth > > > > > > At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do > >>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two > >>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites > >>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to > >>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a > >>great deal of information also. > >> > >>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. > >> > >>regards > >>Garth > >> > >> > >>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged > >> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who > >> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible > >> >for much of the westward expansion... > >> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I > >> >believe, that told the story.. > >> >faye > >> > > >> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about > >> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and > >> > > early > >> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused > >> > > with > >> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato > >> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New > >> > > York > >> > > and Boston. > >> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became > >> > > known > >> > > as "Scotch Irish" > >> > > > >> > > MomEl > >> > > > >> > > [email protected] wrote: > >> > > > Faye: > >> > > > > >> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and > >> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots > >> > Irish" came about. > >> > > > > >> > > > Lauraine > >> > > > > >> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> > >> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST > >> > > >> To: [email protected] > >> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people > >> > lived in Ireland > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some > >> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have > >> > settled there? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> faye > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >>> Hello, > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from > >> > 1820's on were > >> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from > >> > Scotland. But they > >> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one > >> > of the books on > >> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state > >> > that they were > >> > > >>> "Irishmen." > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block > >> > wall." None of us > >> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left > >> > Sligo-Town and > >> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each > >> > year of research > >> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and > >> > HENDERSON families in > >> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, > >> > we have no way > >> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming > >> > patterns" don't > >> > > >>> help.) > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> List Administrator > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> FYI: > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" > >> > which is about the > >> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to > >> > celebrate their KERR > >> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to > >> > > >>> their > >> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always > >> > INSISTED that > >> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland > >> > Games," etc. > >> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding > >> > > >>> some > >> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings > >> > and cousins > >> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's > >> > in Ireland. > >> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name > >> > for us. My > >> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and > >> > > >>> Elizabeth > >> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they > >> came down to > >> > > >>> Boston, MA. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR name > >> > > >>> is > >> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my > >> > gr-grandparents, William > >> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the > >> > HANNAH grave - > >> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My > >> > sister tells me it > >> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I > >> > will find a way > >> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in > >> > Everett, so I don't > >> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 burials) > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on > >> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- > >> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding > >> > to !! 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Hi Betty: Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Lucky me got to celebrate again while in Minnesota for a few days so had a full turkey dinner again! The most common winter veggies on the prairies during my childhood were carrots, parsnips, beets, turnips and potatoes. These were stored in sand in our basement and it was often my chore to retrieve them for the kitchen - a dreaded chore. Towards spring some of the veggies would start to get soft and mushy so digging in the sand might jab your fingers into some yucky stuff. We also had corn, green & yellow beans plus peas - all canned in glass jars. Only Mom was allowed to open and smell the jars. Food poisoning (deadly ptomaine) was a hazard with home canning and even the smallest hint of an off smell, meant throwning it out. In the fall, pumpkin and cabbage were quite plentiful so we had lots of cold slaw, boiled cabbage and of course pumpkin pies and loaves. In Australia, apparently pumpkin is eaten as a savory veggie dish and seldom used in desserts. Now one can get a wide variety of veggies and fruit year round such as yams(sweet tatters), jimica, star fruit and some really weird looking items. Our first spring veggie was a weed called lambs quarter. Lauraine > From: "Betty" <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/11/26 Wed AM 08:14:38 CST > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Veggies in Different Countries (O-T) > > Hello, > > For those in the U.S., may you all have a happy and fun Thanksgiving Day, > or a peaceful and quiet one - whichever you prefer ! > > > Because Lists are usually quiet during Holiday weeks, I thought I would > mention a few veggies I just learned more about. > > The other day I took out one of my cookbooks and found a recipe for a > special, mashed potato. It includes parsnip and rutabagga. Those are > not veggies I usually cook, but my husband likes parsnips occasionally. > It's a good thing that good supermarkets label their veggies and fruits, > because I didn't remember what a rutabagga looked like. This morning I > looked up that veggie and found it has an interesting history: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga#Preparation > > And earlier this week I made "turkey-a-la-king," which is often made -after- > Thanksgiving. :o) But the recipe called for pimento, which is also not > a veggie I use. In fact, I had to ask the manager at the supermarket > where to find it. I just looked that up on-line, also, and found out it > is a "cherry red pepper." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimento > > And also found out it is a Portuguese word. My husband grew up with a > grandmother making Portuguese soups. I've tried a couple, and they're not > easy to make. I also tried making "Scotch Broth" once and that's not easy > to make, either. So, I keep cans of it in the cabinet. > > (Because of genealogy, just last month I found out that my husband is not > half-Portuguese / half-Irish, he is half-Portuguese / one-fourth Irish / > one-fourth Scots/English.) > :o) > > Are there other veggies that are more common in Canada than they are in the > U.S.? Or, more common in one part of a country and not another ? > > I also stopped at an "apple orchard farm stand" yesterday to buy some "apple > cider" for tomorrow. And they are still selling apples, and I saw some > names of apples I haven't seen before. > > (I always liked the story of "Johnny Appleseed." I wonder what kind of > apples he spread around the country. And, in history books, I think I > remember reading that apples were some of the "staples" that the early > immigrants would bring with them on the ships.) > > And pumpkins are a world-wide food item ! > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin > > Check out the "Fiction" paragraph there. > > And, how many people have families and/or relatives who always want > the -same- food on the table on holidays? And, how many try to > provide -something different- on the table, and it is not appreciated ? > One small thing which we -always- had on the table was "small boiled > onions." I tried bringing them to the new in-law's Thanksgiving table last > year, and they said, "What's that ??" Some tried it, and liked it. > :o) > > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > > > P.S. Learning about the Azores Islands I found out they are very big > on -- veggies ! 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Vern: Thank you so much for the site. Interesting as I had ancestors in Argenteuil, Lower Canada, some in Upper Canada as well as some in Maine for this date. Certainly helps to know that year when looking at deaths in families. Lauraine > > From: VRD <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/11/27 Thu AM 07:49:01 CST > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Year of no Summer > > One of the best sites I have found on about how this affected the Northeast, includes diary entries can be found at: http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/history/1816.htm > > > Vern

The Oxford dictionary has many faces depending on what English speaking country you live in and the year your dictionary was published as they continue to keep up with the changes in the language and word usage. I have a different view of the word and its usage other than the current definition in the Oxford dictionary on line. When I lived in Scotland in the early 1960's the term "scotch" was used to refer to inanimate objects like food and drink like a scotch egg or a location Scotch Crossing and when used on people it was considered to be derogatory and therefore identified as a "pejorative adjective" (I learned this terminology in Scotland from my school master landlord and have never forgotten it). So for me to use the word on a person would be unthinkable and impolite. In the Navy and later in the Merchant Marine I certainly heard enough use of the term in a derogatory manner to cure me of ever using it to refer to myself or others. So I use Ulster Scots and Scottish to refer to my ancestry and heritage and scotch is a drink that I do not imbibe. cheers Garth At 11:14 PM 11/27/2008, you wrote: >I have read the term Scotch (referring to nationality) in many >books--written by Scots and referring to themselves. ( ie: >Scotch kings) My gg mother >came from Scotland and the family always referred to their nationality as >Scotch. I refer you to the Oxford English dictionary. (The new authority >on the English language.) > >There is a whole page of explanation for all the things Scottish which are >also referred to as Scotch. The terms are interchangeable. P > > >> > >> At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >>>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do > >>>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two > >>>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites > >>>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to > >>>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a > >>>great deal of information also. > >>> > >>>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. > >>> > >>>regards > >>>Garth > >>> > >>> > >>>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: > >>> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged > >>> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who > >>> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible > >>> >for much of the westward expansion... > >>> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I > >>> >believe, that told the story.. > >>> >faye > >>> > > >>> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about > >>> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and > >>> > > early > >>> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused > >>> > > with > >>> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato > >>> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New > >>> > > York > >>> > > and Boston. > >>> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became > >>> > > known > >>> > > as "Scotch Irish" > >>> > > > >>> > > MomEl > >>> > > > >>> > > [email protected] wrote: > >>> > > > Faye: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and > >>> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots > >>> > Irish" came about. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Lauraine > >>> > > > > >>> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> > >>> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST > >>> > > >> To: [email protected] > >>> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> > >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people > >>> > lived in Ireland > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some > >>> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have > >>> > settled there? > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> faye > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >>> Hello, > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from > >>> > 1820's on were > >>> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from > >>> > Scotland. But they > >>> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one > >>> > of the books on > >>> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state > >>> > that they were > >>> > > >>> "Irishmen." > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block > >>> > wall." None of us > >>> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left > >>> > Sligo-Town and > >>> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each > >>> > year of research > >>> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and > >>> > HENDERSON families in > >>> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, > >>> > we have no way > >>> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming > >>> > patterns" don't > >>> > > >>> help.) > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> List Administrator > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> FYI: > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" > >>> > which is about the > >>> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to > >>> > celebrate their KERR > >>> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to > >>> > > >>> their > >>> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always > >>> > INSISTED that > >>> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland > >>> > Games," etc. > >>> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding > >>> > > >>> some > >>> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings > >>> > and cousins > >>> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's > >>> > in Ireland. > >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name > >>> > for us. My > >>> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and > >>> > > >>> Elizabeth > >>> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they > >>> came down to > >>> > > >>> Boston, MA. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR > >>> > > >>> name > > > >>> > > >>> is > >>> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my > >>> > gr-grandparents, William > >>> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the > >>> > HANNAH grave - > >>> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My > >>> > sister tells me it > >>> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I > >>> > will find a way > >>> > > >>> to do that. 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Hello, I've been posting queries about my BHC great-grandfather's last days in Sandwich, NH, this year. (And, his son's life there.) And, a little investigating showed that there was a "Woodstock Lumber Company" in that town, and much "housing" for the employees. A researcher responded with a page from the "history of Sandwich." With her permission I'm posting it here - because it mentions people who were "French Canadians" who came down to work there. See below. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (Reminder: BHC = British Home Children) (aka "Child Migrants" from Great Britain) FYI: According to the book Sandwich, New Hampshire, 1763 - 1900 by The Sandwich Historical Society, pg160 - 161 The Beebe River Logging Railroad ... Tainter's Publishers Paper Company finally agreed to sell his vast holdings in the Presidential Range as well as in the Sandwich Range to the White Mountain National Forest, thereby rendering "a notable service," according to the bronze plate on top of Mt. Whiteface. But his holdings northwest of Sandwich were sold in 1916 to the Woodstock Lumber Company and the Parker Young Company, and soon thereafter the tracks were laid for the Beebe River Logging Railroad. With influential citizens such as Henry Dorr, Alonzo McCrillis, and Charles Hoyt either working for or supporting the Publishers Paper Company, there was little opposition to this operation. Indeed, the Sandwich Historical Society's first and second excursions in 1920 and 1921 were trips on the company's flatcars up to near Camp 10 in Waterville, with the picnickers "wildly cheering" the company head at the end of the first excursion. Then "Mr. Frye, superintendent, gave a brief outline of the lumber company's work and everyone came back feeling better acquainted with the wonderful work the Beebe River Company was doing there." The logging railroad was in full operation by 1920 with twelve camps and a huge imported labor force of 408 men consisting mostly of new immigrants, including 95 Russians and 65 French Canadians who worked as choppers, reamsters, loaders, landing rollers, sled tenders, saw filers, blacksmiths, carpenters, and cooks. The elegantly dressed picnickers got a glimpse of one of these lumber camps, "set in swampy marshes, deep in the mud, surrounded by pigs." Even though this group of lumbermen almost doubled the Sandwich adult population between 1918 and 1923, Sandwich's economy did not benefit from this lumber operation. True, local citizen's could earn two dollars a day to help fight the company's frequent forest fires, but no Sandwich native was on Woodstock's regular payroll. Horses, food, and other supplies were brought in from outside. What spending money the lumbermen had was used at the company store or in Campton, not in Sandwich. The trains ran five times a day seven days a week and needed a dispatcher's telephone line from the Beebe River mill to each of the camps. But on July 12, 1923, the whole operation came to a virtual halt. What was to become Sandwich's most destructive forest fire broke out on one of the Flat Mountain's southern slopes, burning uncontrolled for four days and consuming 3,500 acres. It was so intense, the smoke could be seen from twenty-five townships. The fire was still burning in the ground two months later. The men at Camp 12, unable to flee by railroad, had to run south toward Sandwich. It must have been a strange sight to the villagers to see these Sandwich residents on their streets, the only time they would ever be seen in the Center. The August 1923 letter from State Forester John H. Foster to the manager of the Parker Young Company contains the following comments on the fire: This fire was a catastrophe, viewed from any angle...you were operating...during dry weather and heat and yet you do not appear to have taken seriously the risk. You cut too close to the right of way, you ( allowed) the telephone lines...to be broken down, you left piles of slash beside the tracks, sidings, landings, and camps, and you ran your trains through the heat of the day instead of at night with sets of camp buildings unguarded and no effort to regulate smoking. We have reached the limit on these forest fire expenses in the Beebe River valley and feel strongly inclined to turn the whole matter of adjustment...over to the Attorney General. Although other publications covered the fire in detail, the Sandwich Reporter scarcely mentioned it. Perhaps the newspaper thought it better not to alarm summer visitors and potential property buyers during the height of vacation season when business was booming.

I have read the term Scotch (referring to nationality) in many books--written by Scots and referring to themselves. ( ie: Scotch kings) My gg mother came from Scotland and the family always referred to their nationality as Scotch. I refer you to the Oxford English dictionary. (The new authority on the English language.) There is a whole page of explanation for all the things Scottish which are also referred to as Scotch. The terms are interchangeable. P >> >> At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do >>>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two >>>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites >>>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to >>>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a >>>great deal of information also. >>> >>>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. >>> >>>regards >>>Garth >>> >>> >>>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged >>> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who >>> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible >>> >for much of the westward expansion... >>> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I >>> >believe, that told the story.. >>> >faye >>> > >>> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about >>> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and >>> > > early >>> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused >>> > > with >>> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato >>> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New >>> > > York >>> > > and Boston. >>> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became >>> > > known >>> > > as "Scotch Irish" >>> > > >>> > > MomEl >>> > > >>> > > [email protected] wrote: >>> > > > Faye: >>> > > > >>> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and >>> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots >>> > Irish" came about. >>> > > > >>> > > > Lauraine >>> > > > >>> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST >>> > > >> To: [email protected] >>> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people >>> > lived in Ireland >>> > > >> >>> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some >>> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have >>> > settled there? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> faye >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hello, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from >>> > 1820's on were >>> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from >>> > Scotland. But they >>> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one >>> > of the books on >>> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state >>> > that they were >>> > > >>> "Irishmen." >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block >>> > wall." None of us >>> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left >>> > Sligo-Town and >>> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each >>> > year of research >>> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and >>> > HENDERSON families in >>> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, >>> > we have no way >>> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming >>> > patterns" don't >>> > > >>> help.) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> List Administrator >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> FYI: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" >>> > which is about the >>> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to >>> > celebrate their KERR >>> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to >>> > > >>> their >>> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always >>> > INSISTED that >>> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland >>> > Games," etc. >>> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding >>> > > >>> some >>> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings >>> > and cousins >>> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's >>> > in Ireland. >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name >>> > for us. My >>> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and >>> > > >>> Elizabeth >>> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they >>> came down to >>> > > >>> Boston, MA. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR >>> > > >>> name > >>> > > >>> is >>> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my >>> > gr-grandparents, William >>> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the >>> > HANNAH grave - >>> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My >>> > sister tells me it >>> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I >>> > will find a way >>> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in >>> > Everett, so I don't >>> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 burials) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on >>> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- >>> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding >>> > to !! 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Good deal Freda!!! Its good to be picky sometimes.. especially when helping people to realize the importance of words and to understand differences! I did see Garth Hamilton's explanation - he was quite informative.. I had seen a program about the movements to Ireland and then from there to the US. As much as I enjoy many things Scottish, and respect Scotch, I haven't yet acquired a taste for it.. a little too 'smoky' tasting for me! Have a wonderful weekend.. Faye -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of freda stewart Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland Hi Faye - no offense, of course not. Perhaps we are too picky about the term 'scotch' but I do notice that it tends to be used in the U.S. Did you read Garth Hamilton's explanation - it is very helpful and he passed on another little tidbit relating to the differences that I had forgotten about. Scotch though is very definitely a very fine drink. Freda - Calgary, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "faye rees" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > Sorry Freda > The different spelling/pronunciation never entered my brain.. Scots vs > Scotch - I hope I didn't offend... I had always thought it was Scotch as > being from Scotland, but I realize that is Scottish.. I have learned again > from you on this list.. > faye > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of freda stewart > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > Hi Garth - your opinion please on the term 'Scotch Irish'. I've always > understood that this is only used in the U.S., that the rest of us term > ourselves Ulster Scots. Scotch still comes in a bottle. > Freda Stewart-Calgary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > >> Here is a link to Irish History segments on YouTube >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyg5aBMYYz0 >> >> regards >> Garth >> >> >> At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do >>>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two >>>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites >>>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to >>>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a >>>great deal of information also. >>> >>>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. >>> >>>regards >>>Garth >>> >>> >>>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged >>> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who >>> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible >>> >for much of the westward expansion... >>> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I >>> >believe, that told the story.. >>> >faye >>> > >>> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about >>> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and >>> > > early >>> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused >>> > > with >>> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato >>> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New >>> > > York >>> > > and Boston. >>> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became >>> > > known >>> > > as "Scotch Irish" >>> > > >>> > > MomEl >>> > > >>> > > [email protected] wrote: >>> > > > Faye: >>> > > > >>> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and >>> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots >>> > Irish" came about. >>> > > > >>> > > > Lauraine >>> > > > >>> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST >>> > > >> To: [email protected] >>> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people >>> > lived in Ireland >>> > > >> >>> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some >>> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have >>> > settled there? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> faye >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hello, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from >>> > 1820's on were >>> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from >>> > Scotland. But they >>> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one >>> > of the books on >>> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state >>> > that they were >>> > > >>> "Irishmen." >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block >>> > wall." None of us >>> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left >>> > Sligo-Town and >>> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each >>> > year of research >>> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and >>> > HENDERSON families in >>> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, >>> > we have no way >>> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming >>> > patterns" don't >>> > > >>> help.) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> List Administrator >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> FYI: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" >>> > which is about the >>> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to >>> > celebrate their KERR >>> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to >>> > > >>> their >>> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always >>> > INSISTED that >>> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland >>> > Games," etc. >>> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding >>> > > >>> some >>> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings >>> > and cousins >>> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's >>> > in Ireland. >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name >>> > for us. My >>> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and >>> > > >>> Elizabeth >>> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they >>> came down to >>> > > >>> Boston, MA. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR >>> > > >>> name > >>> > > >>> is >>> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my >>> > gr-grandparents, William >>> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the >>> > HANNAH grave - >>> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My >>> > sister tells me it >>> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I >>> > will find a way >>> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in >>> > Everett, so I don't >>> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 burials) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on >>> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- >>> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding >>> > to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the >>> > Subject. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> To search the archives: >>> > > >>> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>> > > >>> The information page is: >>> > > >>> >>> > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- >>> > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >>> > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering >>> > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to >>> > !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the >>> > Subject. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> To search the archives: >>> > > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>> > > >> The information page is: >>> > > >> >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ------------------------------- >>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >>> > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering >>> > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to >>> > !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the >>> > Subject. >>> > > > >>> > > > To search the archives: >>> > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION >>> > > > The information page is: >>> > > > >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ------------------------------- >>> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > > >>> > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this >>> > List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering >>> > to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to >>> > !! 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Hi Faye - no offense, of course not. Perhaps we are too picky about the term 'scotch' but I do notice that it tends to be used in the U.S. Did you read Garth Hamilton's explanation - it is very helpful and he passed on another little tidbit relating to the differences that I had forgotten about. Scotch though is very definitely a very fine drink. Freda - Calgary, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "faye rees" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > Sorry Freda > The different spelling/pronunciation never entered my brain.. Scots vs > Scotch - I hope I didn't offend... I had always thought it was Scotch as > being from Scotland, but I realize that is Scottish.. I have learned again > from you on this list.. > faye > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of freda stewart > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > Hi Garth - your opinion please on the term 'Scotch Irish'. I've always > understood that this is only used in the U.S., that the rest of us term > ourselves Ulster Scots. Scotch still comes in a bottle. > Freda Stewart-Calgary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garth Hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people lived in Ireland > > >> Here is a link to Irish History segments on YouTube >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyg5aBMYYz0 >> >> regards >> Garth >> >> >> At 01:00 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>>If you are interested in the settlement of Ulster by the Scots do >>>some research on the Plantations of Ulster circa 1609. The first two >>>were settled by Hamilton's and Montgomery's. There are several sites >>>with this information but Wikapedia is probably the the place to >>>start with the condensed version. The Ulster web site also has a >>>great deal of information also. >>> >>>Google "Ulster Plantations" there is lots there. >>> >>>regards >>>Garth >>> >>> >>>At 12:46 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: >>> >There was at least one point in time when the Scots were encouraged >>> >by the British to move to Northern Ireland.. and yes it was they who >>> >in turn moved to the U.S., many to the south, and were responsible >>> >for much of the westward expansion... >>> >There was a wonderful show, on one of the History Channels I >>> >believe, that told the story.. >>> >faye >>> > >>> >---- MomElefant <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > I could be wrong But I believe the "Scotch Irish" term came about >>> > > because the early Irish immigrants form the 1600's and 1700's and >>> > > early >>> > > 1800's who were very well established did NOT want to be confused >>> > > with >>> > > or associated with the "poor Irish immigrant" fleeing the "Potato >>> > > Famine' who came over with nothing and settled in the slums of New >>> > > York >>> > > and Boston. >>> > > Therefore the Irish who had been here for many generations became >>> > > known >>> > > as "Scotch Irish" >>> > > >>> > > MomEl >>> > > >>> > > [email protected] wrote: >>> > > > Faye: >>> > > > >>> > > > There was a fair amount of movement between Scotland and >>> > Ireland at various times. Believe that is how the name "Scots >>> > Irish" came about. >>> > > > >>> > > > Lauraine >>> > > > >>> > > >> From: Faye <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 09:58:14 CST >>> > > >> To: [email protected] >>> > > >> CC: Betty <[email protected]> >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Surnames from Scotland; people >>> > lived in Ireland >>> > > >> >>> > > >> While Sligo is outside of Northern Ireland, I wonder if some >>> > of the Scotts who were moved to Ireland in the 1600s might have >>> > settled there? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> faye >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ---- Betty <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hello, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Just a reminder that my ancestors in the Prov. of Quebec from >>> > 1820's on were >>> > > >>> KERR and HENDERSON families - definitely names from >>> > Scotland. But they >>> > > >>> were born and raised in County Sligo, Ireland. And, one >>> > of the books on >>> > > >>> the "history of Argenteuil Co. and Prescott Co. ..." state >>> > that they were >>> > > >>> "Irishmen." >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> (For dozens of researchers, this is a "concrete-block >>> > wall." None of us >>> > > >>> can find out who the parents were of the 9 people who left >>> > Sligo-Town and >>> > > >>> came to Canada. (4 couples, one single lady). As each >>> > year of research >>> > > >>> goes on, we are finding out that there were KERR and >>> > HENDERSON families in >>> > > >>> the late 1700's in County Sligo, even in Sligo Town. But, >>> > we have no way >>> > > >>> to connect our ancestors up to them. And, even "naming >>> > patterns" don't >>> > > >>> help.) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> List Administrator >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> FYI: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> In 2 weeks we will be attending a "cousins get-together" >>> > which is about the >>> > > >>> ~20 KERR cousins / siblings I have. They all like to >>> > celebrate their KERR >>> > > >>> heritage; even have a few patches of a KERR tartan pinned to >>> > > >>> their >>> > > >>> clothes. And, several of my late uncles and aunts always >>> > INSISTED that >>> > > >>> they were "Scots" and some of them attended the "Highland >>> > Games," etc. >>> > > >>> Over the weekend I was trying to find a way on-line of finding >>> > > >>> some >>> > > >>> "HENDERSON tartan" patches. I wanted to remind my siblings >>> > and cousins >>> > > >>> that one of our ancestors was William HENDERSON, born 1780's >>> > in Ireland. >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, it was his daughter who carried on the name >>> > for us. My >>> > > >>> gr-gr-grandparents were supposedly cousins, Robert KERR and >>> > > >>> Elizabeth >>> > > >>> HENDERSON, b1827 in Argenteuil County, and in 1880's they >>> came down to >>> > > >>> Boston, MA. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Robert and Elizabeth are buried in Everett, MA, and the KERR >>> > > >>> name > >>> > > >>> is >>> > > >>> mentioned there. But, I've been reminded that my >>> > gr-grandparents, William >>> > > >>> KERR and Elizabeth HANNAH, are buried in Malden, MA, in the >>> > HANNAH grave - >>> > > >>> and the KERR name is not mentioned on the stone. My >>> > sister tells me it >>> > > >>> cost a lot of money to add names to a stone, but someday I >>> > will find a way >>> > > >>> to do that. And, I haven't seen the KERR stone in >>> > Everett, so I don't >>> > > >>> know if the HENDERSON name is mentioned there. (~1905 burials) >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Hmmmm. Maybe that's what I'll do today. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on >>> > this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- >>> > remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding >>> > to !! 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