Betty Thanks, I have ordered it. Not the same Bell family as they went to a different location in Upper Canada then mine. However the pattern is similiar & who knows it might give me a new clue as to where in Ulster my Bell's came from. Murray Bell Scituate MA ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty<mailto:bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com<mailto:can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> ; scots-in-canada@rootsweb.com<mailto:scots-in-canada@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] BELL Surname (GREENLAW) Hello, I've been helping some researchers in their search for the title of a book which was written about the "southern GREENLAW's." Or, about the William GREENLAW who left Scotland and went to Virginia in 1750's. This is a different William GREENLAW who left Scotland and went directly to "Maine" in the 1750's. I'm not having any luck finding the book they are looking for, not even the official title of it. However, in my search, I just came across this book, and I thought it might be something that other researchers would be interested in: http://www.amazon.com/Frontiersmen-Settlers-Scotland-Ireland-Canada/dp/1553692772/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247237628&sr=1-33<http://www.amazon.com/Frontiersmen-Settlers-Scotland-Ireland-Canada/dp/1553692772/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247237628&sr=1-33> The chronicle of the Bell family is one which will be familiar to thousands of other Canadians whose ancestors were part of a massive immigration from the British Isles to Ontario in the early 19th century. Originally the Bells were one of the troublesome "riding clans" of the Scottish borders. (Another Bell group originated as an offshoot form Clan MacMillan in western Argyllshire) Many moved or were moved to Ireland in the early 17th century "Plantation" of Ulster, where their descendants remain to the present, as Ulster Scots. By the early 19th century severe economic depression, land pressures, and increased friction with the native Irish were widespread. It lead to a major emigration of Ulster Scots to North America, and particularly to Upper Canada. Their imprint on the character of Ontario persists to the present. FYI: I think it is OK to mention books you find on-line, especially from "used-book-finding web sites." This is as long as you are not trying to "promote" a web site, or especially if you have no financial interest in the book or the web site. There are many web sites which you can read books on-line - for free. Just be careful with sites which want you to provide information. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (I did go to the web site for the Virginia Historical Society, and did a "search the collections" and the GREENLAW name is mentioned.) Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your surnames and place-names. And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames and place-names. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION> The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone have any information on Annie Bayman and Anthony Hart Jones. They were from somewhere in New York and moved to Argyle, I believe, in the late 1770s or 1780s. They had three daughters that I know of, Margaret who married Henry Seallie (Seeley?), Constance or Constantina who married Abram Hatfield, and Anne who married Reuben Larkin. I can find nothing about them - Thanks in advance faye

Hello, I've been helping some researchers in their search for the title of a book which was written about the "southern GREENLAW's." Or, about the William GREENLAW who left Scotland and went to Virginia in 1750's. This is a different William GREENLAW who left Scotland and went directly to "Maine" in the 1750's. I'm not having any luck finding the book they are looking for, not even the official title of it. However, in my search, I just came across this book, and I thought it might be something that other researchers would be interested in: http://www.amazon.com/Frontiersmen-Settlers-Scotland-Ireland-Canada/dp/1553692772/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247237628&sr=1-33 The chronicle of the Bell family is one which will be familiar to thousands of other Canadians whose ancestors were part of a massive immigration from the British Isles to Ontario in the early 19th century. Originally the Bells were one of the troublesome "riding clans" of the Scottish borders. (Another Bell group originated as an offshoot form Clan MacMillan in western Argyllshire) Many moved or were moved to Ireland in the early 17th century "Plantation" of Ulster, where their descendants remain to the present, as Ulster Scots. By the early 19th century severe economic depression, land pressures, and increased friction with the native Irish were widespread. It lead to a major emigration of Ulster Scots to North America, and particularly to Upper Canada. Their imprint on the character of Ontario persists to the present. FYI: I think it is OK to mention books you find on-line, especially from "used-book-finding web sites." This is as long as you are not trying to "promote" a web site, or especially if you have no financial interest in the book or the web site. There are many web sites which you can read books on-line - for free. Just be careful with sites which want you to provide information. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (I did go to the web site for the Virginia Historical Society, and did a "search the collections" and the GREENLAW name is mentioned.) Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your surnames and place-names. And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames and place-names.

It is funny how times change - Being divorced used to carry much more of a stigma than it does today. I married a man who was divorced and my mother never shared that with my grandfather because she thought it would upset him (my grandfather's parents also divorced in around 1903 but his mother never remarried). I think that stigma fell away during the late 60s and 1970s, along with a lot of other rules! I think some of those changes go back to the WWII era, when women for the first time hit the job world in roles other than school teachers and librarians.. Rosie the Riveter and her colleagues set into motion many societal changes! But I also look back to our family tree where brothers and sisters of one family married brothers and sisters in the same other family, and first cousins married each other. While we still see siblings marrying siblings, the first cousins not so much! Faye ---- MASmith <momsmith@fnwusers.com> wrote: > I think the "morality" standards are a lot more lax today than they used to > be.... and therefore, more kinds of marriages, arrangements, matches, etc. > are going on all the time. People are not as strict about what is "proper" > and what is to be banished as they used to be. > > Part of this may have come about because the guys in the service were sent > to all parts of the world with different customs, etc. and brought back > wives who were not completely versed in "our way of life." (For better or > worse!!) And part of it is because there are no longer all the strict > laws, morals, "proper" actions, etc. that there used to be. We have come a > long way since Victorian times.........but if you really know a lot about > what "went on" in those times, you'd probably realize that not all people > really lived up to them at the time, even!!! > > Just my "take" on the subject..........right or wrong? > > mas > > -----Original Message----- > From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:07 AM > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Marriages not Appreciated in past decades > > Hello, > > Both of my parents had a much younger brother, both of whom were born on > "Valentine's Day." Both born in 1930's. My father's younger, > half-brother, joined the Army either during or right after high school. As > > many other soldiers did, he ended up in Germany. He met a young lady > there and they fell in love. He brought her back to the US, and I think > they married here. He was only 10 years older than me. So I have an > aunt who is only 6 yrs. older than me. I don't remember there being any > "discussions" in my father's family about having a lady born in Germany in > their family. > > Over to my mother's younger brother, he also joined the Army - even before > he graduated. While in the Army, he met a young lady in MA, and they fell > > in love and wanted to marry. But, horrors, she was a "divorcee" and worse > than that, she had - a child. There were many "discussions" about this > situation. Both my uncle and his wife had a nice wedding but both were > hurt by all the "discussions" and they became partly estranged from the > family because of it ! That was the 1950's ! They were an "Army > family" and moved to many states. And I don't think I've seen this uncle > and aunt since the 1960's; they didn't even come home for the parents' > funerals. They had a daughter of their own, and then adopted a son. > I've never met their son. > > Cousins will be cousins, and we tried to keep in touch with the 2 daughters. > > Some cousins traveled to their home for vacations. Last summer one of the > > daughters surprised all of us at our annual "cousins get-together" - when > she flew up from a southern state to attend the cookout ! She was the > daughter from her mother's first marriage, and she was made to feel "family" > > last summer, and she really appreciated it. > > My parents came from 2, different kinds of families. One with a lot of > "pride" and one with - not quite so much. > > "Proper Bostonians" were not always in MA/US. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > (We know a man who fathered a child while in the Army and in Germany. We > don't know the circumstances, but he came back and married here and had > children with his wife. As it turned out? Both daughters ended up with > > the same first-name - unbeknownst to him.) > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find > it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT > from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a > SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The cars on the roads then didn't go at the SPEED that they can now, either! Nor did they have the super-highways to take us everywhere at those high speeds. It was a different world......and in many ways, a better one. Even tho we didn't have all the modern appliances and luxuries we take for granted now. mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kay Wright Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:19 PM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] rationing in US during WWII As a child I well remember rationing of gas, many food items including meat and sugar. Oleo margarine replaced butter. Shortage of leather for shoes meant a family got only so many coupons for shoes for the year. Shoes couldn't be resoled so they were patched at home to get a little more wear out of them. Cardboard was often seen covering the holes. Finances were not the problem but rather availability of leather. Any items made of material which could be used for the war effort was very scarce. We had black out curtains to use in the evenings and our streets were patrolled by air raid wardens to enforce lights out. Cars were repaired, not replaced; tires were retreaded. I am sure the cars on the road then could never pass today's safety checks! When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the "morality" standards are a lot more lax today than they used to be.... and therefore, more kinds of marriages, arrangements, matches, etc. are going on all the time. People are not as strict about what is "proper" and what is to be banished as they used to be. Part of this may have come about because the guys in the service were sent to all parts of the world with different customs, etc. and brought back wives who were not completely versed in "our way of life." (For better or worse!!) And part of it is because there are no longer all the strict laws, morals, "proper" actions, etc. that there used to be. We have come a long way since Victorian times.........but if you really know a lot about what "went on" in those times, you'd probably realize that not all people really lived up to them at the time, even!!! Just my "take" on the subject..........right or wrong? mas -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:07 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Marriages not Appreciated in past decades Hello, Both of my parents had a much younger brother, both of whom were born on "Valentine's Day." Both born in 1930's. My father's younger, half-brother, joined the Army either during or right after high school. As many other soldiers did, he ended up in Germany. He met a young lady there and they fell in love. He brought her back to the US, and I think they married here. He was only 10 years older than me. So I have an aunt who is only 6 yrs. older than me. I don't remember there being any "discussions" in my father's family about having a lady born in Germany in their family. Over to my mother's younger brother, he also joined the Army - even before he graduated. While in the Army, he met a young lady in MA, and they fell in love and wanted to marry. But, horrors, she was a "divorcee" and worse than that, she had - a child. There were many "discussions" about this situation. Both my uncle and his wife had a nice wedding but both were hurt by all the "discussions" and they became partly estranged from the family because of it ! That was the 1950's ! They were an "Army family" and moved to many states. And I don't think I've seen this uncle and aunt since the 1960's; they didn't even come home for the parents' funerals. They had a daughter of their own, and then adopted a son. I've never met their son. Cousins will be cousins, and we tried to keep in touch with the 2 daughters. Some cousins traveled to their home for vacations. Last summer one of the daughters surprised all of us at our annual "cousins get-together" - when she flew up from a southern state to attend the cookout ! She was the daughter from her mother's first marriage, and she was made to feel "family" last summer, and she really appreciated it. My parents came from 2, different kinds of families. One with a lot of "pride" and one with - not quite so much. "Proper Bostonians" were not always in MA/US. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (We know a man who fathered a child while in the Army and in Germany. We don't know the circumstances, but he came back and married here and had children with his wife. As it turned out? Both daughters ended up with the same first-name - unbeknownst to him.) When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Researchers on the GREENLAW List have been trying to find out if the "GREENLAW Family Association" still exists. It was started by a researcher in 2004, but in Jan. 2008, he "died suddenly." Just this morning I heard that it does still exist. It is not really active but some members will be present at the "Highland Games." The "250th anniversary of the first arrival of a GREENLAW in Maine" was held in 2003. But the next anniversary celebration in 2008 could not take place in an official manner. The web site has not been updated since Jan. 08, but you can look at it: http://www.greenlawfamily.org/ Because of the discussions on the GREENLAW List / Board, I have found out that the "Highland Games" in New Brunswick are coming up in a couple of weeks: http://highlandgames.ca/hg/news.html And the "Games" in Maine will be held in about a month: http://www.mainehighlandgames.org Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (Have the "Games" been mentioned on the Lists about "Scots" in North America?) FYI: I had a KERR uncle and aunt who attended the "Highland Games" every year when they were active people. They believed they were Scots. Our ancestors were Patrick KERR and William HENDERSON who arrived in Canada in the 1820's. They came from - Ireland ! And, several records and books about them refer to them as "Irishmen." But, I wasn't allowed to mention that to my uncle and aunt. :o) My other uncle had a wife with the LOVE surname. I just found out this summer that my cousins are mostly "Irish." :o) (The cousins from this extended family were meeting every Christmas, and now we are also meeting every summer. A daughter from another uncle (long estranged) surprised us with a visit last summer. We enjoy meeting .now. while we are still active !) :o)

Hi Linda, This is not a subject that I know a lot about. But, I hope to visit a "NARA" building this summer where I'm told there are a lot of records about "military people." There is a way to get information from WW II records, but you probably need a little more information, like date and place of birth, etc. I just checked and there is a List for WW II: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html and http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WW2-POW.html Also, my father fought in WW II and he was in "North Africa" especially in Algeria. He was a "radioman" on an airplane and did not get seriously injured and returned to Boston, MA, area. Your question might be a good one for the NORCAL and SOCAL Lists. Perhaps you could check the archives of those Lists to see if the ESSEX surname has been discussed before. www.rootsweb.com Betty (near Lowell, MA) FYI: Don't forget to use the List "Index" on the home page. If you go to the "Other" category, you find many things, like: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/ http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/w/worldwarwomen.html#WORLDWARWOMEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] wondering out loud? > Hi Listers, > I am helping an elderly lady find out about what we believe to be her > grandfather. He was to have died as killed in action (KIA) in WW2, in > North Africa campagin. Was decorated BIG time. > Now that said, have any of you had to hunt down a newspaper article, > with so little to go on.. we think he may be buried in CA. but where? > Do I go to the VA and seek input, or just where would you start. I think > an obit would great help, but where to look. I can't afford to subscribe > to the fancy sites, so please don't suggest them....i have tried the > SSDI and looked thru some 1, 344 names and found 2......but neither ring > a bell with my friend. I have no idea where to start this search, with > out a location I would think...is there a VA site that I could find out > where he was born or buried in? > Looking for: ESSEX, Arthur, dies 1943. > ~Linda~ > "Loved ones" are your family tree, > and lifes journey.

Linda On Ancestry, there is an Arthur W Essex listed in the Roster of WWII dead - unfortunately all it says for a cemetery is California and that he was Catholic. There are WWI registration documents for an Arthur Eugene Essex from Modoc, CA good luck faye ---- Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> wrote: > Hi Listers, > I am helping an elderly lady find out about what we believe to be her > grandfather. He was to have died as killed in action (KIA) in WW2, in > North Africa campagin. Was decorated BIG time. > Now that said, have any of you had to hunt down a newspaper article, > with so little to go on.. we think he may be buried in CA. but where? > Do I go to the VA and seek input, or just where would you start. I think > an obit would great help, but where to look. I can't afford to subscribe > to the fancy sites, so please don't suggest them....i have tried the > SSDI and looked thru some 1, 344 names and found 2......but neither ring > a bell with my friend. I have no idea where to start this search, with > out a location I would think...is there a VA site that I could find out > where he was born or buried in? > Looking for: ESSEX, Arthur, dies 1943. > That is all we know at this time. I realize that is splittng hairs but > its all she has at this time.. > You folks seem to have a lot of wisdom, but this nut is a toughie. Any > help would be appreiated. > > ~Linda~ > "Loved ones" are your family tree, > and lifes journey. > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda This would be a perfect question to submit to AskOliveTree.blogspot.com You might want to add Arthur's date of birth (or estimated dob) plus location of birth to your query if you submit it Good luck! Lorine On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Linda Mock<lindamock@webtv.net> wrote: > Hi Listers, > I am helping an elderly lady find out about what we believe to be her > grandfather. He was to have died as killed in action (KIA) in WW2, in > North Africa campagin. Was decorated BIG time. > Now that said, have any of you had to hunt down a newspaper article, > with so little to go on.. we think he may be buried in CA. but where? > Do I go to the VA and seek input, or just where would you start. I think > an obit would great help, but where to look. I can't afford to subscribe > to the fancy sites, so please don't suggest them....i have tried the > SSDI and looked thru some 1, 344 names and found 2......but neither ring > a bell with my friend. I have no idea where to start this search, with > out a location I would think...is there a VA site that I could find out > where he was born or buried in? > Looking for: ESSEX, Arthur, dies 1943. > That is all we know at this time. I realize that is splittng hairs but > its all she has at this time.. > You folks seem to have a lot of wisdom, but this nut is a toughie. Any > help would be appreiated. > -- Follow my genealogy updates on Twitter http://twitter.com/LorineMS Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

Do you know what Regiment he was in. Do you know specifically which Campaign he was killed in. This info would help in finding what you are looking for. -----Original Message----- From: lindamock@webtv.net [mailto:lindamock@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:44 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] wondering out loud? Hi Listers, I am helping an elderly lady find out about what we believe to be her grandfather. He was to have died as killed in action (KIA) in WW2, in North Africa campagin. Was decorated BIG time. Now that said, have any of you had to hunt down a newspaper article, with so little to go on.. we think he may be buried in CA. but where? Do I go to the VA and seek input, or just where would you start. I think an obit would great help, but where to look. I can't afford to subscribe to the fancy sites, so please don't suggest them....i have tried the SSDI and looked thru some 1, 344 names and found 2......but neither ring a bell with my friend. I have no idea where to start this search, with out a location I would think...is there a VA site that I could find out where he was born or buried in? Looking for: ESSEX, Arthur, dies 1943. That is all we know at this time. I realize that is splittng hairs but its all she has at this time.. You folks seem to have a lot of wisdom, but this nut is a toughie. Any help would be appreiated. ~Linda~ "Loved ones" are your family tree, and lifes journey. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I am helping an elderly lady find out about what we believe to be her grandfather. He was to have died as killed in action (KIA) in WW2, in North Africa campagin. Was decorated BIG time. Now that said, have any of you had to hunt down a newspaper article, with so little to go on.. we think he may be buried in CA. but where? Do I go to the VA and seek input, or just where would you start. I think an obit would great help, but where to look. I can't afford to subscribe to the fancy sites, so please don't suggest them....i have tried the SSDI and looked thru some 1, 344 names and found 2......but neither ring a bell with my friend. I have no idea where to start this search, with out a location I would think...is there a VA site that I could find out where he was born or buried in? Looking for: ESSEX, Arthur, dies 1943. That is all we know at this time. I realize that is splittng hairs but its all she has at this time.. You folks seem to have a lot of wisdom, but this nut is a toughie. Any help would be appreiated. ~Linda~ "Loved ones" are your family tree, and lifes journey.

As a child I well remember rationing of gas, many food items including meat and sugar. Oleo margarine replaced butter. Shortage of leather for shoes meant a family got only so many coupons for shoes for the year. Shoes couldn't be resoled so they were patched at home to get a little more wear out of them. Cardboard was often seen covering the holes. Finances were not the problem but rather availability of leather. Any items made of material which could be used for the war effort was very scarce. We had black out curtains to use in the evenings and our streets were patrolled by air raid wardens to enforce lights out. Cars were repaired, not replaced; tires were retreaded. I am sure the cars on the road then could never pass today's safety checks!

I was very small, but remember hearing about the lack of sugar and gas and definitely remember OLEO!! My sisters and I took turns breaking the red capsule and mixing the color in to make the white oleo yellow in the bag. Also remember buying US War Bond Stamps at the post office and filling up a card with them. Some if these things were after we won the war. Paulette E.

Hello, I just went to Google to find more information on the battle at Trois-Rivieres, and I found a Google / Book which someone might be interested in: http://books.google.com/books?id=tW_eEVbVxpEC&dq=%22Trois-Rivieres+War%22&source=gbs_navlinks_s It seems to be a book, "Dictionary of Battles and Sieges" - covering all wars. Here is another on-line book which mentions Trois-Rivieres, as far as soldiers coming up there from Ticonderoga: http://www.archive.org/stream/orderlybookofnor00unituoft/orderlybookofnor00unituoft_djvu.txt This is one paragraph from the Introduction: THE Effort which Congrefs had made in the Year 1776 for the Subjugation of Canada having failed, and their Troops being wholly expelled from that Province, the Britifh Gen. Carleton turned his Attention to the imme- diate Invalion of the rebellious Colonies by Way of the .Lakes. The Provincials were collected in great Force at Crown Point, and were abfolute Matters of Lake Champlain, where the Britifh had not a fingle Veffel to oppofe them. In order to acquire a Superiority upon the Lake it was found that no lefs than thirty Veffels would be required, and thefe were to be little lefs than created. To overcome the Difficulty, fix Veffels of a large Clafs which had been built in England, were taken to Pieces and tranfported over Land, and afterwards dragged up the Rapids of St. Therefe and St. John. The Fleet which they placed at the Foot of the Lake by this flupendous Undertaking, confifted of a Gondola weighing thirty Tons, thirty Long-boats, a Number of Flat-boats of confiderable Burden, and Here is an FYI page: http://warsearch.com/topic/Trois-Rivieres Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ( I wonder if any KIDDER men went there. I wish my CD of the 1941 "KIDDER book" was searchable. Hopefully, an updated version of the book will become available next year. )

Sorry I didn't get this sent yesterday, but just opened it: http://food.aol.com/grilling/fourth-of-july The recipes are too late, but some of the history of food served on the 4th of July from earlier times is quite interesting so wanted to share. Not sure what "burgoo" is, but will google. Hope everyone had a great holiday. Lauraine

Do any of you women remember that we couldn't get elastic? I was just into my teen days then but I remember that we had to tie our panties on. I remember I was walking on Tremont St. in Boston when one of these strings broke. I very red-faced picked my unmentionables up off the pavement and quickly stuffed them in my pocket! Priscilla

yes, Lauraine, there was a lot of rationing. I'm too young to remember, but being a late child, I spent more time with the old folks than kids my age, and heard many stories, as well as helping a man transcribe his memories. people gathered rubber, iron, and other needed goods and handed them over to the government. they carried food and gas (petrol) ration cards and could only buy food and gas on certain days. victory gardens and trade was common to add to the family larder, the larger farmer's food all went to the service men. many things were rationed, a lot were luxuries but some were staples. butter was replaced by olio, then by margerine. nylons were difficult to come by. there's much more than this, but it's all I can bring to mind at the moment. there's sure to be better details somewhere online, try Googling for it. BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Cornelia On Sat 1:00 AM , can-usa-migration-request@rootsweb.com sent: Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:48:56 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] old letters To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Paulette: Obviously you were very lucky to have such a loving and caring father. My Dad was the same and died in 2007. Still miss him very much, but he left such great memories. Am sure there was a site that was gathering letters from the "men at war" but not sure if it was U.S. or Canadian. I do have a photo of my Dad's youngest brother in uniform - he is before a military truck and he wrote some comments on the back. He was in the Europe theatre and married a girl from Aberdeen. She came to Canada as a war bride and they had a small child born in Scotland. He tells me how shocked his Mom was when they got off the boat in Halifax - the greeters played "Here Comes the Bride" as they landed and many of them had married in Europe and had children. Back then being a bride with a small child was not quite proper and she considered herself an "old married woman". Recall my family sending parcels overseas. They were boxed and then sewn in flour sacking. Mom told me if the ship carrying them sunk, the packages would float and the sacking made it easier to nab with a grappling hook. No idea if that is true? Cigarettes (in flat tins, chocolate, fruit cake, cookies and socks were the main items sent. Food and luxury goods were highly rationed in the U.K. and my Aunt told me how the whole family gave up their weekly egg (yes l egg) so my cousin could have one 4 or 5 times a week. Did the U.S. have rationing during WW2 like we did in Canada? Lauraine Links: ------ [1] mailto:syrnick@mts.net [2] mailto:can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com [3] mailto:20090703234856.BBEV1736.mx-01queue01.mts.net@wnpgmb013qw-sp03.mts.net

All kinds of things were rationed in the US as well, including gas and sugar. http://www.memorialhall.mass.edu/collection/itempage.jsp?itemid=18231 My grandfather could not serve in the military due to health reasons, so he got a job as an electrician on the army air base in Roswell, NM during WWII. The family drove to NM from Rhode Island. Gas was rationed at that time. My grandmother said that near the end of their trip, one of the stations did not collect their ration tickets. If it had, they would not have had enough gas to complete their trip. When I lived in Boston, I had a victory garden. They were started during WWII to provide garden plots to city people so they could grow their own veggies. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <tattoo@golden.net> >I remember gas was rationed during WWII in Canada. Dad farmed and gas for > tractors was tinted so it was a different color than gas for cars --- and > boy, you better not have got caught driving the family car with tractor > gas > in the tank. Sugar was rationed as well and if there were other > foodstuffs, > I don't remember. We always had a huge garden so we barely noticed > shortages. >

Gas is still coloured (at least in parts of Canada.) See the enclosed excerpt from the insurance corporation of BC booklet: Tax-reduced coloured fuel or "farm gas" may be used to operate: . a tractor when used on a highway by, or on behalf of, a farmer for the purposes of the farmer's farm . a farm truck licensed as a farm vehicle under the Commercial Transport Act, and being used by a farmer or other person in the operation of the farm. For detailed information about coloured gas and Social Service Tax exemptions, visit www.gov.bc.ca/sbr. -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: July 4, 2009 9:04 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] old letters I remember gas was rationed during WWII in Canada. Dad farmed and gas for tractors was tinted so it was a different color than gas for cars --- and boy, you better not have got caught driving the family car with tractor gas in the tank. Sugar was rationed as well and if there were other foodstuffs, I don't remember. We always had a huge garden so we barely noticed shortages. When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message