Nelson you make some really interesting points in this message -- things I'd not heard of before and places to look for marriages i.e. military records. With your permission, please, I'd like to quote your information on my 2 family sites which are not public. Joan Wilton

At our house, we used the bacon grease for cooking and I think my dad made lye soap out of it also. I also remember the first oleo I saw. It was white in color and came in a plastic bag. There was a little button of food coloring in the middle and me and my brother fought over who would mix the stuff. That was fun, but it was the most awful stuff I had ever eaten. It felt as if there was sand in it. That oleo made me vow to never buy anything but butter once I grew up. and I never did. I was born during the second world war (1943) and we lived on a farm, so I do not remember rationing, but my parents were frugal, as they had also come through the depression with the 3 kids older than me. Marilyn Craig On Jul 11, 2009, at 1:39 AM, D.C. wrote: > My dad used to tell us about a sign in the window of a store. The > sign > said, "Ladies, Bring your fat cans in here." He laughed every time. > > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Judy Bingham > I remember the grease in the coffee cans. > > From: Elsie Pykonen <elpyk@ncats.net> > Also remember we saved and strained all grease from frying, etc, > stored in > cans and sold to the butcher shop for 5 cents/pound. I think the > old grease > was used for munitions. > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, > I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to > include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please > make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

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I recall Kresgie (?sp) and Woolworths in Lowell, MA. Les ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Foods You First Ate as a Child in '40's > Hello, > > I need to get away from my computer right now, but I just asked my hubby > to > remind me of 2 of his childhood stories. He had eye problems as a > toddler and around Age 5 he started going to "Mass. Eye and Ear" in > Boston. > On the way home with his mother, they would stop for lunch, and he had his > first taste of "french fries." > > He came from a poor family, for several reasons, but partly because both > sets of his grandparents were immigrants. And, when he was about 10, > his > uncle built him a shoe-shine box, and he would sit on a Cambridge > city-street. When he had made a dollar, he went into the "lunch counter" > nearby and asked for "hot chocolate" and toast. The waitress spread > something on his toast and he didn't know what it was. It was butter. > > He said at this home, they would take lard and color it, etc., and make > oleo > with it. > > Right at this second, neither one of us can remember the name of the "5 > and > 10" type store which was in Central Square. It had a "lunch counter" > inside the store where you could sit and ask for coffee, or a sandwich and > a > soda, etc. I know about the "5 and 10's," and I know about the "Ben > Franklin Store." But what was the name of the similar store? The > store we're thinking of was still existing in New England up until about > 5-10 years ago. > > He said there were other stores which had "lunch counters." He > remembers > "Gorin's." > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > List Administrator > > > (My mother was an OK cook, but not great. There were 3 foods which she > liked to cook for meals, which I did not like at all. "liver and > onions," her version of "pea soup," and asparagus. I still don't > like > liver. But, as an adult, I tried "fresh asparagus" and liked it. I > remembered she had always pulled asparagus out of a can. And, one day I > tried "pea soup" in a restaurant, and discovered it wasn't so bad.) > > (Her mother was a great baker ! She was well-known for her home-made > bread and rolls, etc. Because of genealogy, I found out she probably > learned how to be a great baker at "The Temporary Home for Women and > Children" in Boston. She was the grandmother who was twice-orphaned > near > Boston, and ended up at Age 10 in an orphanage, and then around 13 or 14 > when to "The Temporary Home." She remained there until she was about > 20.) > (Her Adoptive parents told her she was a "foundling" on the steps of a > church in Boston. I believe that was another "lie." I believe that > they were her grandparents, and that their married in daughter in CT had a > pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of 1888.") > > (For unknown reasons, my grandmother was given the name, Daisy WATROUS, at > birth. At her adoption in 1892, her name was changed to Mary Anna Clark > DEXTER. The only thing I can think of is that her birth-father was a > WATROUS. Her Adoptive parents "knew" her both her birth-mother and > birth-father were, and they never told her. They died between 1899 and > 1905, while she was 10 and 16.) > > (I'm told that WATROUS is a variation on WATERHOUSE.) > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I > find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the > SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there > is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again, Thank you. That was it ! ;o) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._W._Woolworth_Company Someone wrote a book about it: http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Woolworths-Nostalgic-Five-Dime/dp/0312277040 And check out the other books of the same type at the bottom of the page. How many have eaten at an "automat?" There was a funny, old, Doris Day and Cary Grant movie about an automat ! :o) And, WOOLWORTH, that's a surname we don't see on the Lists ! Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

That's the other one we were trying to think of....woolworths!

Kreski's or Newberry's and there is another one that we can't think of the name of... Paulette E.

Betty Are you trying to think of Woolworth's? Faye -----Original Message----- From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:14 AM To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Foods You First Ate as a Child in '40's Hello, I need to get away from my computer right now, but I just asked my hubby to remind me of 2 of his childhood stories. He had eye problems as a toddler and around Age 5 he started going to "Mass. Eye and Ear" in Boston. On the way home with his mother, they would stop for lunch, and he had his first taste of "french fries." He came from a poor family, for several reasons, but partly because both sets of his grandparents were immigrants. And, when he was about 10, his uncle built him a shoe-shine box, and he would sit on a Cambridge city-street. When he had made a dollar, he went into the "lunch counter" nearby and asked for "hot chocolate" and toast. The waitress spread something on his toast and he didn't know what it was. It was butter. He said at this home, they would take lard and color it, etc., and make oleo with it. Right at this second, neither one of us can remember the name of the "5 and 10" type store which was in Central Square. It had a "lunch counter" inside the store where you could sit and ask for coffee, or a sandwich and a soda, etc. I know about the "5 and 10's," and I know about the "Ben Franklin Store." But what was the name of the similar store? The store we're thinking of was still existing in New England up until about 5-10 years ago. He said there were other stores which had "lunch counters." He remembers "Gorin's." Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (My mother was an OK cook, but not great. There were 3 foods which she liked to cook for meals, which I did not like at all. "liver and onions," her version of "pea soup," and asparagus. I still don't like liver. But, as an adult, I tried "fresh asparagus" and liked it. I remembered she had always pulled asparagus out of a can. And, one day I tried "pea soup" in a restaurant, and discovered it wasn't so bad.) (Her mother was a great baker ! She was well-known for her home-made bread and rolls, etc. Because of genealogy, I found out she probably learned how to be a great baker at "The Temporary Home for Women and Children" in Boston. She was the grandmother who was twice-orphaned near Boston, and ended up at Age 10 in an orphanage, and then around 13 or 14 when to "The Temporary Home." She remained there until she was about 20.) (Her Adoptive parents told her she was a "foundling" on the steps of a church in Boston. I believe that was another "lie." I believe that they were her grandparents, and that their married in daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of 1888.") (For unknown reasons, my grandmother was given the name, Daisy WATROUS, at birth. At her adoption in 1892, her name was changed to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER. The only thing I can think of is that her birth-father was a WATROUS. Her Adoptive parents "knew" her both her birth-mother and birth-father were, and they never told her. They died between 1899 and 1905, while she was 10 and 16.) (I'm told that WATROUS is a variation on WATERHOUSE.) When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I need to get away from my computer right now, but I just asked my hubby to remind me of 2 of his childhood stories. He had eye problems as a toddler and around Age 5 he started going to "Mass. Eye and Ear" in Boston. On the way home with his mother, they would stop for lunch, and he had his first taste of "french fries." He came from a poor family, for several reasons, but partly because both sets of his grandparents were immigrants. And, when he was about 10, his uncle built him a shoe-shine box, and he would sit on a Cambridge city-street. When he had made a dollar, he went into the "lunch counter" nearby and asked for "hot chocolate" and toast. The waitress spread something on his toast and he didn't know what it was. It was butter. He said at this home, they would take lard and color it, etc., and make oleo with it. Right at this second, neither one of us can remember the name of the "5 and 10" type store which was in Central Square. It had a "lunch counter" inside the store where you could sit and ask for coffee, or a sandwich and a soda, etc. I know about the "5 and 10's," and I know about the "Ben Franklin Store." But what was the name of the similar store? The store we're thinking of was still existing in New England up until about 5-10 years ago. He said there were other stores which had "lunch counters." He remembers "Gorin's." Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (My mother was an OK cook, but not great. There were 3 foods which she liked to cook for meals, which I did not like at all. "liver and onions," her version of "pea soup," and asparagus. I still don't like liver. But, as an adult, I tried "fresh asparagus" and liked it. I remembered she had always pulled asparagus out of a can. And, one day I tried "pea soup" in a restaurant, and discovered it wasn't so bad.) (Her mother was a great baker ! She was well-known for her home-made bread and rolls, etc. Because of genealogy, I found out she probably learned how to be a great baker at "The Temporary Home for Women and Children" in Boston. She was the grandmother who was twice-orphaned near Boston, and ended up at Age 10 in an orphanage, and then around 13 or 14 when to "The Temporary Home." She remained there until she was about 20.) (Her Adoptive parents told her she was a "foundling" on the steps of a church in Boston. I believe that was another "lie." I believe that they were her grandparents, and that their married in daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of 1888.") (For unknown reasons, my grandmother was given the name, Daisy WATROUS, at birth. At her adoption in 1892, her name was changed to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER. The only thing I can think of is that her birth-father was a WATROUS. Her Adoptive parents "knew" her both her birth-mother and birth-father were, and they never told her. They died between 1899 and 1905, while she was 10 and 16.) (I'm told that WATROUS is a variation on WATERHOUSE.)

Could it be Woolworth's???? AnnE in MN Hello, I need to get away from my computer right now, but I just asked my hubby to remind me of 2 of his childhood stories. He had eye problems as a toddler and around Age 5 he started going to "Mass. Eye and Ear" in Boston. On the way home with his mother, they would stop for lunch, and he had his first taste of "french fries." He came from a poor family, for several reasons, but partly because both sets of his grandparents were immigrants. And, when he was about 10, his uncle built him a shoe-shine box, and he would sit on a Cambridge city-street. When he had made a dollar, he went into the "lunch counter" nearby and asked for "hot chocolate" and toast. The waitress spread something on his toast and he didn't know what it was. It was butter. He said at this home, they would take lard and color it, etc., and make oleo with it. Right at this second, neither one of us can remember the name of the "5 and 10" type store which was in Central Square. It had a "lunch counter" inside the store where you could sit and ask for coffee, or a sandwich and a soda, etc. I know about the "5 and 10's," and I know about the "Ben Franklin Store." But what was the name of the similar store? The store we're thinking of was still existing in New England up until about 5-10 years ago. He said there were other stores which had "lunch counters." He remembers "Gorin's." Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (My mother was an OK cook, but not great. There were 3 foods which she liked to cook for meals, which I did not like at all. "liver and onions," her version of "pea soup," and asparagus. I still don't like liver. But, as an adult, I tried "fresh asparagus" and liked it. I remembered she had always pulled asparagus out of a can. And, one day I tried "pea soup" in a restaurant, and discovered it wasn't so bad.) (Her mother was a great baker ! She was well-known for her home-made bread and rolls, etc. Because of genealogy, I found out she probably learned how to be a great baker at "The Temporary Home for Women and Children" in Boston. She was the grandmother who was twice-orphaned near Boston, and ended up at Age 10 in an orphanage, and then around 13 or 14 when to "The Temporary Home." She remained there until she was about 20.) (Her Adoptive parents told her she was a "foundling" on the steps of a church in Boston. I believe that was another "lie." I believe that they were her grandparents, and that their married in daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of 1888.") (For unknown reasons, my grandmother was given the name, Daisy WATROUS, at birth. At her adoption in 1892, her name was changed to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER. The only thing I can think of is that her birth-father was a WATROUS. Her Adoptive parents "knew" her both her birth-mother and birth-father were, and they never told her. They died between 1899 and 1905, while she was 10 and 16.) (I'm told that WATROUS is a variation on WATERHOUSE.) When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, My hubby had an uncle in Cambridge, MA (US) who went out for a walk in the woods. He stopped and picked up some mushrooms and ate one. His uncle did not come home from his walk. I think it was the 1950's. And, there must have been more "open space" in Cambridge at that time. His other uncle suffered from Epilepsy, and he also died in the 1950's. .. And, sorry to hear on the news this morning that there was a "fatal" Tornado strike in Northern Ontario. I heard it on "The Weather Channel." http://www.weather.com/newscenter/topstories/todayinweather.html#canadatornado0710 And, someone on the Brooklyn, NY (US) List today mentioned the "fatal" Heat Wave in 1918. (I suffered through an official Heat Wave on a visit to EX's family in Brooklyn, ~1968-1970. He came from a poor family and lived in a tenement building; their apt. had 3 windows which opened into courtyards. And they had one, small fan. My last trip to Brooklyn was ~1975.) :o) And, my mother's grandfather was sitting at the table having dinner with his family, when he died while sitting there. I'll have to dig out his "death record," but I don't think it was a Stroke. I think it was an undiagnosed health problem. And I lost an uncle ~10 yrs. ago. He was 60 and was living in VA. He kept telling me on the phone he didn't feel well and blamed it on "allergies." Virginia-weather conditions. He didn't go to doctors; didn't like them. But his wife "insisted" that he go to a VA Hospital to be checked out. That night-- he died. The autopsy showed he had: undiagnosed cancer, undiagnosed heart disease, and undiagnosed lung disease. (All 3 diseases came down from his KIDDER ancestors along the Maine / New Brunswick border.) I used to know a lady in my town in the 1980's, during my single-parent days. She was sitting at the table with her husband and kids for Sunday dinner. Her husband "choked to death" - at the table. OOPS ... not a pleasant discussion, for a sunny morning in New England ! I should be talking about - taking a walk in the woods ! :o) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (I just heard that the "Cathedral of the Pines" in southern NH was affected by the "Ice Storm" of this Spring. A "good" place to take a walk in the woods.)

Hello, Just a quick note to mention that I found out there was another "glitch" in the system last week, and some postings were delayed in getting into the Digests. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator

HI Bety, The only two other 5 and 10 cent stores I remember are Newberries and Woolworths.  When I was small I remember that y Dad used to sometimes take me to the corner store and buy me pink wintergreen hard candies.  A nichol bought a large bag of them and I held them tightly in my hand all the way home sucking on them. Stil love them but today you get for $1.59 what I used to get for the nichol. Harriet Hello, I need to get away from my computer right now,  but I just asked my hubby to remind me of 2 of his childhood stories.     He had eye problems as a toddler and around Age 5 he started going to "Mass. Eye and Ear" in Boston. On the way home with his mother, they would stop for lunch, and he had his first taste of "french fries." He came from a poor family, for several reasons, but partly because both sets of his grandparents were immigrants.     And, when he was about 10, his uncle built him a shoe-shine box, and he would sit on a Cambridge city-street.   When he had made a dollar, he went into the "lunch counter" nearby and asked for "hot chocolate" and toast.   The waitress spread something on his toast and he didn't know what it was.   It was butter. He said at this home, they would take lard and color it, etc., and make oleo with it. Right at this second, neither one of us can remember the name of the  "5 and 10" type store which was in Central Square.    It had a "lunch counter" inside the store where you could sit and ask for coffee, or a sandwich and a soda, etc.      I know about the "5 and 10's," and I know about the "Ben Franklin Store."   But what was the name of the similar store?       The store we're thinking of was still existing in New England up until about 5-10 years ago. He said there were other stores which had "lunch counters."    He remembers "Gorin's." Betty          (near Lowell, MA, USA) List Administrator (My mother was an OK cook, but not great.    There were 3 foods which she liked to cook for meals, which I did not like at all.     "liver and onions,"  her version of "pea soup,"  and  asparagus.     I still don't like liver.   But, as an adult, I tried "fresh asparagus" and liked it.   I remembered she had always pulled asparagus out of a can.    And, one day I tried "pea soup" in a restaurant,  and discovered it wasn't so bad.) (Her mother was a great baker !     She was well-known for her home-made bread and rolls, etc.    Because of genealogy,  I found out she probably learned how to be a great baker at   "The Temporary Home for Women and Children" in Boston.     She was the grandmother who was twice-orphaned near Boston, and ended up at Age 10 in an orphanage, and then around 13 or 14 when to "The Temporary Home."    She remained there until she was about 20.) (Her Adoptive parents told her she was a "foundling" on the steps of a church in Boston.    I believe that was another "lie."    I believe that they were her grandparents, and that their married in daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the "summer of 1888.") (For unknown reasons, my grandmother was given the name, Daisy WATROUS, at birth.    At her adoption in 1892, her name was changed to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER.    The only thing I can think of is that her birth-father was a WATROUS.    Her Adoptive parents "knew"  her both her birth-mother and birth-father were,  and they never told her.    They died between 1899 and 1905, while she was 10 and 16.) (I'm told that WATROUS is a variation on WATERHOUSE.) When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I remember when our dad wrote to us, he could not put "xo" for hugs and kisses at the end of his letters. He explained in the letter that they were told not to because they thought it could be a code. Also, he had to use certain stationary that was photocopied and reduced before sent on. He was on the USS Silverstein. Paulette

My dad used to tell us about a sign in the window of a store. The sign said, "Ladies, Bring your fat cans in here." He laughed every time. Donna -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Judy Bingham I remember the grease in the coffee cans. From: Elsie Pykonen <elpyk@ncats.net> Also remember we saved and strained all grease from frying, etc, stored in cans and sold to the butcher shop for 5 cents/pound.  I think the old grease was used for munitions.

I recall in the 1940's I was about 13 and it was my job to wash out the empty cans and cut the bottoms off, put lids in can and step on them to squash flat. They were left periodically out on the curb and picked up "for the war effort." Now at 80 I am again washing out the cans and taking them to "recycling." Also remember we saved and strained all grease from frying, etc, stored in cans and sold to the butcher shop for 5 cents/pound. I think the old grease was used for munitions. Elsie in west MI

Quakers and other similar groups in the past didn't believe in taking oaths, signing official documents or having formal ceremonies so they did not always register their marriages with the local authorities or any group ( Their idea was that they always spoke the truth so written legal documents were unnecessary - God knew the details in any case so it didn't mater). Another popular custom was for a couple to live together for a year to see if they would make a "good fit". If things didn't work out they were free to part.. If they did or a child was born to them or on it's way they then considered married in any case. In the military and navy women serving on paid active duty in combat areas or at sea (3 women+ children per 100 men + any officers wives extra) were required to be married at all times. Widows were carried on the payroll for a short period after the loss of the husband but had to remarry very quickly often within 24 hours to remain with the men. It was only after the Crimean war that women and children were phased out of active service by most armies as it was considered "no place for a lady" by Victorian society. In the frontier society of North America marriage records may be easier to find in military files rather than civilian files. Up to about the 1830's only Anglican ministers could perform legal religious marriages in Ontario and since there were only 3-4 of them around at the time they were hard pressed to perform their duties. Most people simply did without or went to other denominations like the very popular Presbyterians and Methodists who did "unofficial" wedding ceremonies by the score for anyone. Nelson Denton

I remember the grease in the coffee cans -- and feel quite fortunate -- I have some of my grandmother's ration books.   Judy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Elsie Pykonen <elpyk@ncats.net> wrote: From: Elsie Pykonen <elpyk@ncats.net> Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] WWII rationing. To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:36 PM I recall in the 1940's I was about 13 and it was my job to wash out the empty cans and cut the bottoms off, put lids in can and step on them to squash flat.  They were left periodically out on the curb and picked up "for the war effort."  Now at 80 I am again washing out the cans and taking them to "recycling." Also remember we saved and strained all grease from frying, etc, stored in cans and sold to the butcher shop for 5 cents/pound.  I think the old grease was used for munitions. Elsie in west MI When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List,  I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !!    Please make sure there is a SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. To search the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION The information page is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is only recently that I heard about "irregular marriages" from someone in the U.K. of Scots birth. Had mentioned that a number of my ancestors seemed to be married a very short time prior to giving birth to their first child and also could not find marriages for two of my ancestors. For anyone wanting information on "irregular marriages" in Scotland see: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8397 Apparently these marriages were quite legal but the kirk (church) put pressure on couples to have a union blessed - which cost money. In North America, there were country marriages and handfasting. In earlier times, a minister or priest was not often that handy. Lauraine Lauraine > > From: "MASmith" <momsmith@fnwusers.com> > Date: 2009/07/09 Thu PM 06:37:22 CDT > To: <can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-USA-MIG] Marriages not Appreciated in past decades > > I think the "morality" standards are a lot more lax today than they used to > be.... and therefore, more kinds of marriages, arrangements, matches, etc. > are going on all the time. People are not as strict about what is "proper" > and what is to be banished as they used to be. > > Part of this may have come about because the guys in the service were sent > to all parts of the world with different customs, etc. and brought back > wives who were not completely versed in "our way of life." (For better or > worse!!) And part of it is because there are no longer all the strict > laws, morals, "proper" actions, etc. that there used to be. We have come a > long way since Victorian times.........but if you really know a lot about > what "went on" in those times, you'd probably realize that not all people > really lived up to them at the time, even!!! > > Just my "take" on the subject..........right or wrong? > > mas > > -----Original Message----- > From: can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:can-usa-migration-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:07 AM > To: can-usa-migration@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CAN-USA-MIG] Marriages not Appreciated in past decades > > Hello, > > Both of my parents had a much younger brother, both of whom were born on > "Valentine's Day." Both born in 1930's. My father's younger, > half-brother, joined the Army either during or right after high school. As > > many other soldiers did, he ended up in Germany. He met a young lady > there and they fell in love. He brought her back to the US, and I think > they married here. He was only 10 years older than me. So I have an > aunt who is only 6 yrs. older than me. I don't remember there being any > "discussions" in my father's family about having a lady born in Germany in > their family. > > Over to my mother's younger brother, he also joined the Army - even before > he graduated. While in the Army, he met a young lady in MA, and they fell > > in love and wanted to marry. But, horrors, she was a "divorcee" and worse > than that, she had - a child. There were many "discussions" about this > situation. Both my uncle and his wife had a nice wedding but both were > hurt by all the "discussions" and they became partly estranged from the > family because of it ! That was the 1950's ! They were an "Army > family" and moved to many states. And I don't think I've seen this uncle > and aunt since the 1960's; they didn't even come home for the parents' > funerals. They had a daughter of their own, and then adopted a son. > I've never met their son. > > Cousins will be cousins, and we tried to keep in touch with the 2 daughters. > > Some cousins traveled to their home for vacations. Last summer one of the > > daughters surprised all of us at our annual "cousins get-together" - when > she flew up from a southern state to attend the cookout ! She was the > daughter from her mother's first marriage, and she was made to feel "family" > > last summer, and she really appreciated it. > > My parents came from 2, different kinds of families. One with a lot of > "pride" and one with - not quite so much. > > "Proper Bostonians" were not always in MA/US. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > (We know a man who fathered a child while in the Army and in Germany. We > don't know the circumstances, but he came back and married here and had > children with his wife. As it turned out? Both daughters ended up with > > the same first-name - unbeknownst to him.) > > > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find > it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT > from the post you are responding to !! Please make sure there is a > SURNAME or place-name in the Subject. > > To search the archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CAN-USA-MIGRATION > The information page is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/CAN-USA-MIGRATION.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-USA-MIGRATION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When you want to respond to a query or comment posted on this List, I find it MUCH easier to post a new message -- remembering to include the SUBJECT from the post you are responding to !! 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Women also went to work in munition factories during WWI -- I've seen documentrys of French women doing just that. However, I think it wasn't until after WWII the role of working gals changed as dramatically as you describe.