Looking for clues to ships, possibly military ships from Ireland or Wales circa 1800. Lt. Richard Bullock and wife, Jane (English) Bullock married in Affane, Waterford County, Ireland in 1797 at that time Lt. Richard Bullock was in the His Majesty's Welsh 41st afoot Regiment from Wales. They came to Canada's east coast with three children from a former marriage. They had one child in Quebec in 1804 and they traveled around with the unit in Canada ending up in Carrying Place, Ontario to retire after the War of 1812. I do not know where to start looking for ships this early to Canada. I have read that ships this early did not require manifests but I thought it might be different with military ships landing in Canada. Any help would be appreciated, Merriam White Missouri, USA merriam@kc.rr.com
On 7 May 2002 at 1:35, Merriam White wrote: > Looking for clues to ships, possibly military ships from Ireland > or Wales circa 1800. Lt. Richard Bullock and wife, Jane > (English) Bullock married in Affane, Waterford County, Ireland > in 1797 at that time Lt. Richard Bullock was in the His > Majesty's Welsh 41st afoot Regiment from Wales. They came to > Canada's east coast with three children from a former marriage. > They had one child in Quebec in 1804 and they traveled around > with the unit in Canada ending up in Carrying Place, Ontario to > retire after the War of 1812. > > I do not know where to start looking for ships this early to > Canada. I have read that ships this early did not require > manifests but I thought it might be different with military > ships landing in Canada. > Merriam This is a fascinating topic , but sadly one I know little of (military immigration via sea) However, I did a quick check on your behalf in the online PRO catalogue and I think you should read their section on Transport Department Records (ADM 108 and MT 23 ) These relate collectively to the transport by sea of military forces to various parts of the world 1773-1917. http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/DisplayCatDetailsGoto.asp?CATREF=ADM +108&ACCESSMETHOD=6 and http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/DisplayCatDetailsGoto.asp?CATREF=MT+ 23&ACCESSMETHOD=6 If you can't get to the two URLs by this method, start at http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ExternalRequest.asp?RequestReference =ri2272 It's still a 2 line URL. You can't click on it. You copy and paste BOTH lines (no spaces!!) into your browser location bar and hit ENTER. I hope you can find the records you want. Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net
http://ils.unc.edu/maritime/home.shtml http://ils.unc.edu/maritime/shiprsrch.shtml http://www.port.nmm.ac.uk/research/research.html Research Guide No. B7: The Royal Navy: Ship Records then, http://www.port.nmm.ac.uk/research/b1.html then, Reference numbers given in italics refer to the Museums Library index. The full Library index can also be found on http://www.nmm.ac.uk Steel's Navy List - editions spanning 1787-1816. Incomplete run, but printed as frequently as monthly. Lists officers, ships and establishments including officers of Sea Fencibles before 1810. Miscellaneous intelligence reports, vessels captured, prize money awards. http://www.port.nmm.ac.uk/research/a3.html Tracing Family History from Maritime Records How about finding that 'official navy business' transporting army property (the Bullock family) on a naval ship via the records. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Merriam White [mailto:merriam@kc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:35 AM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Bullock, Richard and Jane Looking for clues to ships, possibly military ships from Ireland or Wales circa 1800. Lt. Richard Bullock and wife, Jane (English) Bullock married in Affane, Waterford County, Ireland in 1797 at that time Lt. Richard Bullock was in the His Majesty's Welsh 41st afoot Regiment from Wales. They came to Canada's east coast with three children from a former marriage. They had one child in Quebec in 1804 and they traveled around with the unit in Canada ending up in Carrying Place, Ontario to retire after the War of 1812. I do not know where to start looking for ships this early to Canada. I have read that ships this early did not require manifests but I thought it might be different with military ships landing in Canada. Any help would be appreciated, Merriam White Missouri, USA merriam@kc.rr.com ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search ships passenger lists to Canada from 1800 to 1820 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp02.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
At 01:35 AM 07/05/2002 -0500, Merriam White wrote: >Looking for clues to ships, possibly military ships from Ireland or Wales >circa 1800. Lt. Richard Bullock and wife, Jane (English) Bullock married in >Affane, Waterford County, Ireland in 1797 at that time Lt. Richard Bullock >was in the His Majesty's Welsh 41st afoot Regiment from Wales. They came to >Canada's east coast with three children from a former marriage. They had one >child in Quebec in 1804 and they traveled around with the unit in Canada >ending up in Carrying Place, Ontario to retire after the War of 1812. > >I do not know where to start looking for ships this early to Canada. I have >read that ships this early did not require manifests but I thought it might >be different with military ships landing in Canada. > >Any help would be appreciated, > >Merriam White >Missouri, USA >merriam@kc.rr.com Merriam, Usually the newspapers of the time were good at recording the coming and going of the military. However, it was usually only the regiment that was mentioned and some of the officers. For example, in 1817 the Quebec Gazette recorded the arrival of the Brig Retrieve with 143 officers and men of the 2d batt. 60th regt. and also the Queen with 201 officers and men of the 2d batt. 60th regt. Regards.. Marjorie Kohli Waterloo, ON Canada http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/
Ms. White, I am on a number of lists and this information came from the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com which I archived in my files. I keep every post from every list so I can refer back to them for just this type of situation....and you can find this post made on Thu 12/6/2001 11:06 AM in the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION archives...This website was/is posted on the internet. Could this be your man? If it is, there is someone else looking for a piece of the puzzle. Rhonda Houston An address helps ...... http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~british41st/41stregt_deserters.htm ***Bullock, John - October 5, 1813 Thames September 8, 1814 He is listed as the 26th soldier down the website. As a researcher of the British 41st Regiment of Foot of which my 4th Great Grandfather was a member for 18 years (15 in Canada 1799-1815), I have found many members that deserted and more than likely settled in the US. Many of the men were captured in the War of 1812 and the Americans actively offered bounties to these men to desert. Also, at the end of this page is a list I found of men who applied to settle in Canada after the War of 1812 who served with the 41st Regiment of Foot. There are others who settled in Canada after the War of 1812, William Molesworth, who was discharged in Ireland in 1817 and came back to join his family and settled in Perth, Lanark County, Ontario & James Worthington, who was discharged in 1823 in Madras, India and made his way back to Chippawa, Ontario. These men were professional soldiers and signed up for a minimum of 5 years, well trained and drilled, not like the former laborers, shopkeepers, etc. that made up the American Army in the beginning of the War. One man that I found that died while in service of the 41st Regiment was 64 years old! Some had even fought for the British Army in the American Revolution 30 years before. Did they then enlist in the American Army after desertion? Did they get land grants as incentives? I don't know. That is for other geneologist to find out. This list is simply a ways and means to find the ancestor that you have been unable to find his arrival in the United States or Canada. Couldn't find his name on a passenger list? No wonder, it wouldn't be something bragged about to the grandkids. On the date of desertion, if it is late 1814, this more than likely was when they were released from Prison Camp. A soldier had quite a bit of time in prison and then the long walk to Canada to decide if they wanted the life of a soldier for the rest of their life or a new lease on life. An officer of the 41st, (John Richardson) told the tale of when he was touring the midwest later in life, meeting a former British soldier that simply walked away and now owned a small store in Ohio. Almost all of these men were held either in Greenbush, New York or in Chillicothe, Ohio. If there is no date of capture then the man simply walked away from where ever he was posted. 85% of these men also had only been in the British Army for 2-3 years with 27 that had been in over 10 years. This site also stands as notice that I'm looking for any information on soldiers who served in the 41st Regiment of Foot while in the Canadas. Be careful in the spelling as some names on the muster lists are spelled differently from time to time, i.e. Stewart, Stuart or Skelton, Sheldon, Shelton. Hope you find that piece of that puzzle!! Tod L. Molesworth Avoca, Michigan USA 4th Great Grandson of William Molesworth Drummer, 41st Regiment of Foot 1798-1817 26thalabama@ameritech -----Original Message----- From: Merriam White [mailto:merriam@kc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:35 AM To: Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Bullock, Richard and Jane Looking for clues to ships, possibly military ships from Ireland or Wales circa 1800. Lt. Richard Bullock and wife, Jane (English) Bullock married in Affane, Waterford County, Ireland in 1797 at that time Lt. Richard Bullock was in the His Majesty's Welsh 41st afoot Regiment from Wales. They came to Canada's east coast with three children from a former marriage. They had one child in Quebec in 1804 and they traveled around with the unit in Canada ending up in Carrying Place, Ontario to retire after the War of 1812. I do not know where to start looking for ships this early to Canada. I have read that ships this early did not require manifests but I thought it might be different with military ships landing in Canada. Any help would be appreciated, Merriam White Missouri, USA merriam@kc.rr.com ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search ships passenger lists to Canada from 1800 to 1820 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp02.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237