Hi Lisa, Marj has been madly typing in the 1857 stuff in ALL her spare time (joke) but instead of waiting for her to finish, I have put up what has been completed, up to June 10th 1857 information. No ship named HOPE mentioned yet. 1857 is listed here at the top, under *new* http://theshipslist.com/ Even with no HOPE mentioned yet, there is a LOT of fascinating stuff in this newspaper. The Telegraph, Photography, Discussion of whether Cunard or the Montreal Company (Allan Line) would prevail to Quebec, Through-Ticketing of Immigrants (contract ticketing, which involved ship and rail to destination), Ads, Rail Disasters, just to name a few. Cabin Passengers are listed, from/to Quebec and Portland and including those sailing eastbound to Liverpool. Tomorrow, names will be searchable using the search-box, as we are indexed every night. Sue -- At 09:14 AM 2002-08-09 -0700, Lisa Conrad wrote: >Sue, and List: > >I was very excited to learn that you may be posting newspaper accounts & >info for the year 1857, for Quebec and surrounds, resembling the excellent >info found at >< http://theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/Canada1856.htm > > > >I am trying to find, at the least, the dates of sailings of the HOPE for the >year 1857, inbound and outbound for Quebec. The HOPE traded between Scotland >and Quebec. In a little biographical sketch from "History of Milwaukee, >Wisconsin", published in 1881, there is a bit of information that states >that my gg-granddad [surname Budge] "commenced his career as a sailor in the >HOPE, which traded between Scotland and Quebec." > >He emigrated from So. Ronaldsay, Orkney, in the year 1857. Since this >"commencing of his career as a sailor" begain coincident with the >approximate year of his emigration to North America (he settled first in >Oswego, NY), it is highly probable that he emigrated AS a sailor, not as a >passenger (though this is guesswork) and maybe emigrated on the ship HOPE, >but continuing to work on that ship for a while, till he gained more skills. >He eventually became a ship's captain in the Coasting Trade, on the Great >Lakes. > >I know the chances are low that crew lists for inbound/outbound ships were >notated within the local Canadian newspapers, so my expectations are so far >that I will only find at least some way to know all the dates of the >sailings of that ship, HOPE, to Scotland, and back to Quebec, from its first >sailing that year (1857), to its last. > >Maybe I may be able to find out more on this when the URL for the year 1857 >regarding Quebec newspaper transcripts, is posted on TheShipsList site. >Does anyone else have any other suggestions? >I do know that HOPE is listed in Guillet's book "The Great Migration"-- but >I do not have the book, and do not know exactly what it information it may >have for me regarding this ship. If anyone on the list has this book, could >you look up what it has on the ship HOPE, for year 1857? > >Many thanks, in advance, >Lisa Conrad -- >< http://home.earthlink.net/~southronaldsay/ >

Sue- This is great news... I am so glad you have even partial data so far for year 1857, because I have been, of course, looking into other possibilities, too, for the ship my Orcadian ancestor may have emigrated on. (This is not a new search for me, only one of those brick walls that I've been hitting at for a few years.) Thank you, Sue and Marj for everything you work so hard to do! I have been reading through what is up so far on your site for 1857, and it re-emphasizes some info for which I already have notes. One of my bigger leads, of *several* possiblities for emigrant ships (before I came across the Milwaukee blurb on the ship HOPE, and hence got distracted), has been the Aberdeen steamer, the CITY OF QUEBEC. This is because there is specific mention of about 100 Orkney emigrants being on board. And not only in your Quebec newspapers. I have actually gone to Orkney (again, So. Ronaldsay is where my gg-granddad hails from), and searched through microfilms at the Orkney Library of the newspaper, The Orcadian, for potential emigrant ships that sailed "to America" from Orkney/or Scotland, or had connections with Orkney, in the year 1857. The CITY OF QUEBEC is one of those ships mentioned in the newspaper, The Orcadian. In fact, it has quite an interesting tidbit... ~~from: The Orcadian, Mon. May 4th, 1857; Pg.4,Col.4--"The CITY OF QUEBEC - passed through the Pentland Firth upon April 19; the CITY OF QUEBEC, Tulloch, of & from Aberdeen, for Quebec, with emigrants, all well. This was ascertained by some Orkney emigrants that were on board writing some letters to their friends attaching same to a piece of wood, & throwing them overboard. They drifted ashore upon the island of Swanna [sic] (Pentland Firth) same evening. Some of the letters were quite dry..." In case some of you do not know Orkney, So. Ronaldsay is the southernmost Orkney island, separated from Caithness by the Pentland Firth; and the island of Swona is nearby. This little story was quite uncanny---but it may or may not be a clue to the ship my ancestor emigrated on. At any rate, Sue, your recent update for 1857 also lists this steamer, naturally....(for those interested, do a Search-Find for 'City of Quebec' on the link http://theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/Canada1857.htm), again mentioning the Orkney emigrants! But it also, down the page, gives me a date when it supposedly arrived in Quebec's harbor, with the Orcadians, I assume! "The following vessels had arrived:- [Quebec] On the26th April, the Queen of the Lakes and the Montreal, both from Liverpool, and the St. Lawrence from the Clyde; on the 1st May, the Kjolner from Norway, the Anglesea and Caledonia from Liverpool, and the City of Quebec from Glasgow;..." Perhaps my ancestor came in on a steamer, to Quebec, liked the sailing, and decided to start work on a ship of some sort out of Quebec, and we may find the HOPE (probably a schooner) popping up in our line of sight post-May 1st, sailing back and forth to a port in Scotland. Please let me know when you and Marj are done transcribing 1857! And if anyone knows of any passengers lists for Rokney emigrants for the steamer CITY OF QUEBEC arriving in Quebec on May 1st, 1857, please email me. What is interesting, also, is that one of the schooners my ancestor sailed on at least by the year 1860 (as a mate), on the Great Lakes, is found laid up for the winter, in the Milwaukee port, in 1857. The other thing that that little blurb in the "History of Milwaukee, Wisconsin" book mentioned about my gg-granddad, was that it (the book) claimed he came to Milwaukee in 1857 (although other family data indicates he came to *Oswego* in 1857, where he eventually Naturalized as a US citizen, got married, and et cetera). Sorry for rambling on. I guess I do so in the hopes that someone out there may have some more tidbits of potential information for me. I am still fitting the puzzle pieces together! Thanks for "listening," Everyone! Lisa Conrad -- < http://home.earthlink.net/~southronaldsay/ >