Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not required here prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for the ship and list for the year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly England? I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate to Canada in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the family in 1865. The ship list for those sailing in 1865 aboard the SS Peruvian is available. I would appreciate any assistance offered. Thanks very much Bill Guelph On. Can.

On 14 Jul 2002 at 14:22, William John Limebeer wrote: > Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that > ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. > > My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not > required here prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for > the ship and list for the year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly > England? > > I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate > to Canada in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the > family in 1865. The ship list for those sailing in 1865 aboard > the SS Peruvian is available. > William I have an article online that may be of help to you (Immigration Records for Canada Before 1865) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml While you are quite correct in that manifests were not a requirement prior to 1865 there are some Canadian records you can consult. For example The Hawke collection spans the years from 1831 until 1892 and includes letterbooks of Hawke and his successor, J.A. Donaldson, registers of immigrants who came to the attention of the emigrant office, financial records, and two reports of inspection of child immigrants. It is held at the Ontario Archives. I have microfilm numbers for some very specific immigration schemes to Canada in my article listed above. As well there are some shipping company records held in Ireland, for example those of the J&J Cooke Shipping Agency. Records of passengers can be found in D.2892/1/1-14 Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents. Sailings from Londonderry to Philadelphia, Quebec, St. John, New Brunswick, 1847-71 (see also MIC.13) in the PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE of NORTHERN IRELAND I have some of the ships from the J&J Cooke records online on Olive Tree - see Irish Ships at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/irish_index.shtml or Ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml Lorine Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

This email is addressed to William John Limebeer whose email I nolonger have, who is seeking "a ship list for a ship that ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864". According to "Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871: Lists of Passengers Sailing from Londonderry to America on Ships of the J. & J. Cook Line and the McCorkell Line" compiled under the direction of Brian Mitchell ISBN# 0806312068 lists a ship named the "Doctor Kane" in 1864, whose destination was to Quebec. The usual manner in Ireland, was for ships' captains not to keep passenger lists because it wasn't a requirement, however lists that survive owe their existance instead to the ship owners, who kept them for business reasons. The port of Londonderry have two series of list/shipping lists of J. & J. Cooke, 1847-1867, and William McCorkell & Co. 1863-1871. What these original passenger lists show is the passenger name, the passenger's residence, and age. The spelling of Leighton may be different than it is today, as the spellings of where each passenger lived is spelled differently today. A comparable reference book by Brian Mitchell called "Irish Passenger Lists 1803-1806 ISBN# 0806314583 explains what population of the Irish were actually allowed to leave the United Kingdom of Grate Britain and Ireland, and why the Government was hostile to and withdrew and denied permission for a few potential Irish passengers who wanted to emigrate. All this information was contained within what the British call the "Hardwicke Papers" which the author, Brian Mitchell, believes predates any custom passenger lists which record the arrival of immigrants at North American ports from 1820, which are presently held by the British Library in London. Mr. Limebeer, You might very well find the listing of this family in two places within Brian Mitchell's first book mentioned. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze [mailto:otg@csolve.net] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 5:13 PM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Re: Ship list- Ireland to Quebec 1864 On 14 Jul 2002 at 14:22, William John Limebeer wrote: > Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that > ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. > > My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not > required here prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for > the ship and list for the year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly > England? > > I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate > to Canada in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the > family in 1865. The ship list for those sailing in 1865 aboard > the SS Peruvian is available. > William I have an article online that may be of help to you (Immigration Records for Canada Before 1865) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml While you are quite correct in that manifests were not a requirement prior to 1865 there are some Canadian records you can consult. For example The Hawke collection spans the years from 1831 until 1892 and includes letterbooks of Hawke and his successor, J.A. Donaldson, registers of immigrants who came to the attention of the emigrant office, financial records, and two reports of inspection of child immigrants. It is held at the Ontario Archives. I have microfilm numbers for some very specific immigration schemes to Canada in my article listed above. As well there are some shipping company records held in Ireland, for example those of the J&J Cooke Shipping Agency. Records of passengers can be found in D.2892/1/1-14 Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents. Sailings from Londonderry to Philadelphia, Quebec, St. John, New Brunswick, 1847-71 (see also MIC.13) in the PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE of NORTHERN IRELAND I have some of the ships from the J&J Cooke records online on Olive Tree - see Irish Ships at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/irish_index.shtml or Ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml Lorine Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search ships passenger lists to Canada from 1820 to 1850 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp03.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237