On 14 Jul 2002 at 14:22, William John Limebeer wrote: > Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that > ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. > > My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not > required here prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for > the ship and list for the year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly > England? > > I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate > to Canada in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the > family in 1865. The ship list for those sailing in 1865 aboard > the SS Peruvian is available. > William I have an article online that may be of help to you (Immigration Records for Canada Before 1865) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml While you are quite correct in that manifests were not a requirement prior to 1865 there are some Canadian records you can consult. For example The Hawke collection spans the years from 1831 until 1892 and includes letterbooks of Hawke and his successor, J.A. Donaldson, registers of immigrants who came to the attention of the emigrant office, financial records, and two reports of inspection of child immigrants. It is held at the Ontario Archives. I have microfilm numbers for some very specific immigration schemes to Canada in my article listed above. As well there are some shipping company records held in Ireland, for example those of the J&J Cooke Shipping Agency. Records of passengers can be found in D.2892/1/1-14 Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents. Sailings from Londonderry to Philadelphia, Quebec, St. John, New Brunswick, 1847-71 (see also MIC.13) in the PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE of NORTHERN IRELAND I have some of the ships from the J&J Cooke records online on Olive Tree - see Irish Ships at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/irish_index.shtml or Ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml Lorine Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

The following article is from a New Brunswick site and refers to The Demerest on which my great grandfather was a passenger. There doesn't appear to be any available information regarding the 23 passengers and crew who were rescued, nor do I find this ship listed anywhere. Query: - If The Demerest was destined for NY, but passengers arrived in NB - where would one look for records and/or information? Would passengers from Demerest be included with the Falcon's? All help would be greatly appreciated. Doreen ARTICLE: An entry in The Ships List, 1847 states: "From Lloyd's List - May 14, 1847: 'From New York, April 20th - The Demerest, Captain Dunker, from Sligo to New York was abandoned 21st ult. in a sinking state in lat 43, long. 39. Crew and passengers saved." >From St. John, NB: "The Falcon, Captain Whyttecombe arrived from Limerick on April 13th, 1847." >From New Brunswick Courier, Saturday, April 17th, 1847: "Tuesday: The Barque Falcon, Captain Whyttecombe, Limerick, 45, owner John Robertson, entered in ballast. On the 21st March fell in with the wreck on the brig Demerest, Captain Bourke from Sligo to New York in a sinking state, having on the morning of the 19th at 2 a.m., lat. 42.57 long. 39.30W while under close reefed topsails, during a sudden hurrican, been hove upon her beam ends the main mast going by the board and carrying away her pumps, and the foremast breaking in three pieces - once below the deck - the stern post also being started and the vessel leaking fast. About noon on the 19th got clear of the wreck of the masts which until that time had been striking the vessel very heavily so as to cause her to make a great quantity of water, rigged the jibbom for a jurymast, but finding the vessel unmanageable and in a sinking state, the rudder being adrift, the master and the crew resolved to abandon her and with the passengers, in all 23 in number, were taken on board the Falcon. The Falcon cleared St. John on May 4th for Bristol with timber and deals."

> My ancestor Jacques Boos was born in Alsace and immigrated between 1828-1837. He was > in Buffalo, NY at one point but by 1845 was in Ontario... I dont know if > he came first to Canada or USA... Can anyone give me advice on where to > search ??

On 3 Jul 2002 at 20:25, Jmpat737@aol.com wrote: > Dear Shipslisters > I am searching for information on the immigration of James > Patton and Martha Perry for the period 1853-55. They immigrated > from County Donegal, Ireland to Simcoe County Ontario with their > four children; Francis b1845, James b1847, Anne b1849 and Sarah > b1851. Dear Jim You don't say where in Simcoe County this family settled, so I can't help with specifics but I did take a look in some land records, namely the CLRI. (Computerized Land Records Index). Land records are very useful. Originally all land in Ontario belonged to the Crown. Although there were small areas of settlement in 1763 after the British took over, major settlement of Upper Canada began in 1783 and utilized Crown Grants. The CLRI is an index which summarizes land grants from sales of of Crown Land in Ontario, from Canada Company sales and leases, and from Peter Robinson settlers' grants. It provides invaluable clues for further research! Given the early settlement time period, there is a very good chance your James will be found there. Most settlers bought land soon after arrival, although of course there were exceptions to this - some lived with family previously settled, others had no urgent need for land (a blacksmith didn't need land as urgently as a farmer for example) Getting back to the CLRI, it only shows the first time owner of Crown Land so if your ancestor purchased land from someone else his/her name will not show on this index but it is still a very useful tool. Not only does it provide you with exact location (township, lot #, conc. #) it provides you with a date of transaction, whether or not there were special circumstances surrounding the transaction (a free grant, a hardship grant, a military grant, etc), and it provides you with an Archival Reference number. This AR number can provide more detail; often it does not but it is still a stone that should be turned. With a date of transaction you have narrowed the field for immigration. :-) Beyond that the value of the CLRI is in the interpretation of the one line index entry -- which can lead you to other avenues of research. I have a more detailed explanation of the CLRI and other land records in Ontario on my site under my ONTARIO RESEARCH section. Go to http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/land.shtml and http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml Now - back to your James Patton! I had a look in the CLRI and found several references to James Patton settling in various townships in Simcoe County. There were too many to copy here but let me give you one as an example of what you will learn. If you can give me a township or town/village where James settled, I'll see if one of the many I found could be yours. For instance I found reference to James Patton purchasing land in Orillia in 1857; Kempenfelt in 1856; 3 entries for Innisfil 1853 and 1854 and 2 entries for Tay in 1853 and 1854. Here is one of the Tay entries so you can see how the CLRI works and how you interpret it: First, the fields of entry are: Name of Locatee/ Residence/ Township, Town or City/ Lot/ Concession/ Date ID/ Issue Date/ Transaction Type/. Type FG/ Type of Lease or Sale/ Archival Reference James Patton/ -- / Tay / 19/ 3 / 4/ 18530318/ L / -- /--/ CCB3034497 Translation: James Patton, no residence given, leased land on Conc. 3, Lot 19 in Tay Township Simcoe County on 18 March 1853. This was a Canada Company transaction and more information can be found in the Canada Company fonds at the Ontario Archives, specifically in Volume 34 on page 497 You will therefore want to consult Canada Company Sale & Lease files 1780-1920 (F 129, on MS 729, 8 reels) Since it was a Canada Company transaction you should also consult their Applications for Deeds 1827-1949 (Series B-3), Registers of Wills 1826- 1920, Power of Attorney files 1826-1926 (Series A-7-1), Burial Certificates 1842-1923 and their Remittance Books (Series C-7, Vols. 1-4) listing overseas names and addresses to whom money was sent. Go to my pages at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml Read my information on the CLRI and where to get the next set of records. Then use the conversion tables I have linked to, to provide you with an exact microfilm reel number(s). Once you have the exact land location for your ancestor (lot, conc #, township and county) you can venture into more records such as the Abstract Indexes to Deeds and Township papers, which can contain a wealth of genealogical treasure! However since this list is really for immigration, I won't get into that as it's a bit too far off topic :-) Please let me know if you have details re your James Patton. I live in Simcoe County and would be happy to check a few sources for you. Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

Dear Shipslisters I am searching for information on the immigration of James Patton and Martha Perry for the period 1853-55. They immigrated from County Donegal, Ireland to Simcoe County Ontario with their four children; Francis b1845, James b1847, Anne b1849 and Sarah b1851. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Jim Patton Glendale Az

I am trying to locate information about a boy who may have come as a passenger on an Irish ship in 1847. His name was John McDonough/McDonald and we was born about 1843. Is any of this information available?

Is there any list of Shipwrecks approaching Canada and Quebec, I note that many ships were wrecked or stranded at St. Pauls Island which I believe is on the route to the Port Of Quebec? Patricia.

Hi all: This is my first posting to this list. I am trying to locate the port and arrival vessel for my g/g/granparents and their family. The information I have comes from the 1901 Canadian Census and is as follows: Charles and Emma HUNTLEY with between 3 and 5 children in tow. They emigrated from Trowbridge, Wiltshire in southwest England in either 1855 or 1856, depending on who is more accurate, the father or the eldest daughter. If there is no way to track them down from Canada's point of view is there corresponding documentation from England covering the period in question? Thanks for listening, Dan Huntley researching HUNTLEY; WALKER - England DALY; HICKEY; O'CONNELL - Ireland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/02

Would the lister from Winnipeg, that sent me the 1881 cenus of the Galley Family a few days ago, please contact me. I lost your e-mail. Thanks Jim

Updates of Ships Passenger Lists on Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ **NEW!** http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/pa_hartford1847.shtml Hartford 1847 Ireland to Philadelphia PA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/can_helent1847.shtml Helen Thompson 1847 Ireland to Quebec Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/can_napier1847.shtml Charles Napier 1847 Ireland to St. John New Brunswick Index of Ships from Ireland (by year of departure) is at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/fromirep06.shtml Index of Ships to USA (by year of arrival) is at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_index.shtml You can also search by port of arrival from this same page. Scroll down the page to the menu choices arranged alphabetically by state. Duchfour to Quebec Canada 1836 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/can_duchfour.shtml Index of Ships to Canada (by year of arrival) is at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml To search most Free Ships Passenger Lists on the 'net, use my custom search engines. Search Ships to USA at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml Search Ships to Australia & New Zealand at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml Search Ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

July 2 I have ggrandparents who came form Ireland with six children circa. At a Genealogy meeting this weekend I was advised they more than likely came from Liverpool I am able to trace only one of those children but more important I have gone through many lists of ships with no success. I have to guess they arrived circa 1837-49. That is a guess from the age of a grandson who became one of your Senators. His mother was one of the children. Any help or direction anyone can give will be most welcome. I might be able to check out some item at the NY State Genealogy Library in the Capital of NYState, Albany. Thank you. GYager

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To the person looking for George M. Chipperfield/ look in the Ontario, Canada 1871 census online at www.archives.ca. There are two of them listed, perhaps they or at least one of them is who you are looking for. Born 1810. G.B.

On 30 Jun 2002 at 10:25, abellraven wrote: > Hi List, > Looking for my family coming to Canada from Ireland. ELIZABETH > DUKELOW and YOUNG DALEY (not sure if married at this point) came > in 1839. Believe other DUKELOW came at same time but not sure, > possibly even earlier. Initially they settle in the Ogdensburg > P.Q./Prescott area of Ontario. Do not know which port they > landed at. I believe the spelling DUCKLOW was given to this > branch of the family by misspelling by a port official and it > stuck!! So on ship's list the spelling could have been DUKELOW > or DUCKLOW. Any ship information most gratefully received!!! > April in BC > Hi April Have you tried the InGeneas databases? I have a search engine online that searches both of them - the free one and the pay- for-details one. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml Using wildcards and using Da%l%y as a keyword, I had 680 hits in one, and 47 in the second. I didn't look to see if your first names of interest were there (a bit too many to quickly go through!) but you might want to do so. Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

In 1829 there is a marriage record for William Baker and Sarah Thrope both from Ireland. They were married Anglican Marriage records Trinity Church Saint John New Brunswick. Has any one on the list seen either of these people. I think that Sarah THROPE would be an easier person to track or notice in a ships list. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you Helen

This is a listing that I found in Notary Archibald Campbell's greffe. It reads, in part, as follows: "...On this sixth day of June one thousand, eight hundred and thirty six:... appeared William Johns, commander of the ship Dochfour of Bristol and the undersigned steerage passengers on board ... the said vessel, which the said William Johns...for the use...of the said steerage passengers, by the overseers of the parishes by whom the said steerage passengers were sent out; and the said several passengers, whose names, marks, and signatures are hereunto affixed so hereby acknowledge to have received the several sums of money.... T.O.C Farly John Maton Henry? Weeks, his mark George Spredberg, his mark James Bishop, his mark John Maggs, his mark James Keel, his mark Samuel Strong, his mark Benj Spredburg, his mark David Thomas, his mark Signature illegible: C. Leferadlelry? Henry Ranger, his mark Edwd Holloway, his mark Willm Ranger, his mark Herman Spradbury, his mark William Leach George Albert, his mark Isaac Phillimore, his mark John Kite, his mark Charles Hutchins, his mark Geo. Rowley, his mark Thos. Rowley, his mark John Mitchell Giles Collins, his mark Thos. Rnirgie?, his mark These are steerage passenger names that appeared in document no. 7104, Notary Archibald Campell, Quebec City, Microfilm no. M173/175, Archives nationales du Québec. It is very rare to find such a document amongst the notarial documents. I hope that it helps someone. Should you wish to see the actual document, send a request for a photocopy to the ANQ, Quebec City. Marjorie Goodfellow e-mail: marjorie@abacom.com 2820, chemin Des Écossais Sherbrooke QC J1H 5H1 Canada

Hi List, Looking for my family coming to Canada from Ireland. ELIZABETH DUKELOW and YOUNG DALEY (not sure if married at this point) came in 1839. Believe other DUKELOW came at same time but not sure, possibly even earlier. Initially they settle in the Ogdensburg P.Q./Prescott area of Ontario. Do not know which port they landed at. I believe the spelling DUCKLOW was given to this branch of the family by misspelling by a port official and it stuck!! So on ship's list the spelling could have been DUKELOW or DUCKLOW. Any ship information most gratefully received!!! April in BC

Hello Researchers, Can I post my interest: I am searching for the Chipperfield family who left Suffolk 1829 - 1833. Two brothers: John Chipperfield, born 1800. with a new wife (Lydia Girdlestone) . I do not know if there were any children born of this marriage. George Mark Chipperfield born 1810. By 1837 both brothers were landholders in Ontario; George married Catherine Rindress in Ontario 1833. I am hoping to find their names and the ships name; I had expected that they would have left from one of the East Coast ports: Yarmouth, Lowestoft, Ipswich - but have found nothing yet. Can you help please? Gordon Smith in Norfolk, England.

Thanks to the alertness of Sue Swiggum, I found my Ashby Family that I posted yesterday. Thanks very much,I have been searching for that one for a long time. Now I would like to post my GALLEY FAMILY. I estimate that my Gr GR grandparents arrived in Canada from Poplar,Middlesex,England about 1865,1866. They settled in Niagara Falls, Ontario. They are as follows. EDWARD JOHN GALLEY & WIFE ELIZA OR MAYBE ELIZABETH. CHILDREN WERE. HANNAH 1857 ALICE LOUISA B 1860 WM JOHN B 1862 -my gr grandfather ALFRED JAMES B MAY 1864. More children were born in Canada. The above were all born in England. I have searched the various ship lists on my own but no luck.Hopefully someone can help.Thanks Jim

At 09:21 AM 2002-06-28 -0500, Jim Galley wrote: >My Gr Gr grandparents, William & Sarah Ashby arrived in Canada in 1862. >They came from Nuneaton in Warwicksire,England. Their 1st child, Mary >Ann, my Gr grandmother, was born 14 Aug 1962, on Amherst Island. I am >trying to find any information about their arrival in Canada. I am also >interested in learning why the landed on Amherst Island.Was Kingston a >port where ships landed at that time or would they have arrived at >Quebec or Montreal and made their way to Kingston? Any information >greatly appreciated. Regards, Jim. Jim you have no idea how happy this makes me feel. Marj and I have extracted information from the Kingston Agent for the year 1862 and I see your Ashbys. http://www.theshipslist.com/1862/Kingstonnames1862.htm You can discount the spelling that says "Amhurst Island" as it is a transcription from handwritten records. Scroll to May 21st where they were assisted by the Kingston Agent. They arrived on the Culloden which sailed from Liverpool April 13th and arrived at Quebec May 14th. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/Canada1862.htm They would have taken train, stage or maybe river/lake steamer, or a combination, to Kingston, from Quebec. Great! :-} Sue http://www.theshipslist.com/ --