I have been unable to find information about the departure from Ireland around 1820 of ancestors Michael Nealon and James Toner, who settled separately in Hastings County, eastern Ontario at that time. Michael Nealon came from County Limerick and James Toner from County Tyrone. It has been suggested that one or another voyaged on the Camperdown of Hull and landed at Quebec. The family of John Scott came from Selkirkshire area to settle in Wellington County, Ontario, in 1847. Any information or suggestions are welcome! Wayne Scott Calgary

On 28 Jul 2002 at 14:22, JJasper381@aol.com wrote: > I am new to the list.I am attempting to locate the ship (and > manifest if possible) leaving Belfast on 29 Mar 1835 (believe > date is exact) for Quebec. I am not aware if ship originated in > Belfast.I do understand port of origin could be another port > such as Liverpool. Passengers included:Bermard McMahon and wife > JaneHugh McMahon (child)Catherine McMahon (child)Edward McMahon > (child)Ellen McMahon (child)Jane McMahon (child) Mary McMahon > (child)- died at seaBernard McMahon (child) John McMahon (child) > -born at sea during tripI have searched several ship lists sites > without success. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Would the > death and birth of a child at sea provide any additional sources > for locating the ship and it's record? Jerry > > Hi Jerry, That's a difficult quest. :-) Prior to 1865, manifests were not required by law. Therefore finding passenger lists can be tricky. Have you tried the following sites? You may find what you want, or you may find a contact or clue to steer you further in the right direction Without knowing exactly *which* ships lists sites you searched, I don't know where to suggest that might be new to you! So, I'd try here. If you have done so already, without meaning to sound 'snippy' in any way -- it's a good idea to be specific when telling a list where you have searched. For example, maybe you only know of 2 sites to search, but I might know of 10. :-) http://www.theshipslist.com/ships.html http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/strayships.html Immigrants to Canada: Stray Ships Covering the Period 1800 - 1864 You can also use the InGeneas search engine found on my site to search their free and their pay databases. You still get the index info free on their pay database and if you strike gold, you probably won't begrudge their fee for full details. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml And here is an article that may be of help Article: Immigration to Canada Before 1865, What's Available and Where to Find it http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml Good luck! Lorine **Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml otg@csolve.net

HI Jim, Don't know if you know of the name PATTON in Candia, NH but they were there and even have a road named Patten Hill Road. There is also a state Representative named Betsy Patton who lives with her husband in Moultonborough, NH Harriet in NH On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:09:24 EDT Jmpat737@aol.com writes: > Can anyone direct me to ships lists from Ireland to Canada for the > years > 1854-55. > > The James Patton family, with Martha and four young children, under > 10 years > old, departed County Donegal and immigrated to Simcoe County, > Ontario during > that period. > > Thank you for the help > > Jim > > > ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== > Read about immigration to Canada before 1865 at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am new to the list.I am attempting to locate the ship (and manifest if possible) leaving Belfast on 29 Mar 1835 (believe date is exact) for Quebec. I am not aware if ship originated in Belfast.I do understand port of origin could be another port such as Liverpool. Passengers included:Bermard McMahon and wife JaneHugh McMahon (child)Catherine McMahon (child)Edward McMahon (child)Ellen McMahon (child)Jane McMahon (child) Mary McMahon (child)- died at seaBernard McMahon (child) John McMahon (child) -born at sea during tripI have searched several ship lists sites without success. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Would the death and birth of a child at sea provide any additional sources for locating the ship and it's record? Jerry

HI Fran, If you do find the names on the ship could you please keep an eye out for John BOYD? My great grandfather was in the 1850 census for Enosburg, VT so know he came from Ireland before that. Harriet in NH

On 25 Jul 2002 at 22:28, Francine G. Weeks wrote: > In July of 1847, the small bark Ajax anchored at Grosse Ile > to discharge her cargo of desperately ill passengers. Ajax > had sailed from Liverpool, England >Dublin Harbor, Ireland, > to Grosse Ile, the quarantine station for Canada, before > leaving for her final leg of the journey to Quebec. My > gr-grandfather, Thomas GAVAGAN, age 16, had been aboard. A > fellow passenger, Timothy GAVAGHAN, age 67, had died and > been buried at sea in the harbor at Grosse Ile. Hi Fran, I couldn't find much, but try these URLs for a few tidbits on the AJAX http://www.theshipslist.com/1847/GIRegister1847.htm http://www.theshipslist.com/1847/shipsmay1847.html Lorine **Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml otg@csolve.net

In July of 1847, the small bark Ajax anchored at Grosse Ile to discharge her cargo of desperately ill passengers. The dead had already been thrown overboard, the victims of disease and starvation. Any remaining healthy passengers sailed on to Quebec when the quarantine was lifted. Ajax had sailed from Liverpool, England >Dublin Harbor, Ireland, to Grosse Ile, the quarantine station for Canada, before leaving for her final leg of the journey to Quebec. My gr-grandfather, Thomas GAVAGAN, age 16, had been aboard. A fellow passenger, Timothy GAVAGHAN, age 67, had died and been buried at sea in the harbor at Grosse Ile. I'm assuming that he and Thomas were related, but I don't know for sure. Sadly, with the exception of 1847 Famine Ship Diary The Journey of an Irish Coffin Ship by Robert Whyte, I have been unable to find any information about this little ship and its passengers on this trip. Obviously, my great-grandfather survived his nightmare journey and settled in Boston, MA, where he married and raised a family of nine children. However, if anyone has any scraps of data about the ship or her passengers, I would be just thrilled to hear from you. Thanks for bearing with me. Fran Weeks

On 16 Jul 2002 at 2:26, betty dilley wrote: > Hi, > My grandparents landed at a place in Canada called > Black Rock, sometime between 1903 and 1907. Can any > one tell me where Black Rock, Canada is? > There are indeed several communities named Black Rock in Ontario. However in a border crossing context, this is almost certainly Black Rock, NEW YORK, which is the railroad entry point between Fort Erie, Ontario and Buffalo. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Can anyone direct me to ships lists from England to Canada for the years 1825-1835? Looking for William George(?) Mason; about 12 yrs old; possibly unaccompanied to New Brunswick.

------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:49:22 -0600 From: af877@freenet.carleton.ca (Harry Dodsworth) To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com, marjorie@abacom.com Send reply to: af877@freenet.carleton.ca Subject: Re: Steerage passengers "Marjorie Goodfellow" <marjorie@abacom.com> posted 25 names from a Quebec notary's archives - presumably heads of families. These people were paid some money on arrival from the parishes which had sent them. This was not uncommon when a group was sent by a parish or by an estate owner - however it is uncommon for the record of the payment to survive. I must admit notary's archives aren't on my usual reading list. Here is the report of the ship's arrival (Montreal Gazette) Bark Dochfour, [captain] Johns, Bristol, [agents] Goldsworthy, cargo, 83 settlers. and: In the Dochfour, Mr. Levy & nephew [probably cabin passengers] Lloyd's Register (1836) shows the Dochfour as 383 tons, built Bristol in 1810, owned by Beeston and others of Bristol, and AE 1 in class (not very seaworthy :-) Although I havn't seen the film, I suggest that George Spredberg and Benj Spredburg might in fact be Spradburys, related to Herman Spradbury, who is also on the list :-) I also wonder about Herman as a given name in England. I gather the film lacked legibility! -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of forwarded message ------- Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

On 15 Jul 2002 at 10:09, Jmpat737@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone direct me to ships lists from Ireland to Canada for > the years 1854-55. > > The James Patton family, with Martha and four young children, > under 10 years old, departed County Donegal and immigrated to > Simcoe County, Ontario during that period. Jim Before 1865 ships lists to Canada are scarce. To search most online ships lists for ships to Canada go to http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml Try "Ireland" as your keyword. You can also try http://www.theshipslist.com/ships.html and Ships from Ireland at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/irish_index.shtml Good luck! Lorine **Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml otg@csolve.net

Hi Betty: When you say they "landed", do you mean where they ultimately lived, or where their ship docked, or the border crossing they used when entering Canada? There are a number of ports from Newfoundland to Quebec and travellers could take inland boats to continue their journey to several Great Lakes harbours. Also, persons who arrived at US ports could take the train to Canada and a Customs Officer would be on board the train to inspect papers etc., and would stamp the passport with the name of the border crossing on that particular train route. If you check that name in Canadian Placenames at www.geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/english/Home.html you'll see the description of the many places in Canada with that name. However, there is a "Blacks Harbour" in New Brunswick, on the Bay of Fundy and not far from the port of St. John, NB... just in case... Doreen -------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "betty dilley" <betts0769@yahoo.com> To: <CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:26 AM Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Black Rock, Canada > Hi, > > My grandparents landed at a place in Canada called > Black Rock, sometime between 1903 and 1907. Can any > one tell me where Black Rock, Canada is? > > TIA > Betty in New Jersey, U. S. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== > Read about immigration to Canada before 1865 at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On 16 Jul 2002 at 2:26, betty dilley wrote: > Hi, > > My grandparents landed at a place in Canada called > Black Rock, sometime between 1903 and 1907. Can any > one tell me where Black Rock, Canada is? > Dear Betty There are several communities named Black Rock in Ontario. To find names of places in Canada, go to Canadian GeoNames and type in the name of the place you are looking for. http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/english/cgndb.html You can use wildcards in your search which is very helpful if you are not sure of the spelling. If you're looking for Ontario B/D/M records, be sure to visit http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/church.shtml Lorine McGinnis Schulze otg@csolve.net http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/lists/uppercanada.shtml *Upper Canada (Ontario) Mail List

Hi, My grandparents landed at a place in Canada called Black Rock, sometime between 1903 and 1907. Can any one tell me where Black Rock, Canada is? TIA Betty in New Jersey, U. S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

Is there a ship list of passengers landing in Quebec in 1857? My ggrandfather sailed from Germany in early May 1857 and landed in Quebec sometime later. I don't know if it was a direct voyage or had a stopover enroute. I've been unable to find any records. Bill Marx

Can anyone direct me to ships lists from Ireland to Canada for the years 1854-55. The James Patton family, with Martha and four young children, under 10 years old, departed County Donegal and immigrated to Simcoe County, Ontario during that period. Thank you for the help Jim

Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not required here prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for the ship and list for the year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly England? I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate to Canada in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the family in 1865. The ship list for those sailing in 1865 aboard the SS Peruvian is available. I would appreciate any assistance offered. Thanks very much Bill Guelph On. Can.

Hi Brian, Yes perhaps he was orphaned and was sent by the local parish or some kind soul who paid his passage...and maybe he was watch over by another traveller who agreed to accompany him. Or Perhaps your ancestor worked his way across as some kind of cabin boy! My g grandfather left home in Liverpool 1869 at 16 to work on commercial ships. Twelve years of age seems young to us today...but there could have been so many reasons for your ancestor to have travelled without his family. I'd think this probably happened very frequently to kids... And sadly, suppose it still does for children in many parts of the world.... Best of luck Carolyn Perkes Montreal, Canada Brian Mason wrote: > > I am trying to locate where one of my > ancestors, William (George?) > Mason, who came from and where he landed. The > difficulty is he was about 10 > or 12 years old and he came by himself about 1828. > He appears in the 1851 > Census record of New Brunswick , Canada, but not > with relatives! It is > possible that his parents had died in England > (Scotland? or Ireland?). > Was this normal for children to leave, > England for example, and sail > to America (USA or Canada) by themselves? Is so, > did someone on board look > after them or did they have to look after > themselves? What would it have > cost in those days to sail from Europe to North > America? > > ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== > Don't miss TheShipsList.com for a variety of records re immigration > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am trying to locate where one of my ancestors, William (George?) Mason, who came from and where he landed. The difficulty is he was about 10 or 12 years old and he came by himself about 1828. He appears in the 1851 Census record of New Brunswick , Canada, but not with relatives! It is possible that his parents had died in England (Scotland? or Ireland?). Was this normal for children to leave, England for example, and sail to America (USA or Canada) by themselves? Is so, did someone on board look after them or did they have to look after themselves? What would it have cost in those days to sail from Europe to North America?

Hi Bill, Chances are that the 1864 family also used an Allan Line ship, if not Peruvian. I have a list of the 1864 ship arrivals to Quebec. Although Londonderry was not always named in the records, many many ships originating at Liverpool did make a stop there. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/Canada1864.htm The Peruvian made 5 trips to Canada in 1864 with her maiden voyage being March 31st, from Liverpool, arriving Portland, ME (train to Montreal) on April 13th. Sue -- At 02:22 PM 2002-07-14 -0700, William John Limebeer wrote: >Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that ancestors embarked >on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. > >My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not required here >prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for the ship and list for the >year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly England? > >I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate to Canada >in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the family in 1865. The ship >list for those sailing in 1865 aboard the SS Peruvian is available. > >I would appreciate any assistance offered. > >Thanks very much >Bill >Guelph On. Can.