On 8 Oct 2002 at 21:44, AMXJONES@aol.com wrote: > I am new to this list. I am looking for Irish passengers who > arrived late 1853 or early 1854--in time to sign land papers for > Ontario grant, January 15, 1854. > > My family starts with the Ontario signature and I can document > from there. However, the family claims Antrim or Co. Antrim as > home. I just can't find them yet. Hello, There are few passenger lists for ships to Canada prior to 1865 At The Olive Tree Genealogy, I have a page on the section of Ships Passenger Lists To Canada, which explains what lists are available at the National Archives of Canada (NAC) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml On TheShipsList website they are including Quebec ship arrivals extracted from contemporary newspapers. See http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/vessels.html You can also try inGeneas, the online searchable database of early immigration to Canada. Some records are free, others must be paid for, but the search and it's results are free. I have a search engine for InGeneas' two databases on my website at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml You will want to read my PASSENGER & IMMIGRATION page under Ontario for the full details. I have some lists to Canada pre 1865 on my pages (The Olive Tree Genealogy) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml You should also see my page at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ Select IMMIGRATION AND PASSENGER LISTS. This explains what's available and where it can be found I've also included links to two Special Collections re Passengers pre 1865 There are also other obscure records that are available, (such as the Hawke Papers covering 1831 to 1892) and I have links to them at "Immigration to Canada before 1865" This may be of interest to you because it covers the 1850s http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml There are also shipping lists kept by shippping companies in England & Ireland, and I am in the process of transcribing ships from Ireland in the early to mid 1800s for Olive Tree. Some are online but I don't have done any for 1851-1854 yet. You will have to look under the chronological lists on Olive Tree or in my Ships From Ireland section to see what I have so far. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml Ships to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/irish_index.shtml Ships from Ireland Good luck! Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

On 8 Oct 2002 at 15:20, Bobbi Ingram wrote: > I'm looking for information on the ship that my gg-grandmother > and her family come to Canada on. I believe they arrived in the > spring of 1861. <snipped> > tugs"........Does this sound familiar to anyone. Any help in > naming the ship or where to look for passenger lists (did they > keep records then?) would be a great help. Dear Bobbi There are few passenger lists for ships to Canada prior to 1865 How do you find them? At my site, The Olive Tree Genealogy, I have a page on the section of Ships Passenger Lists To Canada, which explains what lists are available at the National Archives of Canada (NAC) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml As one example, there are a few lists pertaining to British-subsidized immigration schemes for the period 1817-1831. These are found in Colonial Office Records, Groups 384 & 385. This set of records is correspondence of the Secretary of State on immigration for 1817-1857. There are 60 reels of microfilm for Vols 1-99. There are lists of immigrants, mainly Irish, and entry books re immigration, and assisted emigration to British North America. Two years ago I phoned NAC and they very kindly explained exactly what they had, what was indexed and what was not, and how one could order the appropriate microfilm. On TheShipsList website they are including Quebec ship arrivals extracted from contemporary newspapers. See http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/vessels.html You can also try inGeneas, the online searchable database of early immigration to Canada. Some records are free, others must be paid for, but the search and it's results are free. I have a search engine for InGeneas' two databases on my website at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml You will want to read my PASSENGER & IMMIGRATION page under Ontario for the full details. I have some lists to Canada pre 1865 on my pages (The Olive Tree Genealogy) The online lists and links to lists can be viewed by year of sailing or by country of arrival. Some can also be viewed by categories such as Palatines to America, Irish Ships, Ships to New Netherland, etc. Ships to Canada are at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml You should also see my page at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ Select IMMIGRATION AND PASSENGER LISTS. This explains what's available and where it can be found I've also included links to two Special Collections re Passengers pre 1865 There are also other obscure records that are available, (such as the Hawke Papers covering 1831 to 1892) and I have links to them at "Immigration to Canada before 1865" http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml Good luck! Lorine**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml otg@csolve.net

I am new to this list. I am looking for Irish passengers who arrived late 1853 or early 1854--in time to sign land papers for Ontario grant, January 15, 1854. My family starts with the Ontario signature and I can document from there. However, the family claims Antrim or Co. Antrim as home. I just can't find them yet. Nial/Neal/(Cornelius Michael) Magee/McGee, born 1831 in Ireland, and wife Mary Ann O'Neil Magee/McGee, born 1830 in Ireland, and son John Joseph Magee/McGee, born apprx. 1832 in Ireland. If anyone has knowledge of these names, would be happy to hear from you. Also, would appreciate some pointers on where else to look. Thank you.

At 03:20 PM 2002-10-08 -0700, Bobbi Ingram wrote: >I'm looking for information on the ship that my gg-grandmother and her >family come to Canada on. I believe they arrived in the spring of 1861. In >the story that she wrote my grandmother states that the trip took seven >weeks and three days and that while coming up the Gulf of St. Lawrence the >ship got caught among some large rocks and that it took almost two days to >get free. She goes on to say that " on arriving at Montreal we were >unable to land until the following day owing to the docks having been >burned. Finally we were taken ashore by small tugs"........Does this >sound familiar to anyone. Any help in naming the ship or where to look for >passenger lists (did they keep records then?) would be a great help.Thank >You,BobbiMilton, Florida, USA Hi Bobbi, It certainly sounds like a sailing ship, so not likely the Anchor Line United States (see below). Unfortunately "fender - benders" like this were a pretty common occurrence, and not always reported in the newspaper. http://theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/Canada1861.htm The ships' arrivals noted in the link, is not necessarily inclusive, and unfortunately this predates archiving of passenger lists for the port of Quebec. I have Cc'd Harry Dodsworth, in case he has encountered a story like this. Sue --

I'm looking for information on the ship that my gg-grandmother and her family come to Canada on. I believe they arrived in the spring of 1861. In the story that she wrote my grandmother states that the trip took seven weeks and three days and that while coming up the Gulf of St. Lawrence the ship got caught among some large rocks and that it took almost two days to get free. She goes on to say that " on arriving at Montreal we were unable to land until the following day owing to the docks having been burned. Finally we were taken ashore by small tugs"........Does this sound familiar to anyone. Any help in naming the ship or where to look for passenger lists (did they keep records then?) would be a great help.Thank You,BobbiMilton, Florida, USA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com

Hi Everyone I'm searching for the sailing vessel that brought my GG Grandmother to Canada from England, about 1842/45. She and her parents, James and Elizabeth (Eliza), left the London, England area between 1842 and 1845, when Ellen was about eight years old. They settled in 'Old Woodbine', in the Toronto area. The obituary for Ellen Maria Christmas, as published in the Flesherton Advance of 1927, stated that she suffered an arduous sea voyage of thirteen weeks and three days. >From what I've read of other journeys, they seem to take about 4-6 weeks. Given the great length of time that she spent at sea, I thought that there might be references somewhere to voyages that were of exceptional duration. Wouldn't you just know that the obit didn't include the ship's name. <sigh> If anyone can offer any clues or suggestions I'd be very grateful Cheers Diane Ottawa

Seeking a Passenger List for the ship "Doctor Kane" which sailed from Londonderry to Quebec 1864. Believe that ancestors, Leighton may have sailed on this ship in that year, 1864. Thank you for any information and or direction regarding ships that arrived from Londonderry to Quebec/Montreal in the year 1864. Bill

Lookng for NIBLOCK MOSES who came to Canada landed 1832 at the age of thirteen. His parents name also if on the ship list. Could be from around Kingston area. not sure where they landed Help skip

Tracing my ggrandfather and family who arrived in NS around 1840. I've been informed that the above two ships brought many Scotish people to Sydney in the year 1840. Where can I find passenger lists of the ships? Any information would be appreciated. The family name is Ferguson and probably came from the Hebrides. Annabelle

Hello, Would any Danish ships have come to Canada before 1850? If not where would a Danish seaman come from? My GGGrandfather William H. Barney, is in the 1861 census from Saulte Saint Marie, Ontario, as a Dane, and occupation as seaman. Any information would be great. Lucy Krajna

http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html Try this search engine by inserting your surname Kirby...look what I found. Could this be your lady? Perhaps if you know the younger brother's name, you can find him as well. Rhonda Houston Bridget Kirby Age: 18 Year: 1851 Price: $6.50US; $8.00Cdn. Description: 1851 Census of WELLINGTON COUNTY, Ontario - Typical records in this document contain the following information: name; age; sex; place of birth; occupation; marital status; and religion. NOTE: When a transcript of an individual is ordered, summary data consisting of names and ages of all others in the household will also be provided. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bridget KIRBY Age: Not available Year: 1872 Price: $6.50US; $8.00Cdn. Description: Marriage Registers of Ontario, Canada (1869-1873) - HASTINGS COUNTY - Typical records in this document contain: name of groom and bride, their age, religion, residence, and place of birth, religious denomination, date and place of marriage, names of parents, names of witnesses; occupation of the groom, and may also include residence of witnesses. (NOTE: each party is indexed separately in the database, therefore, one need only order one of the spouses to receive full information on both). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Patrick Kirby Age: 40 Year: 1851 Price: $6.50US; $8.00Cdn. Description: 1851 Census of WELLINGTON COUNTY, Ontario - Typical records in this document contain the following information: name; age; sex; place of birth; occupation; marital status; and religion. NOTE: When a transcript of an individual is ordered, summary data consisting of names and ages of all others in the household will also be provided ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- WHO COULD THIS BE??????????? Patrick Kirby Age: 85 Year: 1901 Price: $7.15US; $8.79Cdn. Description: 1901 census of Ontario: DUNDAS County (only those giving a year of immigration to Canada and who were born outside of Canada are included). Typical records in this document contain the following information: name; relationship to head of household; marital status; exact birthdate; birthplace; year of immigration; origins; religion; occupation; and, a summary (names and age) of everyone listed in the household -----Original Message----- From: TheKirbyTree@aol.com [mailto:TheKirbyTree@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 3:28 PM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Re: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-D Digest V02 #30 Ireland via Canada I too am looking for info on Irish that "came through Canada" My Kirby's came this way. My great great grandfather died at sea, and his wife and children walked to Boston, MA. from Canada. I do not know the year. All I know is that my great grandfather and great grandmother had their first child in 1864 in Clinton, MA The story about the walk to Boston was passed down in the family. It would have happened sometime between 1845-1864. However since my great grandfather was born in 1841 and he was a child when he came the date would probably be in the late 1840s or early 1850s. I have not located any of my family on a census or any document before 1865 and that was the MA state census. My feeling is that it was in the early 1850s. My great great grandparents were Patrick Kirby and Bridget O'Malley Kirby from County Mayo, Ireland. Patrick died at sea. It was Bridget who made the walk to Boston, where, according to family lore she had to take up the world's oldest profession for a while to feed her kids. Apparently Bridget's younger brother came too. He supposingly took up watch on the stairs to make sure the men didn't get away without paying. Good Catholics that my Dad's family was, I can not imagine them making up the story, so I assume that it is true. ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search the Archives for this list at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/lists/maillists.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html This is for Brian, for whom I don't have an email address. Look what I found using this search engine and inserting the surname Mason, and then looking for William with the appropriate arrival age! You might investigate those other William Mason(s) listed as well. Rhonda Houston William Mason CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Age: 40 Year: 1851 Price: $6.50US; $8.00Cdn. Description: 1851 Census of WELLINGTON COUNTY, Ontario - Typical records in this document contain the following information: name; age; sex; place of birth; occupation; marital status; and religion. NOTE: When a transcript of an individual is ordered, summary data consisting of names and ages of all others in the household will also be provided. OTHER IMPORTANT NOTES: Although all these ships arrived at Halifax and the passenger lists were there submitted, some were also bound for other ports such as St.John's,(Newfoundland), Portland,(Maine), Baltimore, Philadelphia, and New York. Passengers 12 years of age and over are listed as 'adults'. Most passengers arriving at the port of Halifax either travelled inland by other means or continued by ship to other destinations throughout North America. -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Perkes [mailto:cperkes@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:45 AM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CanShipsPre1865] Unaccompanied Children Hi Brian, Yes perhaps he was orphaned and was sent by the local parish or some kind soul who paid his passage...and maybe he was watch over by another traveller who agreed to accompany him. Or Perhaps your ancestor worked his way across as some kind of cabin boy! My g grandfather left home in Liverpool 1869 at 16 to work on commercial ships. Twelve years of age seems young to us today...but there could have been so many reasons for your ancestor to have travelled without his family. I'd think this probably happened very frequently to kids... And sadly, suppose it still does for children in many parts of the world.... Best of luck Carolyn Perkes Montreal, Canada Brian Mason wrote: > > I am trying to locate where one of my > ancestors, William (George?) > Mason, who came from and where he landed. The > difficulty is he was about 10 > or 12 years old and he came by himself about 1828. > He appears in the 1851 > Census record of New Brunswick , Canada, but not > with relatives! It is > possible that his parents had died in England > (Scotland? or Ireland?). > Was this normal for children to leave, > England for example, and sail > to America (USA or Canada) by themselves? Is so, > did someone on board look > after them or did they have to look after > themselves? What would it have > cost in those days to sail from Europe to North > America? > > ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== > Don't miss TheShipsList.com for a variety of records re immigration > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search ships passenger lists to Canada from 1800 to 1820 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp02.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Annabelle HUMMM...I have a John Ferguson who married a Jane Barclay. They arrived in Canada around 1840-41 and settled in Ontario around Kingston! any connections here??? Jean W ----- Original Message ----- From: <Grammashep123@aol.com> To: <CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Ferguson Family to Nova Scotia > I'm looking for information on my ggrandfather, John Ferguson and family who > arrived in Nova Scotia from Scotland around 1840. Any information would be > appreciated. Thanks. Annabelle > > ______________________________

On 26 Sep 2002 at 3:06, Rhonda Houston wrote: > > > One J & J Cooke's ship named the "Helen Thompson" within the > year of 1847, has one of its passengers, James Patton (no age > listed) from Ballybofey (Ballyshannon District) going to Quebec. > I have the complete passenger list of the Helen Thompson online at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/can_helent1847.shtml I have many other ships to Canada online on Olive Tree Genealogy. You can start your search at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml or you can use my custom built Search Engine to search not only Olive Tree, but many other Internet sites for ships to Canada. For the search engine, go to http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml Lorine **Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml otg@csolve.net

I thought this one was interesting and I hope you look at the McGregor surname via this search engine!! http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html Donald McGregor Age: 38 Year: 1816 Price: $5.50US; $6.77Cdn. Description: Type of record: PASSENGER MANIFEST from Port Glasgow to St. John, New Brunswick. Typical records in this document contain the following information: name, age, sex, quality or occupation and place of former residence (place, parish and county) for all passengers. Copy is dark, but words are often broken ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Hugh McGregor Age: 6 Year: 1818 Price: $5.50US; $6.77Cdn. Description: PASSENGER LIST: from Greenock to Montreal. Typical records from this document contain the following information: heads of families are listed as settlers and the parish of former residence is furnished for them; the relationship of other family members to the head of the family is listed; ages are provided for children only. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- James McGREGOR Age: 87 Year: 1875 Price: $5.50US; $6.77Cdn. Description: Parliamentary Sessional Papers - Statement showing MILITIAMEN OF 1812-15 (who have applied to receive the gratuity voted by Parliament in 1875). Typical records in this document contain the following: name of militiaman; age in 1875; rank in 1812-15; corps or divison in which he served; current place of residence; through whom application was made (if so); case number and amount paid, and, if not paid, reason for ineligibility. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: J Simon [mailto:rjmsimon@knology.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CanShipsPre1865] ship lists One thing I found interesting to read re ships from Britain to Canada. It put forth the supposition, and I am calling it a supposition, that if it were winter, the ships only went from Britain to the maritime provinces such as Nova Scotia. If it were summer time, the ships went on to Upper Canada, or the Toronto area. I am afraid my ancestor (Donald McGregor) whom I am most anxious to trace must have come in 1832 from Loch Rannoch, Perthshire, Scotland to Nova Scotia in winter, in the steerage, with no record, at least newspaper-wise, of the name of his ship, though there had to be a list at one time back in Scotland, which the captain of his ship had to keep. My guess is that his ship may have landed in Pictou, Pictou County, Nova Scotia, and it may also have stopped in Prince Edward Island, perhaps at Charlottetown PEI. If your ancestor was English, most likely your ancestor came to a port in Quebec where English settlers were heavily settled. Perhaps that narrows it down a bit for you. Pictou NS was heavily populated with Scots. Jean MacGregor Simon Huntsville, Alabama USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <jbatesangel01@msn.com> To: <CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] ship lists > Hello, list > I am fairly new to my Canadian ancestor search and have been helped vicariously by reading other list member's posts. My "ship" question is 2-fold: has anyone found an early-1830 ship list from ENG to Quebec? and 2nd question: is there a list of "most popular ports" to leave ENG and come to CAN around 1830? Thanks, much, > > Your neighbor to the south, > > Julie Bates - St. Paul, MN > > ______________________________ ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search ships passenger lists to Canada from 1850 to 1865 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp04.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I just recently bought this book and wanted to share what I found within it as I went through my email messages. According to "Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871: Lists of Passengers Sailing from Londonderry to America on Ships of the J. & J. Cook Line and the McCorkell Line" compiled under the direction of Brian Mitchell ISBN# 0806312068 lists four ships with some Patton(s) which just might be those that filled your inquiry. One J & J Cooke's ship named the "Helen Thompson" within the year of 1847, has one of its passengers, James Patton (no age listed) from Ballybofey (Ballyshannon District) going to Quebec. A second ship in 1854, called the "Mary Ann" has a woman passenger on it with the name of Francis Patton, who is 26 yrs of age, who is from Ballyshannon District in Ireland. The ship's distination is to St. John, Canada. A third ship in Feb of 1864, named the "Stadacona" via the McCorkell & Co., left from Derry, Ireland, in Feb 1864, with an arrival destination of Quebec, in March of 1864, with two passengers, Margaret and a male named James Patton, both who were from Ballybofey (Ballyshannon District) of the County of Donegal, Ireland. (The Perry surname wasn't mentioned) A fourth ship in 1853, named the "Roger Stewart" via J & J Cooke, left from Derry, Ireland, with an arrival destination of Philadelphia. On this ship, two individuals were listed among the passengers. They were Sarah Patton (with no age listed) from Ballybofey (Ballyshannon District) and a William Tate (with no age listed) who was also from Ballyshannon District. It appears that they knew each other (being from the same County of Donegal and district) and were traveling together. http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html By using this search engine, you can find some record of Ann Patton: Anne PATTON Age: Not available Year: 1858 Price: $6.50US; $8.00Cdn. Description: Marriage Registers of Ontario, Canada (1858-1869) -- TORONTO, CITY -- Typical records in this document contain: name of groom and bride, their age, residence, and place of birth, religious denomination, date and place of marriage, names of parents, names of witnesses; occupation of the groom, and may also include residence of witnesses. (NOTE: each party is indexed separately in the database, therefore, one need only order one of the spouses to receive full information on both). The usual manner in Ireland, was for ships' captains not to keep passenger lists because it wasn't a requirement, however lists that survive owe their existance instead to the ship owners, who kept them for business reasons. The port of Londonderry have two series of list/shipping lists of J. & J. Cooke, 1847-1867, and William McCorkell & Co. 1863-1871. What these original passenger lists show is the passenger name, the passenger's residence, and age. The spelling of Leighton may be different than it is today, as the spellings of where each passenger lived is spelled differently today. A comparable reference book by Brian Mitchell of Irish lists that predates the above listed book I also have and it is called "Irish Passenger Lists 1803-1806 ISBN# 0806314583 It explains what population of the Irish were actually allowed to leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and why the Government was hostile to and withdrew and denied permission for some potential Irish passengers who wanted to emigrate. All this information was contained within what the British call the "Hardwicke Papers" which the author, Brian Mitchell, believes predates any custom passenger lists which record the arrival of immigrants at North American ports from 1820, which are presently held by the British Library in London. Hope this assists with your searching for ships. In the last book I am going to list, holds a list of 43 Irish vessels listed, named, with resources where information can be obtained such as passenger and emigrant lists leaving Ireland, giving in chronological order, from which Irish port each ship departed. In this book there are other many genealogical resources provided and directions on how to obtain them via counties which will assist to find information about Irish families available in Ireland. Here's the ISBN # 0806316179 -It's put together by John Grenham and called, "Tracing your IRISH ANCESTORS" This one is truly AWESOME. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Jmpat737@aol.com [mailto:Jmpat737@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:25 PM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Passenger Lists Dear Shipslisters I am searching for information on the immigration of James Patton and Martha Perry for the period 1853-55. They immigrated from County Donegal, Ireland to Simcoe County Ontario with their four children; Francis b1845, James b1847, Anne b1849 and Sarah b1851. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Jim Patton Glendale Az ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Don't miss TheShipsList.com for a variety of records re immigration http://www.theshipslist.com/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This email is addressed to William John Limebeer whose email I nolonger have, who is seeking "a ship list for a ship that ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864". According to "Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871: Lists of Passengers Sailing from Londonderry to America on Ships of the J. & J. Cook Line and the McCorkell Line" compiled under the direction of Brian Mitchell ISBN# 0806312068 lists a ship named the "Doctor Kane" in 1864, whose destination was to Quebec. The usual manner in Ireland, was for ships' captains not to keep passenger lists because it wasn't a requirement, however lists that survive owe their existance instead to the ship owners, who kept them for business reasons. The port of Londonderry have two series of list/shipping lists of J. & J. Cooke, 1847-1867, and William McCorkell & Co. 1863-1871. What these original passenger lists show is the passenger name, the passenger's residence, and age. The spelling of Leighton may be different than it is today, as the spellings of where each passenger lived is spelled differently today. A comparable reference book by Brian Mitchell called "Irish Passenger Lists 1803-1806 ISBN# 0806314583 explains what population of the Irish were actually allowed to leave the United Kingdom of Grate Britain and Ireland, and why the Government was hostile to and withdrew and denied permission for a few potential Irish passengers who wanted to emigrate. All this information was contained within what the British call the "Hardwicke Papers" which the author, Brian Mitchell, believes predates any custom passenger lists which record the arrival of immigrants at North American ports from 1820, which are presently held by the British Library in London. Mr. Limebeer, You might very well find the listing of this family in two places within Brian Mitchell's first book mentioned. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze [mailto:otg@csolve.net] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 5:13 PM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Re: Ship list- Ireland to Quebec 1864 On 14 Jul 2002 at 14:22, William John Limebeer wrote: > Seeking to obtain access to a ship list for a ship that > ancestors embarked on at Londonderry for Quebec in 1864. > > My research in Canada has indicated that such a list was not > required here prior to 1865. Would there be such a record for > the ship and list for the year 1864 held in Ireland or possibly > England? > > I can confirm that my ancestors, Leighton did in fact emigrate > to Canada in the year 1864 followed by the remainder of the > family in 1865. The ship list for those sailing in 1865 aboard > the SS Peruvian is available. > William I have an article online that may be of help to you (Immigration Records for Canada Before 1865) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml While you are quite correct in that manifests were not a requirement prior to 1865 there are some Canadian records you can consult. For example The Hawke collection spans the years from 1831 until 1892 and includes letterbooks of Hawke and his successor, J.A. Donaldson, registers of immigrants who came to the attention of the emigrant office, financial records, and two reports of inspection of child immigrants. It is held at the Ontario Archives. I have microfilm numbers for some very specific immigration schemes to Canada in my article listed above. As well there are some shipping company records held in Ireland, for example those of the J&J Cooke Shipping Agency. Records of passengers can be found in D.2892/1/1-14 Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents. Sailings from Londonderry to Philadelphia, Quebec, St. John, New Brunswick, 1847-71 (see also MIC.13) in the PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE of NORTHERN IRELAND I have some of the ships from the J&J Cooke records online on Olive Tree - see Irish Ships at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/irish_index.shtml or Ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp01.shtml Lorine Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze -- * The Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Past Voices:Letters Home http://pastvoices.com/ * USA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ * My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Search ships passenger lists to Canada from 1820 to 1850 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocanp03.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Doreen, Thanks for sending info on this site. I found a copy of a handbook given immigrates dated the exact year my gggrandparents travelled from England to Canada. It is facinating! Also, disputes my mother's (must keep in mind she was part Irish and full of Blarney!) that they travelled down the St Lawrence seaway by open canoe with an Indian guide. Thanks again, Ellen -----Original Message----- From: auntie-do [mailto:auntie-do@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CanShipsPre1865] Univ Waterloo - Useful site www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/voyages/ There is a directory of the sites. Of particular interest might be the Passenger Acts of 1828 (UK), Toronto of 1847, Dublin 1817, Newspapers 1847, Railway Dates and more. Doreen ==== CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 Mailing List ==== Read about immigration to Canada before 1865 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Can anyone give me advice on how I might find which ship my ancestors sailed on? (I am in US, not Canada) Hugh TREANOR/TRENOR aged 30-32 in 1832 wife Catherine aged 22 son Hugh aged 1-2 While born in Ireland, the couple met and married in 1828 in London England. They immigrated to Canada around 1832. I have found a Hugh TREANOR in York - Toronto listed as merchant. He was a draper in London and later, in Dubuque IA, was a successful merchant. He disappears after 1837 so I am fairly comfortable that this might be he. Thanks for any help. Ellen

www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/voyages/ There is a directory of the sites. Of particular interest might be the Passenger Acts of 1828 (UK), Toronto of 1847, Dublin 1817, Newspapers 1847, Railway Dates and more. Doreen