Hi Margaret   Many thanks. I'll try looking up the 1881 census from Ancestry.com. By the way the web address you copied didn't make it with your email (see below).    I would love to be put into contact with cousins from the area -  that would be brilliant! If you or anyone reading this can help me to contact family members  from the Moore's and LeBar's and related families I'd be very grateful. My Ancestors from these families resided in Whitby, Dunham and then later in Monck, Scuggog, Coboconk, Scott and Georginaand Pefferlaw during the late 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Some of them are reported to have been United Empire Loyalists. A few immigrated to the USAinto counties located in Michigan's Thumb area. I have only been able to find two rather reluctant contacts in the Ontarioarea who are related by marriage to descendants of my gr-gr grandfather Charles LeBar.    Because I live in The Netherlands my research is limited to what I can obtain on-line and what other family researchers share with me. I keep an open mind about everything I read and always try to obtain records substantiating information whenever possible. Living in Europe, I've been able to visit the areas of Scotland, Englandand Francewhere some of my ancestors are believed to have come from. Some of my ancestors are very well recorded and came from Alsace Lorraine France which is located on the French and German border -  a lovely area where wine is now produced. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any European records for my ancestors yet because the vital link of their American and Canadian immigration records have been unobtainable to me. I'd love to be able to research records for ancestors I share with others. I travel throughout Europeand would be very willing to  do look ups.   My information on John Sawyer's wife's name was Sarah Kimball versus Sarah Cambell as you wrote. I found her birthplace mentioned as St. Armand on the Canada/Vermont border abt. 1775. The Kimball family is recorded in Americafrom 1634 to 1897. Their ancestors were possibly the Kemballs or Kemboldes of England. Regardless, its important I obtain some record on them at the time they were living.   My information about Charle's LeBar Sr's. wife is that she was named Louise Nisnard rather than Menard  as you wrote. Menard in French is Ménard and in English is Maynard. I'm starting to doubt the name was Nisnard - it's a very unusual spelling although it could have  developed from the name Nisard, which is a famous surname recorded in almost every European country since the late Middle Ages but again having records to verify their names when they were living is essential.   The LeBar surname has continued to "develop" in it's spellings, with numerous variants of the original even within the same family making my research very difficult. Speaking of LeBar's that was an iinteresting story you shared regarding the marriage of Jane Sawyer and Charles LeBar. You didn't provide a ref. to whoever was responsible for writing it though - would please share that with me? To my knowledge, no records have been found that confirm the date of their marriage as 2/7/1843- that is 7 months before John LeBar's supposed birth date. Perhaps it was an imagined hypothesis based on general knowledge of the situation about marriages at that time? I wonder if there are any validated stories of other marriages that were performed in that area at that time to support it?   I found names for all 13 of Charles and Jane LeBar's children and have compiled records on some of them validating births, marriages and deaths so I feel comfortable with my knowledge of that generation forward. It is the names of Martha Moore's parents (John LaBar's wife) that I am trying to discover. Anyone who is reading this who has information on what their names may have been - please could you share that with me?   That's all from my side of this discussion for now - Greetings from the Netherlandsto you and everyone following this.   Kind Regards Patti Molenaar     -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomaslanefarm@att.net" <thomaslanefarm@att.net> To: can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 20098:41:29 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family information   Hi Patti,   Bring up the 1901 census screen & go to Ontariosouth as you would on ancestry.  To get an alternate 1881 census (from Ancestry), you must go to : family search.org                There is a lot more information on line after all.  A descendant of Edward did a lot of research & posted way back. Jane's parents were John Sawyer and Sarah (Sally ) Campbell.  Sarah was an American & probably the child of a loyalist. Charles and Jane may have been married by a justice.  The reason for the 2/7/1843date was that had to wait until a traveling missionary visited the area to have a church ceremony.  In the early days of settlements, if word was received that a missionary would be passing through the area, word was sent out to local families & many would attend even if  they had to sit on freshly cut logs and stumps..  This was also common in the United Statesas the frontier spread westward.   It appears that Charles and Jane had 12 or 13 children in all.  There was a Minerva, John, Asa was born in 1839, (He settled in Peterborough),  Margaret was born about 1840, Edward in 1844, Benjamin 1845, then Julia.  Joseph was thought to have been born in Quebecalso (1849), but in the Cornwall/Stormont census, he states Ontario.  Jane's parents and her brother Benjamin also moved to Ontario.  There is no question but that the younger  LeBare children were born in Ontario                       Edwards' descendant believes that  the LaBars were also loyalist related.  (Possibly descended from American French Huguenots). This was not unknown.  The Griggs family of the Eastern Townships had ancestors who had lived in the lower Hudson Valley of New York prior to the American Revolution. In this case, I am not so sure.  In the 1901 census, Charles stated that his mother tongue was French.  It is possible that Charles Sr. did have American ancestry, and became Roman Catholic because of his marriage to Louise of Lisette Menard.                          This is a lot of history.  I hope you can correspond with one of your Canadian cousins soon.  If in Ontario, there should be much more to be found.                                          Margaret..

Hi Patty, I referred back to yourfolks.com They also refer to the marriage of Charles Sr. as being to Louise Menard. I think this is important. They were married at St Mathius sur Richelieu in Rouville County. This is a Catholic parish. To get more on Catholic records, you might get a better answer from the Quebec general list. There should also be Catholic baptisms. Re the Moores An interesting site for you to look at to see the lay of the land is to do a google search for: digital- map- Ontario-McGill. That will find it for you. Go to Ontario County & Whitby> people list.. Charles is not recorded as a land owner, but several Moores. (Possibly Charles lived in the village ? ) I then went to the 1881 census. Most of the Moores were English or Irish. I had thought that Samuel Moore and Martha were likely siblings. The only Moore that fits in 1881 is a Peter Moore ( lists ethnic as German). Margaret's husband Samuel Yeo Moore was born in Whitby in 1836 per roots web His father, Samuel, was born about 1810, but where?. That is about the end of the leads that I can offer. Persue the given names of Samuel and Peter.. I will send you that personal Coolidge E-mail address direct Margaret. <!--&lt;BR&gt;--> &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid #1010ff 2px"&gt; -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar &amp;lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&amp;gt;: -------------- &lt;BR&gt; &lt;BR&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Hi Margaret &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   Many thanks. I'll try looking up the 1881 census from Ancestry.com. By the way &lt;BR&gt;&gt; the web address you copied didn't make it with your email (see below).  &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   I would love to be put into contact with cousins from the area -  that would be brilliant! If you or anyone reading this can help me to contact family members  from the Moore's and LeBar's and related families I'd be very grateful. My Ancestors from these families resided in Whitby, Dunham and then later in Monck, Scuggog, Coboconk, Scott and Georginaand Pefferlaw during the late 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Some of them are reported to have been United Empire Loyalists. A few immigrated to the USAinto counties located in Michigan's Thumb area. I have only been able to find two rather reluctant contacts in the Ontarioarea who are related by marriage to descendants of my gr-gr grandfather &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Charles LeBar.  &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   Because I live in The Netherlands my research is limited to what I can obtain &lt;BR&gt;&gt; on-line and what other family researchers share with me. I keep an open mind &lt;BR&gt;&gt; about everything I read and always try to obtain records substantiating &lt;BR&gt;&gt; information whenever possible. Living in Europe, I've been able to visit the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; areas of Scotland, Englandand Francewhere some of my ancestors are believed to &lt;BR&gt;&gt; have come from. Some of my ancestors are very well recorded and came from Alsace &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Lorraine France which is located on the French and German border -  a lovely &lt;BR&gt;&gt; area where wine is now produced. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any &lt;BR&gt;&gt; European records for my ancestors yet because the vital link of their American &lt;BR&gt;&gt; and Canadian immigration records have been unobtainable to me. I'd love to be &lt;BR&gt;&gt; able to research records for ancestors I share with others. I travel throughout &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Europeand would be very willing to  do look ups. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; My information on John Sawyer's wife's name was Sarah Kimball versus Sarah &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Cambell as you wrote. I found her birthplace mentioned as St. Armand on the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Canada/Vermont border abt. 1775. The Kimball family is recorded in Americafrom &lt;BR&gt;&gt; 1634 to 1897. Their ancestors were possibly the Kemballs or Kemboldes of &lt;BR&gt;&gt; England. Regardless, its important I obtain some record on them at the time they &lt;BR&gt;&gt; were living. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; My information about Charle's LeBar Sr's. wife is that she was named Louise &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Nisnard rather than Menard  as you wrote. Menard in French is Ménard and in &lt;BR&gt;&gt; English is Maynard. I'm starting to doubt the name was Nisnard - it's a very &lt;BR&gt;&gt; unusual spelling although it could have  developed from the name Nisard, which &lt;BR&gt;&gt; is a famous surname recorded in almost every European country since the late &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Middle Ages but again having records to verify their names when they were living &lt;BR&gt;&gt; is essential. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; The LeBar surname has continued to &quot;develop&quot; in it's spellings, with numerous &lt;BR&gt;&gt; variants of the original even within the same family making my research very &lt;BR&gt;&gt; difficult. Speaking of LeBar's that was an iinteresting story you shared &lt;BR&gt;&gt; regarding the marriage of Jane Sawyer and Charles LeBar. You didn't provide a &lt;BR&gt;&gt; ref. to whoever was responsible for writing it though - would please share that &lt;BR&gt;&gt; with me? To my knowledge, no records have been found that confirm the date of &lt;BR&gt;&gt; their marriage as 2/7/1843- that is 7 months before John LeBar's supposed birth &lt;BR&gt;&gt; date. Perhaps it was an imagined hypothesis based on general knowledge of the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; situation about marriages at that time? I wonder if there are any validated &lt;BR&gt;&gt; stories of other marriages that were performed in that area at that time to &lt;BR&gt;&gt; support it? &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; I found names for all 13 of Charles and Jane LeBar's children and have compiled &lt;BR&gt;&gt; records on some of them validating births, marriages and deaths so I feel &lt;BR&gt;&gt; comfortable with my knowledge of that generation forward. It is the names of &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Martha Moore's parents (John LaBar's wife) that I am trying to discover. Anyone &lt;BR&gt;&gt; who is reading this who has information on what their names may have been - &lt;BR&gt;&gt; please could you share that with me? &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; That's all from my side of this discussion for now - Greetings from the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Netherlandsto you and everyone following this. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Kind Regards &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Patti Molenaar &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- &lt;BR&gt;&gt; From: &quot;thomaslanefarm@att.net&quot; &lt;thomaslanefarm@att.net&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&gt; To: can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 20098:41:29 PM &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family information &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Hi Patti, &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Bring up the 1901 census screen &amp; go to Ontariosouth as you would on ancestry.  &lt;BR&gt;&gt; To get an alternate 1881 census (from Ancestry), you must go to : &lt;BR&gt;&gt; family search.org &lt;BR&gt;&gt;                &lt;BR&gt;&gt; There is a lot more information on line after all.  A descendant of Edward did a &lt;BR&gt;&gt; lot of research &amp; posted way back. Jane's parents were John Sawyer and Sarah &lt;BR&gt;&gt; (Sally ) Campbell.  Sarah was an American &amp; probably the child of a loyalist. &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Charles and Jane may have been married by a justice.  The reason for the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; 2/7/1843date was that had to wait until a traveling missionary visited the area &lt;BR&gt;&gt; to have a church ceremony.  In the early days of settlements, if word was &lt;BR&gt;&gt; received that a missionary would be passing through the area, word was sent out &lt;BR&gt;&gt; to local families &amp; many would attend even if  they had to sit on freshly cut &lt;BR&gt;&gt; logs and stumps..  This was also common in the United Statesas the frontier &lt;BR&gt;&gt; spread westward. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;   &lt;BR&gt;&gt; It appears that Charles and Jane had 12 or 13 children in all.  There was a &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Minerva, John, Asa was born in 1839, (He settled in Peterborough),  Margaret was &lt;BR&gt;&gt; born about 1840, Edward in 1844, Benjamin 1845, then Julia.  Joseph was thought &lt;BR&gt;&gt; to have been born in Quebecalso (1849), but in the Cornwall/Stormont census, he &lt;BR&gt;&gt; states Ontario.  Jane's parents and her brother Benjamin also moved to Ontario.  &lt;BR&gt;&gt; There is no question but that the younger  LeBare children were born in Ontario &lt;BR&gt;&gt;                       &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Edwards' descendant believes that  the LaBars were also loyalist related.  &lt;BR&gt;&gt; (Possibly descended from American French Huguenots). This was not unknown.  The &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Griggs family of the Eastern Townships had ancestors who had lived in the lower &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Hudson Valley of New York prior to the American Revolution. In this case, I am &lt;BR&gt;&gt; not so sure.  In the 1901 census, Charles stated that his mother tongue was &lt;BR&gt;&gt; French.  It is possible that Charles Sr. did have American ancestry, and became &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Roman Catholic because of his marriage to Louise of Lisette Menard. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;                          &lt;BR&gt;&gt; This is a lot of history.  I hope you can correspond with one of your Canadian &lt;BR&gt;&gt; cousins soon.  If in Ontario, there should be much more to be found. &lt;BR&gt;&gt;                                          &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Margaret.. &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&gt; ------------------------------- &lt;BR&gt;&gt; To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to &lt;BR&gt;&gt; CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; quotes in the subject and the body of the message &lt;/blockquote&gt;