To Patti Molenaar: re: Charles LaBare You do not mention finding Charles in the 1901 census. I found him by merging alternate spellings with LaBare. (Go to automated genealogy). LaBare is spelled as LaBair. This census gives an exact birthdate. His line is flagged with a note as to the 1881 census (Charles was a widower in 1881), and, furthermore, a researcher has stated that his wife is also a great great great granddaughter of Charles. You may contact this researcher directly. Margaret Benelli <!--<BR>--> <div>&nbsp;</div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid #1010ff 2px"> -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar &lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&gt;: -------------- <BR> <BR> I am hoping someone can direct me to some records I havent been able to find <BR>> for my Great Great Great Grandfather and my Great Great Grandfather LeBare: <BR>> Charles LEBAREwas born about 1812 in Point Levis, Quebec(unconfirmed). He died 15 May 1903, in the city of Myrtle, Whitby Township, Missisquoi County, (Durham Region) Ontario where he is buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of his gravestone and a copy of his death record). According to a number of records I have been able to obtain, he seems to have resided his entire adult life in Whitby, MissisquoiCounty, (Durham Region) Ontario. He married Jane SAWYER (date and place unknown) Jane SAWYER was born about 1819 (date and place unknown). She died 28 Sep 1880, in the city of Myrtle, WhitbyTownship, Ontariowhere she is <BR>> buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of her gravestone). <BR>> <BR>> The Children of Charles LEBARE and Jane SAWYER were: <BR>> <BR>> i. George Adolphus LEBARE, born 9 Dec 1860, in Whitby Twp, Ontario, died 19 <BR>> Feb 1930, in BillingsTownshipManitoulin Isl., Ontario. <BR>> <BR>> ii. Margaret LEBARE, born 2 Sep 1840, in Myrtle, Ontario. She married Samuel <BR>> MOORE. <BR>> <BR>> iii. Benjamin LEBARE. He married Diana ROSS. <BR>> <BR>> iv. John LEBARE, (my Great Great Grandfather) was born 2 Sep 1834, in <BR>> Quebec(unconfirmed). He married Martha Moore (date and place unknown, name of <BR>> parents unknown). He died 27 May 1913, in Georgina Twp, Ontario. <BR>> <BR>> v. Charles Malcolm LEBAR. He married (1) Agnes Ruth TORETTE. He married <BR>> (2) Catherine MURRAY. <BR>> <BR>> vi. Edward James LEBAR. He married (1) Elizabeth DEMERAY. He married (2) <BR>> Bessie REID. <BR>> <BR>> Charles LeBare, his wife and several children appear on the 1891 Census <BR>> (attached) but I cant seem to find him in the 1851 census. Can anyone suggest <BR>> where I can find them? or can direct me to any early records in Missisquoi that <BR>> record this family and provide the documentation I am missing? <BR>> <BR>> Kind Regards <BR>> Patti Molenaar <BR>> The Netherlands <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------- <BR>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <BR>> CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the <BR>> quotes in the subject and the body of the <BR>> message </blockquote>
What a very interesting reply indeed! Yes I do have the 1901 census report which gives Charles' birth date as 08 May 1808. However, his headstone (which I have a photo of) as well as other census reports and marriage records cite different birth dates so I purposely listed it to be abt. 1812. I don't seem to be able to get to the 1881 Census report on-line in order to review the notation you mentioned from the researcher and their contact details who stated that his wife was also a great great great granddaughter. I am so curious about that and hope I will be able to view it soon. Do you have the web address to the page Charles appears on in the 1881 Census report by any chance? In reference to the note saying Charles was a widower in 1881, I have found a Marriage record for "a" Charles LeBair and M. Ann Widden, Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1881, Registration Number: 59619, Source: Indexed by: Genealogical Research Library. I don't know if this is the same Charles because I can't view the original record online. I do have a copy of his marriage record to Marie Bourdineau, however. They were married on 5 July 1897. This marriage record gives Charles’ place of birth as Pointe Levis Quebec and his age as 86 years along with his estimated year of birth as abt 1811. It also lists his Father’s Name as Chas Lebert and his mother's name as Louise Niesnard, which fits. It also give the parents names for Marie Bourdineau, her age, est. birth year and the marriage place as Victoria, Victoria County. Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_94. Family history is full of surprises isn't it! Kind Regards Patti Molenaar ________________________________ From: "thomaslanefarm@att.net" <thomaslanefarm@att.net> To: can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:22:48 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family information To Patti Molenaar: re: Charles LaBare You do not mention finding Charles in the 1901 census. I found him by merging alternate spellings with LaBare. (Go to automated genealogy). LaBare is spelled as LaBair. This census gives an exact birthdate. His line is flagged with a note as to the 1881 census (Charles was a widower in 1881), and, furthermore, a researcher has stated that his wife is also a great great great granddaughter of Charles. You may contact this researcher directly. Margaret Benelli <!--<BR>--> <div>&nbsp;</div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid #1010ff 2px"> -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar &lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&gt;: -------------- <BR> <BR> I am hoping someone can direct me to some records I havent been able to find <BR>> for my Great Great Great Grandfather and my Great Great Grandfather LeBare: <BR>> Charles LEBAREwas born about 1812 in Point Levis, Quebec(unconfirmed). He died 15 May 1903, in the city of Myrtle, Whitby Township, Missisquoi County, (Durham Region) Ontario where he is buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of his gravestone and a copy of his death record). According to a number of records I have been able to obtain, he seems to have resided his entire adult life in Whitby, MissisquoiCounty, (Durham Region) Ontario. He married Jane SAWYER (date and place unknown) Jane SAWYER was born about 1819 (date and place unknown). She died 28 Sep 1880, in the city of Myrtle, WhitbyTownship, Ontariowhere she is <BR>> buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of her gravestone). <BR>> <BR>> The Children of Charles LEBARE and Jane SAWYER were: <BR>> <BR>> i. George Adolphus LEBARE, born 9 Dec 1860, in Whitby Twp, Ontario, died 19 <BR>> Feb 1930, in BillingsTownshipManitoulin Isl., Ontario. <BR>> <BR>> ii. Margaret LEBARE, born 2 Sep 1840, in Myrtle, Ontario. She married Samuel <BR>> MOORE. <BR>> <BR>> iii. Benjamin LEBARE. He married Diana ROSS. <BR>> <BR>> iv. John LEBARE, (my Great Great Grandfather) was born 2 Sep 1834, in <BR>> Quebec(unconfirmed). He married Martha Moore (date and place unknown, name of <BR>> parents unknown). He died 27 May 1913, in Georgina Twp, Ontario. <BR>> <BR>> v. Charles Malcolm LEBAR. He married (1) Agnes Ruth TORETTE. He married <BR>> (2) Catherine MURRAY. <BR>> <BR>> vi. Edward James LEBAR. He married (1) Elizabeth DEMERAY. He married (2) <BR>> Bessie REID. <BR>> <BR>> Charles LeBare, his wife and several children appear on the 1891 Census <BR>> (attached) but I cant seem to find him in the 1851 census. Can anyone suggest <BR>> where I can find them? or can direct me to any early records in Missisquoi that <BR>> record this family and provide the documentation I am missing? <BR>> <BR>> Kind Regards <BR>> Patti Molenaar <BR>> The Netherlands <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------- <BR>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <BR>> CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the <BR>> quotes in the subject and the body of the <BR>> message </blockquote> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
To Patti Molenaar Go to automatedgenealogy.com/census. This is the version done by volunteers. I, too, had trouble finding the 1881 census. I finally brought it up in the family search screen. Go to the census screen. I put in just Charles, born Quebec in 1812 + or- 5 years.. With the older age and the Quebec birth it was then right there. Interesting note that Charles may have been listed somewhere as Charles Hebert. On yourfolks.com a Jane Sawyer married a Charles Hebert in 1843 in Brome. According to your dates, Jane had John when she was about 15. Her parents could have objected to the marriage as she was a minor, & they were married later on & perhaps only after Charles agreed to be married in her church. I suspect Charles came from a Roman Catholic family. A lot of ifs. If you have ancestry.ca with the 1843 date and the Brome, you may possibly be able to check this out with the Drouin records Margaret Benelli. <!--<BR>--> <div>&nbsp;</div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid #1010ff 2px"> -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar &lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&gt;: -------------- <BR> <BR> <BR>> What a very interesting reply indeed! <BR>> Yes I do have the 1901 census report which gives Charles' birth date as 08 May 1808. However, his headstone (which I have a photo of) as well as other census reports and marriage records cite different birth dates so I purposely listed it <BR>> to be abt. 1812. <BR>> I don't seem to be able to get to the 1881 Census report on-line in order to review the notation you mentioned from the researcher and their contact details who stated that his wife was also a great great great granddaughter. I am so curious about that and hope I will be able to view it soon. Do you have the web <BR>> address to the page Charles appears on in the 1881 Census report by any chance? <BR>> In reference to the note saying Charles was a widower in 1881, I have found a Marriage record for "a" Charles LeBair and M. Ann Widden, Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1881, Registration Number: 59619, Source: Indexed by: Genealogical Research Library. I don't know if this is the same Charles because I can't view the <BR>> original record online. I do have a copy of his marriage record to Marie <BR>> Bourdineau, however. They were married on 5 July 1897. This marriage record <BR>> gives Charles place of birth as Pointe Levis Quebec and his age as 86 years <BR>> along with his estimated year of birth as abt 1811. It also lists his Fathers <BR>> Name as Chas Lebert and his mother's name as Louise Niesnard, which fits. It <BR>> also give the parents names for Marie Bourdineau, her age, est. birth year and <BR>> the marriage place as Victoria, Victoria County. Family History Library <BR>> Microfilm: MS932_94. <BR>> <BR>> Family history is full of surprises isn't it! <BR>> <BR>> Kind Regards <BR>> Patti Molenaar <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________ <BR>> From: "thomaslanefarm@att.net" <thomaslanefarm@att.net> <BR>> To: can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com <BR>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:22:48 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family information <BR>> <BR>> To Patti Molenaar: re: Charles LaBare <BR>> <BR>> You do not mention finding Charles in the 1901 census. I found <BR>> him by merging alternate spellings with LaBare. (Go to automated genealogy). <BR>> LaBare is spelled as LaBair. This census gives an exact <BR>> birthdate. His line is flagged with a note as to the 1881 census (Charles was a <BR>> widower in 1881), and, furthermore, a researcher has stated that his wife is <BR>> also a great great great granddaughter of Charles. <BR>> You may contact this researcher directly. <BR>> Margaret Benelli <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <!--&lt;BR&gt;--> <BR>> &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; <BR>> &lt;blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid <BR>> #1010ff 2px"&gt; <BR>> -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar <BR>> &amp;lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&amp;gt;: -------------- <BR>> &lt;BR&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt; <BR>> I am hoping someone can direct me to some records I havent been able to find <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; for my Great Great Great Grandfather and my Great Great <BR>> Grandfather LeBare: <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> Charles LEBAREwas born about 1812 in Point Levis, Quebec(unconfirmed). He died <BR>> 15 May 1903, in the city of Myrtle, Whitby Township, Missisquoi County, (Durham <BR>> Region) Ontario where he is buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of his <BR>> gravestone and a copy of his death record). According to a number of records I <BR>> have been able to obtain, he seems to have resided his entire adult life in <BR>> Whitby, MissisquoiCounty, (Durham Region) Ontario. He married Jane SAWYER (date <BR>> and place unknown) Jane SAWYER was born about 1819 (date and place unknown). She <BR>> died 28 Sep 1880, in the city of Myrtle, WhitbyTownship, Ontariowhere she is <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of her gravestone). <BR>> <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; The Children of Charles LEBARE and Jane SAWYER were: <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; i. George Adolphus LEBARE, born 9 Dec 1860, in Whitby Twp, <BR>> Ontario, died 19 <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Feb 1930, in BillingsTownshipManitoulin Isl., Ontario. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; ii. Margaret LEBARE, born 2 Sep 1840, in Myrtle, Ontario. She <BR>> married Samuel <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; MOORE. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; iii. Benjamin LEBARE. He married Diana ROSS. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; iv. John LEBARE, (my Great Great Grandfather) was born 2 Sep <BR>> 1834, in <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Quebec(unconfirmed). He married Martha Moore (date and place <BR>> unknown, name of <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; parents unknown). He died 27 May 1913, in Georgina Twp, Ontario. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; v. Charles Malcolm LEBAR. He married (1) Agnes Ruth TORETTE. He <BR>> married <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; (2) Catherine MURRAY. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; vi. Edward James LEBAR. He married (1) Elizabeth DEMERAY. He <BR>> married (2) <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Bessie REID. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Charles LeBare, his wife and several children appear on the 1891 <BR>> Census <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; (attached) but I cant seem to find him in the 1851 census. Can <BR>> anyone suggest <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; where I can find them? or can direct me to any early records in <BR>> Missisquoi that <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; record this family and provide the documentation I am missing? <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Kind Regards <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Patti Molenaar <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; The Netherlands <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; ------------------------------- <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word <BR>> 'unsubscribe' without the <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; quotes in the subject and the body of the &lt;BR&gt;&gt; message <BR>> &lt;/blockquote&gt; <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------- <BR>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <BR>> CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the <BR>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------- <BR>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <BR>> CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the <BR>> quotes in the subject and the body of the <BR>> message </blockquote>
To Patti Molenaar's question - Charles LeBare might possibly be Charles Hebert or Hubert, based on the fact that the -s- and the -h- are not pronounced in French, and the -l- was mistakenly tied to the last name, when it was pronounced, resulting in Charles LeBare. So, it may be that on the 1851 census, the census-taker used Hebert/Hubert? It's reaching, I know, but it happened in our line for one of the names I couldn't find. ----- Original Message ----- From: <thomaslanefarm@att.net> To: <can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family information > To Patti Molenaar: re: Charles LaBare > > You do not mention finding Charles in the 1901 census. I > found him by merging alternate spellings with LaBare. (Go to automated > genealogy). > LaBare is spelled as LaBair. This census gives an exact > birthdate. His line is flagged with a note as to the 1881 census (Charles > was a widower in 1881), and, furthermore, a researcher has stated that his > wife is also a great great great granddaughter of Charles. > You may contact this researcher directly. > Margaret Benelli > > > <!--<BR>--> > <div>&nbsp;</div> > <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: > solid #1010ff 2px"> > -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar > &lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&gt;: -------------- > <BR> > <BR> > I am hoping someone can direct me to some records I havent been able to > find > <BR>> for my Great Great Great Grandfather and my Great Great > Grandfather LeBare: > <BR>> > Charles LEBAREwas born about 1812 in Point Levis, Quebec(unconfirmed). He > died > 15 May 1903, in the city of Myrtle, Whitby Township, Missisquoi County, > (Durham > Region) Ontario where he is buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo > of his > gravestone and a copy of his death record). According to a number of > records I > have been able to obtain, he seems to have resided his entire adult life > in > Whitby, MissisquoiCounty, (Durham Region) Ontario. He married Jane SAWYER > (date > and place unknown) Jane SAWYER was born about 1819 (date and place > unknown). She > died 28 Sep 1880, in the city of Myrtle, WhitbyTownship, Ontariowhere she > is > <BR>> buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a photo of her > gravestone). > <BR>> > <BR>> The Children of Charles LEBARE and Jane SAWYER were: > <BR>> > <BR>> i. George Adolphus LEBARE, born 9 Dec 1860, in Whitby Twp, > Ontario, died 19 > <BR>> Feb 1930, in BillingsTownshipManitoulin Isl., Ontario. > <BR>> > <BR>> ii. Margaret LEBARE, born 2 Sep 1840, in Myrtle, Ontario. > She married Samuel > <BR>> MOORE. > <BR>> > <BR>> iii. Benjamin LEBARE. He married Diana ROSS. > <BR>> > <BR>> iv. John LEBARE, (my Great Great Grandfather) was born 2 > Sep 1834, in > <BR>> Quebec(unconfirmed). He married Martha Moore (date and > place unknown, name of > <BR>> parents unknown). He died 27 May 1913, in Georgina Twp, > Ontario. > <BR>> > <BR>> v. Charles Malcolm LEBAR. He married (1) Agnes Ruth > TORETTE. He married > <BR>> (2) Catherine MURRAY. > <BR>> > <BR>> vi. Edward James LEBAR. He married (1) Elizabeth DEMERAY. > He married (2) > <BR>> Bessie REID. > <BR>> > <BR>> Charles LeBare, his wife and several children appear on the > 1891 Census > <BR>> (attached) but I cant seem to find him in the 1851 census. > Can anyone suggest > <BR>> where I can find them? or can direct me to any early > records in Missisquoi that > <BR>> record this family and provide the documentation I am > missing? > <BR>> > <BR>> Kind Regards > <BR>> Patti Molenaar > <BR>> The Netherlands > <BR>> > <BR>> ------------------------------- > <BR>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > <BR>> CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > <BR>> quotes in the subject and the body of the <BR>> > message > </blockquote> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message