Hi Patti, Bring up the 1901 census screen & go to Ontario south as you would on ancestry. To get an alternate 1881 census (from Ancestry), you must go to : family search.org There is a lot more information on line after all. A descendant of Edward did a lot of research & posted way back. Jane's parents were John Sawyer and Sarah (Sally ) Campbell. Sarah was an American & probably the child of a loyalist. Charles and Jane may have been married by a justice. The reason for the 2/7/1843 date was that had to wait until a traveling missionary visited the area to have a church ceremony. In the early days of settlements, if word was received that a missionary would be passing through the area, word was sent out to local families & many would attend even if they had to sit on freshly cut logs and stumps. This was also common in the United States as the frontier spread westward. It appears that Charles and Jane had 12 or 13 children in all. There was a Minerva, John, Asa was born in 1839, (He settled in Peterborough), Margaret was born about 1840, Edward in 1844, Benjamin 1845, then Julia. Joseph was thought to have been born in Quebec also (1849), but in the Cornwall/Stormont census, he states Ontario. Jane's parents and her brother Benjamin also moved to Ontario. There is no question but that the younger LeBare children were born in Ontario Edwards' descendant believes that the LaBars were also loyalist related. (Possibly descended from American French Huguenots). This was not unknown. The Griggs family of the Eastern Townships had ancestors who had lived in the lower Hudson Valley of New York prior to the American Revolution. In this case, I am not so sure. In the 1901 census, Charles stated that his mother tongue was French. It is possible that Charles Sr. did have American ancestry, and became Roman Catholic because of his marriage to Louise of Lisette Menard. This is a lot of history. I hope you can correspond with one of your Canadian cousins soon. If in Ontario, there should be much more to be found. Margaret.. . <!--<BR>--> <div>&nbsp;</div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid #1010ff 2px"> -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar &lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&gt;: -------------- <BR> <BR> <BR>> Hi Margaret <BR>> I went to the website you said to go to but the only Census reports on the page it didn't include a census screen. It also didn't include the 1881 census. The only census reports I could select to search were the 1901, 1906, 1911, 1852CA, 1851NB census. I must have missed a step. Can you check back and let me know <BR>> please? <BR>> The name LeBert was changed from Hebert. I'll check youfolks.com for the Charles <BR>> Hebert as you suggested. <BR>> <BR>> Kind Regards <BR>> Patti <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________ <BR>> From: "thomaslanefarm@att.net" <thomaslanefarm@att.net> <BR>> To: can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com <BR>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:24:11 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family information <BR>> <BR>> To Patti Molenaar Go to automatedgenealogy.com/census. This is the version <BR>> done by volunteers. I, too, had trouble finding the 1881 census. I finally brought it up in the family search screen. Go to the census screen. I put in <BR>> just Charles, born Quebec in 1812 + or- 5 years.. With the older age and the <BR>> Quebec birth it was then right there. <BR>> Interesting note that Charles may have been listed <BR>> somewhere as Charles Hebert. On yourfolks.com a Jane Sawyer married a Charles <BR>> Hebert in 1843 in Brome. According to your dates, Jane had John when she was <BR>> about 15. Her parents could have objected to the marriage as she was a minor, & <BR>> they were married later on & perhaps only after Charles agreed to be married in <BR>> her church. I suspect Charles came from a Roman Catholic family. A lot of <BR>> ifs. If you have ancestry.ca with the 1843 date and the Brome, you may possibly <BR>> be able to check this out with the Drouin records <BR>> Margaret Benelli. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <!--&lt;BR&gt;--> <BR>> &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; <BR>> &lt;blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: solid <BR>> #1010ff 2px"&gt; <BR>> -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar <BR>> &amp;lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&amp;gt;: -------------- <BR>> &lt;BR&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; What a very interesting reply indeed! <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> Yes I do have the 1901 census report which gives Charles' birth date as 08 May <BR>> 1808. However, his headstone (which I have a photo of) as well as other census <BR>> reports and marriage records cite different birth dates so I purposely listed it <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; to be abt. 1812. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> I don't seem to be able to get to the 1881 Census report on-line in order to <BR>> review the notation you mentioned from the researcher and their contact details <BR>> who stated that his wife was also a great great great granddaughter. I am so <BR>> curious about that and hope I will be able to view it soon. Do you have the web <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; address to the page Charles appears on in the 1881 Census report <BR>> by any chance? <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> In reference to the note saying Charles was a widower in 1881, I have found a <BR>> Marriage record for &quot;a&quot; Charles LeBair and M. Ann Widden, Marriage <BR>> Date: 28 Sep <BR>> 1881, Registration Number: 59619, Source: Indexed by: Genealogical Research <BR>> Library. I don't know if this is the same Charles because I can't view the <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; original record online. I do have a copy of his marriage record <BR>> to Marie <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Bourdineau, however. They were married on 5 July 1897. This <BR>> marriage record <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; gives Charles place of birth as Pointe Levis Quebec and his age <BR>> as 86 years <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; along with his estimated year of birth as abt 1811. It also lists <BR>> his Fathers <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Name as Chas Lebert and his mother's name as Louise Niesnard, <BR>> which fits. It <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; also give the parents names for Marie Bourdineau, her age, est. <BR>> birth year and <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; the marriage place as Victoria, Victoria County. Family History <BR>> Library <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Microfilm: MS932_94. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Family history is full of surprises isn't it! <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Kind Regards <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Patti Molenaar <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; ________________________________ <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; From: &quot;thomaslanefarm@att.net&quot; <BR>> &lt;thomaslanefarm@att.net&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; To: can-qc-missisquoi@rootsweb.com <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:22:48 PM <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [CAN-QC-MISSISQUOI] seeking LeBare and Moor family <BR>> information <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; To Patti Molenaar: re: Charles LaBare <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; You do not mention finding Charles in the 1901 <BR>> census. I found <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; him by merging alternate spellings with LaBare. (Go to automated <BR>> genealogy). <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; LaBare is spelled as LaBair. This census gives <BR>> an exact <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; birthdate. His line is flagged with a note as to the 1881 census <BR>> (Charles was a <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; widower in 1881), and, furthermore, a researcher has stated that <BR>> his wife is <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; also a great great great granddaughter of Charles. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; You may contact this researcher directly. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Margaret Benelli <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &lt;!--&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;--&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;blockquote style=&quot;padding-left: 5px; margin-left: <BR>> 5px; border-left: solid <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; #1010ff 2px&quot;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; -------------- Original message from Patti Molenaar <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;amp;lt;pattimolenaar@yahoo.com&amp;amp;gt;: -------------- <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; I am hoping someone can direct me to some records I havent been <BR>> able to find <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; for my Great Great Great Grandfather <BR>> and my Great Great <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Grandfather LeBare: <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Charles LEBAREwas born about 1812 in Point Levis, <BR>> Quebec(unconfirmed). He died <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; 15 May 1903, in the city of Myrtle, Whitby Township, Missisquoi <BR>> County, (Durham <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Region) Ontario where he is buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have <BR>> a photo of his <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; gravestone and a copy of his death record). According to a number <BR>> of records I <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; have been able to obtain, he seems to have resided his entire <BR>> adult life in <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Whitby, MissisquoiCounty, (Durham Region) Ontario. He married <BR>> Jane SAWYER (date <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; and place unknown) Jane SAWYER was born about 1819 (date and <BR>> place unknown). She <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; died 28 Sep 1880, in the city of Myrtle, WhitbyTownship, <BR>> Ontariowhere she is <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; buried in Hubbell's Cemetery (I have a <BR>> photo of her gravestone). <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The Children of Charles LEBARE and <BR>> Jane SAWYER were: <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; i. George Adolphus LEBARE, born 9 Dec <BR>> 1860, in Whitby Twp, <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Ontario, died 19 <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Feb 1930, in <BR>> BillingsTownshipManitoulin Isl., Ontario. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ii. Margaret LEBARE, born 2 Sep 1840, <BR>> in Myrtle, Ontario. She <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; married Samuel <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; MOORE. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; iii. Benjamin LEBARE. He married Diana <BR>> ROSS. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; iv. John LEBARE, (my Great Great <BR>> Grandfather) was born 2 Sep <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; 1834, in <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Quebec(unconfirmed). He married Martha <BR>> Moore (date and place <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; unknown, name of <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; parents unknown). He died 27 May 1913, <BR>> in Georgina Twp, Ontario. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; v. Charles Malcolm LEBAR. He married <BR>> (1) Agnes Ruth TORETTE. He <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; married <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (2) Catherine MURRAY. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; vi. Edward James LEBAR. He married (1) <BR>> Elizabeth DEMERAY. He <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; married (2) <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Bessie REID. <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Charles LeBare, his wife and several <BR>> children appear on the 1891 <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; Census <BR>> &lt;BR&gt;&gt; &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (attached) but I cant seem to find him <BR>> in the 1851 census. 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