Hi Paul: I found these Methodist records for Simpson that I thought you might find of interest. Robert of Barrie and Frederick of Oro were two of the men who I thought might be possible brothers of Ezra (and sons of William and Ann). This eliminates Thomas, born 1844 as your Thomas. I found their burials in the Barrie Union Cemetery records. Robert 1817 - 1891 was born in Salton, Yorkshire, England. His first wife was Sarah Ann 1816 - 1874 and his second wife was Margaret who died in 1891 at the age of 45 years. Robert's son, Thomas was born in 1844 and died in 1900 and was single. Baptismal records: 1 392 Simcoe Barrie, town Eli Simpson Robert Sarah Innisfil Innisfil 1843-05-06 1843-05-21 Barrie Brownell, Rev. S. 1 394 Simcoe Innisfil Twp. Thomas Simpson Robert Sarah A. Innisfil Innisfil 1844-09-16 1848-01-04 Innisfil Lever, Rev. John This is the same family on the 1881 census as Robert, age 44 on the 1861 census in Barrie with a new wife. Robert SIMPSON M Male English 64 England Brewer Church of England Margaret SIMPSON M Female Scottish 35 Scotland Church of England Thomas W. SIMPSON Male English 36 Ontario Brewer Church of England George R. SIMPSON Male English 2 Ontario Church of England Mary ELLIS M Female English 23 England Servant Church of England Source Information: Census Place Barrie, Simcoe North, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375887 NA Film Number C-13251 District 139 Sub-district F Division 2 Page Number 56 Household Number 266 Hope this adds to your records. Sometimes eliminating possibilities is the only way to get to the information you need. Lynne. From: robins0379@rogers.comTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comCC: software@yellowknife.com; dent_48@hotmail.comSubject: RE: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson FamilyDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:26:53 -0500 Patricia, and Lynne ……… Thanks for the input ! The thought of illegitimacy crossed my mind, and I put it forward as a distinct possibility. It seems strange , that a young man getting married, would not know his fathers first name !!! Another possibility is that the Church, where they were married, did not want a record on their books, of a (base-born child – as the English described it) being given sacraments in their faith. Thomas Simpson gives his birth date as August 22, 1854, on the 1901 Census. He should be shown as 6 years old on the 1861 census .. which makes him too young for either of the two possibilities that turn up in Flos Township Census of 1861 .. working with Mother SARAH and son Thomas. Birth certificates in ONTARIO, as recently as 1940, bore the words ILLEGITIMATE , if such was the case. I know of one fellow who only found out , of his status, WHEN HE APPLIED FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE UPON JOINING THE ARMY …. Probably to prove his age. He received it as a hard blow, not knowing the truth up until that point. We have a case, within our family tree, of two children, dying as teenagers, buried with their parents, but the parents are referred to on the tombstone with the parents MIDDLE NAMES. We were a long time sorting this one out .. until it was discovered that the parents were not legally married, until several years after the children’s births. The later born children were buried under the parents FIRST NAMES. The CHURCH OF ENGLAND COMMUNITY, of which the family was part, probably assumed that the older children were a niece and nephew !!!!! But, I digress ……… thank Goodness that enlightenment has come to this Corner of Simcoe County ! Paul Robins -----Original Message-----From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of software@yellowknife.comSent: November-26-07 4:45 AMTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family Lynne Kemp wrote: > ... Do you know who Thomas' (who married Sarah > Archibald in King in 1873) father is? It just > gives his mother, Sarah's, name on their > marriage registration. ... Just weighing in here, but I've noticed that generally when only the mother's name is given on a vital statistics registration, that the father is "unknown." Although he evidently knew the mother, she bore the child illegitimately, and the father chose not to acknowledge it. That may not be the case in this instance, but it's a possibility that should be considered. Patricia (in Yellowknife) _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122

My gr grandmother was Margaret "Jean" Simpson who was born 1855 in Edinborough Scotland. She came to Canada with her brother, Robert, and Mother in 1866. Margaret 'Jean' married Edward Cosford Garbutt. They farmed at Glenallen. Do you have a connection to this family? Judy -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Kemp Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:35 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family Hi Paul: I found these Methodist records for Simpson that I thought you might find of interest. Robert of Barrie and Frederick of Oro were two of the men who I thought might be possible brothers of Ezra (and sons of William and Ann). This eliminates Thomas, born 1844 as your Thomas. I found their burials in the Barrie Union Cemetery records. Robert 1817 - 1891 was born in Salton, Yorkshire, England. His first wife was Sarah Ann 1816 - 1874 and his second wife was Margaret who died in 1891 at the age of 45 years. Robert's son, Thomas was born in 1844 and died in 1900 and was single. Baptismal records: 1 392 Simcoe Barrie, town Eli Simpson Robert Sarah Innisfil Innisfil 1843-05-06 1843-05-21 Barrie Brownell, Rev. S. 1 394 Simcoe Innisfil Twp. Thomas Simpson Robert Sarah A. Innisfil Innisfil 1844-09-16 1848-01-04 Innisfil Lever, Rev. John This is the same family on the 1881 census as Robert, age 44 on the 1861 census in Barrie with a new wife. Robert SIMPSON M Male English 64 England Brewer Church of England Margaret SIMPSON M Female Scottish 35 Scotland Church of England Thomas W. SIMPSON Male English 36 Ontario Brewer Church of England George R. SIMPSON Male English 2 Ontario Church of England Mary ELLIS M Female English 23 England Servant Church of England Source Information: Census Place Barrie, Simcoe North, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375887 NA Film Number C-13251 District 139 Sub-district F Division 2 Page Number 56 Household Number 266 Hope this adds to your records. Sometimes eliminating possibilities is the only way to get to the information you need. Lynne. From: robins0379@rogers.comTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comCC: software@yellowknife.com; dent_48@hotmail.comSubject: RE: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson FamilyDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:26:53 -0500 Patricia, and Lynne ……… Thanks for the input ! The thought of illegitimacy crossed my mind, and I put it forward as a distinct possibility. It seems strange , that a young man getting married, would not know his fathers first name !!! Another possibility is that the Church, where they were married, did not want a record on their books, of a (base-born child – as the English described it) being given sacraments in their faith. Thomas Simpson gives his birth date as August 22, 1854, on the 1901 Census. He should be shown as 6 years old on the 1861 census .. which makes him too young for either of the two possibilities that turn up in Flos Township Census of 1861 .. working with Mother SARAH and son Thomas. Birth certificates in ONTARIO, as recently as 1940, bore the words ILLEGITIMATE , if such was the case. I know of one fellow who only found out , of his status, WHEN HE APPLIED FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE UPON JOINING THE ARMY …. Probably to prove his age. He received it as a hard blow, not knowing the truth up until that point. We have a case, within our family tree, of two children, dying as teenagers, buried with their parents, but the parents are referred to on the tombstone with the parents MIDDLE NAMES. We were a long time sorting this one out .. until it was discovered that the parents were not legally married, until several years after the children’s births. The later born children were buried under the parents FIRST NAMES. The CHURCH OF ENGLAND COMMUNITY, of which the family was part, probably assumed that the older children were a niece and nephew !!!!! But, I digress ……… thank Goodness that enlightenment has come to this Corner of Simcoe County ! Paul Robins -----Original Message-----From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of software@yellowknife.comSent: November-26-07 4:45 AMTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family Lynne Kemp wrote: > ... Do you know who Thomas' (who married Sarah > Archibald in King in 1873) father is? It just > gives his mother, Sarah's, name on their > marriage registration. ... Just weighing in here, but I've noticed that generally when only the mother's name is given on a vital statistics registration, that the father is "unknown." Although he evidently knew the mother, she bore the child illegitimately, and the father chose not to acknowledge it. That may not be the case in this instance, but it's a possibility that should be considered. Patricia (in Yellowknife) _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. 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MY APOLOGIES, for a tardy reply !!! I know of no immediate connection. Cora Maud Simpson was my wife's maternal Grandmother. Lydia Amelia Simpson was her step-grandmother.. who insisted on being called AUNT LYDIA, rather than Grandmother. I have just been trying to establish whether, by chance, the two were related !!!!!! Thanks for your interest. Paul Robins -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Konojacki Sent: November-30-07 12:15 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family My gr grandmother was Margaret "Jean" Simpson who was born 1855 in Edinborough Scotland. She came to Canada with her brother, Robert, and Mother in 1866. Margaret 'Jean' married Edward Cosford Garbutt. They farmed at Glenallen. Do you have a connection to this family? Judy -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Kemp Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:35 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family Hi Paul: I found these Methodist records for Simpson that I thought you might find of interest. Robert of Barrie and Frederick of Oro were two of the men who I thought might be possible brothers of Ezra (and sons of William and Ann). This eliminates Thomas, born 1844 as your Thomas. I found their burials in the Barrie Union Cemetery records. Robert 1817 - 1891 was born in Salton, Yorkshire, England. His first wife was Sarah Ann 1816 - 1874 and his second wife was Margaret who died in 1891 at the age of 45 years. Robert's son, Thomas was born in 1844 and died in 1900 and was single. Baptismal records: 1 392 Simcoe Barrie, town Eli Simpson Robert Sarah Innisfil Innisfil 1843-05-06 1843-05-21 Barrie Brownell, Rev. S. 1 394 Simcoe Innisfil Twp. Thomas Simpson Robert Sarah A. Innisfil Innisfil 1844-09-16 1848-01-04 Innisfil Lever, Rev. John This is the same family on the 1881 census as Robert, age 44 on the 1861 census in Barrie with a new wife. Robert SIMPSON M Male English 64 England Brewer Church of England Margaret SIMPSON M Female Scottish 35 Scotland Church of England Thomas W. SIMPSON Male English 36 Ontario Brewer Church of England George R. SIMPSON Male English 2 Ontario Church of England Mary ELLIS M Female English 23 England Servant Church of England Source Information: Census Place Barrie, Simcoe North, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375887 NA Film Number C-13251 District 139 Sub-district F Division 2 Page Number 56 Household Number 266 Hope this adds to your records. Sometimes eliminating possibilities is the only way to get to the information you need. Lynne. From: robins0379@rogers.comTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comCC: software@yellowknife.com; dent_48@hotmail.comSubject: RE: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson FamilyDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:26:53 -0500 Patricia, and Lynne ... Thanks for the input ! The thought of illegitimacy crossed my mind, and I put it forward as a distinct possibility. It seems strange , that a young man getting married, would not know his fathers first name !!! Another possibility is that the Church, where they were married, did not want a record on their books, of a (base-born child - as the English described it) being given sacraments in their faith. Thomas Simpson gives his birth date as August 22, 1854, on the 1901 Census. He should be shown as 6 years old on the 1861 census .. which makes him too young for either of the two possibilities that turn up in Flos Township Census of 1861 .. working with Mother SARAH and son Thomas. Birth certificates in ONTARIO, as recently as 1940, bore the words ILLEGITIMATE , if such was the case. I know of one fellow who only found out , of his status, WHEN HE APPLIED FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE UPON JOINING THE ARMY .. Probably to prove his age. He received it as a hard blow, not knowing the truth up until that point. We have a case, within our family tree, of two children, dying as teenagers, buried with their parents, but the parents are referred to on the tombstone with the parents MIDDLE NAMES. We were a long time sorting this one out .. until it was discovered that the parents were not legally married, until several years after the children's births. The later born children were buried under the parents FIRST NAMES. The CHURCH OF ENGLAND COMMUNITY, of which the family was part, probably assumed that the older children were a niece and nephew !!!!! But, I digress ... thank Goodness that enlightenment has come to this Corner of Simcoe County ! Paul Robins