Hi Deb, And indeed, a Happy New Year to you, along with my / our thanks for all your wonderful and interesting posts. I know this wasn't the intended purpose of your post but you rang one of my "unfinished business" bells so I thought you might be able to answer a dumb question which has been plaguing me for several years now: The second profession you list is "Agent" and I have seen this same term listed in many older business directories. The thing is that exactly what an "Agent" does seems to be something of a mystery. There are many agents listed in the directories where the goods, services, or whatever, they deal with (agent for?) are listed right along with the term. So you will get a Dry Goods Agent, or a Ships Agent, etc., etc. and most of these are self explanatory but it does appear that a (just) "Agent" is something different. I have tried all sorts of search engines and search methodologies but one weakness the Internet has is in identifying a very specific meaning for a term/word which is commonly linked with other explanatory terms, i.e., just like this. It gives you definitions for all sorts of Agents (as per. the examples above) but if there is a definition of what a (just) "Agent" does it is buried in the heap and beyond my abilities to extract. From inference and hints my best guess to date is that we would term him an Investor, an Entrepreneur, a Stock Broker, or even just a plain old Loan Shark, today but if you, or anyone on the list who actually knows for a fact, can really tie this term down for me, you would be resolving a very long term question mark in my poor old brain. Keep up the good work! Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca FACEBOOK: http://tinyurl.com/ACDB-Can-on-Facebook On 30 Dec, 2010, at 3:00 AM, can-ont-simcoe-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 07:49:44 -0500 > From: Deborah Crawford <deborahc8@gmail.com> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] 1920s occupations > To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTik8jxJ-auo2yiS9xt2_R-zX5aty4BqMS08iFJjh@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Good morning folks. Hope one and all have had an enjoyable Christmas, and > are looking forward to new adventures in 2011. > > Regulars to the list have read my posts regarding the great collection of > unusual documents and treasures in the Family History Research Center at the > Penetanguishene Centennial Museum. A big part of our collection were > ledgers and such kept by Mr. W.H. Hewson, town clerk and solicitor for much > of the population. When having the good fortune to transcribe his ledgers, > I quite often extract information that may be of interest to researchers, > and for the study of the local population of the day. Periodically, I post > this information here as well. So - because I have some time on my hands > today I thought I'd post a list of occupations from the 1920's, extracted > from a conveyancing ledger that spans the time period of 1 May 1921 to 14 > February 1927. Museum ACC# is 97103-27; and the transcription is on the > shelves of the research center. > > If you see a familiar name and really absolutely honestly cannot make it up > to the museum to look at the transcription, drop me a line off-list and when > and if I have the time, I'll provide the extract to you. Otherwise, take it > as one more reason that you must pop in to the museum and have a look around > (shameless self promotion alert). Unless otherwise noted, residents are > from Penetanguishene. > > In alphabetical order - the first few occupations and residents listed are: > > Advertising Agent: Fred Rutherford, Jr (Midland) August 1922 and William J. > Walker (Barrie) September 1922 > > Agent: William M. Walker (Barrie) July 1922 > > Artisan: Joseph D'Aoust August 1922, Joseph Desrochers September 1921, > Miles Fitzpatrick March 1922, Joseph Hall (Midland), Joseph Klug, Jr. May > 1922, June 1922, Joseph Klug, Sr. May 1922, June 1922, John Lepage June > 1922, Arthur Packwood December 1922, William Paws December 1922, John > Sweanor June 1922 > > Bank Clerk: Walter Ellis Scott January 1922 > > Barber: Sheldon Ego September 1921, William Webster September 1922 > > Blacksmith: Adjutor Gignac September 1921 > > Blacksmith & Implement Agent: Mark Little (Elmvale) August 1922 > > Contractor and builder: Napoleon Payette January 1922 > > Cook: Henry Brissette September 1922, Marcel Lemieux June 1922 > > Division Court Clerk: William John Martin May 1922 > > Drayman: Hermengilde Picotte June 1922 > > Electrician: Oscar Louis Dubeau September 1921 > > Engineer: Herbert Edgar Bowles March 1922 > > I'll end here. The next occupation I'll start with is "esquire" (I know > this isn't really an occupation, but it's how many were referred to). > > Enjoy. > > Deborah Crawford > > > ------------------------------

Good morning folks. Hope one and all have had an enjoyable Christmas, and are looking forward to new adventures in 2011. Regulars to the list have read my posts regarding the great collection of unusual documents and treasures in the Family History Research Center at the Penetanguishene Centennial Museum. A big part of our collection were ledgers and such kept by Mr. W.H. Hewson, town clerk and solicitor for much of the population. When having the good fortune to transcribe his ledgers, I quite often extract information that may be of interest to researchers, and for the study of the local population of the day. Periodically, I post this information here as well. So - because I have some time on my hands today I thought I'd post a list of occupations from the 1920's, extracted from a conveyancing ledger that spans the time period of 1 May 1921 to 14 February 1927. Museum ACC# is 97103-27; and the transcription is on the shelves of the research center. If you see a familiar name and really absolutely honestly cannot make it up to the museum to look at the transcription, drop me a line off-list and when and if I have the time, I'll provide the extract to you. Otherwise, take it as one more reason that you must pop in to the museum and have a look around (shameless self promotion alert). Unless otherwise noted, residents are from Penetanguishene. In alphabetical order - the first few occupations and residents listed are: Advertising Agent: Fred Rutherford, Jr (Midland) August 1922 and William J. Walker (Barrie) September 1922 Agent: William M. Walker (Barrie) July 1922 Artisan: Joseph D'Aoust August 1922, Joseph Desrochers September 1921, Miles Fitzpatrick March 1922, Joseph Hall (Midland), Joseph Klug, Jr. May 1922, June 1922, Joseph Klug, Sr. May 1922, June 1922, John Lepage June 1922, Arthur Packwood December 1922, William Paws December 1922, John Sweanor June 1922 Bank Clerk: Walter Ellis Scott January 1922 Barber: Sheldon Ego September 1921, William Webster September 1922 Blacksmith: Adjutor Gignac September 1921 Blacksmith & Implement Agent: Mark Little (Elmvale) August 1922 Contractor and builder: Napoleon Payette January 1922 Cook: Henry Brissette September 1922, Marcel Lemieux June 1922 Division Court Clerk: William John Martin May 1922 Drayman: Hermengilde Picotte June 1922 Electrician: Oscar Louis Dubeau September 1921 Engineer: Herbert Edgar Bowles March 1922 I'll end here. The next occupation I'll start with is "esquire" (I know this isn't really an occupation, but it's how many were referred to). Enjoy. Deborah Crawford

Just me - "she who roots around old papers"; with a little entry for today. Going through the papers for the Town of Penetanguishene (municipal letters) I come across many requests for birth certificates, and the files for 1927 bear no shortage of such. One is of interest in that it demonstrates how the obsession we have for exact dates is a fairly recent one, and why it is, at times, so difficult to pin down dates from not so long ago. Case in point - letter dated 5 January 1927 from Thiel's Mill, in North Collins, New York hoping to obtain a copy of a birth certificate for Mary E. MALONEY, daughter of James MALONEY and Jane JOHNSON born in the village (Penetanguishene) on November 4 - BETWEEN THE YEARS 1847 TO 1853. The letter goes on to ask "can you give us the correct year? She was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church in your village. The town clerk, Mr. W.H. Hewson, replied on January 10 that they have no municipal records for that early date, but that Father Brunelle, "went to considerable trouble to unearth the information" and though in his reply he doesn't list the year, he notes that the date of birth was 3rd of November not the 4th, and that the father was listed as John MALONEY instead of James. Fortunately for us, we now have the advantage of transcriptions and records, thanks to a network of dedicated volunteers and such, and we can quickly find that Mary Elisabethe MALONE was baptised on 11 November 1849 at age 8 days, daughter of John MALONEY and Jane JOHNSON; sponsors were Andre DUSAUME and Marguerite KELLEY. For your interest, siblings for Mary E. MALONEY included James MALONEY baptised 10 May 1843 at age 3 weeks, sponsors Thomas LANAGAN and Sara MAYNE; Meline Jane MALONEY baptised 2 April 1846 at age 10 months, sponsors John CUTTER and Jane LAQUERRE, Thomas MALONEY baptised 5 January 1853 at age 3 weeks with sponsors John STEPHENS and Mary LANAGAN; and Thomas Jean MALONEY baptised 16 December 1841 at age 2 weeks, sponsors G. GORDON and Susane JANSON. Transcription St. Ann's Church Penetanguishene, LDS Microfilm #1305885, 1305886 and 1305887 Thought you might find that query of long ago of interest. Deborah

Both my father and my husband worked in CCC in the 1930s here in the states, my dad at the Norris camp, now the Red Lake Wildlife Management Area and my husband helped build the downtown airport here. I kind of like that I am often prompted to think of them when I either go past the airport or read something about the area where my father worked. It is nice to know that they both contributed to a lasting contribution to our lives and so have living memorials to them to this day. Annie in Minnesota In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:53:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, ndharper@hotmail.com writes: Anyway - the next time I drive Hwy 400 N/69 N or Hwy 11 towards North Bay, I > will think of these men and their hard work. > > Since 1931 wasn't that long ago, I don't think I should list the mens names > here - but I thought you'd enjoy hearing of the circumstances. > > Think of these hard working young men as we're sitting in our nice warm > homes tonight; with warm boots & breeches, should we choose to go out of > doors. > > Deborah Crawford

I would think these were similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) camps in the US. In that case, the quote of 15 was a cap. Two of my uncles were lucky enough to be enrolled in the CCC. The little they earned went home, where is made a great deal of difference. > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:23:25 -0500 > From: deborahc8@gmail.com > To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Relief work c 1931 Penetanguishene area > > Rooting around some 1931 town papers lately (Penetanguishene), I came upon a > series of letters regarding "Relief Work Program" that I thought you all > might find of interest. 1931 - the country was still feeling the effects of > The Depression and times were extremely tough for many. The file contains > many letters to the town officials begging for assistance with tax payments, > finding work, etc. Unemployment (Relief) was far different than we know it > today. The Relief Program in town put men to work sanding roads and > sidewalks, keeping the local rink clear, etc. One Relief program surprised > me - and it may surprise you as well. Did you know that portions of The > Trans-Canada Highway were cleared and created by teams of young men as part > of the relief programs? A series of letters from several men (some of these > men were only 17 - 18 years old) from the camps set up in the northern > regions - Sundridge and the Magnetawan area are two that are mentioned. The > men were ill equipped for the jobs - several letters are requests for > "rubber boots with leather tops, 18" high", or a set of warm britches, size > 38; warm socks etc. It sounds like some camps had a "van" that toured the > work camps selling this gear, but some, like the Lennox #4 camp in Sundridge > did not; and the men were forced to remain in camp, not making any money, > until warm clothing could be sent. > > Municipalities apparently had a quota of men to send; for instance > Penetanguishene had a quota of 15 men for the "draft of unemployed being > sent to work on the Trans-Canada Highway". The men were given medical > examinations and transportation. The single men were supposed to be over 19 > years of age, but I know for sure that at least one of them was a mere 17 > years old. Though the call went out for only 15 men, the town also > submitted a list of men from 12 surrounding municipalities who wished to be > noted as being available. This list contained 57 names. Times must have > been so difficult; it's hard for us to imagine how bad it was. The > communities listed were Wyevale, Wyebridge, Waverly, Midland RR 2, > Penetanguishene RR2, Lefaives, Perkinsfield, Elmvale RR3, Lafontaine, > Hillsdale, Penetanguishene P.O. and Midland P.O. > > Anyway - the next time I drive Hwy 400 N/69 N or Hwy 11 towards North Bay, I > will think of these men and their hard work. > > Since 1931 wasn't that long ago, I don't think I should list the mens names > here - but I thought you'd enjoy hearing of the circumstances. > > Think of these hard working young men as we're sitting in our nice warm > homes tonight; with warm boots & breeches, should we choose to go out of > doors. > > Deborah Crawford > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rooting around some 1931 town papers lately (Penetanguishene), I came upon a series of letters regarding "Relief Work Program" that I thought you all might find of interest. 1931 - the country was still feeling the effects of The Depression and times were extremely tough for many. The file contains many letters to the town officials begging for assistance with tax payments, finding work, etc. Unemployment (Relief) was far different than we know it today. The Relief Program in town put men to work sanding roads and sidewalks, keeping the local rink clear, etc. One Relief program surprised me - and it may surprise you as well. Did you know that portions of The Trans-Canada Highway were cleared and created by teams of young men as part of the relief programs? A series of letters from several men (some of these men were only 17 - 18 years old) from the camps set up in the northern regions - Sundridge and the Magnetawan area are two that are mentioned. The men were ill equipped for the jobs - several letters are requests for "rubber boots with leather tops, 18" high", or a set of warm britches, size 38; warm socks etc. It sounds like some camps had a "van" that toured the work camps selling this gear, but some, like the Lennox #4 camp in Sundridge did not; and the men were forced to remain in camp, not making any money, until warm clothing could be sent. Municipalities apparently had a quota of men to send; for instance Penetanguishene had a quota of 15 men for the "draft of unemployed being sent to work on the Trans-Canada Highway". The men were given medical examinations and transportation. The single men were supposed to be over 19 years of age, but I know for sure that at least one of them was a mere 17 years old. Though the call went out for only 15 men, the town also submitted a list of men from 12 surrounding municipalities who wished to be noted as being available. This list contained 57 names. Times must have been so difficult; it's hard for us to imagine how bad it was. The communities listed were Wyevale, Wyebridge, Waverly, Midland RR 2, Penetanguishene RR2, Lefaives, Perkinsfield, Elmvale RR3, Lafontaine, Hillsdale, Penetanguishene P.O. and Midland P.O. Anyway - the next time I drive Hwy 400 N/69 N or Hwy 11 towards North Bay, I will think of these men and their hard work. Since 1931 wasn't that long ago, I don't think I should list the mens names here - but I thought you'd enjoy hearing of the circumstances. Think of these hard working young men as we're sitting in our nice warm homes tonight; with warm boots & breeches, should we choose to go out of doors. Deborah Crawford

Greetings All FYI. The latest issue of 'Gordon Watts Reports' is now online and accessible at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazgw/gazgw-0127.htm Topics in this column include: * Long-form Census * Second Court action taken on long-form Census * Merry Christmas May I take this time to wish each of you the Very Merriest Christmas, and a Fantastic New Year! If you are travelling during this festive time of year, please be careful. Take a little extra time to ensure you arrive, and return home, safely. Have a great day!! Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, British Columbia Read my column, 'Gordon Watts Reports' at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/authors/authgw.htm

Hi Listers Can anyone shed light on this couple? I am looking for more information on George Robins who resided in Grey County. Listed in the 1851 census born c 1825. Would anyone know who his parents are? George Robins married Mary Jane Downie c 1828 from Kingston Ontario There first son William James Robins c 1847 was born in Toronto Ontario. Thank you

Hi Heather, Possibly I have something wrong here; Descendants of John Rutherford 1 John Rutherford b: 1822 in Sligo, Ireland d: Mar 20, 1893 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario . +Margaret Harvie b: 1828 d: 1866 *2nd Wife of John Rutherford: . +Thomasin James b: 1825 m: Apr 16, 1846 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1846 .. 2 William James Rutherford b: Nov 23, 1848 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Also I do not have Agnes. Do you have more that you can send?? Can I send you more. I just put my new tree on WorldConnect. Don Firsdon ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

Hi Don Edward Callais Rutherford died in Toronto on October 15, 1923 and is buried in Orillia with his parents at St. Andrew's St. James' Cemetery. Adam died in Beeton but is buried in Orillia. John Rutherford (1822(8)-1893 died in OroTwp) was married to Margaret Harvie (1828 - 1866) John's sister, Agnes, born Oro Twp 1829, unmarried, died January 11, 1913. All buried at St. Andrew's St. James' Cemetery in Orillia. Contact me off list for more information. aaron@bmts.com Heather -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Firsdon Sent: December 14, 2010 2:02 PM To: CAN-ONT-SIMCOE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] FIRSDON, GEORGE, RUTHERFORD Hello, I am looking for more info on any of the folks in the two trees below. Cheers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Don Firsdon in Florida Descendants of Allan Rutherford 1 Allan Rutherford b: 1778 in Ireland d: Aug 8, 1865 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario . +Mary A. Britton b: 1778 in Ireland .. 2 Frederick Rutherford b: 1816 in Sligo, Ireland d: 1861 ...... +Elizabeth Rutherford b: Oct 31, 1820 in Manor Hamilton, Leitrim, Ireland m: Oct 6, 1838 in Wesleyan Mission, Orillia, ON d: Dec 13, 1906 in Midland, ON ...... 3 Mary Ann Rutherford b: Jul 9, 1846 in Wesleyan Mission, Orillia, ON ...... 3 Margaret Jane Rutherford b: Jan 4, 1849 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Frederick Rutherford b: Dec 23, 1854 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1939 in Midland, ON .......... +Jane Matilda Fenden b: Abt. 1863 in London, England d: 1939 in Midland, ON ...... 3 Sarah Catherine Rutherford b: Jan 25, 1858 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario .. 2 James Rutherford b: 1820 in Sligo, Ireland ...... +Sarah Hannah George b: Aug 24, 1824 in St. Marylebone, London, Eng m: Mar 5, 1845 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: May 5, 1863 in Orillia, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada ...... 3 Allan Rutherford b: Jan 13, 1846 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Mary Ann Rutherford b: Jan 24, 1848 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Susan Rutherford b: 1850 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Adam Rutherford b: Mar 15, 1856 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Emma Rutherford b: 1858 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada .. 2 William Rutherford b: 1820 in Sligo, Ireland .. 2 Adam Rutherford b: May 1821 in Sligo, Ireland d: Nov 23, 1903 in Beeton, Simcoe Co., ON ...... +Jane George b: Oct 19, 1827 in St. Marylebone, St. Marys, London, England m: Mar 16, 1844 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: Dec 22, 1902 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Mary Isabella Jane Rutherford b: Oct 18, 1844 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1923 in Rochester, NY .......... +James Richard White m: 1869 in Cleveland, OH ...... 3 Allan Burress Rutherford b: Aug 3, 1846 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Adam James Rutherford b: Mar 10, 1849 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Charlotte Elizabeth Rutherford b: Dec 24, 1851 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario .......... +M. B. Wood ...... 3 Louisa Rutherford b: Jul 16, 1854 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Rebecca Tamson Rutherford b: Dec 25, 1856 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario, Canada d: May 12, 1935 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio .......... +John David Firsdon, aka David Fursdon b: Jan 15, 1848 in Portsea, Hampshire, England m: Bef. Jun 1, 1875 in Canada d: Sep 24, 1926 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio ...... 3 Alfred John Rutherford b: Apr 28, 1859 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 George Albert Rutherford b: Mar 5, 1862 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Anne Cordelia Rutherford b: Apr 10, 1864 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Edward Callais Rutherford b: Jan 16, 1868 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada d: Oct 15, 1923 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada .. 2 John Rutherford b: 1822 in Sligo, Ireland d: Mar 20, 1893 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... +Thomasin James b: 1825 m: Apr 16, 1846 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1846 ...... 3 William James Rutherford b: Nov 23, 1848

Hello, I am looking for more info on any of the folks in the two trees below. Cheers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Don Firsdon in Florida Descendants of Allan Rutherford 1 Allan Rutherford b: 1778 in Ireland d: Aug 8, 1865 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario . +Mary A. Britton b: 1778 in Ireland .. 2 Frederick Rutherford b: 1816 in Sligo, Ireland d: 1861 ...... +Elizabeth Rutherford b: Oct 31, 1820 in Manor Hamilton, Leitrim, Ireland m: Oct 6, 1838 in Wesleyan Mission, Orillia, ON d: Dec 13, 1906 in Midland, ON ...... 3 Mary Ann Rutherford b: Jul 9, 1846 in Wesleyan Mission, Orillia, ON ...... 3 Margaret Jane Rutherford b: Jan 4, 1849 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Frederick Rutherford b: Dec 23, 1854 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1939 in Midland, ON .......... +Jane Matilda Fenden b: Abt. 1863 in London, England d: 1939 in Midland, ON ...... 3 Sarah Catherine Rutherford b: Jan 25, 1858 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario .. 2 James Rutherford b: 1820 in Sligo, Ireland ...... +Sarah Hannah George b: Aug 24, 1824 in St. Marylebone, London, Eng m: Mar 5, 1845 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: May 5, 1863 in Orillia, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada ...... 3 Allan Rutherford b: Jan 13, 1846 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Mary Ann Rutherford b: Jan 24, 1848 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Susan Rutherford b: 1850 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Adam Rutherford b: Mar 15, 1856 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada ...... 3 Emma Rutherford b: 1858 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada .. 2 William Rutherford b: 1820 in Sligo, Ireland .. 2 Adam Rutherford b: May 1821 in Sligo, Ireland d: Nov 23, 1903 in Beeton, Simcoe Co., ON ...... +Jane George b: Oct 19, 1827 in St. Marylebone, St. Marys, London, England m: Mar 16, 1844 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: Dec 22, 1902 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Mary Isabella Jane Rutherford b: Oct 18, 1844 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1923 in Rochester, NY .......... +James Richard White m: 1869 in Cleveland, OH ...... 3 Allan Burress Rutherford b: Aug 3, 1846 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Adam James Rutherford b: Mar 10, 1849 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Charlotte Elizabeth Rutherford b: Dec 24, 1851 in Medonte Township, Simcoe Co., Ontario .......... +M. B. Wood ...... 3 Louisa Rutherford b: Jul 16, 1854 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Rebecca Tamson Rutherford b: Dec 25, 1856 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario, Canada d: May 12, 1935 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio .......... +John David Firsdon, aka David Fursdon b: Jan 15, 1848 in Portsea, Hampshire, England m: Bef. Jun 1, 1875 in Canada d: Sep 24, 1926 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio ...... 3 Alfred John Rutherford b: Apr 28, 1859 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 George Albert Rutherford b: Mar 5, 1862 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Anne Cordelia Rutherford b: Apr 10, 1864 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... 3 Edward Callais Rutherford b: Jan 16, 1868 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada d: Oct 15, 1923 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Canada .. 2 John Rutherford b: 1822 in Sligo, Ireland d: Mar 20, 1893 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario ...... +Thomasin James b: 1825 m: Apr 16, 1846 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario d: 1846 ...... 3 William James Rutherford b: Nov 23, 1848 ========================================================================= ======================== Descendants of John David Firsdon, aka David Fursdon 1 John David Firsdon, aka David Fursdon b: Jan 15, 1848 in Portsea, Hampshire, England d: Sep 24, 1926 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio . +Rebecca Tamson Rutherford b: Dec 25, 1856 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario, Canada m: Bef. Jun 1, 1875 in Canada d: May 12, 1935 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio .. 2 David Oliver Firsdon b: May 18, 1876 in Guelph, Wellington Co., Ontario, Canada d: May 6, 1939 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio ...... +Josephine Dougherty b: Oct 20, 1881 in Center Twp., Monroe Co., Ohio m: Oct 24, 1900 in Wayne Twp., Monroe Co., Ohio d: Jan 3, 1946 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio .. 2 Laura Firsdon b: Jun 30, 1877 in Listowel, Perth Co., Ontario, Canada d: Apr 10, 1901 in Indianapolis, Monroe, Indiana ...... +Sahakian .. 2 George W. Firsdon b: Mar 23, 1881 in Listowel, Perth North, Ontario, Canada d: Jul 21, 1961 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio ...... +Ida "Clara" Hyter b: Jul 18, 1886 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio m: 1918 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Oh d: Oct 13, 1962 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Oh .. 2 Ethel Florence Firsdon b: Apr 14, 1883 in Berlin, Waterloo Co., Ontario, Canada d: Mar 5, 1920 in London Twp, Monroe Co., Michigan ...... +Claude A. Teall b: Nov 19, 1878 in London Twp., Monroe Co., Michigan m: Mar 17, 1910 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio d: Nov 20, 1950 in Luna Pier, Michigan .. 2 James Adam Firsdon b: Sep 14, 1885 in Ingersoll, Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada d: Jun 26, 1961 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio ...... +Elizabeth Mae "Bessie" Dowd b: Apr 18, 1888 in Galway Co., Ireland m: Aug 11, 1908 in Boston, MA d: Jun 11, 1984 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Oh .. 2 Geneva Jane Firsdon b: Dec 1, 1887 in Ingersoll, Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada d: Apr 28, 1932 in Oregon, Lucas Co., Ohio ...... +Jesse G. L. Orwig b: Apr 24, 1889 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Oh m: Aug 9, 1910 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio d: Dec 6, 1964 in Merrill, Wood Co., Ohio .. 2 Amanda Pearl Firsdon b: Dec 1, 1890 in Orillia, Simcoe Co., Ontario, Canada d: Dec 12, 1972 in Sylvania, Lucas Co., Ohio ...... +Albert Moules b: Mar 1885 in Barnstaple, Devon, England m: Mar 8, 1911 in Windsor, Essex, Ontario .. 2 William Garfield Firsdon b: Oct 20, 1893 in Ohio d: Aug 29, 1973 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio ...... +Mary Haughton Bird b: Apr 19, 1896 in Bradley in the Moors, Staffordshire, England m: Jun 1, 1914 in Methodist Church, Toledo, OH d: Aug 5, 1921 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio .. *2nd Wife of William Garfield Firsdon: ...... +Bessie Quaid b: Oct 1, 1888 in Harrisburg, Dauphin Co., Pennsylvania m: Jun 27, 1925 in Detroit, Michigan d: Aug 24, 1961 in Toledo, Lucas, Ohio .. 2 Arthur M. Fursdon b: Jan 18, 1895 in Bowling Green, Wood Co, Ohio d: 1895 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio .. 2 Lillie Marie Fursdon b: Jan 6, 1898 in Bowling Green, Wood Co, Ohio d: 1898 in Bowling Green, Wood Co., Ohio ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d07bf588390b701f5m05duc

Thanks Pam I have been in touch with Chris and we are exchanging info. My best to you and Deb for the holiday season. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <can-ont-simcoe-request@rootsweb.com> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:00 AM Subject: CAN-ONT-SIMCOE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 289 > > > List Archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=can-ont-simcoe > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Columbus family (Pam Tessier) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:21:22 -0500 > From: Pam Tessier <pamtessier@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Columbus family > To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP377F48471B6EBE45F130BDA2110@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Chris, > > If you aren't contacted by a nice fellow named Bob (a Columbus > descendant) within the next few days, email me. > > Pam > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CAN-ONT-SIMCOE list administrator, send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CAN-ONT-SIMCOE mailing list, send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CAN-ONT-SIMCOE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 289 > ********************************************** >

Chris, If you aren't contacted by a nice fellow named Bob (a Columbus descendant) within the next few days, email me. Pam

does anyone on this list be related to the above family, in particular Francis Columbus and Emily Spring. Francis died in 1936 Penatang. His wife unknown and his children. Chris

Any one know anything else about this man? Relatives? Life after the War? Sgt. George T. (aka G.T.) CHRETIEN was born on 17 April 1916 to Amable Chretien and Marie Alice Moreau of Penetanguishene. He enlisted in the Canadian Air Force in Windsor, Ontario. He received his wings in Moncton, N.B. on 17 November 1941 and arrived in England 24 December 1941. G.T. received a shrapnel wound to his neck during a raid over Kiel, Germany. I have accounts of that raid and his heroism. Before his enlistment and after completing his schooling, he was a race horse groomer for J.S. Gordon. Pam

Hi everyone Apparently the URL in the press release I was sent is incorrect. The correct URL is http://ocapg.org. Following is the original announcement with the corrected URL ***** The Ontario Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists and the Canadiana Department, North York Central Library [Toronto Public Library] proudly present on 2 April 2011: Advanced Genealogical Skills: A Seminar with Elizabeth Shown Mills Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG, FNGS, FUGA, has been described as "the person who has had the greatest impact on genealogy in the post-Roots era." We are pleased to welcome this prominent educator and popular speaker. She will conduct a day-long seminar on advanced genealogical techniques and research methodology for experienced genealogists and serious family historians. Date/Time: 2 April 2011 – 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Place: Auditorium, 2nd Floor, North York Central Library, 5120 Yonge St., Toronto. Cost: $45 public admission, $20 OCAPG members. Registration: Online beginning 15 January 2011. Check our website for more information: http://ocapg.org. -- Follow my genealogy updates on Twitter http://twitter.com/LorineMS Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

Hi everyone Thought subscribers might find this interesting. I am planning to attend, it sounds wonderful! ***** The Ontario Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists and the Canadiana Department, North York Central Library [Toronto Public Library] proudly present on 2 April 2011: Advanced Genealogical Skills: A Seminar with Elizabeth Shown Mills Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG, FNGS, FUGA, has been described as "the person who has had the greatest impact on genealogy in the post-Roots era." We are pleased to welcome this prominent educator and popular speaker. She will conduct a day-long seminar on advanced genealogical techniques and research methodology for experienced genealogists and serious family historians. Date/Time: 2 April 2011 – 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Place: Auditorium, 2nd Floor, North York Central Library, 5120 Yonge St., Toronto. Cost: $45 public admission, $20 OCAPG members. Registration: Online beginning 15 January 2011. Check our website for more information: http://ocap.org. -- Follow my genealogy updates on Twitter http://twitter.com/LorineMS Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

Pam's message in part: "Born John Thomas BAXTER, in Penetanguishene 6 May 1902, he was referred to as just Thomas in most of the records. the message"................. Hi All, Rob McGinn in Thunder Bay here...See! I have not fallen off the planet! Descendents of the UEL Baxter family Pam has highlighted live here in Thunder Bay. I immediately forwarded Pam's message to them. The senior Baxter emailed me suggesting lunch at Rotary yesterday afternoon and I returned his message affirmative. So I showed up at Rotary Club of Port Arthur and no Mr. Baxter....Oh Well!!! I had fun anyway renewing my Rotary acquaintances ( I was a Rotarian for 23 years). It turns out Mr. Baxter only reads his emails periodically so he missed my return message to meet him and I am too deaf for the phone. This Baxter family has a detailed genealogy and they have promised to get me that book somehow..... I'll be back when I get it! Interestingly my son's father in law is also a UEL Baxter descendent for Simon Baxter of New Brunswick UE. Simon was from Connecticut. I have not been active on this list because I have pretty much completed research of my McGinns and Morris lines in Simcoe/Orillia thanks to many of you who are most helpful. I do read the messages though! I am a Shaver/Schaffer descendent! It is an interesting genealogy story and this summer saw a longstanding brick wall tumble. During the warm weather I slack off genealogy preferring golf, boating/fishing, yard work etc. Early July brought the finding at Ontario Archives by a good friend a document from 1842, Matilda Tp., Dundas, where John and Eliza McGinn were under William Cook of Matilda as parent. I had known that William Cook was "us" but I did not know how he was "us". William Cook m Rachel Shaver 1831. I knew Rachel was 30 or so when she married William so there was time for a previous marriage! So I asked Dr. Glen Lockwood of the Ottawa Diocesan Archives, Anglican Church, to search for a McGinn Shaver marriage. BINGO! 24 Aug 1824, Williamsburg, Daniel Mcgeen to Rachel Shaver, both Matilda. I have been 9 years trying to get back a McGinn generation!!!!!!!!!!! Daniel McGinn and 8-9 others came over 1820 and some settled in Matilda Tp., Dundas. This Roman Catholic family was from County Down, and Daniel married out of his faith probably causing family problems. Later in the summer/early fall we found that Daniel McGinn drowned in the St. Lawrence River 24 March 1828. Rachel took her 2 McGinn children to the second marriage and William Cook became their stepfather. Rachel Shaver McGinn dropped her married name "McGinn" after Daniel died and went by "Shaver" for reasons only she would know. So this explains our UEL heritage and our legend of being Roman Catholic in Northern Ireland. Rachel Shaver was the d/o Henry Shaver of Matilda who in turn was the s/o Philip Shaver and Elizabeth Angste UELs. John McGinn m Sarah Jane Cooke in Lansdowne 1854 and in 1869 he brought his family to Orillia where he ran a shoe merchant business until 1891 when he left the store to son William McGinn. William ran the store until the 1920s, when he moved to Toronto. John died 1905 and William Died 1937.

Hi Helen: No the cemetaries are at different locations. I have been to both. The Nottawasaga Presb. is very small and on the old church grounds on concession 4. Stayner cemetery is larger and in Stayner. I have been trying also to locate a grave site and do not know where to get the transcribes. If you have any success please keep me in mind. Thanks. Pat > From: lucy@efni.com > To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:25:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question > > Are those descriptions both for the same cemetery? I know that there's a > Stayner Union Cemetery.Is that the same as the Presbyterian Cemetery? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D O'" <conlin2004@hotmail.com> > To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question > > > > > > East Nottawasaga Presbyterian Cemetery > >>Lot/Concession: Concession 4, Lot 20 > >>Township: Nottawasaga Township > >>County/District: Simcoe County > >>Municipality: Township of Clearview formerly Nottasawaga & Sunnidale > >>Townships > >>Province: ON > > > > > > East Nottawasaga Presbyterian, Stayner: 1545 Fairgrounds Rd S > > > > > > Cheers! > > Doreen > > ======= > > > >> From: lucy@efni.com > >> To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:15:18 -0500 > >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question > >> > >> hello list > >> I hope someone can solve my question. > >> Robert Howie is buries in East Nottawasaga Presbyterian Cemetery with his > >> first wife, Harriet ( roy?) i can't find a death registration for her. > >> His 2nd wife Nancy (Gould) Howie is memorialized on a footstone in the > >> Stayner cemetery ,Whose plot is she in? is there a date on the footstone? > >> hope someone has the transcriptions for the Stayner Cemetery and the east > >> nottawasaga Presbyterisn one and can solve this issue and tell me just > >> where this presbyterian cemetery is!! > >> Helen.. > >> *****************> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > > ***************** > > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Pat. I'll let you know if I find them( without driving to Barrie!! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Roth" <pat.roth@sympatico.ca> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question > > Hi Helen: No the cemetaries are at different locations. I have been to > both. The Nottawasaga Presb. is very small and on the old church grounds > on concession 4. Stayner cemetery is larger and in Stayner. I have been > trying also to locate a grave site and do not know where to get the > transcribes. If you have any success please keep me in mind. Thanks. > > Pat >> From: lucy@efni.com >> To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:25:30 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question >> >> Are those descriptions both for the same cemetery? I know that there's a >> Stayner Union Cemetery.Is that the same as the Presbyterian Cemetery? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "D O'" <conlin2004@hotmail.com> >> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 7:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question >> >> >> > >> > East Nottawasaga Presbyterian Cemetery >> >>Lot/Concession: Concession 4, Lot 20 >> >>Township: Nottawasaga Township >> >>County/District: Simcoe County >> >>Municipality: Township of Clearview formerly Nottasawaga & Sunnidale >> >>Townships >> >>Province: ON >> > >> > >> > East Nottawasaga Presbyterian, Stayner: 1545 Fairgrounds Rd S >> > >> > >> > Cheers! >> > Doreen >> > ======= >> > >> >> From: lucy@efni.com >> >> To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com >> >> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:15:18 -0500 >> >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Nottawasaga and Stayner cemetery question >> >> >> >> hello list >> >> I hope someone can solve my question. >> >> Robert Howie is buries in East Nottawasaga Presbyterian Cemetery with >> >> his >> >> first wife, Harriet ( roy?) i can't find a death registration for her. >> >> His 2nd wife Nancy (Gould) Howie is memorialized on a footstone in the >> >> Stayner cemetery ,Whose plot is she in? is there a date on the >> >> footstone? >> >> hope someone has the transcriptions for the Stayner Cemetery and the >> >> east >> >> nottawasaga Presbyterisn one and can solve this issue and tell me just >> >> where this presbyterian cemetery is!! >> >> Helen.. >> >> *****************> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> > ***************** >> > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy >> > >> > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> ***************** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy >> >> Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >