To all who received the recent CAN-ONT-SIMCOE Digest, did you notice the cute little paperclip in the right-hand corner? That is what I meant by paperclip -- if you see one, please check address of sender before clicking on the paperclip. However, many of those dratted critters, called SPAM , have been caught and are forwarded to list admins in "bounces". This is how these postings are prevented from being received by subscribers. Muriel

Ooops, sorry Muriel! Did I try and send you off on vacation too early? Sorry about that! Saw your notice what you were "taking off" on the 7th failed to read the month properly. Personally, I'm glad to have you around as long as you like - on the other hand you deserve a good vacation as much, if not more than, any of us. As to your "rejects" - please do not send me any more SPAM! Believe me I already get my fair share! When your mail address is published on the web, as mine is, you become the target of every "spammer" that ever was. And just like you, I review every piece of SPAM just in case it's a genuine message which as been incorrectly caught. I'm sure we can all trust your judgement on rejecting the SPAM messages which are sent to the list, and thank you for doing the weeding for us.:-) Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca On 8 Jul, 2007, at 11:54, muriel m davidson wrote: > Hello Malcolm -- > Sorry to disappoint you, Malcolm -- unless you prefer a new > list admin -- I am not leaving for Nova Scotia until August - > please let me know. > There was one bounce to the Simcoe list which I am certain > nobody would care to have received -- list admins get rid of them > but this one included .pdf and was sent from uk > It had to be possibly dangerous or else Mailman would not have > bounced it -- wish they would dump the critters themselves. > Let me know -- do youwant a sample, Malcolm or a new > list administrator -- I am only trying to keep the SPAM > our of your computers. > Muriel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Moody" <malcolm@archivecdbooks.ca> > To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! > > > Hi John / Muriel (although I hope Muriel is well on her way to N.S. by > now - have a great time!) > > Just to straighten out a couple of technical issues and hopefully > shed a little light on the subject of PDF files. > > First although the Adobe company "sponsored" the development of the > PDF format (and consequently are the leader in its use) it is what is > called an "Open" standard which means it can be used by anyone who > wants to write software to make and / or read PDF files. Look around - > you will find quite a few other companies making PDF creators - and > much cheaper that Adoby's "Acrobat." BUT, be your own judge on the > quality and facility of that software Application! > > Second, the basis of the worry about opening a PDF document from an > unknown source: The PDF format was generated as a brilliant solution > to what was becoming a major problem some years ago when every document > generating "Application" used it's own file format "standard." There > was the silly situation developing that two people / companies wanting > to exchange software documents HAD to agree to use the same software! > The PDF format allowed people to exchange documents freely - knowing > they would be accurately rendered - without having to buy multiple > "Applications" all doing basically the same thing. > > As usual, however, there were developments way beyond what had been > foreseen during the original development of the PDF standard and as > various Applications developed fancier, and cleverer, "tricks" these > have been accommodated within the PDF standard (well some of them.) > Sounds good? Well some of the new tricks allow for instructions in a > PDF document to actually send commands directly to your computer, many > without asking your permission! This is exactly what you need if you > want to infest a computer with a virus, or to install spy ware. You > just bury your "mall-ware" in an otherwise innocent looking PDF file. > > Now obviously the people developing the PDF specification were aware > of this danger but, probably correctly, decided that they had to keep > up with the needs for a truly "portable" (the "P" in Portable Document > Format ) file format or become obsolete. > > So, therein lies the issue. "Portable" documents in PDF format are up > there along with "sliced bread" as far as great inventions go but they > come with a responsibility for the user to use them wisely. (Don't > forget you can buy mass-produced, "plastic," bread in the "sliced" > format too. :-) ) John's right about the usefulness (is that a > word?) of the PDF format and Muriel's right about not accepting them > from unknown sources. See, there is a way for everyone to be right! > > Sorry to "rattle" on about non-genealogy stuff, but these things are > getting to be important to all computer users. > > Malcolm > Archive CD Books Canada Inc. > President: Malcolm Moody > PO Box 11 > Manotick > Ontario, K4M 1A2 > Canada. > (613) 692-2667 > WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > >> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:03:07 -0400 >> From: "muriel m davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! >> To: <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> >> Cc: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <007001c7bfde$c35d8740$0a02a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hello John -- >> I knew someone would question my statement. >> However, when a posting bounces, I have to click on the >> given URL, enter my password, then check whether I should >> Admit, Defer, {ones that are discarded} or send to myself. >> Should I get an email address like etain.shrdky@youknow.pdk.uk >> You can guess what I do --- DUMP THE CRITTER. >> >> I could let them go to the list and everyone might get his or her >> computer contaminated, but that is not the way I work. >> >> Thanks for the experienced information -- I am talking about >> SPAM items -- do not open unless you know the person. >> Possibly you do not know what I mean unless a list administrator. >> >> PDF files have their uses, as I know -- I use Adobe a great deal, >> but I am talking about those people who have nothing better to >> do than send us JUNK which could damage a computer. >> Thank heaven they come to me first -- but there might be a slip-up. >> >> Muriel >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Wright" <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> >> >> Hi Muriel >> >> I agree 100% with deleting part/most of the an email message before >> responding to the list. >> >> However, must question your advice regarding pdf files. > > >

LOL NO! NO Muriel! You can keep them, thank you any how! I was sure (but not positive) I had read where PDFs had been hacked too, with intent of infecting computers for whatever their tiny little minds thought they'd benefit from. I had forgotten about the "new and improved" Rootsweb had done, until Malcolm mentioned it. I was just looking at the Help section of Rootsweb and did see where they do talk about attachments. They seemed to have it in reference to the digest mode mainly. It would be a lot nicer if they put back their "no attachments" on the mailing lists and just stripped them off. Also while in Help, they have two announcements at the top of the page: 1 Newsletters, RootsWeb Review: 2007-07-06 MSN/Hotmail and AT&T Blocking MSN/Hotmail and AT&T are currently blocking mass mailings such as our RootsWeb Review and some mail lists. We have temporarily stopped attempting to deliver it to those addresses. You may need to contact MSN/Hotmail or AT&T and let them know that you want the RootsWeb mail. The address to have 'whitelisted' for the Review is: rootswebreview@email.rootsweb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 FTP: 2007-07-06 FTP to the WWW server (users.rootsweb.com) is again experiencing problems. We apologize for the inconvenience. It's possible you'll get more bounces. Not fun trying to get back on lists you've bounced from, thanks to poorly set filters by ISPs. My mail shows paper clips more often than not and I only pay attention to them if I open the message and nothing is showing. That's when I know for sure there's an attachment! As always Muriel, I sincerely appreciate all your time and effort for our list. YOU make it one of the best that Rootsweb offers! Ruth

Ruth -- I have had six bounced emails already this morning, each with PDF in the address -- Mailman is the new mailing part of Rootsweb, and when an email is in question, it is left to the list admin to DEFER [get rid of it]/ ADMIT/ FORWARD to list admin. I work with PDF - Adobe Acrobat on the 1911 census and yesterday the census lists were shut down -- we could not view the images. Should anyone wish a sample, I will forward. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Berden" <berden@advnet.net> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! Thank you, Malcolm!! I was sure I'd read PDFs had been hit too, but I wasn't positive, so "for once" kept my fingers still! One major thing that wasn't mentioned is Rootsweb itself won't allow attachments on the mailing lists. They do allow them to be added on the message boards. Ruth

Hello Malcolm -- Sorry to disappoint you, Malcolm -- unless you prefer a new list admin -- I am not leaving for Nova Scotia until August - please let me know. There was one bounce to the Simcoe list which I am certain nobody would care to have received -- list admins get rid of them but this one included .pdf and was sent from uk It had to be possibly dangerous or else Mailman would not have bounced it -- wish they would dump the critters themselves. Let me know -- do youwant a sample, Malcolm or a new list administrator -- I am only trying to keep the SPAM our of your computers. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Moody" <malcolm@archivecdbooks.ca> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! Hi John / Muriel (although I hope Muriel is well on her way to N.S. by now - have a great time!) Just to straighten out a couple of technical issues and hopefully shed a little light on the subject of PDF files. First although the Adobe company "sponsored" the development of the PDF format (and consequently are the leader in its use) it is what is called an "Open" standard which means it can be used by anyone who wants to write software to make and / or read PDF files. Look around - you will find quite a few other companies making PDF creators - and much cheaper that Adoby's "Acrobat." BUT, be your own judge on the quality and facility of that software Application! Second, the basis of the worry about opening a PDF document from an unknown source: The PDF format was generated as a brilliant solution to what was becoming a major problem some years ago when every document generating "Application" used it's own file format "standard." There was the silly situation developing that two people / companies wanting to exchange software documents HAD to agree to use the same software! The PDF format allowed people to exchange documents freely - knowing they would be accurately rendered - without having to buy multiple "Applications" all doing basically the same thing. As usual, however, there were developments way beyond what had been foreseen during the original development of the PDF standard and as various Applications developed fancier, and cleverer, "tricks" these have been accommodated within the PDF standard (well some of them.) Sounds good? Well some of the new tricks allow for instructions in a PDF document to actually send commands directly to your computer, many without asking your permission! This is exactly what you need if you want to infest a computer with a virus, or to install spy ware. You just bury your "mall-ware" in an otherwise innocent looking PDF file. Now obviously the people developing the PDF specification were aware of this danger but, probably correctly, decided that they had to keep up with the needs for a truly "portable" (the "P" in Portable Document Format ) file format or become obsolete. So, therein lies the issue. "Portable" documents in PDF format are up there along with "sliced bread" as far as great inventions go but they come with a responsibility for the user to use them wisely. (Don't forget you can buy mass-produced, "plastic," bread in the "sliced" format too. :-) ) John's right about the usefulness (is that a word?) of the PDF format and Muriel's right about not accepting them from unknown sources. See, there is a way for everyone to be right! Sorry to "rattle" on about non-genealogy stuff, but these things are getting to be important to all computer users. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:03:07 -0400 > From: "muriel m davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! > To: <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> > Cc: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <007001c7bfde$c35d8740$0a02a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello John -- > I knew someone would question my statement. > However, when a posting bounces, I have to click on the > given URL, enter my password, then check whether I should > Admit, Defer, {ones that are discarded} or send to myself. > Should I get an email address like etain.shrdky@youknow.pdk.uk > You can guess what I do --- DUMP THE CRITTER. > > I could let them go to the list and everyone might get his or her > computer contaminated, but that is not the way I work. > > Thanks for the experienced information -- I am talking about > SPAM items -- do not open unless you know the person. > Possibly you do not know what I mean unless a list administrator. > > PDF files have their uses, as I know -- I use Adobe a great deal, > but I am talking about those people who have nothing better to > do than send us JUNK which could damage a computer. > Thank heaven they come to me first -- but there might be a slip-up. > > Muriel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Wright" <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> > > Hi Muriel > > I agree 100% with deleting part/most of the an email message before > responding to the list. > > However, must question your advice regarding pdf files.

Hi Ruth, Yes, I didn't mention it because in some of the comments following the "re-jigging" of the Rootsweb list manager seemed to indicate there was now an option which would allow attachments. (I believe I remember Muriel mentioning "Paper-clips" on some messages, plus her recent warning not to accept PDFs.) Since I had no personal interests in receiving messages with attachments from Rootsweb I didn't bother to follow up on it, and live in blissful ignorance of the facts. Consequently, I thought it best to leave that particular stone unturned. :-) However, PDF files are so useful in all sorts of ways, I thought it better to try and get the facts straight before another urban myth was borne. Also, rereading what I wrote before, perhaps I should add that while the PDF format CAN be made to contain "active content," it would not be a hackers "first choice" of a vehicle to carry "mall-ware," so the risks from accepting PDF files are very low. It's still better to make sure you trust the source though. Incidentally, and I don't want to start up a whole new subject - please! - but the issue of catching something nasty from ANY attachment is almost unknown in Mac computers running the Mac OS. The ***** (words fail) who generate the "mall-ware" go for the percentages and so write them to attack the Windows OS. Since Apple started producing Intel Mac's recently I understand that, if you run a Windows OS on your Mac then it will be just as vulnerable as any PC. So it would be wise to avoid using any communications Apps on the Windows side - or to load up on all the protection stuff PC users need. (Incidentally we use both PCs and Mac's in our business - but the PCs don't get to go out and play on the net! :-) ) Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:26:40 -0400 > From: "R. Berden" <berden@advnet.net> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! > To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001501c7c0f6$a79bc580$6501a8c0@MOM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you, Malcolm!! I was sure I'd read PDFs had been hit too, but I > wasn't > positive, so "for once" kept my fingers still! > > One major thing that wasn't mentioned is Rootsweb itself won't allow > attachments on the mailing lists. They do allow them to be added on the > message boards. > > Ruth

Thank you, Malcolm!! I was sure I'd read PDFs had been hit too, but I wasn't positive, so "for once" kept my fingers still! One major thing that wasn't mentioned is Rootsweb itself won't allow attachments on the mailing lists. They do allow them to be added on the message boards. Ruth

Hi John / Muriel (although I hope Muriel is well on her way to N.S. by now - have a great time!) Just to straighten out a couple of technical issues and hopefully shed a little light on the subject of PDF files. First although the Adobe company "sponsored" the development of the PDF format (and consequently are the leader in its use) it is what is called an "Open" standard which means it can be used by anyone who wants to write software to make and / or read PDF files. Look around - you will find quite a few other companies making PDF creators - and much cheaper that Adoby's "Acrobat." BUT, be your own judge on the quality and facility of that software Application! Second, the basis of the worry about opening a PDF document from an unknown source: The PDF format was generated as a brilliant solution to what was becoming a major problem some years ago when every document generating "Application" used it's own file format "standard." There was the silly situation developing that two people / companies wanting to exchange software documents HAD to agree to use the same software! The PDF format allowed people to exchange documents freely - knowing they would be accurately rendered - without having to buy multiple "Applications" all doing basically the same thing. As usual, however, there were developments way beyond what had been foreseen during the original development of the PDF standard and as various Applications developed fancier, and cleverer, "tricks" these have been accommodated within the PDF standard (well some of them.) Sounds good? Well some of the new tricks allow for instructions in a PDF document to actually send commands directly to your computer, many without asking your permission! This is exactly what you need if you want to infest a computer with a virus, or to install spy ware. You just bury your "mall-ware" in an otherwise innocent looking PDF file. Now obviously the people developing the PDF specification were aware of this danger but, probably correctly, decided that they had to keep up with the needs for a truly "portable" (the "P" in Portable Document Format ) file format or become obsolete. So, therein lies the issue. "Portable" documents in PDF format are up there along with "sliced bread" as far as great inventions go but they come with a responsibility for the user to use them wisely. (Don't forget you can buy mass-produced, "plastic," bread in the "sliced" format too. :-) ) John's right about the usefulness (is that a word?) of the PDF format and Muriel's right about not accepting them from unknown sources. See, there is a way for everyone to be right! Sorry to "rattle" on about non-genealogy stuff, but these things are getting to be important to all computer users. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:03:07 -0400 > From: "muriel m davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Learning A New E-Mail Skill! > To: <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> > Cc: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <007001c7bfde$c35d8740$0a02a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello John -- > I knew someone would question my statement. > However, when a posting bounces, I have to click on the > given URL, enter my password, then check whether I should > Admit, Defer, {ones that are discarded} or send to myself. > Should I get an email address like etain.shrdky@youknow.pdk.uk > You can guess what I do --- DUMP THE CRITTER. > > I could let them go to the list and everyone might get his or her > computer contaminated, but that is not the way I work. > > Thanks for the experienced information -- I am talking about > SPAM items -- do not open unless you know the person. > Possibly you do not know what I mean unless a list administrator. > > PDF files have their uses, as I know -- I use Adobe a great deal, > but I am talking about those people who have nothing better to > do than send us JUNK which could damage a computer. > Thank heaven they come to me first -- but there might be a slip-up. > > Muriel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Wright" <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> > > Hi Muriel > > I agree 100% with deleting part/most of the an email message before > responding to the list. > > However, must question your advice regarding pdf files.

To all:- More pages are being transcribed, but only by a few -- let's get the three provinces finished! SASKATCHEWAN ........................................98.92% [Pages in Saltcoats and in Saskatoon] If helping with Prince Albert, DO NOT CLAIM PAGE, unless you plan to include address. Judy van der Veen is doing the pages, Garth Ulrich is matching street and non-existent surnames due to INK. ALBERTA...........................................................97.41% BRITISH COLUMBIA.........................................87.38%. I know it states one can claim pages after one or two lines -- there are many claimed pages with only 5 or 10 -- these have to be opened so someone else may finish the page. CLAIM AT LINE 50 Should others not transcribing know family names, send URL (at top) plus province, district, page and line -- I do not mind dropping the occasional RED dot and correction. Muriel M. Davidson Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON

Hello John -- I knew someone would question my statement. However, when a posting bounces, I have to click on the given URL, enter my password, then check whether I should Admit, Defer, {ones that are discarded} or send to myself. Should I get an email address like etain.shrdky@youknow.pdk.uk You can guess what I do --- DUMP THE CRITTER. I could let them go to the list and everyone might get his or her computer contaminated, but that is not the way I work. Thanks for the experienced information -- I am talking about SPAM items -- do not open unless you know the person. Possibly you do not know what I mean unless a list administrator. PDF files have their uses, as I know -- I use Adobe a great deal, but I am talking about those people who have nothing better to do than send us JUNK which could damage a computer. Thank heaven they come to me first -- but there might be a slip-up. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wright" <john.laurie.wright@sympatico.ca> Hi Muriel I agree 100% with deleting part/most of the an email message before responding to the list. However, must question your advice regarding pdf files. These are generated by Adobe. Software to read them is available on line for free and consequently can be used by anyone. It is an excellent and now almost universal way of moving a lot of data in a hurry. Virtually all levels of government use them. I work for a consulting engineering firm and prepare technical documents. We have literally thousands of Clients and routinely email reports to them in pdf format. No one has ever complained and a few even thank us for the quick service. This week, a fellow researcher sent me a copy of a 34 page publication written by a relative almost 100 years ago. It is in pdf format and now I have my own copy of the original, all in one file. In fact if you want to join the Simcoe County Branch of OGS, the first thing that pops up on the website is an application form in pdf format. Because of the high cost of postage many of the OGS branches are encouraging their members to receive their news letters via email. Once again, pdf format! So please, don't be directing people away from one of the best tools out there. Just for the record, I have no monetary interest in Adobe. John F. Wright Barrie, Ontario PS Glad to hear you will be getting to spend some time down east. I am jealous. J

Robin have you tried the International Genealogical Index online at the Mormon site http://www.familysearch.org? I managed to trace family in Aberdeenshire that way, back from 1835 to the early 1700s. And it's free. On 06/07/07, Neil Cameron <neil@heritageheartwoods.com> wrote: > > What part of Scotland? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin [mailto:rugrotts@iinet.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:20 PM > To: SIMCOE > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Scotland > > Hi > Does anyone know of a way to find early baptism and marriage records in > Scotland. Ancestry doesn't have much and the only thing I have found are > private researchers or pay per view sites. I am willing to pay a > subscription for access but the pay per view is not good unless you have a > very uncommon name. I went through heaps of pay per view and all it did > was > cost me money with no results. I am searching prior to 1820. > Thanks > Robin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What part of Scotland? -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:rugrotts@iinet.net.au] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:20 PM To: SIMCOE Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Scotland Hi Does anyone know of a way to find early baptism and marriage records in Scotland. Ancestry doesn't have much and the only thing I have found are private researchers or pay per view sites. I am willing to pay a subscription for access but the pay per view is not good unless you have a very uncommon name. I went through heaps of pay per view and all it did was cost me money with no results. I am searching prior to 1820. Thanks Robin

Hi Does anyone know of a way to find early baptism and marriage records in Scotland. Ancestry doesn't have much and the only thing I have found are private researchers or pay per view sites. I am willing to pay a subscription for access but the pay per view is not good unless you have a very uncommon name. I went through heaps of pay per view and all it did was cost me money with no results. I am searching prior to 1820. Thanks Robin

the actual local LDS library has CDs that have lots of old Scot records- I found the actualy register entry for the marriage of my ggg grandparents.... chris hunt > [Original Message] > From: Robin <rugrotts@iinet.net.au> > To: SIMCOE <CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 7/6/2007 1:20:09 PM > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Scotland > > Hi > Does anyone know of a way to find early baptism and marriage records in Scotland. Ancestry doesn't have much and the only thing I have found are private researchers or pay per view sites. I am willing to pay a subscription for access but the pay per view is not good unless you have a very uncommon name. I went through heaps of pay per view and all it did was cost me money with no results. I am searching prior to 1820. > Thanks > Robin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Muriel I agree 100% with deleting part/most of the an email message before responding to the list. However, must question your advice regarding pdf files. These are generated by Adobe. Software to read them is available on line for free and consequently can be used by anyone. It is an excellent and now almost universal way of moving a lot of data in a hurry. Virtually all levels of government use them. I work for a consulting engineering firm and prepare technical documents. We have literally thousands of Clients and routinely email reports to them in pdf format. No one has ever complained and a few even thank us for the quick service. This week, a fellow researcher sent me a copy of a 34 page publication written by a relative almost 100 years ago. It is in pdf format and now I have my own copy of the original, all in one file. In fact if you want to join the Simcoe County Branch of OGS, the first thing that pops up on the website is an application form in pdf format. Because of the high cost of postage many of the OGS branches are encouraging their members to receive their news letters via email. Once again, pdf format! So please, don't be directing people away from one of the best tools out there. Just for the record, I have no monetary interest in Adobe. John F. Wright Barrie, Ontario PS Glad to hear you will be getting to spend some time down east. I am jealous. J

To all, especially CAN-ONT-SIMCOE subscribers:- Please, try to do the following == get in practice as I will be away from August 8 to 21 - with my daughter and family in Nova Scotia -- plenty for us to do and many to visit. When one is answering a long articles, highlight and delete the parts which you are not answering -- there could be several items -- which take up far less space than the long article plus your reply. Also would you believe some people copy in the former article and add a very few words, for example "Thanks very much, ???????" This could save space if sent DIRECTLY to the one who is being thanked. Also delete the data Mailman adds at the bottom -- takes up space. I have been really bothered with mail bounces lately -- and whatever you do, unless you know it is a photo from a family members, do NOT open anything with a ".pdf" extension. It is better to miss it than mess up your computer -- I have banned all of these but they keep appearing, even directly to my address. As we are finishing the last three provinces, have any subscribers who knew the old names checked the 1911 census transcriptions? http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ Use EDIT or SPLIT-VIEW Should you find an error, try and copy the URL at top of page, plus district, page and line -- I do not mind leaving RED marks! I am familiar with some of the PEEL County names, plus the streets. I did not intend to write a book -- but please, NO "Thank you" messages to the list --- only to the individual. [My son will be checking the lists when I am away -- so let's keep Don happy!] Muriel - list admin

Robin and others:- As my FARQUHAR ancestors were born in Aberdeen and nearby places, I have been interested in researching the early background and have done very well -- http://homepages@rootsweb.com/~downhome/ I did my research in Liverpool, Nova Scotia -- and I am certain it is called Old Scottish records. The curator of the Thomas H. Raddall Centre is Linda Rafuse rafusela@gov.ns.ca I did other research at a Mormon centre and they had the same type of records. Also, there is no cost except for printing. The records go back very far -- looking forward to more research August 8 to 21 -- more later about that. Muriel - list admin ----- Original Message ----- Hi Does anyone know of a way to find early baptism and marriage records in Scotland. Ancestry doesn't have much and the only thing I have found are private researchers or pay per view sites. I am willing to pay a subscription for access but the pay per view is not good unless you have a very uncommon name. I went through heaps of pay per view and all it did was cost me money with no results. I am searching prior to 1820. Thanks Robin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Tigerdolly Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/169.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Judith I hope you still come out here! Your family line is in my tree as a married connection. I would love to hear for you on your branch. Ann Dearing London,ON tpdolly@sympatico.ca Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Robin Another site you may want to check is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ I have not used it, my husband registered, and went no further. To the best of my knowledge, there is no fee. Good luck, Heather in Orillia For Ontario Births, Marriages & Deaths Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: July 5, 2007 9:20 PM To: SIMCOE Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Scotland Hi Does anyone know of a way to find early baptism and marriage records in Scotland. Ancestry doesn't have much and the only thing I have found are private researchers or pay per view sites. I am willing to pay a subscription for access but the pay per view is not good unless you have a very uncommon name. I went through heaps of pay per view and all it did was cost me money with no results. I am searching prior to 1820. Thanks Robin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glodaw_1 Surnames: Hart, Terwilliger Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2498.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James I would really like to make contact with you regarding Isaac & Rachel Hart. They were my gg-grandparents. I was also under the impression that Josiah & Rachel Mills Terwillger were Rachel's parents. But, I have been in touch with a man who is on the Terwilliger line, and he informed me that this was not true and cannot locate parents for Rachel. I can give you the paticulars in full later in emails. I haven't gotten past Isaac Sr, but do have info on some of their children, maybe we each have info the other doesn't have. Please email me at: glodaw@comcast.net (put Hart at the top so I know who it is). Thanks, Gloria Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.