HI Lynn I don't think I am related to your Dunn/Ennis family. John Dunn is my great great grandfather. Any information you could send me from the assessment roll would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ever So Much Ron -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lynne Kemp Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:39 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CAN-ONT-SIMCOE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 503 Hi Ron: I didn't write down the details from the index for all the families on the 7th concession but just the ones I have a connection to. I have a connection to Margaret Dunn through marriage to Robert Ennis/Innis. I believe the family you may be interested in would be the John Dunn family. Is that correct? If so, I did note that one of the military grants on the 7th concession was to John Dunn. If you would like the details from the index, I will copy them when I check the records for Ardis. I did, however, write down a few details when I checked assessment rolls at the Simcoe Archives. In 1859, John Dunn, age 55, was on Concession 7, Lot 18. In 1860, Thomas Dunn, age 24, was on Concession 7, Lot 17 and I think it said 40 acres but it was hard to read. Regards, Lynne Kemp. > My Dunn family lived on the 7th concession in Vespra township. I would love> to see the military grant records that you have.> > Ron Wingrove> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with free Messenger emoticons. Get them today! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where does Dr. O. E. A. Stephens of the Agincourt Medical Clinic fit into the Genealogy of anyone? On Thu 29/11/07 7:29 AM , 'Deborah Wilbur' sent: Hi, My husband is the 5th Gr-Grandson of Shadrack (1761 - bef. 1838) & Lydia STEPHENS. They settled in Whitchurch Twp., York Co. I have found that they have a descendant named Alonzo. The names mentioned below are familiar ones in this family as well. Do your records go back far enough to connect? Thanks, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [1] [can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [2]] On Behalf Of c sands Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:23 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com [3] Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Stephens, Albert Lorenzo and Frederick Lorenzo Thanks for the information. John Shadrach Stephens is the son of Frederick (Fred) Smith Stephens. My great great grandfather was Alfred O. Stephens (1831-1900) John Shadrach's brother. I have John Shadrach Stephens married to Annie McKay, 2 May 1871, I have only one son listed, Frederick b. 1874 m. Nettie Taylor in 190- thanks for the rest. It is interesting that Lorenzo was with this branch of our family and may be the connection to my great uncle Albert Lorenzo Stephens..or they all liked the name Lorenzo.. I love this genealogy stuff.. the more you learn the more questions arise to investigate further! The Stephens family has a rich history. Thank you for sharing. Carolyn Penny wrote: One more thread to add to this subject.... I have a John Shadrach Stevens married to Annie Mckay. They were married in Beeton, Ontario approx. 1860s or 1870s. Sons are Melvin, Fred, Milton, Ernest and Lorenzo ; daughters are Mabel, Laura and Florence. Do any of these sound familiar? Thanks Penny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com [5] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com [6] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com [7] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [2] mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [3] mailto:can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com [4] mailto:pkjena@telus.net [5] mailto:CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com [6] mailto:CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com [7] mailto:CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com

I need some help, preferably from someone who is familiar with the above family in Montreal, Soulanges County and Simcoe County. In preparation for the Festival du Loup this summer, I have begun compiling all the records into a book on each of the selected families they are honouring this year. Last year I did the Desroches, Chretien and Leblanc families and this year it is the Marchand, Daoust and St-Amant families. The Marchand book is almost done but at the rate the Daoust book is going, it might be 2020 before it is finished. All the books are for sale at the Museum. <vbg> It is not the variations in the name that are the difficulty, but one man and one family. Two of us have been working on this for days and between us we have access to almost every published record - on-line, CD, Drouin, books etc. This is important because this fellow either came with his parents which makes him the son of a settler in Lafontaine or he came on his own and is from a different line altogether. Here's the story: Toussaint Dault married to Zoe Andre arrived in Lafontaine about 1864. Toussaint gives his birth year consistently as 1831 on 4 census returns. His death registration does not tally but that could be because someone else gave that information to the priest. Presumably he didn't lie on the returns, even though his wife was born in 1818 and is considerably older than he is. Bet she was tempted! In some of the records, Toussaint is living with Joachim Dault and Catherine Lalonde - no relationship is ever recorded other than the priest makes note that Catherine Dault is his mother on his burial record in 1899. The father's first name is illegible, the surname is Dault. Now this is where it gets interesting. IF Joachim and Catherine were his parents, then he was born 7 years before their marriage in 1838. Possible but not very likely. Catherine and Joachim were both a bit long in the tooth when they married - he was 32 and she was 31. A second marriage for one of them? So who are the true parents of Toussaint? We have some theories but nothing we can prove. Any help would be appreciated before we drown in paper or fall over from lack of sleep. Pam Tessier

Yes, Shadrach and Lydia are my 4th great grandparents. My 3rd great grandfather is Frederick Smith Stephens the youngest of Shadrach and Lydia's children. My 2nd gr grandfather is Alfred Obidiah of Beeton (Tecumseth). carol. Deborah Wilbur <deborahwilbur@rogers.com> wrote: Hi, My husband is the 5th Gr-Grandson of Shadrack (1761 - bef. 1838) & Lydia STEPHENS. They settled in Whitchurch Twp., York Co. I have found that they have a descendant named Alonzo. The names mentioned below are familiar ones in this family as well. Do your records go back far enough to connect? Thanks, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of c sands Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:23 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Stephens, Albert Lorenzo and Frederick Lorenzo Thanks for the information. John Shadrach Stephens is the son of Frederick (Fred) Smith Stephens. My great great grandfather was Alfred O. Stephens (1831-1900) John Shadrach's brother. I have John Shadrach Stephens married to Annie McKay, 2 May 1871, I have only one son listed, Frederick b. 1874 m. Nettie Taylor in 190- thanks for the rest. It is interesting that Lorenzo was with this branch of our family and may be the connection to my great uncle Albert Lorenzo Stephens..or they all liked the name Lorenzo.. I love this genealogy stuff.. the more you learn the more questions arise to investigate further! The Stephens family has a rich history. Thank you for sharing. Carolyn Penny wrote: One more thread to add to this subject.... I have a John Shadrach Stevens married to Annie Mckay. They were married in Beeton, Ontario approx. 1860s or 1870s. Sons are Melvin, Fred, Milton, Ernest and Lorenzo ; daughters are Mabel, Laura and Florence. Do any of these sound familiar? Thanks Penny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.

Hi, My husband is the 5th Gr-Grandson of Shadrack (1761 - bef. 1838) & Lydia STEPHENS. They settled in Whitchurch Twp., York Co. I have found that they have a descendant named Alonzo. The names mentioned below are familiar ones in this family as well. Do your records go back far enough to connect? Thanks, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of c sands Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:23 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Stephens, Albert Lorenzo and Frederick Lorenzo Thanks for the information. John Shadrach Stephens is the son of Frederick (Fred) Smith Stephens. My great great grandfather was Alfred O. Stephens (1831-1900) John Shadrach's brother. I have John Shadrach Stephens married to Annie McKay, 2 May 1871, I have only one son listed, Frederick b. 1874 m. Nettie Taylor in 190- thanks for the rest. It is interesting that Lorenzo was with this branch of our family and may be the connection to my great uncle Albert Lorenzo Stephens..or they all liked the name Lorenzo.. I love this genealogy stuff.. the more you learn the more questions arise to investigate further! The Stephens family has a rich history. Thank you for sharing. Carolyn Penny <pkjena@telus.net> wrote: One more thread to add to this subject.... I have a John Shadrach Stevens married to Annie Mckay. They were married in Beeton, Ontario approx. 1860s or 1870s. Sons are Melvin, Fred, Milton, Ernest and Lorenzo ; daughters are Mabel, Laura and Florence. Do any of these sound familiar? Thanks Penny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the look ups, Lynne. I will have to pnder on this for awhile. Tish > I checked the on-line Free BMD's for England for between 1900 and 1920 and > there were quite a few Edith Vale's. This was the only one I found that > was Edith M. Vale though. The registration was in Romford which is in the > county of Essex. > > > > > > Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%) > > > > Corme_k > Elsie B > Samuels > Romford > 4a > 1165 > > > KNOX > Horace H > Vale > Romford > 4a > 1165 > > > Samuels > Archibald E > Cormack > Romford > 4a > 1165 > > > Vale > Edith M > Knox > Romford > 4a > 1165 > > > > As you can see, Horace H. Knox is the husband. You can order these > certificates on-line now using the reference numbers on this index. The > URL for the Free BMD's is: > > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl > > Hope this is of some help to you. > Regards, > Lynne Kemp. > > > >> Thanks to Pam. I have no proof as yet, but I am looking for an Edith > >> Matilda VALE, and wonder if she might not have been married in England, >> or > was a war bride from there, during the 1st War. > _________________________________________________________________ > Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1157 - Release Date: > 11/28/2007 12:29 PM >

Hi Ardis: Yes, you are able to order documents from the National Archives. They will send them either by mail or via internet which would be a lot faster. Here is their order page and information: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordcopying/estimateoptions.aspx I found the birth place of Robert John Munro on his death registration. It is also given on his daughter, Hannah Harriett's, death registration. Hannah's birthdate on the death registration is given as July 14, 1860 at Concession 7, Lot 17, Vespra. I mistakenly said she was living there when she died in 1928. She died in the Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie. The informant was her brother, T. L. Munro who was living at R. R. #2, Barrie, Ontario. Would you like me to send you copies of Robert John and Hannah's death registrations to your personal e-mail address? This year, I visited the Anglican Archives in Toronto and Mary-Anne Nicholls was very helpful. My cousin has received copies of baptismal and marriage records from them in the past when she contacted them by e-mail. This would probably be the best way to get information about your Munro and associated families since you need birth/baptismal records before 1869-1870 . They had many records on microfilm of the Barrie area available. Here is their URL: http://www.toronto.anglican.ca/index.asp?navid=591 I just had a look at some of the records I copied for Concession 7 in Vespra. There are at least 18 lots that were military grants between 1833 and 1835. I will be going to the Collingwood Library soon to check a couple of obits for someone and I will have a look at the Land Records index for your John Munro to see if I can find some information for you. I wish I had known you had family research in the Vespra area when I met you. That area is one of my main interests. Regards, Lynne Kemp. _________________________________________________________________ R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger

Hi Tish: If you think the marriage I sent could be the right couple, there are WWI pension papers for a Horace Knox who may be the one you are looking for. He was promoted to Corporal in March, 1918 and discharged from the British army on April 2, 1919. This would fit the time frame for them being in Simcoe Co. early 1920's. I found an Edith M. who I think is the same one on the 1901 census for Essex. You didn't mention Edith's parents or brother's names but this one is the daughter of Robert and Mary and the sister of Robert. Do you think this is the right family? Regards, Lynne. > Thanks to Pam. I have no proof as yet, but I am looking for an Edith > Matilda VALE, and wonder if she might not have been married in England, or > was a war bride from there, during the 1st War.> > I can find no marriage record in Ontario through Ancestry, of even the IGI, > and not any death record either. I know she was in Ontario, Simcoe Co. in > the early 1920s. Her mother and brother were in Midland in the early 1920s, > and am hoping that someone can come up with her husband's name, or the place > of their abode.> _________________________________________________________________ R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger

Hi Tish: I checked the on-line Free BMD's for England for between 1900 and 1920 and there were quite a few Edith Vale's. This was the only one I found that was Edith M. Vale though. The registration was in Romford which is in the county of Essex. Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%) Corme_k Elsie B Samuels Romford 4a 1165 KNOX Horace H Vale Romford 4a 1165 Samuels Archibald E Cormack Romford 4a 1165 Vale Edith M Knox Romford 4a 1165 As you can see, Horace H. Knox is the husband. You can order these certificates on-line now using the reference numbers on this index. The URL for the Free BMD's is: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Hope this is of some help to you. Regards, Lynne Kemp. > Thanks to Pam. I have no proof as yet, but I am looking for an Edith > Matilda VALE, and wonder if she might not have been married in England, or > was a war bride from there, during the 1st War. _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122

Hi Lynn My Dunn family lived on the 7th concession in Vespra township. I would love to see the military grant records that you have. Ron Wingrove -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lynne Kemp Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:39 PM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] John Munro Hi Ardis: Yes, you are able to order documents from the National Archives. They will send them either by mail or via internet which would be a lot faster. Here is their order page and information: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordcopying/estimateoptions.aspx I found the birth place of Robert John Munro on his death registration. It is also given on his daughter, Hannah Harriett's, death registration. Hannah's birthdate on the death registration is given as July 14, 1860 at Concession 7, Lot 17, Vespra. I mistakenly said she was living there when she died in 1928. She died in the Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie. The informant was her brother, T. L. Munro who was living at R. R. #2, Barrie, Ontario. Would you like me to send you copies of Robert John and Hannah's death registrations to your personal e-mail address? This year, I visited the Anglican Archives in Toronto and Mary-Anne Nicholls was very helpful. My cousin has received copies of baptismal and marriage records from them in the past when she contacted them by e-mail. This would probably be the best way to get information about your Munro and associated families since you need birth/baptismal records before 1869-1870 . They had many records on microfilm of the Barrie area available. Here is their URL: http://www.toronto.anglican.ca/index.asp?navid=591 I just had a look at some of the records I copied for Concession 7 in Vespra. There are at least 18 lots that were military grants between 1833 and 1835. I will be going to the Collingwood Library soon to check a couple of obits for someone and I will have a look at the Land Records index for your John Munro to see if I can find some information for you. I wish I had known you had family research in the Vespra area when I met you. That area is one of my main interests. Regards, Lynne Kemp. _________________________________________________________________ R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynn: Yes, please. I would most appreciate copies of Robert John and Harriet's death registrations. Thank you for those and all your help. Would you like me to send the donation to the Collingwood Library or somewhere else. Ardis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Kemp" <dent_48@hotmail.com> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] John Munro > Hi Ardis: > Yes, you are able to order documents from the National Archives. They > will send them either by mail or via internet which would be a lot faster. > Here is their order page and information: > > https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordcopying/estimateoptions.aspx > > I found the birth place of Robert John Munro on his death registration. > It is also given on his daughter, Hannah Harriett's, death registration. > Hannah's birthdate on the death registration is given as July 14, 1860 at > Concession 7, Lot 17, Vespra. I mistakenly said she was living there when > she died in 1928. She died in the Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie. The > informant was her brother, T. L. Munro who was living at R. R. #2, Barrie, > Ontario. Would you like me to send you copies of Robert John and Hannah's > death registrations to your personal e-mail address? > > This year, I visited the Anglican Archives in Toronto and Mary-Anne > Nicholls was very helpful. My cousin has received copies of baptismal and > marriage records from them in the past when she contacted them by e-mail. > This would probably be the best way to get information about your Munro > and associated families since you need birth/baptismal records before > 1869-1870 . They had many records on microfilm of the Barrie area > available. Here is their URL: > > http://www.toronto.anglican.ca/index.asp?navid=591 > > I just had a look at some of the records I copied for Concession 7 in > Vespra. There are at least 18 lots that were military grants between 1833 > and 1835. I will be going to the Collingwood Library soon to check a > couple of obits for someone and I will have a look at the Land Records > index for your John Munro to see if I can find some information for you. > > I wish I had known you had family research in the Vespra area when I met > you. That area is one of my main interests. > Regards, > Lynne Kemp. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today! > http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 180 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Have you checked with the LDS library to see if they have a copy? They are digitizing many of their submitted genealogy books. These are often unpublished books that have been put together by and for family members. When they are digitized you can get them on-line and download to your own computer, for less than .25 per page. I have spent quite a bit of time at the library and have found many family books now digitized. For those not familiar with the library the first floor is now devoted to submitted family histories. It is worthwhile to check the LDS catalog on line to see if any histories have been submitted on lines you are researching. Marilyn in Arizona -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jejade thom Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:42 PM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Gowan Genealogy I did ask the librarian, but at 25 cents per page and it has probably got about 250 - 300 pages that would be a lot of money. I did a search on amazon.com and it showed up there (which I didn't think it would since it's not a published work) but it is currently not available. thanks for your help though! --- lesliewelfare1@bellsouth.net wrote: > Did you ask the librarian? They might allow you to > copy it. The Simcoe > County Museum, and last The Simcoe County Archives > in Midhurst. > > Leslie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jejade thom" <jejade@yahoo.ca> > To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:02 PM > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Gowan Genealogy > > > >I was at the Creemore Library this weekend and came > > across a brief/booklet entitled "The Genealogy of > the > > Clan Gowan" which was compiled and prepared by > James > > H.B. Gowan. I was wondering if anyone on this > list > > might know where I can purchase a copy of this > brief/booklet. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and > > hotel bargains. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1157 - Release Date: 11/28/2007 12:29 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1157 - Release Date: 11/28/2007 12:29 PM

Hi Paul: I found these Methodist records for Simpson that I thought you might find of interest. Robert of Barrie and Frederick of Oro were two of the men who I thought might be possible brothers of Ezra (and sons of William and Ann). This eliminates Thomas, born 1844 as your Thomas. I found their burials in the Barrie Union Cemetery records. Robert 1817 - 1891 was born in Salton, Yorkshire, England. His first wife was Sarah Ann 1816 - 1874 and his second wife was Margaret who died in 1891 at the age of 45 years. Robert's son, Thomas was born in 1844 and died in 1900 and was single. Baptismal records: 1 392 Simcoe Barrie, town Eli Simpson Robert Sarah Innisfil Innisfil 1843-05-06 1843-05-21 Barrie Brownell, Rev. S. 1 394 Simcoe Innisfil Twp. Thomas Simpson Robert Sarah A. Innisfil Innisfil 1844-09-16 1848-01-04 Innisfil Lever, Rev. John This is the same family on the 1881 census as Robert, age 44 on the 1861 census in Barrie with a new wife. Robert SIMPSON M Male English 64 England Brewer Church of England Margaret SIMPSON M Female Scottish 35 Scotland Church of England Thomas W. SIMPSON Male English 36 Ontario Brewer Church of England George R. SIMPSON Male English 2 Ontario Church of England Mary ELLIS M Female English 23 England Servant Church of England Source Information: Census Place Barrie, Simcoe North, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375887 NA Film Number C-13251 District 139 Sub-district F Division 2 Page Number 56 Household Number 266 Hope this adds to your records. Sometimes eliminating possibilities is the only way to get to the information you need. Lynne. From: robins0379@rogers.comTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comCC: software@yellowknife.com; dent_48@hotmail.comSubject: RE: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson FamilyDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:26:53 -0500 Patricia, and Lynne ……… Thanks for the input ! The thought of illegitimacy crossed my mind, and I put it forward as a distinct possibility. It seems strange , that a young man getting married, would not know his fathers first name !!! Another possibility is that the Church, where they were married, did not want a record on their books, of a (base-born child – as the English described it) being given sacraments in their faith. Thomas Simpson gives his birth date as August 22, 1854, on the 1901 Census. He should be shown as 6 years old on the 1861 census .. which makes him too young for either of the two possibilities that turn up in Flos Township Census of 1861 .. working with Mother SARAH and son Thomas. Birth certificates in ONTARIO, as recently as 1940, bore the words ILLEGITIMATE , if such was the case. I know of one fellow who only found out , of his status, WHEN HE APPLIED FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE UPON JOINING THE ARMY …. Probably to prove his age. He received it as a hard blow, not knowing the truth up until that point. We have a case, within our family tree, of two children, dying as teenagers, buried with their parents, but the parents are referred to on the tombstone with the parents MIDDLE NAMES. We were a long time sorting this one out .. until it was discovered that the parents were not legally married, until several years after the children’s births. The later born children were buried under the parents FIRST NAMES. The CHURCH OF ENGLAND COMMUNITY, of which the family was part, probably assumed that the older children were a niece and nephew !!!!! But, I digress ……… thank Goodness that enlightenment has come to this Corner of Simcoe County ! Paul Robins -----Original Message-----From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of software@yellowknife.comSent: November-26-07 4:45 AMTo: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family Lynne Kemp wrote: > ... Do you know who Thomas' (who married Sarah > Archibald in King in 1873) father is? It just > gives his mother, Sarah's, name on their > marriage registration. ... Just weighing in here, but I've noticed that generally when only the mother's name is given on a vital statistics registration, that the father is "unknown." Although he evidently knew the mother, she bore the child illegitimately, and the father chose not to acknowledge it. That may not be the case in this instance, but it's a possibility that should be considered. Patricia (in Yellowknife) _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122

Hello Ardis: I had a look at the on-line index at the National Archives in England for your John Munro. I think this may be a possibility: WO 97/1252/156 JOHN MUNRO Born BROADFOOT, Inverness-shire Served in Royal Artillery Discharged aged 40 1812-1832 Maybe you already have these records but, if not, sometimes they are quite informative. I see that John Munro settled on Concession 7, Lot 14 in Vespra. There were many men living on the 7th who had been given military land grants. Do you have the records from Archives of Ontario or details from the Land Records index? That would give you a good starting point. I see that son, Robert John, born abt. 1833 was born in Penetanguishene. When his daughter, Hannah Harriett, died in 1928, they were living on Concession 7, Lot 17. Denis Martin originally was granted the W-1/2 of this property on a military grant and George Sneath purchased part of this lot as early as 1857. I see that the Munro's were missed on the 1861 census. Don't know if any of this will be helpful but thought you might find it of interest. Regards, Lynne Kemp. > I am looking for a reference to my great great grandfather, John Munro who > was either a Major or a Captain. He arrived in Penetanguishene [from > Inverness Scotland or London] with his family in 1832 and may have been one > of the pensioners from from the British Army.. He had served in a Highland > regiment from 1812 to 1832 and had fought in the Peninsular War.> > I underestand a group of such pensioners arrived in Penetanguishene in 1832 > , some stayed and some exchanged their pensions for other land in Ontario. > By 1833 John was in Vespra so his stay was brief.> > Did these pensioners come together on the same ship? Is there a record of > that ship? John Munro is not listed in "Pioneer Papers" as a pensioner who > built a house in Penetanguishene. On the other hand he was a millwright & > carpenter and did build or help build structures on the base or in the > community.> > There is a family story that the ship the Munros arrived on sank in the St. > Lawrence. My cousin inherited a water-stained piece of fabric which is > supposedly a relic of that incident.> > I live in Edmonton but would be prepared to hire a researcher if you think > there are records which would yield information about the arrival and first > year of stay in Canada of John and Isabella Munro and children, Alexander > & Christiana.> > Ardis Kamra _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122

Dear Lynn: Thank you so much. I think that the file you quoted could indeed be my great great grandfather. Would I be able to order the file on-line from the National Archives in England? Where did you find the record indicating that Robert John was born in Penetanguishene? I have never seen that and would like a copy. Also to date, I haven't located the birth record of his granddaughter Hannah. What I do have is a photograph of the Munro tombstone in Barrie that has her birth and death dates. Back to Robert John, a record of his birth would be helpful. Census records give his birthdate as Sept., 1833 while the 190l census gives his sister Isabel [Leadley]'s birth date as April 1833. It doesn't quite compute. The History of Vespra mentions that she was the first European child born in the township. I guess you are aware that George Sneath [son-in-law of John Munro] was my great grandfather. I'm not surprised that he would buy Munro land ...but I'm only just learning about the fact that it might have been a military grant. How do I find out? When I corresponded with Jopie, she had me send donations to the Collingwood Library for each document she sent me. I'd be happy to do that ... or to pay you a fee for any information you've already found or will find for me. Many, many thanks Ardis Kamra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Kemp" <dent_48@hotmail.com> To: <can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] John Munro of Vespra Township > Hello Ardis: > I had a look at the on-line index at the National Archives in England for > your John Munro. I think this may be a possibility: > > > > > > > WO 97/1252/156 > JOHN MUNRO Born BROADFOOT, Inverness-shire Served in Royal Artillery > Discharged aged 40 > 1812-1832 > > Maybe you already have these records but, if not, sometimes they are quite > informative. I see that John Munro settled on Concession 7, Lot 14 in > Vespra. There were many men living on the 7th who had been given military > land grants. Do you have the records from Archives of Ontario or details > from the Land Records index? That would give you a good starting point. > > I see that son, Robert John, born abt. 1833 was born in Penetanguishene. > When his daughter, Hannah Harriett, died in 1928, they were living on > Concession 7, Lot 17. Denis Martin originally was granted the W-1/2 of > this property on a military grant and George Sneath purchased part of this > lot as early as 1857. I see that the Munro's were missed on the 1861 > census. > > Don't know if any of this will be helpful but thought you might find it of > interest. > Regards, > Lynne Kemp. > > > > > > > >> I am looking for a reference to my great great grandfather, John Munro >> who > was either a Major or a Captain. He arrived in Penetanguishene >> [from > Inverness Scotland or London] with his family in 1832 and may >> have been one > of the pensioners from from the British Army.. He had >> served in a Highland > regiment from 1812 to 1832 and had fought in the >> Peninsular War.> > I underestand a group of such pensioners arrived in >> Penetanguishene in 1832 > , some stayed and some exchanged their pensions >> for other land in Ontario. > By 1833 John was in Vespra so his stay was >> brief.> > Did these pensioners come together on the same ship? Is there a >> record of > that ship? John Munro is not listed in "Pioneer Papers" as a >> pensioner who > built a house in Penetanguishene. On the other hand he >> was a millwright & > carpenter and did build or help build structures on >> the base or in the > community.> > There is a family story that the ship >> the Munros arrived on sank in the St. > Lawrence. My c! > ousin inherited a water-stained piece of fabric which is > supposedly a > relic of that incident.> > I live in Edmonton but would be prepared to > hire a researcher if you think > there are records which would yield > information about the arrival and first > year of stay in Canada of John > and Isabella Munro and children, Alexander > & Christiana.> > Ardis Kamra > _________________________________________________________________ > Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 172 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

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One of "our own" has won the Governor General's Award for non- fiction: author Karolyn Smardz Frost of Collingwood won the honour for her book /I've Got a Home in Glory Land: A Lost Tale of the Underground Railroad. /I had the pleasure of hearing her speak about her research work and was enthralled. I knew it was going to be a good book and indeed it is! February is Black History Month and what better time to read this remarkable story. It might make a really nice Christmas present. Now run right out an buy a copy - you'll be doing yourself a favour every time you feel defeated by brickwalls. Congratulations, Karolyn!! Pam

Patricia, and Lynne ... Thanks for the input ! The thought of illegitimacy crossed my mind, and I put it forward as a distinct possibility. It seems strange , that a young man getting married, would not know his fathers first name !!! Another possibility is that the Church, where they were married, did not want a record on their books, of a (base-born child - as the English described it) being given sacraments in their faith. Thomas Simpson gives his birth date as August 22, 1854, on the 1901 Census. He should be shown as 6 years old on the 1861 census .. which makes him too young for either of the two possibilities that turn up in Flos Township Census of 1861 .. working with Mother SARAH and son Thomas. Birth certificates in ONTARIO, as recently as 1940, bore the words ILLEGITIMATE , if such was the case. I know of one fellow who only found out , of his status, WHEN HE APPLIED FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE UPON JOINING THE ARMY .. Probably to prove his age. He received it as a hard blow, not knowing the truth up until that point. We have a case, within our family tree, of two children, dying as teenagers, buried with their parents, but the parents are referred to on the tombstone with the parents MIDDLE NAMES. We were a long time sorting this one out .. until it was discovered that the parents were not legally married, until several years after the children's births. The later born children were buried under the parents FIRST NAMES. The CHURCH OF ENGLAND COMMUNITY, of which the family was part, probably assumed that the older children were a niece and nephew !!!!! But, I digress ... thank Goodness that enlightenment has come to this Corner of Simcoe County ! Paul Robins -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-simcoe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of software@yellowknife.com Sent: November-26-07 4:45 AM To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Simpson Family Lynne Kemp wrote: > ... Do you know who Thomas' (who married Sarah > Archibald in King in 1873) father is? It just > gives his mother, Sarah's, name on their > marriage registration. ... Just weighing in here, but I've noticed that generally when only the mother's name is given on a vital statistics registration, that the father is "unknown." Although he evidently knew the mother, she bore the child illegitimately, and the father chose not to acknowledge it. That may not be the case in this instance, but it's a possibility that should be considered. Patricia (in Yellowknife)

To butt in: I won't say that you definitely will not find a directory for an individual town or city, because enterprising individuals have made odd directories for individual years and areas in the past - and today come to that. The "major" directories, however, covered much larger areas of the country (they were made to be sold and there had to be enough people living in the area to make it worth while buying the directory!) What you will need then is a directory for Ontario or for a part of Ontario. (Simcoe - being central could be in either an Eastern or a Western Ontario directory) Some major cities have their own directories and these may include the surrounding towns and villages - Toronto's "Home" district is a specific example. Now, having said that. By the 1920's phone directories are becoming significant (in terms of numbers of people included) and these tend to concentrate on smaller areas because of the "mechanics" of the phone system back then. We are reproducing a few of these for these later years because of this - when we can find 'em. They tended to get thrown away, and even libraries didn't keep them. I'm afraid we don't have one that would be any use to you - not even waiting to be reproduced - but you might want to keep an eye open for them in your searching. (I don't believe I have ever seem one "on-line" but I haven't made a diligent search either.) There IS a collection of on-line street / commercial directories at the following URL: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/canadiandirectories/022009-100.01-e.php Good luck! Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca On 27 Nov, 2007, at 3:02 AM, can-ont-simcoe-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:07:18 -0500 > From: Pam Tessier <pamtessier@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Midland > To: can-ont-simcoe@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <474B5FB6.4000303@sympatico.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Tish, > > I doubt you will find on-line directories for that time period. > Contact > the Midland Library and see what they have. Also the Huronia Museum > might be able to help. Last but not least, check with the Simcoe > County > Archives and see what is available. > > There are directories available for earlier time periods for the > entire > county, including all the little towns and villages but I am guessing > that you are looking for something similar to what was published for > large cities each year. They contained a whack of advertising but > also a > list of residents, occupations, places of residence and employment. I > don't think they were produced for the smaller towns - at least I have > never seen one for Penetang so it isn't likely they were published > yearly for Midland either. I may be wrong and someone will surely > correct me. I hope. > > What is it, in particular, you are looking for? There might be other > ways of finding it. > > Penetang has some great municipal records for that time period - water > bill payments listing street addresses and names, the > conveyance register which gives legal descriptions of property, the > owners and the liens and mortgages registered against them. > And it even includes the horses and cows that were mortgaged. Our > volunteer, Deb Crawford is in the process of transcribing this record > but she has already indexed the water bill payment register. > > But I digress........... Let us know what you want to know. > > Pam