The 1901 Census for Simcoe East, Tiny Township, shows William Carter's origin as African, his wife as English and his children as African. The marriage registration does not make any reference to race but shows the groom, born in London as Episcopalian and the bride, born in Creemore as Presbyterian. Cheers! Doreen ======= > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:17:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > > I was just wondering - if William Carter's parents, William and Jenny, were married in Angus in 1872, born in Canada, could THEIR parents have been part of the black community in nearby Oro? In 1819 the government sponsored a black settlement in Oro, along Wilberforce Street, one concession east of the Penetanguishene road and offered lots to the "Men of Color" who had served in the War of 1812. The census of 1831 show a black population of 97 in 1831 and 64 in 1848, with a peak of 101 in 1860-61, but by 1901 the numbers were down to about 1831. Many of the black settlers sold their land and moved elsewhere. "Some moved into the local towns such as Barrie and Collingwood; others went to the southern parts of the province or returned to the United States" Since Angus, where William and Jenny were married in 1872, is just a few miles from the (then) Oro, they and their parents could well have been among the first black settlers in Oro (the name Oro, by the way, comes from ! > the Rio del Oro, a river and settlement in the north-west coast of Africa. It was reportedly given this name, due to the intent to set apart this township, or a part of it, as a colony for men of colour). Also, the colony was beside the Penetanguishene Road, which went directly to Penetanguishene, so a logical place to move to. > > > > It might be worth checking out the census for Oro in the 1830s and on for the names Carter and Taylor to see if this is a possible connection. (I have the book "the Story of Oro", since my own ancestors settled in Oro in 1831 from Ireland.) Apparently the African Episcopal Church, erected in 1849 and renovated one hundred years later, "still stands as a memorial to an episode in the early settlement and history of Upper Canada". "The Oro Township community is unique in that it was the only black settlement sponsored by the government in Ontario." > > > > Catherine > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > > > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I > > have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it > > contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise > > last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors > > of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, > > Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy > > of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read > > "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black man living on the > > main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late 1800s to 1933) and > > nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local historians? > > Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to > > believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was > > wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a > > look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. The > > Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and Staynor - > > sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need clarification, > > please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, email me off list. > > Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 > > census returns, OVS registrations and local records. > > > > I am sure formatting will make for difficult reading and I apologize in > > advance. > > > > 1. *William CARTER* was born on 8 November 1846 in London, Middlesex > > County, Ontario. In 1901 he was a millwright at the Davidson Lumber Mill > > in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. In 1933 he was a retired > > milling hand. His ethnic origin was English. William died on 13 March > > 1933 at the age of 86 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario.^1 > > <#ENDNOTE_1> He was buried on 15 March 1933 in Presbyterian Cemetery, > > Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both his parents were born in Ontario. > > William CARTER and Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR^2 <#ENDNOTE_2> were married > > on 12 December 1872 in Angus, Essa Township, Simcoe County, Ontario.^3 > > <#ENDNOTE_3> The Rev. J. W. Totten officiated at the ceremony. W. > > Brocher (?) was the only witness. They lived at 150 Main Street West in > > Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. They were residents of > > Penetanguishene for 40 years prior to William's death (from 1893). *Ann > > Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR*, daughter of Thomas TAYLOR and Elizabeth > > MCGILVRAY, was born about 1855 in Creemore, Ontario. She died on 18 > > April 1937 at the age of 82 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. > > Her ethnic origin was Scottish. She was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, > > Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both her parents were born in Ontario. > > > > William CARTER and Ann Jane TAYLOR had the following children: > > > > 2 i. *Franklin (Frank) CARTER* was born about 1876 in Ontario. > > > > +3 ii. *Ellen/Ella E. CARTER.* > > > > 4 iii. *Jasper CARTER* was born in October 1879 > > in Sunnidale, Simcoe County, Ontario.^4 <#ENDNOTE_4> In 1900 he was a > > clerk in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He lived at the 5th > > Concession, Park lot 5 in Simcoe County, Ontario in 1900. Jasper died of > > La grippe on 1 December 1900 at the age of 21 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe > > County, Ontario. He was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, > > Penetanguishene, Ontario. > > > > +5 iv. *William Thomas CARTER.* > > > > 6 v. *Norman CARTER* was born in January 1888 in > > Ontario.^5 <#ENDNOTE_5> He lived in Sault-Ste-Marie, Algoma District, > > Ontario in 1911. > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > ***************** > > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. 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I was just wondering - if William Carter's parents, William and Jenny, were married in Angus in 1872, born in Canada, could THEIR parents have been part of the black community in nearby Oro? In 1819 the government sponsored a black settlement in Oro, along Wilberforce Street, one concession east of the Penetanguishene road and offered lots to the "Men of Color" who had served in the War of 1812. The census of 1831 show a black population of 97 in 1831 and 64 in 1848, with a peak of 101 in 1860-61, but by 1901 the numbers were down to about 1831. Many of the black settlers sold their land and moved elsewhere. "Some moved into the local towns such as Barrie and Collingwood; others went to the southern parts of the province or returned to the United States" Since Angus, where William and Jenny were married in 1872, is just a few miles from the (then) Oro, they and their parents could well have been among the first black settlers in Oro (the name Oro, by the way, comes from the Rio del Oro, a river and settlement in the north-west coast of Africa. It was reportedly given this name, due to the intent to set apart this township, or a part of it, as a colony for men of colour). Also, the colony was beside the Penetanguishene Road, which went directly to Penetanguishene, so a logical place to move to. It might be worth checking out the census for Oro in the 1830s and on for the names Carter and Taylor to see if this is a possible connection. (I have the book "the Story of Oro", since my own ancestors settled in Oro in 1831 from Ireland.) Apparently the African Episcopal Church, erected in 1849 and renovated one hundred years later, "still stands as a memorial to an episode in the early settlement and history of Upper Canada". "The Oro Township community is unique in that it was the only black settlement sponsored by the government in Ontario." Catherine > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I > have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it > contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise > last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors > of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, > Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy > of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read > "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black man living on the > main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late 1800s to 1933) and > nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local historians? > Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to > believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was > wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a > look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. The > Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and Staynor - > sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need clarification, > please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, email me off list. > Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 > census returns, OVS registrations and local records. > > I am sure formatting will make for difficult reading and I apologize in > advance. > > 1. *William CARTER* was born on 8 November 1846 in London, Middlesex > County, Ontario. In 1901 he was a millwright at the Davidson Lumber Mill > in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. In 1933 he was a retired > milling hand. His ethnic origin was English. William died on 13 March > 1933 at the age of 86 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario.^1 > <#ENDNOTE_1> He was buried on 15 March 1933 in Presbyterian Cemetery, > Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both his parents were born in Ontario. > William CARTER and Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR^2 <#ENDNOTE_2> were married > on 12 December 1872 in Angus, Essa Township, Simcoe County, Ontario.^3 > <#ENDNOTE_3> The Rev. J. W. Totten officiated at the ceremony. W. > Brocher (?) was the only witness. They lived at 150 Main Street West in > Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. They were residents of > Penetanguishene for 40 years prior to William's death (from 1893). *Ann > Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR*, daughter of Thomas TAYLOR and Elizabeth > MCGILVRAY, was born about 1855 in Creemore, Ontario. She died on 18 > April 1937 at the age of 82 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. > Her ethnic origin was Scottish. She was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, > Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both her parents were born in Ontario. > > William CARTER and Ann Jane TAYLOR had the following children: > > 2 i. *Franklin (Frank) CARTER* was born about 1876 in Ontario. > > +3 ii. *Ellen/Ella E. CARTER.* > > 4 iii. *Jasper CARTER* was born in October 1879 > in Sunnidale, Simcoe County, Ontario.^4 <#ENDNOTE_4> In 1900 he was a > clerk in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He lived at the 5th > Concession, Park lot 5 in Simcoe County, Ontario in 1900. Jasper died of > La grippe on 1 December 1900 at the age of 21 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe > County, Ontario. He was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, > Penetanguishene, Ontario. > > +5 iv. *William Thomas CARTER.* > > 6 v. *Norman CARTER* was born in January 1888 in > Ontario.^5 <#ENDNOTE_5> He lived in Sault-Ste-Marie, Algoma District, > Ontario in 1911. > > > Have fun! > > Pam > > > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047

Hi List Just wanted to ask a favour of those who reside in Simcoe County. As you know I have been photographing cemeteries for Waynes site. I am going to be hanging up the camera due to cancer. If anyone resides near a cemetery that you could kindly photograph for Wayne, we'd both really appreciate it as would our fellow researchers. There are a few that Wayne is working on at the moment, so if you check with him before you start, that would be great. God willing I hope to continue at some point. In the meantime best to all Cheers Heide _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354

This reminds me of a researcher on the Quebec list a few years ago who was challenging the census because it had "B" written in the Origins/Colour column - until she found out that "B" stood for Blanc the French word for white. cheers! Doreen > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:59:22 -0400 > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] PAM/CAN-ONT-SIMCOE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 242 > > Pam I did research for that person on Carter and in all that I came > up with there was only one reference to a Black man. All the other census > showed White. > > That census being 1901 for William Carter. > "Racial/tribal origin" column: Colour > > Ob: > other breed > > Could possibly be an error on the enumerator's part. That census > was difficult to read also. > xoxo > Sandy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 > > From: Pam Tessier <[email protected]> > > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > To: Simcoe List <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I > > have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it > > contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise > > last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors > > of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, > > Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy > > of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read > > "B'" and the origin was entered as African. > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356

I am looking for any info about Peter McColl, br. @1850 Scotland. His family left Scotland aboard the ship "John McKenzie". Arriving in Quebec City they boarded the paddle steamer "Montreal". On June 26, 1857, a tragic fire broke out aboard the "Montreal" 253 people died. Peter's parents were Hugh and Ann McColl. Peter's parents and siblings, Donald, Sarah, Mary and Ann all died. Peter was the only member of his family to survive. The story that was told, was that he survived by holding on to a large tea chest. I think Peter was br. March 1850 Appin Scotland. After surviving the fire Peter, at nine years of age went to live with Edward Turner and Isabella Campbell Turner( both of Islay  ); Scotland), in Oro Twp., Simcoe County. I do not know what his connection was to them. He lived with them until he finished school in Coldwater. He appears on the 1961 Census of Oro but not in the 1971 Census.Family legend has it that he went to California but the family never heard from him again. He may have visited relatives in Chicago on his way west. Thanks for any leads. Heather

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Sandy, There is a clear copy of the 1901 census on Ancestry.ca and it reads as follows: Ontario, East Simcoe, Tiny Township Line 13, 84-84 Carter, William, male, B (the original letter(s) has been overwritten), Head, married, May 22, 1847, 53, born Ont., African, Can., Presby., sawyer, mother tongue English In the margin, very faint, is written the notation: negro origin. His children are all recorded with the letter B as above and their origin is also African. His wife is white and English which is correct and borne out by other documents. In the 1911 census (and others) the enumerator refers to him as English, Canadian. We have determined he was employed by the Davidson Lumber Mill as a sawyer/millwright in 1901 and living in Penetanguishene at 150 Main Street. Both enumerators were probably known to him. Likely it was a case of bias or prejudice on the part of the enumerator based on what he perceived to be the facial features and hair texture of the family members. A photo of William's son shows a man of fair complexion, ordinary features but very closely waved hair. A living descendant, who met father William before he died in 1933, claims that other than his hair, he was an 'ordinary looking man'. If we can locate other Carter family members or documents predating his arrival in Simcoe County about 1872, we may be able to put this story to rest. Pam

Pam I did research for that person on Carter and in all that I came up with there was only one reference to a Black man. All the other census showed White. That census being 1901 for William Carter. "Racial/tribal origin" column: Colour Ob: other breed Could possibly be an error on the enumerator's part. That census was difficult to read also. xoxo Sandy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 > From: Pam Tessier <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > To: Simcoe List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I > have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it > contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise > last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors > of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, > Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy > of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read > "B'" and the origin was entered as African.

Thank you -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits published three days a week. njp > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:54:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits > > > Annie, > > > > Is that 22 July 2009? > > > > Current newspaper for Kirkland Lake seems to be the Northern News http://www.northernnews.ca/ but I cannot find a current Walker obit. Hmm, just how often does this paper publish? > > > > Perhaps try Kirkland Lake Public Library http://www.olsn.ca/kirklandlakepl/index.html? > > > > Jani in Kitchener ON > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:22:19 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits > > > > I am looking for an obit for a Robert WALKER, died July 22 in Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada.? Could someone tell me which paper it is likely to be in and if it is on line, please. > > > > Annie in Minnesota > > ***************** > > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The name BROWNLEE doesn't ring any bells, BUT . STODDART .. SHOWS UP IN Oro township .. Look in the Little Brick Church(United Church) in ORO ( Wayne cook's site ) . St. Thomas, Anglican is SHANTY BAY Ontario, ( also, I believe, on Wayne's site) Shanty Bay is about 4 miles distant from the Oro Church ( above ) . Barrie is perhaps 10 miles distant from Shanty Bay . Good Luck . I know the area well. Paul Robins Wintery in New Zealand ?? Summer was a THURSDAY, here in Ontario :-) Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pen Brown Sent: July-22-09 4:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Anyone know of Alexander Brownlee in Oro, Simcoe Hi Listers, Does anyone know of Alexander Brownlee, a blacksmith, born 1828 in Greenlaw, Borders of Scotland, who migrated with his family in 1866 to Simcoe, Ontario and who died in 1912 in Barrie? Or of his wife Mary Brownlee nee Stoddart who was born in the Borders of Scotland in 1829 and who died in 1908 and is buried at St Thomas' Anglican Church? Or any of their descendants? Alexander's parents are my great great grandparents. Any information on this family would be much appreciated. TIA (Mr) Pen Brown, in wintry New Zealand [email protected] ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

published three days a week. njp > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:54:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits > > > Annie, > > > > Is that 22 July 2009? > > > > Current newspaper for Kirkland Lake seems to be the Northern News http://www.northernnews.ca/ but I cannot find a current Walker obit. Hmm, just how often does this paper publish? > > > > Perhaps try Kirkland Lake Public Library http://www.olsn.ca/kirklandlakepl/index.html? > > > > Jani in Kitchener ON > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:22:19 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits > > > > I am looking for an obit for a Robert WALKER, died July 22 in Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada.? Could someone tell me which paper it is likely to be in and if it is on line, please. > > > > Annie in Minnesota > > ***************** > > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kent County has a strong Black history group. I am sure a little googling will connect you to some of their research. Ron -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Haggerty Sent: July-25-09 5:31 PM To: Simcoe List Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] early black families in London, Ontario A few years ago someone gave a presentation at the London ON genealogical society, talking about John Brown and the underground railroad. I was particularly interested, as Bateman family stories include reference to John Brown seeking refuge at the home of Charles Bateman in Kansas--Charles had migrated from Middlesex County Ontario (then Canada West) to Kansas--he left Canada in 1855, arrived in Kansas in 1857. I'm relying on my memory here, and may be a bit fuzzy on the details, so perhaps others will have a more accurate version. Anyway, more or less, the presenter told of John Brown coming to London and buying land on the Thames River in what is now near the centre of the city of London and that the property was used to build homes for African American families. Unfortunately, I don't recall what the timing was, but it obviously had to be no later than 1859. As some of our list members will know, there was a large black settlement southwest of London which is now a popular tourist attraction--the fabled "Uncle Tom" and his cabin were in that settlement. Southwestern Ontario was an important terminus of the underground railroad. A query to the London-Middlesex genealogical society and/or the Middlesex county email list may provide more precise details. Sharon Haggerty Bowen Island, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Tessier" <[email protected]> To: "Simcoe List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I > have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it > contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise > last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors > of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, > Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy > of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read > "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black man living on the > main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late 1800s to 1933) and > nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local historians? > Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to > believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was > wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a > look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. The > Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and Staynor - > sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need clarification, > please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, email me off list. > Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 > census returns, OVS registrations and local records. > ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black man living on the main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late 1800s to 1933) and nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local historians? Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. The Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and Staynor - sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need clarification, please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, email me off list. Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 census returns, OVS registrations and local records. I am sure formatting will make for difficult reading and I apologize in advance. 1. *William CARTER* was born on 8 November 1846 in London, Middlesex County, Ontario. In 1901 he was a millwright at the Davidson Lumber Mill in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. In 1933 he was a retired milling hand. His ethnic origin was English. William died on 13 March 1933 at the age of 86 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario.^1 <#ENDNOTE_1> He was buried on 15 March 1933 in Presbyterian Cemetery, Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both his parents were born in Ontario. William CARTER and Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR^2 <#ENDNOTE_2> were married on 12 December 1872 in Angus, Essa Township, Simcoe County, Ontario.^3 <#ENDNOTE_3> The Rev. J. W. Totten officiated at the ceremony. W. Brocher (?) was the only witness. They lived at 150 Main Street West in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. They were residents of Penetanguishene for 40 years prior to William's death (from 1893). *Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR*, daughter of Thomas TAYLOR and Elizabeth MCGILVRAY, was born about 1855 in Creemore, Ontario. She died on 18 April 1937 at the age of 82 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. Her ethnic origin was Scottish. She was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both her parents were born in Ontario. William CARTER and Ann Jane TAYLOR had the following children: 2 i. *Franklin (Frank) CARTER* was born about 1876 in Ontario. +3 ii. *Ellen/Ella E. CARTER.* 4 iii. *Jasper CARTER* was born in October 1879 in Sunnidale, Simcoe County, Ontario.^4 <#ENDNOTE_4> In 1900 he was a clerk in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He lived at the 5th Concession, Park lot 5 in Simcoe County, Ontario in 1900. Jasper died of La grippe on 1 December 1900 at the age of 21 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, Penetanguishene, Ontario. +5 iv. *William Thomas CARTER.* 6 v. *Norman CARTER* was born in January 1888 in Ontario.^5 <#ENDNOTE_5> He lived in Sault-Ste-Marie, Algoma District, Ontario in 1911. Have fun! Pam

A few years ago someone gave a presentation at the London ON genealogical society, talking about John Brown and the underground railroad. I was particularly interested, as Bateman family stories include reference to John Brown seeking refuge at the home of Charles Bateman in Kansas--Charles had migrated from Middlesex County Ontario (then Canada West) to Kansas--he left Canada in 1855, arrived in Kansas in 1857. I'm relying on my memory here, and may be a bit fuzzy on the details, so perhaps others will have a more accurate version. Anyway, more or less, the presenter told of John Brown coming to London and buying land on the Thames River in what is now near the centre of the city of London and that the property was used to build homes for African American families. Unfortunately, I don't recall what the timing was, but it obviously had to be no later than 1859. As some of our list members will know, there was a large black settlement southwest of London which is now a popular tourist attraction--the fabled "Uncle Tom" and his cabin were in that settlement. Southwestern Ontario was an important terminus of the underground railroad. A query to the London-Middlesex genealogical society and/or the Middlesex county email list may provide more precise details. Sharon Haggerty Bowen Island, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Tessier" <[email protected]> To: "Simcoe List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. I > have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as it > contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a surprise > last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the ancestors > of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man from London, > Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he produced a copy > of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was altered to read > "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black man living on the > main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late 1800s to 1933) and > nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local historians? > Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to > believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was > wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a > look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. The > Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and Staynor - > sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need clarification, > please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, email me off list. > Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 > census returns, OVS registrations and local records. >

Annie, Is that 22 July 2009? Current newspaper for Kirkland Lake seems to be the Northern News http://www.northernnews.ca/ but I cannot find a current Walker obit. Hmm, just how often does this paper publish? Perhaps try Kirkland Lake Public Library http://www.olsn.ca/kirklandlakepl/index.html? Jani in Kitchener ON > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:22:19 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits > > I am looking for an obit for a Robert WALKER, died July 22 in Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada.? Could someone tell me which paper it is likely to be in and if it is on line, please. > > Annie in Minnesota > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357

I am looking for an obit for a Robert WALKER, died July 22 in Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada.? Could someone tell me which paper it is likely to be in and if it is on line, please. Annie in Minnesota

Northern Daily News or Temiskaming Speaker newspapers ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Kirkland Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada, obits >I am looking for an obit for a Robert WALKER, died July 22 in Kirkland >Lake, Temiskaming, Ontario, Canada.? Could someone tell me which paper it >is likely to be in and if it is on line, please. > > Annie in Minnesota > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am looking for BRADLEY ancestors who were in Simcoe County for a time. Info from the 1871 census, Collingwood, Simcoe, Ontario: Name Age Born Relig. Origin Bradley George 43 O(ntario) W. Meth Irish Julia Maria 44 " " Englisn Esther Minerva 19 ' " Irish Sally Maude 17 " " " George Willis 15 " " " Joseph Noble 14 " " " Samantha Armeda 11 " " " Heber Ross 9 " " " Susannah Rebecca 6 " " " Martha Lavina 3 " " " Berniece Louisa 7mo " " " (p.136) Bradley Nathan 42 O(ntario) W. Meth Irish Ruth 42 " " " Amanda? 9 " " " Levi 4 " " " Leander 1 " " " (p.138) Is anyone else on the list researching this line? I think they were originally from Haldimand Township, Northumberland County. Both families above were in Sault Ste. Marie, Algoma district in 1881 and several emigrated to the US ca. 1886. Shawn Meredith

Thanks Jani Pen [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jani Carless" <[email protected]> To: "Simcoe List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Anyone know of Alexander Brownlee in Oro, Simcoe > > Canada411 http://www.canada411.ca/ lists 4 of the Brownlee surname in > Barrie and one in Angus. Worth snail-mailing? > > > > Jani > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it > simple. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks Doreen Pen [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Anyone know of Alexander Brownlee in Oro, Simcoe > > The 1881 Canada Census can be found at: > > www.familysearch.org and the Brownlee family are listed for Oro, Simcoe > North, Ontario, including eleven children which this Census shows as all > having been born in Scotland. > > > See: www.automatedgenealogy.com for the 1901 and 1911 Canada Census giving > the families and their children. > > > > Some Brownlee Marriages - > >>Alexander m. Maria Willmott - 22 Jan 1883 > >>Isabella m. Charles Drury - 15 May 1889 > >>Catherine m. George Laing Partridge - 20 April 1887 > >>Mary Ann m. Robert James Fletcher - 24 May 1876 > >>William m. Mary A. Higgins - 25 Jan 1900 > >>Thomas m. Elizabeth Jane Lucas - 28 July 1909 > >> > > > > Cheers! > > Doreen > > ========= >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:45:07 +1200 >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Anyone know of Alexander Brownlee in Oro, >> Simcoe >> >> Hi Listers, >> >> Does anyone know of Alexander Brownlee, a blacksmith, born 1828 in >> Greenlaw, Borders of Scotland, who migrated with his family in 1866 to >> Simcoe, Ontario and who died in 1912 in Barrie? Or of his wife Mary >> Brownlee nee Stoddart who was born in the Borders of Scotland in 1829 and >> who died in 1908 and is buried at St Thomas' Anglican Church? Or any of >> their descendants? >> >> Alexander's parents are my great great grandparents. Any information on >> this family would be much appreciated. >> TIA >> (Mr) Pen Brown, in wintry New Zealand >> [email protected] >> ***************** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy >> >> Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >