Maybe the name was Pamela, not Permilla. There was a birth of a Marie Pamela Valade on 29 April 1872 at Montreal - see: Montréal, Sault-au-Récollet) (La Visitation-de-la-Bienheureuse-Vierge-Marie) > 1856-1873 - Drouin Image 155 ... or.. LDS Pilot for La Visitation du Sault au Recollet, 1856-1873 - image 187, which is much clearer to read. The godmother for this infant was a Pamela Valade. I know the date of birth is too late for your Marie - just mentioning the name as a possibility. ====== > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:05:47 -0400 > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Fw: Harringtons > > I forgot to mention that at least 2 of Mary (Vallad/Dupuis) Harrington's > children listed her name in various records as Mary Permilla Vallad, which > is even stranger. She had a grand-daughter Priscilla, so maybe Permilla was > a skewed version of that (or vice-versa), although again, does not sound > French. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons > > > > <snip> _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354

I forgot to mention that at least 2 of Mary (Vallad/Dupuis) Harrington's children listed her name in various records as Mary Permilla Vallad, which is even stranger. She had a grand-daughter Priscilla, so maybe Permilla was a skewed version of that (or vice-versa), although again, does not sound French. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons > Thanks! Yes, of all the names for a French ancestor to have, Mary must be > the worst...personally I'd think Julie would be the name you'd use over > Mary/Marie, since everyone had that name (even some boys), but maybe > that's my 20th-century-ness talking, or my Protestantism (!). And I don't > know how to explain the Dupuis in daughter Melissa's baptism record > either, unless her name was something like Dupuis dit Vallad, or > vice-versa. Also Melissa strikes me as a very odd name for that time, & > does'nt sound French or Catholic to me either. > Yes, sometimes the family (including herself) got their origins mixed > up...I'm pretty certain she was born in Quebec, not France. Her parents > might have been from France, but I don't think she was. Sometimes one of > her children listed themselves as French too, whether out or ignorance or > to "cover" their father's origins (whatever those were), I have no idea. > It also likely didn't help that she couldn't read or write. > If only the 1851 Simcoe census had survived, things would be so much > easier! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Conlin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons > > >> >> Well this is a tough one for sure! Since most females were given the >> name Marie at baptism it is hard to know about a second, more >> identifying, name. >> >> >> >> Nothing much showed up in the 1851 Canada Census either when I looked for >> a Francois with wife Marie. Interesting to see on Marie's marriage >> registration to Tegart that France was given as place of birth - but not >> unusual either. >> >> >> >> I'll keep my eyes open for anything that might relate to this couple as I >> wander through Drouin - you never know what might pop up. >> >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> Doreen >> >> ======== >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:34:49 -0400 >>> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons >>> >>> This is what I know about my Harringtons so far: >>> >>> Joseph Harrington, mulatto, born either 1807 in Upper Canada (according >>> to 1861 census), or 1796 in Scotland (according to his tombstone), lived >>> in West Gwillimbury Twp., died in 1863. >>> >>> Wife: >>> Mary Dupuis (according to daughter Melissa's baptism), or Mary Permilla >>> Vallad, daughter of Francis & Mary Vallad, born in Quebec about 1814, >>> married James M. Tegart in Bond Head in 1875; living with her son >>> Francis under the name Harrington again by 1881; died in Essa Twp. in >>> 1894. There was a Marie Julie Valade, daughter of Francois & Marie >>> Charlotte (Cadotte) Valade, baptized at Notre-Dame, Montreal, in August >>> 1815, but I'm not sure it's the same person. >>> >>> Children: >>> Mary Harrington, born about 1833, married James Monckton by 1851, had 5 >>> children, married James Sparks between 1861 & 1871, had at least 2 more >>> children, lived in Bradford, died between 1871 & 1881, no tombstone or >>> death certificate (this is my gr-gr-gr-grandmother). >>> Joseph Harrington, born about 1836 in Sharon, living in Lincoln Twp. in >>> 1851 & 1861, married Hannah Wates about 1857, lived Essa Twp., had 13 >>> children, married Betsy Cattle in 1890 in Toronto, where presumably he >>> died. >>> Rebecca Harrington?, born about 1838, married a Smith & died in 1860 of >>> decline? (note: siblings Mary & Joseph both had daughters named Rebecca) >>> Francis Harrington, born about 1839 in Lloydtown, married Sarah Rose in >>> 1871, had at least 7 children (but there's an 11 yr gap between the 5th >>> & 6th), lived in West Gwillimbury until at least 1881, moved to Essa by >>> 1891, died in Essa Twp. in 1894. >>> Jane Ann Harrington, born about 1840, married John Sebastian in 1858, >>> lived in Barrie until about 1881, had 8 children, moved to Toronto by >>> 1888, married Thomas Haggart Davies in 1889. >>> Mary Melissa L. Harrington, also called Elizabeth or sometimes Annie, >>> born 1844, baptized Manitoulin Island 1845, married Jonathan Palmer >>> about 1864, lived in Barrie until about 1881, moved to Toronto by 1891, >>> had 8 children, married Alfred Arrowsmith in 1913, died at St. Michael's >>> Hospital in 1918. >>> George E. Harrington, born about 1854, died unmarried in West >>> Gwillimbury in 1878. >>> >>> ***************** >>> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy >>> >>> Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356 >> ***************** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy >> >> Simcoe Co. 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Thanks! Yes, of all the names for a French ancestor to have, Mary must be the worst...personally I'd think Julie would be the name you'd use over Mary/Marie, since everyone had that name (even some boys), but maybe that's my 20th-century-ness talking, or my Protestantism (!). And I don't know how to explain the Dupuis in daughter Melissa's baptism record either, unless her name was something like Dupuis dit Vallad, or vice-versa. Also Melissa strikes me as a very odd name for that time, & does'nt sound French or Catholic to me either. Yes, sometimes the family (including herself) got their origins mixed up...I'm pretty certain she was born in Quebec, not France. Her parents might have been from France, but I don't think she was. Sometimes one of her children listed themselves as French too, whether out or ignorance or to "cover" their father's origins (whatever those were), I have no idea. It also likely didn't help that she couldn't read or write. If only the 1851 Simcoe census had survived, things would be so much easier! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons > > Well this is a tough one for sure! Since most females were given the name > Marie at baptism it is hard to know about a second, more identifying, > name. > > > > Nothing much showed up in the 1851 Canada Census either when I looked for > a Francois with wife Marie. Interesting to see on Marie's marriage > registration to Tegart that France was given as place of birth - but not > unusual either. > > > > I'll keep my eyes open for anything that might relate to this couple as I > wander through Drouin - you never know what might pop up. > > > > Cheers! > > Doreen > > ======== > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:34:49 -0400 >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons >> >> This is what I know about my Harringtons so far: >> >> Joseph Harrington, mulatto, born either 1807 in Upper Canada (according >> to 1861 census), or 1796 in Scotland (according to his tombstone), lived >> in West Gwillimbury Twp., died in 1863. >> >> Wife: >> Mary Dupuis (according to daughter Melissa's baptism), or Mary Permilla >> Vallad, daughter of Francis & Mary Vallad, born in Quebec about 1814, >> married James M. Tegart in Bond Head in 1875; living with her son Francis >> under the name Harrington again by 1881; died in Essa Twp. in 1894. There >> was a Marie Julie Valade, daughter of Francois & Marie Charlotte >> (Cadotte) Valade, baptized at Notre-Dame, Montreal, in August 1815, but >> I'm not sure it's the same person. >> >> Children: >> Mary Harrington, born about 1833, married James Monckton by 1851, had 5 >> children, married James Sparks between 1861 & 1871, had at least 2 more >> children, lived in Bradford, died between 1871 & 1881, no tombstone or >> death certificate (this is my gr-gr-gr-grandmother). >> Joseph Harrington, born about 1836 in Sharon, living in Lincoln Twp. in >> 1851 & 1861, married Hannah Wates about 1857, lived Essa Twp., had 13 >> children, married Betsy Cattle in 1890 in Toronto, where presumably he >> died. >> Rebecca Harrington?, born about 1838, married a Smith & died in 1860 of >> decline? (note: siblings Mary & Joseph both had daughters named Rebecca) >> Francis Harrington, born about 1839 in Lloydtown, married Sarah Rose in >> 1871, had at least 7 children (but there's an 11 yr gap between the 5th & >> 6th), lived in West Gwillimbury until at least 1881, moved to Essa by >> 1891, died in Essa Twp. in 1894. >> Jane Ann Harrington, born about 1840, married John Sebastian in 1858, >> lived in Barrie until about 1881, had 8 children, moved to Toronto by >> 1888, married Thomas Haggart Davies in 1889. >> Mary Melissa L. Harrington, also called Elizabeth or sometimes Annie, >> born 1844, baptized Manitoulin Island 1845, married Jonathan Palmer about >> 1864, lived in Barrie until about 1881, moved to Toronto by 1891, had 8 >> children, married Alfred Arrowsmith in 1913, died at St. Michael's >> Hospital in 1918. >> George E. 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Checked the current Kitchener phone book for JUSTIN, none there, unless they have moved to an outlying area. Two of the Justin surname listed in Waterloo County under the OCFA. Any clues? Regards Jani Carless Kitchener, ON > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:17:39 +0000 > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harrington/Justin > > > Hi, > > I don't know if this will help but there is a record of a baptism in the Drouin records for Wikwemikong (Manitoulin, Ontario) for a Mary Malacy (Melissa?) born in 1845 to a Joseph Harrington and Marie Dupuis. On the 1861 census, they have a daughter, Melissa, age 17. > > > > On the York County census for 1891, their son, Francis, is shown with his family and his mother, Mary, age 80. > > > > I checked birth records for the children of Francis Harrington and Sarah Rose and found a late registration for their daughter, Myrtle Lila born in 1891, Bond Head. The late registration was signed by Myrtle (Harrington) Justin in Kitchener in 1958. Her father's origin is just given as 'Canadian'. She was married to Wellington Justin in 1911 in Muskoka and they are on the 1911 census in North Waterloo, Town of Berlin (later known as Kitchener). I'm wondering if you might still find family in that area since they possibly lived there for quite a long period. > > > > Regards, > > Lynne. > > > > Where can I find the 1831 & 1848 censuses for Oro? My > > > gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph Harrington was described in the 1861 > > > West Gwillimbury census as "mullatto", & so were all his children, but he > > > was dead by 1871 so I have no further information. According to the 1861 > > > census, he was born about 1807 in Upper Canada, but that's all I know. > > > His wife was from Quebec. By 1871 only his one son was described on the > > > census as "African"; the rest of his children weren't listed as anything > > > other than white (most listed their origins/birthplaces the same as their > > > spouses'). The same son listed his birthplace as Lloydtown, Ontario on a > > > marriage register. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671355 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357

Well this is a tough one for sure! Since most females were given the name Marie at baptism it is hard to know about a second, more identifying, name. Nothing much showed up in the 1851 Canada Census either when I looked for a Francois with wife Marie. Interesting to see on Marie's marriage registration to Tegart that France was given as place of birth - but not unusual either. I'll keep my eyes open for anything that might relate to this couple as I wander through Drouin - you never know what might pop up. Cheers! Doreen ======== > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:34:49 -0400 > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harringtons > > This is what I know about my Harringtons so far: > > Joseph Harrington, mulatto, born either 1807 in Upper Canada (according to 1861 census), or 1796 in Scotland (according to his tombstone), lived in West Gwillimbury Twp., died in 1863. > > Wife: > Mary Dupuis (according to daughter Melissa's baptism), or Mary Permilla Vallad, daughter of Francis & Mary Vallad, born in Quebec about 1814, married James M. Tegart in Bond Head in 1875; living with her son Francis under the name Harrington again by 1881; died in Essa Twp. in 1894. There was a Marie Julie Valade, daughter of Francois & Marie Charlotte (Cadotte) Valade, baptized at Notre-Dame, Montreal, in August 1815, but I'm not sure it's the same person. > > Children: > Mary Harrington, born about 1833, married James Monckton by 1851, had 5 children, married James Sparks between 1861 & 1871, had at least 2 more children, lived in Bradford, died between 1871 & 1881, no tombstone or death certificate (this is my gr-gr-gr-grandmother). > Joseph Harrington, born about 1836 in Sharon, living in Lincoln Twp. in 1851 & 1861, married Hannah Wates about 1857, lived Essa Twp., had 13 children, married Betsy Cattle in 1890 in Toronto, where presumably he died. > Rebecca Harrington?, born about 1838, married a Smith & died in 1860 of decline? (note: siblings Mary & Joseph both had daughters named Rebecca) > Francis Harrington, born about 1839 in Lloydtown, married Sarah Rose in 1871, had at least 7 children (but there's an 11 yr gap between the 5th & 6th), lived in West Gwillimbury until at least 1881, moved to Essa by 1891, died in Essa Twp. in 1894. > Jane Ann Harrington, born about 1840, married John Sebastian in 1858, lived in Barrie until about 1881, had 8 children, moved to Toronto by 1888, married Thomas Haggart Davies in 1889. > Mary Melissa L. Harrington, also called Elizabeth or sometimes Annie, born 1844, baptized Manitoulin Island 1845, married Jonathan Palmer about 1864, lived in Barrie until about 1881, moved to Toronto by 1891, had 8 children, married Alfred Arrowsmith in 1913, died at St. Michael's Hospital in 1918. > George E. Harrington, born about 1854, died unmarried in West Gwillimbury in 1878. > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356

This is what I know about my Harringtons so far: Joseph Harrington, mulatto, born either 1807 in Upper Canada (according to 1861 census), or 1796 in Scotland (according to his tombstone), lived in West Gwillimbury Twp., died in 1863. Wife: Mary Dupuis (according to daughter Melissa's baptism), or Mary Permilla Vallad, daughter of Francis & Mary Vallad, born in Quebec about 1814, married James M. Tegart in Bond Head in 1875; living with her son Francis under the name Harrington again by 1881; died in Essa Twp. in 1894. There was a Marie Julie Valade, daughter of Francois & Marie Charlotte (Cadotte) Valade, baptized at Notre-Dame, Montreal, in August 1815, but I'm not sure it's the same person. Children: Mary Harrington, born about 1833, married James Monckton by 1851, had 5 children, married James Sparks between 1861 & 1871, had at least 2 more children, lived in Bradford, died between 1871 & 1881, no tombstone or death certificate (this is my gr-gr-gr-grandmother). Joseph Harrington, born about 1836 in Sharon, living in Lincoln Twp. in 1851 & 1861, married Hannah Wates about 1857, lived Essa Twp., had 13 children, married Betsy Cattle in 1890 in Toronto, where presumably he died. Rebecca Harrington?, born about 1838, married a Smith & died in 1860 of decline? (note: siblings Mary & Joseph both had daughters named Rebecca) Francis Harrington, born about 1839 in Lloydtown, married Sarah Rose in 1871, had at least 7 children (but there's an 11 yr gap between the 5th & 6th), lived in West Gwillimbury until at least 1881, moved to Essa by 1891, died in Essa Twp. in 1894. Jane Ann Harrington, born about 1840, married John Sebastian in 1858, lived in Barrie until about 1881, had 8 children, moved to Toronto by 1888, married Thomas Haggart Davies in 1889. Mary Melissa L. Harrington, also called Elizabeth or sometimes Annie, born 1844, baptized Manitoulin Island 1845, married Jonathan Palmer about 1864, lived in Barrie until about 1881, moved to Toronto by 1891, had 8 children, married Alfred Arrowsmith in 1913, died at St. Michael's Hospital in 1918. George E. Harrington, born about 1854, died unmarried in West Gwillimbury in 1878.

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Yes, I've been wondering that too....wondering if an 1861 white censustaker would even know the difference between light-skinned "mulatto" & mixed-blood Native. 2009/8/5 Nicki Harper <[email protected]> > > > Intrigued by the thread on the Harringtons, I'm wondering if mixed-blood > Native > > people "passed" as white, or how they are distinguished on census returns. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free photo software from Windows Live > > http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I don't know if this will help but there is a record of a baptism in the Drouin records for Wikwemikong (Manitoulin, Ontario) for a Mary Malacy (Melissa?) born in 1845 to a Joseph Harrington and Marie Dupuis. On the 1861 census, they have a daughter, Melissa, age 17. On the York County census for 1891, their son, Francis, is shown with his family and his mother, Mary, age 80. I checked birth records for the children of Francis Harrington and Sarah Rose and found a late registration for their daughter, Myrtle Lila born in 1891, Bond Head. The late registration was signed by Myrtle (Harrington) Justin in Kitchener in 1958. Her father's origin is just given as 'Canadian'. She was married to Wellington Justin in 1911 in Muskoka and they are on the 1911 census in North Waterloo, Town of Berlin (later known as Kitchener). I'm wondering if you might still find family in that area since they possibly lived there for quite a long period. Regards, Lynne. > > Where can I find the 1831 & 1848 censuses for Oro? My > > gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph Harrington was described in the 1861 > > West Gwillimbury census as "mullatto", & so were all his children, but he > > was dead by 1871 so I have no further information. According to the 1861 > > census, he was born about 1807 in Upper Canada, but that's all I know. > > His wife was from Quebec. By 1871 only his one son was described on the > > census as "African"; the rest of his children weren't listed as anything > > other than white (most listed their origins/birthplaces the same as their > > spouses'). The same son listed his birthplace as Lloydtown, Ontario on a > > marriage register. _________________________________________________________________ Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671355

Intrigued by the thread on the Harringtons, I'm wondering if mixed-blood Native people "passed" as white, or how they are distinguished on census returns. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009

Yes, since the race column specified coloured, mulatto or Indian, & the column next to Joseph & his children is ticked with an "m", I've interpreted that to mean they were considered mulatto, whatever that meant in reality. I believe Rebecca Smith may have been a married daughter who died, as the age fits. Otherwise I have no idea what her connection with the family was. There must have been several more children, since there is a gap of 10 years between Melissa & George. I do know that a daughter Jane married John Sebastian, an Italian hairdresser. And I believe my own gr-gr-gr-grandmother Mary, who married James Monckton, was another daughter. On the 1871 census, Francis is the only member of the family distinguished as being anything other than white. He's actually described as "African," which seems stronger than mulatto. How his siblings got away with being listed as white, is puzzling. Father Joseph was dead by 1871. There were no other Joseph Harringtons living in Simcoe in 1861, according to the census, so I believe the Joseph Harrington buried about 1862 is the same person, but confusingly his gravestone says he was born in SCOTLAND. Also his year of birth is off by a few years, though that's not a huge issue. 2009/8/5 Conlin <[email protected]> > Also noted in the 1861 Census as mentioned by Lynn are other children, > namely Francis aged 22 whose occupation was a Plasterer and George E. aged > 7. The notation in the columns is that the father and the children are > persons of colour. The father and the children are indicated as having been > born in U Canada while Mary the spouse is noted as being born in L Canada. > The family religion was given as Methodist. > > This Census also shows another person in the household by name of Rebecca > Smith who died in the year of the Census at what appears to be age 22. > > Happy Trails! > Doreen > > > > ------------------------------ > Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts - right from your > Hotmail inbox! <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671351> >

Re: how one sibling was called "African" while others were called white: I know a family where the mother, like Barak Obama, is the child of a white anglo mother and a father from the Kenyan Luo tribe. She is sort of medium brown, perhaps a bit darker than Obama. Her husband is blond and blue-eyed. They have 2 boys: one whose colouring is exactly the same shade as his mom and the other is very blond and blue-eyed. I suspect the Harrington family being discussed had similarly wide-ranging colouring--Francis was probably much darker in colour and his siblings fair enough to be considered "white." Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Harrington & 1861 Census > Yes, since the race column specified coloured, mulatto or Indian, & the > column next to Joseph & his children is ticked with an "m", I've > interpreted > that to mean they were considered mulatto, whatever that meant in reality. > On the 1871 census, Francis is the only member of the family distinguished > as being anything other than white. He's actually described as "African," > which seems stronger than mulatto. How his siblings got away with being > listed as white, is puzzling.

Thank you, this is a big help. Mary Harrington's death record & a few of her children's marriage records give her maiden name as Vallad/Valade, daughter of Francis & Mary (Marie), so this is interesting if confusing. Also confusing is that a Joseph Harrington died in 1862 (I think, working from memory here) & was of the approx. right age but his tombstone claims he was born in SCOTLAND. Mary (Dupuis/Vallad) Harrington remarried James Tegart in the 1870s but must have left him as she was living with her son in the 1891 census (as you noted) under the name Harrington. 2009/8/5 Lynne Kemp <[email protected]> > > Hi, > > I don't know if this will help but there is a record of a baptism in the > Drouin records for Wikwemikong (Manitoulin, Ontario) for a Mary Malacy > (Melissa?) born in 1845 to a Joseph Harrington and Marie Dupuis. On the > 1861 census, they have a daughter, Melissa, age 17. > > > > On the York County census for 1891, their son, Francis, is shown with his > family and his mother, Mary, age 80. > > > > I checked birth records for the children of Francis Harrington and Sarah > Rose and found a late registration for their daughter, Myrtle Lila born in > 1891, Bond Head. The late registration was signed by Myrtle (Harrington) > Justin in Kitchener in 1958. Her father's origin is just given as > 'Canadian'. She was married to Wellington Justin in 1911 in Muskoka and they > are on the 1911 census in North Waterloo, Town of Berlin (later known as > Kitchener). I'm wondering if you might still find family in that area since > they possibly lived there for quite a long period. > > > > Regards, > > Lynne. > > > > Where can I find the 1831 & 1848 censuses for Oro? My > > > gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph Harrington was described in the 1861 > > > West Gwillimbury census as "mullatto", & so were all his children, but > he > > > was dead by 1871 so I have no further information. According to the > 1861 > > > census, he was born about 1807 in Upper Canada, but that's all I know. > > > His wife was from Quebec. By 1871 only his one son was described on the > > > census as "African"; the rest of his children weren't listed as > anything > > > other than white (most listed their origins/birthplaces the same as > their > > > spouses'). The same son listed his birthplace as Lloydtown, Ontario on > a > > > marriage register. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671355 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Also noted in the 1861 Census as mentioned by Lynn are other children, namely Francis aged 22 whose occupation was a Plasterer and George E. aged 7. The notation in the columns is that the father and the children are persons of colour. The father and the children are indicated as having been born in U Canada while Mary the spouse is noted as being born in L Canada. The family religion was given as Methodist. This Census also shows another person in the household by name of Rebecca Smith who died in the year of the Census at what appears to be age 22. Happy Trails! Doreen _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356

The earliest surviving Oro census is 1861., but there are Return of Settlers records for 1831 and 1836. These list the head of household and were rather like a census. I have transcribed both and Joseph Harrington doesn't appear in either. There are a number listed as coloured in 1836 so they weren't left out because of that. Perhaps your family was missed or they were in a nearby in township. I know we had family missed in the 1861 and 1881 census'. The assessment records at the Simcoe County Archives may have them listed. I found them really useful. Marjorie Cameron McQuay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] 1831, 1848 Oro censuses? > Where can I find the 1831 & 1848 censuses for Oro? My > gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph Harrington was described in the 1861 > West Gwillimbury census as "mullatto", & so were all his children, but he > was dead by 1871 so I have no further information. According to the 1861 > census, he was born about 1807 in Upper Canada, but that's all I know. > His wife was from Quebec. By 1871 only his one son was described on the > census as "African"; the rest of his children weren't listed as anything > other than white (most listed their origins/birthplaces the same as their > spouses'). The same son listed his birthplace as Lloydtown, Ontario on a > marriage register. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nieva" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > >> Just a quick note, my Thompson family was one of the original families >> from >> Oro >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul and Ruth >> Robins >> Sent: July-27-09 11:52 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family >> >> ORO, in Spanish, means GOLD . I am told. >> >> The last, black family, in ORO , was living on the Second Concession, of >> ORO, just above what is now a GOLF COURSE, IN THE LATE MONTHS OF 1940. >> >> I REMEMBER WELL, my Mother driving us past the Family Home, and seeing >> the >> old couple, sitting on the front steps, of the house. No porch. It was my >> first exposure to `` people of colour `` . We had just previously moved >> to >> Oro, from Coldwater, Ontario ( in Medonte, about 20 miles, as the crow >> flies. ) My Mother, a Public School Teacher, was steeped in History. >> >> Paul Robins >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of catherine >> campbell >> Sent: July-26-09 10:18 PM >> To: simcoe rootsweb >> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family >> >> >> I was just wondering - if William Carter's parents, William and Jenny, >> were >> married in Angus in 1872, born in Canada, could THEIR parents have been >> part >> of the black community in nearby Oro? In 1819 the government sponsored a >> black settlement in Oro, along Wilberforce Street, one concession east of >> the Penetanguishene road and offered lots to the "Men of Color" who had >> served in the War of 1812. The census of 1831 show a black population of >> 97 >> in 1831 and 64 in 1848, with a peak of 101 in 1860-61, but by 1901 the >> numbers were down to about 1831. Many of the black settlers sold their >> land >> and moved elsewhere. "Some moved into the local towns such as Barrie and >> Collingwood; others went to the southern parts of the province or >> returned >> to the United States" Since Angus, where William and Jenny were married >> in >> 1872, is just a few miles from the (then) Oro, they and their parents >> could >> well have been among the first black settlers in Oro (the name Oro, by >> the >> way, comes from ! >> the Rio del Oro, a river and settlement in the north-west coast of >> Africa. >> It was reportedly given this name, due to the intent to set apart this >> township, or a part of it, as a colony for men of colour). Also, the >> colony >> was beside the Penetanguishene Road, which went directly to >> Penetanguishene, >> so a logical place to move to. >> >> >> >> It might be worth checking out the census for Oro in the 1830s and on for >> the names Carter and Taylor to see if this is a possible connection. (I >> have >> the book "the Story of Oro", since my own ancestors settled in Oro in >> 1831 >> from Ireland.) Apparently the African Episcopal Church, erected in 1849 >> and >> renovated one hundred years later, "still stands as a memorial to an >> episode >> in the early settlement and history of Upper Canada". "The Oro Township >> community is unique in that it was the only black settlement sponsored by >> the government in Ontario." >> >> >> >> Catherine >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family >>> >>> All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. >>> I have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as >>> it contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a >>> surprise last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the >>> ancestors of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man >>> from London, Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he >>> produced a copy of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was >>> altered to read "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black >>> man living on the main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late >>> 1800s to 1933) and nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local >> historians? >>> Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to >>> believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was >>> wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a >>> look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. >>> The Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and >>> Staynor - sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need >>> clarification, please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, >> email me off list. >>> Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 >>> census returns, OVS registrations and local records. >>> >>> I am sure formatting will make for difficult reading and I apologize >>> in advance. >>> >>> 1. *William CARTER* was born on 8 November 1846 in London, Middlesex >>> County, Ontario. In 1901 he was a millwright at the Davidson Lumber >>> Mill in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. In 1933 he was a >>> retired milling hand. His ethnic origin was English. William died on >>> 13 March >>> 1933 at the age of 86 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario.^1 >>> <#ENDNOTE_1> He was buried on 15 March 1933 in Presbyterian Cemetery, >>> Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both his parents were born in Ontario. >>> William CARTER and Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR^2 <#ENDNOTE_2> were >>> married on 12 December 1872 in Angus, Essa Township, Simcoe County, >>> Ontario.^3 <#ENDNOTE_3> The Rev. J. W. Totten officiated at the >>> ceremony. >> W. >>> Brocher (?) was the only witness. They lived at 150 Main Street West >>> in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. They were residents of >>> Penetanguishene for 40 years prior to William's death (from 1893). >>> *Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR*, daughter of Thomas TAYLOR and Elizabeth >>> MCGILVRAY, was born about 1855 in Creemore, Ontario. She died on 18 >>> April 1937 at the age of 82 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. >>> Her ethnic origin was Scottish. She was buried in Presbyterian >>> Cemetery, Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both her parents were born in >>> Ontario. >>> >>> William CARTER and Ann Jane TAYLOR had the following children: >>> >>> 2 i. *Franklin (Frank) CARTER* was born about 1876 in Ontario. >>> >>> +3 ii. *Ellen/Ella E. CARTER.* >>> >>> 4 iii. *Jasper CARTER* was born in October 1879 in Sunnidale, Simcoe >>> County, Ontario.^4 <#ENDNOTE_4> In 1900 he was a clerk in >>> Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He lived at the 5th >>> Concession, Park lot 5 in Simcoe County, Ontario in 1900. Jasper died >>> of La grippe on 1 December 1900 at the age of 21 in Penetanguishene, >>> Simcoe County, Ontario. He was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, >>> Penetanguishene, Ontario. >>> >>> +5 iv. *William Thomas CARTER.* >>> >>> 6 v. *Norman CARTER* was born in January 1888 in >>> Ontario.^5 <#ENDNOTE_5> He lived in Sault-Ste-Marie, Algoma District, >>> Ontario in 1911. >>> >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Pam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ***************** >>> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >>> http://tr.im/hBAy >>> >>> Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Attention all humans. We are your photos. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barbdale_1 Surnames: Dixon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2685.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a Breckon Dixon in the 1861 census in Nottawasaga. His parents were John Dixon and Amelia. Her maiden name was Brett. John was born in Yorkshire around 1819. There is also an older John Dixon born in Yorkshire around 1790. In the 1871 census, John and Amelia are listed with children Breckon, age 17, Margaret age 16, Catherine age 14, John age 13, Henry age 11 and Annie E. It looks like the older Dixon's were buried in Lavendar cemetery as well. There is a John Dixon who died in 1865, possibly the one born in 1790? I was unable to find a death record on Ancestry, for Breckon, using any kind of spelling, even just putting in the death date without a name. That doesn't mean it's not there, the transcribers use some very creative spelling sometimes! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Where can I find the 1831 & 1848 censuses for Oro? My gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph Harrington was described in the 1861 West Gwillimbury census as "mullatto", & so were all his children, but he was dead by 1871 so I have no further information. According to the 1861 census, he was born about 1807 in Upper Canada, but that's all I know. His wife was from Quebec. By 1871 only his one son was described on the census as "African"; the rest of his children weren't listed as anything other than white (most listed their origins/birthplaces the same as their spouses'). The same son listed his birthplace as Lloydtown, Ontario on a marriage register. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nieva" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > Just a quick note, my Thompson family was one of the original families > from > Oro > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul and Ruth > Robins > Sent: July-27-09 11:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > ORO, in Spanish, means GOLD . I am told. > > The last, black family, in ORO , was living on the Second Concession, of > ORO, just above what is now a GOLF COURSE, IN THE LATE MONTHS OF 1940. > > I REMEMBER WELL, my Mother driving us past the Family Home, and seeing the > old couple, sitting on the front steps, of the house. No porch. It was my > first exposure to `` people of colour `` . We had just previously moved to > Oro, from Coldwater, Ontario ( in Medonte, about 20 miles, as the crow > flies. ) My Mother, a Public School Teacher, was steeped in History. > > Paul Robins > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of catherine > campbell > Sent: July-26-09 10:18 PM > To: simcoe rootsweb > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > > I was just wondering - if William Carter's parents, William and Jenny, > were > married in Angus in 1872, born in Canada, could THEIR parents have been > part > of the black community in nearby Oro? In 1819 the government sponsored a > black settlement in Oro, along Wilberforce Street, one concession east of > the Penetanguishene road and offered lots to the "Men of Color" who had > served in the War of 1812. The census of 1831 show a black population of > 97 > in 1831 and 64 in 1848, with a peak of 101 in 1860-61, but by 1901 the > numbers were down to about 1831. Many of the black settlers sold their > land > and moved elsewhere. "Some moved into the local towns such as Barrie and > Collingwood; others went to the southern parts of the province or returned > to the United States" Since Angus, where William and Jenny were married > in > 1872, is just a few miles from the (then) Oro, they and their parents > could > well have been among the first black settlers in Oro (the name Oro, by the > way, comes from ! > the Rio del Oro, a river and settlement in the north-west coast of Africa. > It was reportedly given this name, due to the intent to set apart this > township, or a part of it, as a colony for men of colour). Also, the > colony > was beside the Penetanguishene Road, which went directly to > Penetanguishene, > so a logical place to move to. > > > > It might be worth checking out the census for Oro in the 1830s and on for > the names Carter and Taylor to see if this is a possible connection. (I > have > the book "the Story of Oro", since my own ancestors settled in Oro in 1831 > from Ireland.) Apparently the African Episcopal Church, erected in 1849 > and > renovated one hundred years later, "still stands as a memorial to an > episode > in the early settlement and history of Upper Canada". "The Oro Township > community is unique in that it was the only black settlement sponsored by > the government in Ontario." > > > > Catherine > > > > >> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family >> >> All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. >> I have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as >> it contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a >> surprise last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the >> ancestors of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man >> from London, Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he >> produced a copy of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was >> altered to read "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black >> man living on the main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late >> 1800s to 1933) and nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local > historians? >> Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to >> believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was >> wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a >> look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. >> The Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and >> Staynor - sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need >> clarification, please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, > email me off list. >> Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 >> census returns, OVS registrations and local records. >> >> I am sure formatting will make for difficult reading and I apologize >> in advance. >> >> 1. *William CARTER* was born on 8 November 1846 in London, Middlesex >> County, Ontario. In 1901 he was a millwright at the Davidson Lumber >> Mill in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. In 1933 he was a >> retired milling hand. His ethnic origin was English. William died on >> 13 March >> 1933 at the age of 86 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario.^1 >> <#ENDNOTE_1> He was buried on 15 March 1933 in Presbyterian Cemetery, >> Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both his parents were born in Ontario. >> William CARTER and Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR^2 <#ENDNOTE_2> were >> married on 12 December 1872 in Angus, Essa Township, Simcoe County, >> Ontario.^3 <#ENDNOTE_3> The Rev. J. W. Totten officiated at the ceremony. > W. >> Brocher (?) was the only witness. They lived at 150 Main Street West >> in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. They were residents of >> Penetanguishene for 40 years prior to William's death (from 1893). >> *Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR*, daughter of Thomas TAYLOR and Elizabeth >> MCGILVRAY, was born about 1855 in Creemore, Ontario. She died on 18 >> April 1937 at the age of 82 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. >> Her ethnic origin was Scottish. She was buried in Presbyterian >> Cemetery, Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both her parents were born in >> Ontario. >> >> William CARTER and Ann Jane TAYLOR had the following children: >> >> 2 i. *Franklin (Frank) CARTER* was born about 1876 in Ontario. >> >> +3 ii. *Ellen/Ella E. CARTER.* >> >> 4 iii. *Jasper CARTER* was born in October 1879 in Sunnidale, Simcoe >> County, Ontario.^4 <#ENDNOTE_4> In 1900 he was a clerk in >> Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He lived at the 5th >> Concession, Park lot 5 in Simcoe County, Ontario in 1900. Jasper died >> of La grippe on 1 December 1900 at the age of 21 in Penetanguishene, >> Simcoe County, Ontario. He was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, >> Penetanguishene, Ontario. >> >> +5 iv. *William Thomas CARTER.* >> >> 6 v. *Norman CARTER* was born in January 1888 in >> Ontario.^5 <#ENDNOTE_5> He lived in Sault-Ste-Marie, Algoma District, >> Ontario in 1911. >> >> >> Have fun! >> >> Pam >> >> >> >> >> ***************** >> Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: >> http://tr.im/hBAy >> >> Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. 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Just a quick note, my Thompson family was one of the original families from Oro -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul and Ruth Robins Sent: July-27-09 11:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family ORO, in Spanish, means GOLD . I am told. The last, black family, in ORO , was living on the Second Concession, of ORO, just above what is now a GOLF COURSE, IN THE LATE MONTHS OF 1940. I REMEMBER WELL, my Mother driving us past the Family Home, and seeing the old couple, sitting on the front steps, of the house. No porch. It was my first exposure to `` people of colour `` . We had just previously moved to Oro, from Coldwater, Ontario ( in Medonte, about 20 miles, as the crow flies. ) My Mother, a Public School Teacher, was steeped in History. Paul Robins -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of catherine campbell Sent: July-26-09 10:18 PM To: simcoe rootsweb Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family I was just wondering - if William Carter's parents, William and Jenny, were married in Angus in 1872, born in Canada, could THEIR parents have been part of the black community in nearby Oro? In 1819 the government sponsored a black settlement in Oro, along Wilberforce Street, one concession east of the Penetanguishene road and offered lots to the "Men of Color" who had served in the War of 1812. The census of 1831 show a black population of 97 in 1831 and 64 in 1848, with a peak of 101 in 1860-61, but by 1901 the numbers were down to about 1831. Many of the black settlers sold their land and moved elsewhere. "Some moved into the local towns such as Barrie and Collingwood; others went to the southern parts of the province or returned to the United States" Since Angus, where William and Jenny were married in 1872, is just a few miles from the (then) Oro, they and their parents could well have been among the first black settlers in Oro (the name Oro, by the way, comes from ! the Rio del Oro, a river and settlement in the north-west coast of Africa. It was reportedly given this name, due to the intent to set apart this township, or a part of it, as a colony for men of colour). Also, the colony was beside the Penetanguishene Road, which went directly to Penetanguishene, so a logical place to move to. It might be worth checking out the census for Oro in the 1830s and on for the names Carter and Taylor to see if this is a possible connection. (I have the book "the Story of Oro", since my own ancestors settled in Oro in 1831 from Ireland.) Apparently the African Episcopal Church, erected in 1849 and renovated one hundred years later, "still stands as a memorial to an episode in the early settlement and history of Upper Canada". "The Oro Township community is unique in that it was the only black settlement sponsored by the government in Ontario." Catherine > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:24 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] CARTER family > > All Carter researchers - sharpen your pencils and open your databases. > I have a puzzle for you. I am addressing the list with this problem as > it contains an element that gave me and my colleague a bit of a > surprise last week. We were approached for assistance in locating the > ancestors of a visitor who claimed a family member was a Black man > from London, Ontario who had lived in Penetanguishene. As evidence he > produced a copy of the 1901 census that clearly shows the record was > altered to read "B'" and the origin was entered as African. A Black > man living on the main street in Penetanguisehene for 40 years (late > 1800s to 1933) and nobody had ever heard of this? Not even local historians? > Knowing the inaccuracy of census returns, we were not inclined to > believe this one. It is exceedingly difficult to prove the census was > wrong in this case, unless we can locate his ancestors. Please take a > look at the following and perhaps it will twig a memory or an idea. > The Sunnidale in the report is the town near Angus, Creemore and > Staynor - sort of in the middle. If you have questions or need > clarification, please email the list or if the topic gets too boring, email me off list. > Note: all material is sourced. Principal sources are the 1871 to 1911 > census returns, OVS registrations and local records. > > I am sure formatting will make for difficult reading and I apologize > in advance. > > 1. *William CARTER* was born on 8 November 1846 in London, Middlesex > County, Ontario. In 1901 he was a millwright at the Davidson Lumber > Mill in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. In 1933 he was a > retired milling hand. His ethnic origin was English. William died on > 13 March > 1933 at the age of 86 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario.^1 > <#ENDNOTE_1> He was buried on 15 March 1933 in Presbyterian Cemetery, > Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both his parents were born in Ontario. > William CARTER and Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR^2 <#ENDNOTE_2> were > married on 12 December 1872 in Angus, Essa Township, Simcoe County, > Ontario.^3 <#ENDNOTE_3> The Rev. J. W. Totten officiated at the ceremony. W. > Brocher (?) was the only witness. They lived at 150 Main Street West > in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. They were residents of > Penetanguishene for 40 years prior to William's death (from 1893). > *Ann Jane (Jennie) TAYLOR*, daughter of Thomas TAYLOR and Elizabeth > MCGILVRAY, was born about 1855 in Creemore, Ontario. She died on 18 > April 1937 at the age of 82 in Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. > Her ethnic origin was Scottish. She was buried in Presbyterian > Cemetery, Penetanguishene, Ontario. Both her parents were born in Ontario. > > William CARTER and Ann Jane TAYLOR had the following children: > > 2 i. *Franklin (Frank) CARTER* was born about 1876 in Ontario. > > +3 ii. *Ellen/Ella E. CARTER.* > > 4 iii. *Jasper CARTER* was born in October 1879 in Sunnidale, Simcoe > County, Ontario.^4 <#ENDNOTE_4> In 1900 he was a clerk in > Penetanguishene, Simcoe County, Ontario. He lived at the 5th > Concession, Park lot 5 in Simcoe County, Ontario in 1900. Jasper died > of La grippe on 1 December 1900 at the age of 21 in Penetanguishene, > Simcoe County, Ontario. He was buried in Presbyterian Cemetery, > Penetanguishene, Ontario. > > +5 iv. *William Thomas CARTER.* > > 6 v. *Norman CARTER* was born in January 1888 in > Ontario.^5 <#ENDNOTE_5> He lived in Sault-Ste-Marie, Algoma District, > Ontario in 1911. > > > Have fun! > > Pam > > > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: > http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. 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Hi, I am wondering if anyone can give me some tips to using records from Northern Ireland... In researching my Hall lineage to back to Co. Armagh I have found a reference to material (Hall (Armagh and Loughgall) papers, PRONI ref. D/2041) held by the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. Will I require someone in No. Ireland to access those records, or does Ancestry.com have them available for a fee? Thanks for any tips! Rob Jardine