Hello everyone We've had some interesting discussion about the Drouin Collection and the ongoing arbitration with Ancestry. However it's time to move on. The discussion has turned to impassioned and emotional points of view about topics which have nothing to do with genealogy or the Drouin Collection Time to get back to Genealogy in Simcoe County Lorine List Admin -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/LorineMS * Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Pioneer LOUIS GAGNE Status(es) : Immigrant Birth : 1612-09-13 st-martin d'ige, ev. sees, perche (ar. mortagne, orne) First marriage : 1638 France with MARIE MICHEL www.genealogy.umontreal.ca   Their daughter Louise, married Claude Bouchard dit Petit Claude on May 25 1654.  I originally got this marriage about 15 yrs ago from "Les Grand Families" which is no longer online.......   I was going to confirm it with the Drouin, but now the loophole is closed too.....can't go by the backstairs to get to it......   Shar     could you confirm that Louise's parents are Louis Gasnier and Marie ichel  - my husband's 8th grts Cheers Cousin! Doreen ========== > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:41:16 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > That you Georgina, I too have found the Drouin a mine of information. Where else can you find where a cousin married his cousin, had the priest okay it and then have the Bishop overturn it.....after a lot of begging on the couples side, who have children by the way, and the priest, the bishop gives in and the couple remarries.  Interesting items in there.... > > I also start with the marriages and work back, by using every spelling of the last name, first name, combining all forms of spellings and when it comes down to the end, if I know where they are from, I use first names and just look at all the records for that name in that area. Sometimes I have to do both husband and wife...... > > The Ladouceur LaMadeleine took, a couple of hours for each name.....Fun the excitement of the search.  Much like a mystery story. > > By the by, Louise Gagne m to Claude Bouchard was my gr + aunt. > > Sharlene > > > > > > Throgh the Drouin records I have gone back marriage by marriage to my > husband's 7th grt granparents Claude Bouchard and Louise Gagne (Gasnier) > > Georgina Dean > Stratford Ontario > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403 ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may be true; I don't know; but if it is, there are companies that do it much better than Ancestry.com/Rootsweb does....I also use FindMyPast.com, a UK site with censuses & other information, & the indexing is much better. In fact, if I can't find someone on a UK census on Ancestry, I try FindMyPast & invariably there they are. The UK 1911 & 1901 censuses on Public Record Office websites are also much better indexed than Ancestry. The fact there is double indexing of the same records with seemingly no communication between the systems or "indexers" is a bit ridiculous as well. I'm not sure Ancestry even tried to find out if they could have all or some of their records indexed by volunteers...I don't remember seeing/hearing any calls for volunteers. In the past I voluntarily helped to index UK civil registration indexes for FreeBMD, a Rootsweb site. The indexing quality of that site is also much better than Ancestry. It's as if Ancestry was rushing to "beat the competition" & finish indexing at any cost. FindMyPast, on the other hand, will upload a database before it's fully indexed, but warn you it's not yet indexed & list which sections (or counties) are finished, & then send you updates on its progress as well as notify you when indexing is complete. Another site where Canadian censuses can be accessed, for free, with much better indexing, is AutomatedGenealogy.com I have issues with using 3rd world labour for Canadian/North American companies. Of course no one's forcing them to do it, other than poverty, that is. Of course they're more than happy to do it--it's probably more money than they could make in their own country. But that's not the point. We're not paying them fair wages according to North American standards, or let's face it, we wouldn't be using them. And that's exploitation. I just don't believe Ancestry/Rootsweb can't afford to pay Canada's minimum wage for data entry; I don't believe it's a matter of can they afford it; they just don't want to. If it were really about raising the standard of living in 3rd world countries & creating jobs, we'd be paying them minimum wage. It's never about that; it's about cheap labour & more profit for North America. I have the same issues with the current "trend" for Filipino nannies. Of course they're more than happy to work for crappy money in addition to room & board here, since they eventually get Canadian citizenship out of it--but it's effectively holding them hostage. We take advantage of the fact they're desperate enough to do so much for so little, & worse we're doing it in our own country, as opposed to a factory in the 3rd world. If we were really concerned with helping them, we'd be paying them Canadian minimum wage by the hour. But then of course if we were doing that, we may as well be hiring North American nannies (!). Silly us. In my opinion, if you're working for a Canadian company/person, whether in Canada or elsewhere, you should be paid according to Canadian standards. Anything else is exploitation. Good for Drouin for setting standards & for taking on Ancestry over the quality of their indexing. BTW, what UK census year had its index withdrawn? As far as I know, they're all available either on Ancestry or FindMyPast, or both, from 1841 to 1911. I personally don't pay for my access to Ancestry, since I find the fees far too steep, especially considering the quality of the indexing. I use a cousin's user ID/password for free; next year we are considering splitting the cost of a membership, perhaps with other people. For UK records, it's much cheaper to use FindMyPast on a pay-per-use basis. 2009/8/31 Malcolm Moody <[email protected]> > Virtually all the large commercial genealogy data companies have > been > using "off-shore" agencies for indexing for many years now. Even the > British Government sent out one of their census "years" for indexing > in (I believe) India. It was such a disaster they had to withdraw it > shortly after it's initial release. > > You really cannot blame these companies. They are not forcing > anyone > in the, so called, 3rd World to carry out this work. Far from it, > there are locally owned agencies in these countries actively marketing > cut-price transcription, indexing, and data translation services at > rates which are a fraction of what it would cost to do in the (?) 1st > World. From everything I've seen the people doing the work are only > too happy to be employed and they are being at least fairly (if not > well) paid for their efforts - by their local standards. In an ideal > World this would be an perfect match of supply and demand. > Unfortunately this is NOT an ideal World and the lack of an > "appropriate mother tongue" background has turned out to be major > problem in terms of the fidelity of the transcription and indexing work. > > Well, to be more precise it should have turned out to be a major > problem but to (I'm sure) the surprise of the companies who published > these highly inaccurate indexes, they were wildly successful and while > there were many complaints their customers kept on paying the fees to > access them, and it is in it's financial balance sheet that a company > judges it's success and failure. > > In this case (as I understand it) the owners of the Drouin > collection > actually set standards for the transcription and it is the failure to > meet these standards which is at the route of the legal action, again, > not a refusal by the genealogical public to support such a flawed > service. I find it interesting that the only other case I know of > where a flawed transcription was withdrawn was the one published by > the British Government. That is an organization which judged its > success or failure by the complaints of the users and not by the > bottom line of the balance sheet. > > I suggest that those of you who wish to express dissatisfaction with > the way in which some companies provide genealogical services do so by > not supporting them. Otherwise you will continue to receive the > cheapest possible service simply because it makes the genealogical > data service provider the best profit. > > Malcolm > > Archive CD Books Canada Inc. > President: Malcolm Moody > PO Box 11 > Manotick > Ontario, K4M 1A2 > Canada. > (613) 692-2667 > WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca <http://www.archivecdbooks.ca/> > > On 30 Aug, 2009, at 1:30 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:20:16 -0400 > > From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Oh my God...do they do that with all their indexing? It would > > explain a > > lot...that's one of the worst examples of exploitive 3rd world > > labour I've > > ever heard of. Shame on them. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharlene Bell-Haussmann" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > > > > > Ancestry farmed the Drouin out to the Chinese to index......With their > > unique way of talking English, no wonder the index is flawed....... > > > > Shar > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sharlene, the father of Louise Gasnier dit Gagné is my 7th great grandfather, so that makes Louise my 6th great grand aunt. Cheers Cousin! Doreen ========== > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:41:16 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > That you Georgina, I too have found the Drouin a mine of information. Where else can you find where a cousin married his cousin, had the priest okay it and then have the Bishop overturn it.....after a lot of begging on the couples side, who have children by the way, and the priest, the bishop gives in and the couple remarries. Interesting items in there.... > > I also start with the marriages and work back, by using every spelling of the last name, first name, combining all forms of spellings and when it comes down to the end, if I know where they are from, I use first names and just look at all the records for that name in that area. Sometimes I have to do both husband and wife...... > > The Ladouceur LaMadeleine took, a couple of hours for each name.....Fun the excitement of the search. Much like a mystery story. > > By the by, Louise Gagne m to Claude Bouchard was my gr + aunt. > > Sharlene > > > > > > Throgh the Drouin records I have gone back marriage by marriage to my > husband's 7th grt granparents Claude Bouchard and Louise Gagne (Gasnier) > > Georgina Dean > Stratford Ontario > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403

That you Georgina, I too have found the Drouin a mine of information.  Where else can you find where a cousin married his cousin, had the priest okay it and then have the Bishop overturn it.....after a lot of begging on the couples side, who have children by the way, and the priest, the bishop gives in and the couple remarries.  Interesting items in there....   I also start with the marriages and work back, by using every spelling of the last name, first name, combining all forms of spellings and when it comes down to the end, if I know where they are from, I use first names and just look at all the records for that name in that area. Sometimes I have to do both husband and wife......   The Ladouceur LaMadeleine took, a couple of hours for each name.....Fun  the excitement of the search.  Much like a mystery story.   By the by, Louise Gagne m to Claude Bouchard was my gr + aunt.   Sharlene Throgh the Drouin records I have gone back marriage by marriage to my husband's 7th grt granparents Claude Bouchard and Louise Gagne (Gasnier) Georgina Dean Stratford Ontario ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very interesting, saves all that googling.   Thanks Shar http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/StatNomSurnom.asp As an example, enter the name Gasnier and you will see that this spelling was altered to a standard form and all the "dit" names that are associated with it through one means or another. Cheers! Doreen ======== _________________________________________________________________ New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407 ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Virtually all the large commercial genealogy data companies have been using "off-shore" agencies for indexing for many years now. Even the British Government sent out one of their census "years" for indexing in (I believe) India. It was such a disaster they had to withdraw it shortly after it's initial release. You really cannot blame these companies. They are not forcing anyone in the, so called, 3rd World to carry out this work. Far from it, there are locally owned agencies in these countries actively marketing cut-price transcription, indexing, and data translation services at rates which are a fraction of what it would cost to do in the (?) 1st World. From everything I've seen the people doing the work are only too happy to be employed and they are being at least fairly (if not well) paid for their efforts - by their local standards. In an ideal World this would be an perfect match of supply and demand. Unfortunately this is NOT an ideal World and the lack of an "appropriate mother tongue" background has turned out to be major problem in terms of the fidelity of the transcription and indexing work. Well, to be more precise it should have turned out to be a major problem but to (I'm sure) the surprise of the companies who published these highly inaccurate indexes, they were wildly successful and while there were many complaints their customers kept on paying the fees to access them, and it is in it's financial balance sheet that a company judges it's success and failure. In this case (as I understand it) the owners of the Drouin collection actually set standards for the transcription and it is the failure to meet these standards which is at the route of the legal action, again, not a refusal by the genealogical public to support such a flawed service. I find it interesting that the only other case I know of where a flawed transcription was withdrawn was the one published by the British Government. That is an organization which judged its success or failure by the complaints of the users and not by the bottom line of the balance sheet. I suggest that those of you who wish to express dissatisfaction with the way in which some companies provide genealogical services do so by not supporting them. Otherwise you will continue to receive the cheapest possible service simply because it makes the genealogical data service provider the best profit. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca On 30 Aug, 2009, at 1:30 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:20:16 -0400 > From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Oh my God...do they do that with all their indexing? It would > explain a > lot...that's one of the worst examples of exploitive 3rd world > labour I've > ever heard of. Shame on them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharlene Bell-Haussmann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > > Ancestry farmed the Drouin out to the Chinese to index......With their > unique way of talking English, no wonder the index is flawed....... > > Shar

I think we are very fortunate to be able to access the Drouin Records at all. We are getting caught up in a dream of having every record perfectly indexed when we have to take into consideration many factors - Not the least of which is poor document quality and poor writing skills There is not one of us who hasn't had to search in records that were indexed here in Canada and found either the transcription was wrong or a miss-spelling occured on the original entry (one of my ancestors married James Fry, but the document is incorrectly entered as Try0 Our not too distant ancestors who were trying to get the same family information that we are, had to spend hours going page by page on micro film or throgh dusty books We are so blessed as to what we can access for not a lot of money 1881 Ontario census was mostly done by Englis speaking people who wrote French names phonetically We manage to find those people, and haven't complained this much about those records I have found so much though ancestry.ca and I am personally glad they are there Throgh the Drouin records I have gone back marriage by marriage to my husband's 7th grt granparents Claude Bouchard and Louise Gagne (Gasnier) Georgina Dean Stratford Ontario

I hear that thieves go around stealing plaques, street signs, etc. even in grave yards. What a society! It certainly should get written about in the papers and in documents at City Hall and Local Museums, along with photographs. Bug your Municipal Councilors, Local Historians, Museums etc. to see what can be done. I spent hours painting up road signs, even using a ladder to put them above tall arm reach of the local thieves or marading hoodloom teenagers walking the street from the local parks and marinas, to collect road signs. The road worker took them all down on trees he was going to remove, the local marina guy had them in his truck then at his house, I finally got them back, except one, which he put back up at arms reach height and it disappeared. So even wooden signs get taken. I haven't replaced the signs. One effort was enough for me!

I use to stand in the front row hollering over Ancestry charging for their information. Then it was pointed out that FREE Rootsweb boards and mailing lists were all supported by the subscriptions paid. Being as I use both, I keep quiet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems I would have volunteered, too...frankly I think Ancestry's fees are outrageous enough that the least we can expect is half-decent indexing, which is not often the case....

I would have volunteered, too...frankly I think Ancestry's fees are outrageous enough that the least we can expect is half-decent indexing, which is not often the case.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Haggerty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems >I think many of us volunteer to transcribe records for agencies that >provide > free access--I suspect not all that many people would volunteer to > transcribe for ancestry? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Bertram" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > >>I would have volunteered to do it. >> >> Heather > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would have volunteered to do it. Heather -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Haggerty Sent: August 30, 2009 7:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems unfortunately, we get what we pay for--our ancestry fees would be much higher if they paid North Americans to do the indexing!

I think many of us volunteer to transcribe records for agencies that provide free access--I suspect not all that many people would volunteer to transcribe for ancestry? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Bertram" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems >I would have volunteered to do it. > > Heather

I sure hope Ancestry.com meets their end of the bargin. I would not likely renew my subscription if the Druin records were not available. On Aug 30, 2009, Sharlene Bell-Haussmann <[email protected]> wrote: Dang, I didn't realize how addictive the Drouin was until I couldn't access it yesterday.....It is a lifeline to our ancestors. Do they mean the lack of indexing as meaning the different unique ways the Chinease spell the names? Sharlene ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a response to the problem as posted in the Quebec-Research list: "As you might all know, the Institut généalogique Drouin took The Generation Network Inc. into arbitration over the lack of full and proper indexation of the Drouin Collection put on-line by Ancestry. > > On the 12th of August 2009, the juge(sic) name to arbitrate this case sided with Drouin, and declared that Ancestry has failed in its contractual obligation to properly and fully index the database prior to publication and since publication. The decision grants 60 (days) to TGN to remedy the situation. > > Should they fail to do so, the license granted by the Institut Drouin will lapse. > > ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: [1]http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at [2]http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://tr.im/hBAy 2. http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml 3. mailto:[email protected]

unfortunately, we get what we pay for--our ancestry fees would be much higher if they paid North Americans to do the indexing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems Oh my God...do they do that with all their indexing? It would explain a lot...that's one of the worst examples of exploitive 3rd world labour I've ever heard of. Shame on them.

http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/StatNomSurnom.asp As an example, enter the name Gasnier and you will see that this spelling was altered to a standard form and all the "dit" names that are associated with it through one means or another. Cheers! Doreen ======== _________________________________________________________________ New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407

Thank you everyone for your great response to my question. Was able to google it and get some pretty good info besides what you all contributed. Just wish Barrie would get off duffs and post some plaques on behalf of these companies. Makes walking the rail line or would make it far more interesting. Toodles Sandy Today's Topics: > > 1. Cotty's/Lakeview Dairy/Shoe Factory (Kevin & Nancy Caldwell) 6. Re: Cotty's/Lakeview Dairy/Shoe Factory (Ron Wingrove) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:00:33 -0500 > From: "Kevin & Nancy Caldwell" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Cotty's/Lakeview Dairy/Shoe Factory > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The old shoe factory housed commercial businesses later, including a > furniture restoration(1950-1970) and most recent Canadiana Curtains in the > 1980's, but the building was always referred to as the shoe factory. > > I remember as a kid, sitting on the rocks below it, watching the > fireworks, > finding a perfectly round 1" stone, wedged between the rocks. Might have > been used in the factory. > > What totally amazes me still, is that the original water's edge, around > the > bay followed the traintracks, and that most of the parkland along the > waterfront from Heritage park to Centennial Beach was created by trucking > in > fill/rocks, etc. This is what I was told as a kid. > > Can anyone verify this? What a huge undertaking, especially for back then. > > Nancy > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:38:19 -0400 > From: "Ron Wingrove" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Cotty's/Lakeview Dairy/Shoe Factory > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > When my mother left Barrie I purchased several history books of Barrie and > Simcoe Co. for her. "Beautiful Barrie The City and Its People," is a > beautiful pictorial history of Barrie. I purchased it at the Museum. > > "The Underhill Shoe Company was in the process of relocating from Aurora > to > Barrie , bringing with it 75 to 125 jobs, much to the chagrin of > Aurora.(the > year was 1913).... > > "The decade saw the establishment of two durable industrial enterprises in > Barrie: Underhill Shoes and the Fisher Mill. On October 21, 1912, work > began > to transform the Spencer Industrials building on Dunlop Street into a > modern > shoe factory. Underhills Limited purchased the property for $1500 or $150 > a > year for 10 years, interest free. Under the agreement with the town, the > company was expected to employ 75, be manufacturing by February 1, 1913, > and > continue in business in Barrie until November 1, 1921, by which time it > was > to have invested at least $7,000 in the plant. From January 1, 1914, the > firm was to employ at least 75 workers for 300 days of 10 hours each a > year > and pay at least $30, 000 in wages. In july 17, the company closed its > Aurora factory, doubling its staff and payroll in Barrie. Underhills would > manufacture shoes in the same plant in Barrie until the late 1950s. > > On page 195 of the book there is a picture of the factory. > > Ron Wingrove > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin & Nancy > Caldwell > Sent: August-28-09 10:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Cotty's/Lakeview Dairy/Shoe Factory > > The old shoe factory housed commercial businesses later, including a > furniture restoration(1950-1970) and most recent Canadiana Curtains in the > 1980's, but the building was always referred to as the shoe factory. > > I remember as a kid, sitting on the rocks below it, watching the > fireworks, > finding a perfectly round 1" stone, wedged between the rocks. Might have > been used in the factory. > > What totally amazes me still, is that the original water's edge, around > the > bay followed the traintracks, and that most of the parkland along the > waterfront from Heritage park to Centennial Beach was created by trucking > in > > fill/rocks, etc. This is what I was told as a kid. > > Can anyone verify this? What a huge undertaking, especially for back then. > > Nancy

Oh my God...do they do that with all their indexing? It would explain a lot...that's one of the worst examples of exploitive 3rd world labour I've ever heard of. Shame on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharlene Bell-Haussmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems Ancestry farmed the Drouin out to the Chinese to index......With their unique way of talking English, no wonder the index is flawed....... Shar --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Colleen Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: From: Colleen Andrews <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 10:45 AM The Chinese? They probably mean the horrible job Ancestry did of indexing Drouin....Ancestry's indexing has never been great in English, but in French it's even worse. And they don't bother to actually read the entries...most Drouin records have an abbreviated form of the person's name in the margin & the full name in the entry, but Ancestry only indexes the abbreviated form, & frequently gets it wrong. Among other things, I've seen "Marg.," short for Marguerite, indexed as "Mary" over & over. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharlene Bell-Haussmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems Dang, I didn't realize how addictive the Drouin was until I couldn't access it yesterday.....It is a lifeline to our ancestors. Do they mean the lack of indexing as meaning the different unique ways the Chinease spell the names? Sharlene ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a response to the problem as posted in the Quebec-Research list: "As you might all know, the Institut généalogique Drouin took The Generation Network Inc. into arbitration over the lack of full and proper indexation of the Drouin Collection put on-line by Ancestry. > > On the 12th of August 2009, the juge(sic) name to arbitrate this case > sided with Drouin, and declared that Ancestry has failed in its > contractual obligation to properly and fully index the database prior to publication and since publication. The decision grants 60 (days) to TGN to remedy the situation. > > Should they fail to do so, the license granted by the Institut Drouin will > lapse. > > ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Chinese? They probably mean the horrible job Ancestry did of indexing Drouin....Ancestry's indexing has never been great in English, but in French it's even worse. And they don't bother to actually read the entries...most Drouin records have an abbreviated form of the person's name in the margin & the full name in the entry, but Ancestry only indexes the abbreviated form, & frequently gets it wrong. Among other things, I've seen "Marg.," short for Marguerite, indexed as "Mary" over & over. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharlene Bell-Haussmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems Dang, I didn't realize how addictive the Drouin was until I couldn't access it yesterday.....It is a lifeline to our ancestors. Do they mean the lack of indexing as meaning the different unique ways the Chinease spell the names? Sharlene ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a response to the problem as posted in the Quebec-Research list: "As you might all know, the Institut généalogique Drouin took The Generation Network Inc. into arbitration over the lack of full and proper indexation of the Drouin Collection put on-line by Ancestry. > > On the 12th of August 2009, the juge(sic) name to arbitrate this case > sided with Drouin, and declared that Ancestry has failed in its > contractual obligation to properly and fully index the database prior to publication and since publication. The decision grants 60 (days) to TGN to remedy the situation. > > Should they fail to do so, the license granted by the Institut Drouin will > lapse. > > ***************** Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The work was done in China who used the margin scratchings/abbreviations to index the Collection they didn't check the full text of an entry. Then PRDH/Univ Montreal was (supposed to be) doing the proofreading and corrections. I gather from the info we have on the present situation that the project has been going as fast as it should have.... and so we wait and hope for the best. Cheers! Doreen (P.S. - and why use the Chinese? Because unfortunately we have priced ourselves out of such competitions.) ======== > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:38:32 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Drouin Collection & Ancestry problems > > Dang, I didn't realize how addictive the Drouin was until I couldn't access it yesterday.....It is a lifeline to our ancestors. > > Do they mean the lack of indexing as meaning the different unique ways the Chinease spell the names? > > Sharlene > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Here is a response to the problem as posted in the Quebec-Research list: > > > > "As you might all know, the Institut généalogique Drouin took The Generation Network Inc. into arbitration over the lack of full and proper indexation of the Drouin Collection put on-line by Ancestry. > > > > On the 12th of August 2009, the juge(sic) name to arbitrate this case sided with Drouin, and declared that Ancestry has failed in its contractual > obligation to properly and fully index the database prior to publication and since publication. The decision grants 60 (days) to TGN to remedy the situation. > > > > Should they fail to do so, the license granted by the Institut Drouin will lapse. > > > > > > > > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404