This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JenniferAllen40 Surnames: Allen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2690/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know if there is a map of St. James om the Lines Cemetery in Penetanguishene? The cemetery is on 200 Church St. I have been researching the Allen family buried there. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you too, Doreen! I have a problem, I think. Is it true that births records are not available for searches in Canada after 1912? If this is correct, I'll never know whether my cousin Aubrey who died in 1972 and his wife, had any children or not. Is there any way around this problem, if it's true? Thanks again. Marion On 11 Sep 2009, at 13:21, Conlin wrote: > Good Morning: > > Currently there are 3 persons listed with land-line phones and the > Burgin surname living in Orillia, Ontario and many more listed in > other locations. > See: www.canada411.com > > Cheers! > Doreen

Marion - does this strike any chords with you? Obituary for Arlene Louise Ritter RITTER, Arlene Louise - At the North Bay General Hospital on Monday January 29, 2007 at 59 years of age. Dear wife of 36 years to Fred. Loving mother of Carl (Kathy), Tammy Perkin (Steve) and Tina Beaudry (Mike). Sadly missed by grandchildren Elizabeth and Zachary Perkin, Jeremy Harrison and Venessa Beaudry. Survived by her sisters Betty Doughty (Bruce) of North Bay, Corinne Bell (Glen) of Orangeville and Heather Newdick (Dennis deceased) also of Orangeville. Predeceased by her parents Aubry and Margurite Burgin and by her brother Al Burgin (Vivian surviving) of Orillia. Also missed by her father and mother-in-law, Fred and Florence Ritter and by her extended Ritter and Huffman families. Friends may call at the MARTYN FUNERAL HOME (across from city hall) on Friday from 7-9 pm. The funeral service will be held on Saturday at 1 pm in the chapel. Spring interment at the Forest Lawn Cemetery. If desired donations to the Canadian Diabetes Association will be gratefully acknowledged. 10527476 Cheers! Doreen ========== > CC: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Robert Burgin and family > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:51:58 +0100 > To: [email protected] > > Thank you again, Doreen. > > Indeed, thank you everyone for all your help. > > I reckon any rellies I might have in Orillia (if they stayed in the > city) would be about my age, or a bit older, and I'm sixty five. > Aubrey Burgin was born in 1913 and died in 1972, so I'd guess he > would've married in the 1930s, way out of Canadian records access > periods, sadly. Never mind though, I'm delighted to have found my > grandfather's brother at all. When he was missing from the English > 1911 census published two years early this year because of pressure > on our government by family history fanatics, :) I wondered what on > earth had happened to him and his family, and now I know. > > I doubt if the family was posh enough to have put their children's > births in the local newspapers... but it is certainly worth a try. > > All the best, > > Marion nee Burgin in England > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 20:41, Conlin wrote: > > > There are two things you can do about finding those children: 1) > > look up birth announcements in their local newspaper; and 2) go to > > your local LDS Family History Centre as they have the films, > > although nothing is available for births after 1911/12 at this > > time. Each year though Ontario will release another year to LDS. > > > > You might also look for the death announcement in the paper to see > > who survived Aubrey. > > > > I guess you know that Robert J. & Ann Burgin are buried in Lakeview > > Cemetery, Tay Township, Simcoe County. Perhaps you should write to > > them to see if there are other persons buried in the plot. > > > > Good Luck > > > > Doreen _________________________________________________________________ New! Faster Messenger access on the new MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677406

Hi Marion: Here is their marriage from the on-line Free BMD's England index: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%) Burgin Robert Thomas Hunslet 9b 478 Feasby William Hunslet 9b 478 LOWES Ann Hunslet 9b 478 Shorrock Maria Hunslet 9b 478 Hunslet is in the county of West Riding of Yorkshire Here they are on the 1901 UK census: 1901 England Census about Robert S Burgin Name: Robert S Burgin Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Son-in-law Spouse's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 231 Household Members: Name Age James Lowes 63 Agnes Lowes 64 Robert S Burgin 26 Ann Burgin 25 Thomas Burgin 1 Hope this is of help to you. Regards. Lynne. > > I would be glad of any suggestions, please: I've just traced my gt > > uncle Robert Thomas BURGIN, his wife Annie, his children Thomas and > > Muriel and in-laws Joseph and Agnes LOWES to Halifax, where they > > landed in 1904. Then I found the marriage of Muriel in Orillia in > > 1925 and the death of Thomas aged nine in 1909, also in Orillia, but > > none of them appear in any Canadian censuses online. Did families > > move back and forth over the US border? I don't understand where > > they've gone between landing and Muriel's marriage. > > > > A sister of Robert Burgin's, Maud Pease, did emigrate to Seattle in > > 1908 and she appears on the US censuses. > > > > Puzzled and in need of advice. > > > > Marion in England _________________________________________________________________ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404

I should have mentioned that even in the UK, while you can see the BMD birth entries for people up the 1950s in some cases, these are index entries only...you can't see any details. No parents' names, no specific dates, not even a specific location. I'm fairly certain you can't obtain an actual birth certificate for the UK after 1910 either unless you have permission of the person(s) concerned. 2009/9/11 marion <[email protected]> > Thank you too, Doreen! > > I have a problem, I think. Is it true that births records are not > available for searches in Canada after 1912? If this is correct, I'll > never know whether my cousin Aubrey who died in 1972 and his wife, > had any children or not. > > Is there any way around this problem, if it's true? > > Thanks again. > > Marion > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 13:21, Conlin wrote: > > > Good Morning: > > > > Currently there are 3 persons listed with land-line phones and the > > Burgin surname living in Orillia, Ontario and many more listed in > > other locations. > > See: www.canada411.com > > > > Cheers! > > Doreen > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's actually true that you can't search Canada birth records from 1909 or 1910 on, for privacy reasons...anyone born in 1910 is not yet 100 years old & therefore may still be alive. The only way around this is to search the 1911 census for any children born between 1909 & 1911, & then look up obituaries etc. that would mention children. Also death records, which are available up to 1934, name the deceased person's parents in later years, so you might get lucky & find the death record of a child of Aubrey's. You can also search for marriages of people with a father named Aubrey. But to find the birth record of a person born after 1910 in Canada, you need the permission of the person concerned or their next of kin. 2009/9/11 marion <[email protected]> > Thank you too, Doreen! > > I have a problem, I think. Is it true that births records are not > available for searches in Canada after 1912? If this is correct, I'll > never know whether my cousin Aubrey who died in 1972 and his wife, > had any children or not. > > Is there any way around this problem, if it's true? > > Thanks again. > > Marion > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 13:21, Conlin wrote: > > > Good Morning: > > > > Currently there are 3 persons listed with land-line phones and the > > Burgin surname living in Orillia, Ontario and many more listed in > > other locations. > > See: www.canada411.com > > > > Cheers! > > Doreen > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are two things you can do about finding those children: 1) look up birth announcements in their local newspaper; and 2) go to your local LDS Family History Centre as they have the films, although nothing is available for births after 1911/12 at this time. Each year though Ontario will release another year to LDS. You might also look for the death announcement in the paper to see who survived Aubrey. I guess you know that Robert J. & Ann Burgin are buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Tay Township, Simcoe County. Perhaps you should write to them to see if there are other persons buried in the plot. Good Luck Doreen > CC: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Robert Burgin and family > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:52:19 +0100 > To: [email protected] > > Thank you too, Doreen! > > I have a problem, I think. Is it true that births records are not > available for searches in Canada after 1912? If this is correct, I'll > never know whether my cousin Aubrey who died in 1972 and his wife, > had any children or not. > > Is there any way around this problem, if it's true? > > Thanks again. > > Marion > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 13:21, Conlin wrote: > > > Good Morning: > > > > Currently there are 3 persons listed with land-line phones and the > > Burgin surname living in Orillia, Ontario and many more listed in > > other locations. > > See: www.canada411.com > > > > Cheers! > > Doreen _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403

If you know where and when they died I would think there's a good chance you could track down an obituary which should name any children. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marion" <[email protected]> To: "Conlin" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Robert Burgin and family > Thank you too, Doreen! > > I have a problem, I think. Is it true that births records are not > available for searches in Canada after 1912? If this is correct, I'll > never know whether my cousin Aubrey who died in 1972 and his wife, > had any children or not. > > Is there any way around this problem, if it's true? > > Thanks again. > > Marion > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 13:21, Conlin wrote: > >> Good Morning: >> >> Currently there are 3 persons listed with land-line phones and the >> Burgin surname living in Orillia, Ontario and many more listed in >> other locations. >> See: www.canada411.com >> >> Cheers! >> Doreen > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much Pat, Lynne and Heather for finding my rellies in Orillia! I'm now going to try to work out why Gt Aunt Annie Burgin, her father James Lowes and her daughter Muriel were living on a plot number, number 12, in Tay Township while her husband uncle Robert Burgin was in lodgings working in Orillia. :) I now have high hopes that I still have cousins in Ontario, perhaps still in Orillia! All the best, Marion in England

Good Morning: Currently there are 3 persons listed with land-line phones and the Burgin surname living in Orillia, Ontario and many more listed in other locations. See: www.canada411.com Cheers! Doreen ======== > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:33:55 +0100 > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] Robert Burgin and family > > Thank you very much Pat, Lynne and Heather for finding my rellies in > Orillia! > > I'm now going to try to work out why Gt Aunt Annie Burgin, her father > James Lowes and her daughter Muriel were living on a plot number, > number 12, in Tay Township while her husband uncle Robert Burgin was > in lodgings working in Orillia. :) > > I now have high hopes that I still have cousins in Ontario, perhaps > still in Orillia! > > All the best, > > Marion in England > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaBurke64 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/621.4.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Gerry I sent your message to a relative of John George Clarke, you can reach her at: [email protected] She will be able to help you with everything you need. Great to hear from you Lisa Burke Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: HABertram Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2686.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry it took so long. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LindaTemple72 Surnames: Johnston Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2686.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, Heather. That seals it. It's my William, b. 21 June 1903 in Orillia. Many thank again, Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geraldineclarke62 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/621.4.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am trying to find out info on John George Clarke born in Mara Township on July 9, 1904. He married Mary Ellen Rooney who emigrated from Ireland in 1930. His father was John Edward Clarke. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gerry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: HABertram Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2686.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: transcript reads: R25-GN-1 JOHNSTON/ -/ Wm. Thomson Johnston/ 1903 - 1969/ Beloved Husband Of/ Velma. M. Tennant/ 1905 - 1994 Heather in Orillia Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Muriel: Here is Robert on the 1911 census in Orillia. Regards, Lynne. 1911 Census of Canada about Robert Burgan Name: Robert Burgan Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 35 Birth Date: Jan 1876 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Boarder Immigration Year: 1904 Tribal: English Province: Ontario District: Simcoe East District Number: 119 Sub-District: Orillia Sub-District Number: 35 Place of Habitation: Millard St Orillia Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Harriett Cochrane 68 Archer Jackson 23 Charles George 31 James Carrie 60 Robert Burgan 35 Here is the rest of the family on the 1911 Orillia census. Annie is living with her father James Lowes (the name has been mis-transcribed on the index). 1911 Census of Canada about Annie Bergins Name: Annie Bergins [Annie Larder] Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Age: 33 Birth Date: Aug 1876 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Name: James Immigration Year: 1903 Tribal: English Province: Ontario District: Simcoe East District Number: 119 Sub-District: Tay Sub-District Number: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie Bergins 33 James Larder 73 Mariel Bergins 7 Hope this is of some help to you. Regards, Lynne Kemp.>> Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:48:44 +0100 > From: marion <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] census puzzle > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I would be glad of any suggestions, please: I've just traced my gt > uncle Robert Thomas BURGIN, his wife Annie, his children Thomas and > Muriel and in-laws Joseph and Agnes LOWES to Halifax, where they > landed in 1904. Then I found the marriage of Muriel in Orillia in > 1925 and the death of Thomas aged nine in 1909, also in Orillia, but > none of them appear in any Canadian censuses online. Did families > move back and forth over the US border? I don't understand where > they've gone between landing and Muriel's marriage. > > A sister of Robert Burgin's, Maud Pease, did emigrate to Seattle in > 1908 and she appears on the US censuses. > > Puzzled and in need of advice. > > Marion in England _________________________________________________________________ New! Open Messenger faster on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677405

Hi Marion Have you tried the website, www.automatedgenealogy.com , to search for your family? It is a different transcription from the one you will find on Ancestry, and they may have interpreted spellings differently. They also have a different search engine which searches on different principles. The only Canadian census you will find them on is the 1911. Later censuses won't be published for a number of years yet. Families certainly moved across the border, but that may not be the only reason not to find them in the census. /cheers Pat On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:48 PM, marion <[email protected]> wrote: > I would be glad of any suggestions, please: I've just traced my gt > uncle Robert Thomas BURGIN, his wife Annie, his children Thomas and > Muriel and in-laws Joseph and Agnes LOWES to Halifax, where they > landed in 1904. Then I found the marriage of Muriel in Orillia in > 1925 and the death of Thomas aged nine in 1909, also in Orillia, but > none of them appear in any Canadian censuses online. Did families > move back and forth over the US border? I don't understand where > they've gone between landing and Muriel's marriage. > > A sister of Robert Burgin's, Maud Pease, did emigrate to Seattle in > 1908 and she appears on the US censuses. > > Puzzled and in need of advice. > > Marion in England > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, thank you! Heather. I'm so excited! It's taken me about thirty years to find my gt uncle in Canada (thanks to the internet) and then he upped and vanished again; and you've already shown me in this message that he lived a long and happy life in Orillia and Peterborough (which I'm immediately going to find on the net and look at :)). Wonderful news! It now also looks as though gt uncle Robert and Annie also had more children when they'd settled. And Muriel Bartlett is definitely his daughter: I found her husband's family on the Canadian censuses which was another reason why the Burgin name being so totally absent perplexed me. Thank you too for so kindly offering to look for further information in your library. I tried to access ancestry.ca but couldn't; being a member of ancestry.co.uk doesn't give me much Canadian information, though I can easily access American records; unless I am being totally incompetent, which is quite likely. :) In the end, I found Muriel by just putting her full name into google and up she came: 'Muriel Haskell Burgin' led me straight to Orillia when nothing else worked. Once I had the link with Orillia I found them all on two emigrant ships' passenger lists via ancestry.co.uk. With best wishes, Marion On 10 Sep 2009, at 01:01, Heather Bertram wrote: > Hi Marion, its always a thrill to help someone overseas. > > I think I may have hit the jack pot. > > These Burgins are buried at St. Andrew's St. James Cemetery in > Orillia. > > BURGIN A. A33-4-3 > BURGIN Aubrey E. J94-1-1 > BURGIN Georgina J86-9 > BURGIN Marguerite A. (Huffman) J94-1-1 > BURGIN Muriel H. J5-5-2 > BURGIN R. T. A33-4-3 > BURGIN Thomas A33-4-3 > BARTLETT Muriel H. (Burgin) J5-5-2 > > > A33-4-3 > Thomas/ Sonm Of/ R.T. & A. Burgin/ Died Jan. 22, 1909/ Aged 9 > Years/ 10 > Mos./ -/ Pure And Spotless/ In The Saviours Blood > > Unfortunately I don't have the transcriptions for the others. > Fortunately I am going to the library tomorrow night and will get > them. > > Also at Lakeview Cemetery in Midland (about 50 km from Orillia) > > R18P24 > At Rest > James LOWES > 1828 - 1912 > His Wife > Agnes TAYLOR > 1827 - 1909 > Robert J. BURGIN > 1875 - 1948 > Husband Of > Ann LOWES > > > On Agnes' death registration, she died in Midland, the informant is > Robert T. Burgin, living in Peterborough Ontario. > > On James' death registration, he died in Orillia, the informant is > Robert T. Burgin, living in Orillia. > > James & Agnes' death registrations are available on ancestry.ca > > It is possible that they have been mis-indexed. > > > Heather in Orillia. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marion > Sent: September 9, 2009 4:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAN-ONT-SIMCOE] census puzzle > > I would be glad of any suggestions, please: I've just traced my gt > uncle Robert Thomas BURGIN, his wife Annie, his children Thomas and > Muriel and in-laws Joseph and Agnes LOWES to Halifax, where they > landed in 1904. Then I found the marriage of Muriel in Orillia in > 1925 and the death of Thomas aged nine in 1909, also in Orillia, but > none of them appear in any Canadian censuses online. Did families > move back and forth over the US border? I don't understand where > they've gone between landing and Muriel's marriage. > > A sister of Robert Burgin's, Maud Pease, did emigrate to Seattle in > 1908 and she appears on the US censuses. > > Puzzled and in need of advice. > > Marion in England > ***************** > Ten People All Genealogists Should Follow On Twitter: http://tr.im/ > hBAy > > Simcoe Co. GenWeb at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: HABertram Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2689.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was going to suggest you contact the Penetang Museum, but Pam is the guru who knows all at the Museum, so trust what she tells you. I do ;) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PamTessier99 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.canada.ontario.simcoe/2689.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The only people in the town in 1827 were the military personnel. There were also a few traders but very few women. How did you arrive at the 1827 date of birth? Who do you think his parents were? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.