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Does anyone have the transcription of Dundalk Cemetery, Proton Twp handy? Could I get the transcription for Ruth Priddle Tucker? Thanks Sue Visser

A big thank you to the listers who answered my inquiry regarding gg/grandparents. It is greatly appreciated. Elizabeth's surname has been my brick wall for 5 years now. It had been suggested that it was Dow, however, I tend to disagree. Dow is the middle name of 6 generations of my Hallock lineage from Lorenzo Dow, son of Rev. William A. Hallock and Catherine DeGroat, down through my g/grandfather, grandfather, father, brother and his son. I think it began with the Rev. Dow who so many children were named after. Again thank you and next time (after reading my posting) I had better check my spelling or turn a stronger light on. Not much of a qualification for a secretary. Bev (Hallock) Fiedler _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Beverly: The HALLOCK family appears in the research as a result of two marriages. Louisa HALLOCK (1828 - 1854) daughter of William B. HALLOCK and Annie STEPHENSON married Wilson MALLORY. Wilson was the son of Price MALLORY and Martha HUTCINSON. Price along with David SEAMAN were early settlers in St. Vincent (1835). William Price MALLORY who was the son of Wilson MALLORY married his cousin, Susan Jackson HALLOCK (1848 - 1905). She was the daughter of James B. HALLOCK and Ann MARKLE. Peter Weaver pweaver@sympatico.ca -----Original Message----- From: Byron Fiedler [mailto:byandbe@msn.com] Sent: March 23, 2006 11:34 AM To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Grey Co.] Early Travel to St.Vincent My gg/grandfather, Benjamin Hallock and his brother were early settlers of the St. Vincent area. Meqford to be exact. I am wondering if any Hallocks are mentioned. My rick wall is that I cannot find out my gg/grandmother's maiden name. Her name was El;izabeth. Don't know if they were married in Elizabethtown where they embarked from or in Meaford. Marriage took place in either 1839 or 40. Would appreciate any information or if a copy of this book is available. Tujank you most kindly. Beverly (Hallock) Fiedler MI _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

My gg/grandfather, Benjamin Hallock and his brother were early settlers of the St. Vincent area. Meqford to be exact. I am wondering if any Hallocks are mentioned. My rick wall is that I cannot find out my gg/grandmother's maiden name. Her name was El;izabeth. Don't know if they were married in Elizabethtown where they embarked from or in Meaford. Marriage took place in either 1839 or 40. Would appreciate any information or if a copy of this book is available. Tujank you most kindly. Beverly (Hallock) Fiedler MI _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Marriages Grey County 1880 003144-80(Grey Co) Malcolm CAMERON, 32, farmer, Scotland, Artemesia, s/o Alexander and Maggie CAMERON, married Mary Ann McMILLAN, 22, Canada, Artemesia, d/o John McMILLAN and Ann CAMERON, witn; Donald McARTHUR and James McARTHUR both of Artemesia, 15 June 1880 at Artemesia. Note change in numbers 003296-80(Grey Co) John JOHNSTON, 35, miller, Canada, Wandemar?, s/o John and Christina JOHNSTON, married Lavina FERRSON, 29, Canada, Oak Park, d/o John and E. FERRSON, witn; J. WILKINSON and C.F. GOODEY? both of Allan Park, 18 December 1879 at Oak Park. 003297-80(Grey Co) James CURTIS, 26, cooper, Holland Twp., Chatsworth, s/o George CURTIS and Ann CLARKE?, married Isabella Ann Jackson, 25, Tecumsah ?, Williamsford, d/o John JACKSON and Marg GREENAWAY, witn; Hugh McKAY and Mary Ann Morrow both of Luchan?, 24 June 1879 at Durham. 003298-80(Grey Co) George MATTHEWS, 24, farmer, Ontario, Glenelg, s/o John and Eliz. MATTHEWS, married Isabella ELLIOTT, 24, Ontario, Durham, d/o John and Sarah ELLIOTT, witn; Mary J. GODFREY of Luchan? and William MATTHEWS of Glenelg, 25 December 1879 at Durham. 003299-80(Grey Co) John William KARL, 33, stone cutter, England, Holland Twp., s/o John Willm. KARL and Bessie JOHNSTON, married Anne CROWTHER, 34, widow, England, Holland twp., d/o John CROWTHER and Ruth HOUSTWIT??, witn; James SHEERS? and Ruth CROWTHER both of Holland, 25 December 1879 at Durham. 003300-80(Grey Co) George KRAUSS, 23, carpenter, Canada, Durham, s/o George and Catherine KRAUSS, married Catherine DAVIS, 25, Canada, Glenelg, d/o David and Ellen DAVIS, witn; Richard KRAUSS and William DAVIS both of Durham, 19 January 1880 at Glenelg. 003301-80(Grey Co) Alfred W. H. HALKABY, 30, farrier, Canada, Bruce, s/o Henry and Eliza HALKABY, married Cathrine (sic) COOK, 23, Canada, Glenelg, d/o Smith and Eliza COOK, witn; John COOK of Glenelg, 31 December 1879 at Durham. 003302-80(Grey Co) Arch. Sinclair HUNTER, 29, farmer, Bentinck, Durham, s/o Wm. HUNTER and Mary SINCLAIR, married Elizabeth Agnes OLIVER, 26, Waterloo, Durham, d/o Robert OLIVER and Mary SAUDER, witn; Jas. P. HUNTER and Artina GUSSIE?? both of Durham, 6 December 1880 at Durham. 003303-80(Grey Co) John GORDON, 27, farmer, Ireland, Normanby, s/o William GORDON and Mary McGOWAN, married Julia Anne SAMBERT?, (LAMBERT?) , blank, Ramham?, Egremont, d/o John SAMBERT? (LAMBERT?) and Mary Ann McDONALD, witn; James SHEARER of Egremont and Mary Ann GORDON of Nor???, 6 February 1880 at Durham. 003304-80(Grey Co) Irving ANDERSON, 30, farmer, Scotland, Glenelg, s/o Thos. ANDERSON and Devina? HARE?, married Annie Fraser McCORMACk, 24, Glenelg, Glenelg, d/o Angus McCORMACK and Catherine BLACK, witn; Don. McCORMACK and Geo. McRAE, both of Glenelg, 19 March 1880 at Durham.

Hi Beverly, Here is the info I was able to find for your gg-grandparents marriage: Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record Name: Benjamin Leroy Hallock Spouse Name: Elizabeth Neal Marriage Date: 9 Jan 1893 Marriage Place: Meaford Registration Number: 004302 Archives of Ontario Microfilm: 78 I was also able to find the birth registration for one of their children (Registration # 010883): Burnard Cleveland Hallock, born April 7, 1893 in Meaford ON, Grey County. It lists Benjamin's occupation as a Harnessmaker. Regards, Kim --- Byron Fiedler <byandbe@msn.com> wrote: > My gg/grandfather, Benjamin Hallock and his brother > were early settlers of > the St. Vincent area. Meqford to be exact. I am > wondering if any Hallocks > are mentioned. My rick wall is that I cannot find > out my gg/grandmother's > maiden name. Her name was El;izabeth. Don't know > if they were married in > Elizabethtown where they embarked from or in > Meaford. Marriage took place > in either 1839 or 40. Would appreciate any > information or if a copy of this > book is available. Tujank you most kindly. Beverly > (Hallock) Fiedler MI > >

Hi Bonnie, I just did a computer search for the name "Vail" in the CD of "A history of the County of Grey" and came up with 9 "hits." From a very brief review several appear to be passages directly about John. The other's. I'm guessing, are about descendants. Amongst these latter are the lists identifying the civic locations of the plots owned by the Vails. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. Attn: Malcolm Moody - President P.O. Box 11, Manotick, Ontario, K4M 1A2, Canada. phone: (613) 692-2667 e-mail: malcolm@archivecdbooks.ca Canadian web site: http://www.archivecdbooks.ca > > From: "Dale and Ann Ward" <da.ward@sympatico.ca> > Date: 21 March 2006 10:09:19 GMT-05:00 > To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Early travel to St. Vincent / Meaford > > > Hello Bonnie, > Have you read "A History of the County of Grey" by E. L. Marsh et al ? > On pg. 54, it mentions that John A. Vail arrived by a little boat. > Apparently the cove where he settled still bore his name up to 1999 > and may yet but 1999 was the when the 2nd edition of the book was > printed. > Ann Ward > da.ward@sympatico.ca > Brampton, Ontario > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Anderson" <bonma@rogers.com> > To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:15 PM > Subject: Early travel to St. Vincent / Meaford > > >> Re: news item of about 1926 from Shelley in BC >> >> About Laurence Bowes - "Born in Ireland, he came to Canada at the age >> of 8 with his parents and made the trip to Meaford with oxen." >> >> If Lawrence was 84 in 1926, that means he arrived about 1840. An >> early 1841 Ontario map show two small settlements near Meaford, while >> the majority of settlement was shown farther south along the Great >> Lakes. My great great grandfather came from Scotland to St. Vincent >> Township about 1832. I often wondered what lured him there and how >> he got there. I have discussed it with other genealogists and have >> developed a few theories.

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Bonnie: One interesting settlement was the one initiated by Price Mallory around 1835. There have been several accounts of his adventures (misadventures). I have copies of articles published recently plus there were some details in the booklet published by my late father in 1984 - Perpetual Pioneers - The Migrations of Caleb Seaman's Descendants in the 19th Century. If you are interested in the Mallory or Seaman families, I would be pleased to forward additional information. Peter Weaver pweaver@sympatico.ca -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Anderson [mailto:bonma@rogers.com] Sent: March 20, 2006 8:15 PM To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Grey Co.] Early travel to St. Vincent / Meaford Re: news item of about 1926 from Shelley in BC About Laurence Bowes - "Born in Ireland, he came to Canada at the age of 8 with his parents and made the trip to Meaford with oxen." If Lawrence was 84 in 1926, that means he arrived about 1840. An early 1841 Ontario map show two small settlements near Meaford, while the majority of settlement was shown farther south along the Great Lakes. My great great grandfather came from Scotland to St. Vincent Township about 1832. I often wondered what lured him there and how he got there. I have discussed it with other genealogists and have developed a few theories. 1. They came by boat via the great lakes and Lake St. Clair. 2. They travelled along Yonge St., the road built in 1796 under the orders of Lord Simcoe for the transport of troops to Lake Simcoe. Thus, it would be possible to travel along Yonge to Lake Simcoe and then by water to Meaford / St. Vincent Township in 1832. I know John Vail arrived by boat and settled there in 1824. I have read the history of Yonge street which mentions the lure of furs, but there must have been other reasons for settlers to travel so far to such an undeveloped area. He married a Scottish lady there in 1838 and then ended up in Toronto by 1840 where his first daughter was born. He was from urban Scotland. I am interested in hearing from someone who knows the history of settlement in the area to tell me what attracted people there and what route would have been used in 1832. Bonnie (Acheson) Anderson Kitchener, Ontario bonma@rogers.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

The web site for the Edith Marsh book "History of the County of Grey" should be www.archivecdbooks.ca My apologies. Jean

Researching Alexander McKinzie born in Ontario in 1828, perhaps in Grey or Bruce County, Ontario, Canada. Who were the ancestors and descendants? He married Mary ? born about 1832. Are these the Children: Mary, Jennett, Cathern, Grace, Alexander, Robert, Elizabeth, and William? Who did the Children marry?

The Edith Marsh book "History of the County of Grey" is available on CD from web site www.archivedbooks.ca. Jean

Hello Jo-Anne and listers, You asked for an ISBN for the above named book. Unfortunately it doesn't have one. I see that globalgenealogy.com still has the book listed for sale in their catalogue. I think I may have purchased my copy at the Gift Shop when I visited the Archives at Grey Roots near Owen Sound last year (April / May 2005). They had several township books for Grey County there at that time. Anyone with roots in Grey needs to have a trip to Grey Roots. It's worth the trip ! Ann Ward da.ward@sympatico.ca Brampton, Ontario

Hi: The National Library of Canada has the book, no ISBN, but it does have one copy, copy 3, that it will lend on ILL to your local library. Take this info below to order: AMICUS No. 1585007 Monograph NLC COPIES: NL Stacks - F5498 G84 M34 - NL copy: Fragile, pages detached. - NO ILL Preserv - on site - B-30245 - Copy 2 - NO ILL NL Stacks - F5498 G84 M34 - Copy 3 NAME(S):*Marsh, E. L. (Edith Louise), d. 1960 TITLE(S): A history of the County of Grey / by E. L. Marsh in cooperation with the official Committee PUBLISHER: Owen Sound : Fleming Pub. Co., 1931. DESCRIPTION: 487 p., [18] leaves of plates : ill. ; 22 cm. SUBJECTS: Grey (Ont. : County)--History Grey (Ont. : County)--Biography If you want to look for more books on Grey County History which may be available for ILL from the National Library of Canada, go to this page and type in History of the County of Grey, leave the search dropdown box as keyword, and tons of books, etc, come up: http://search-recherche.collectionscanada.ca/amicus/search.jsp?Language=eng Marg in Sunny Alberta Dale and Ann Ward wrote: >Hello Jo-Anne and listers, >You asked for an ISBN for the above named book. Unfortunately it doesn't have one. I see that globalgenealogy.com still has the book listed for sale in their catalogue. I think I may have purchased my copy at the Gift Shop when I visited the Archives at Grey Roots near Owen Sound last year (April / May 2005). They had several township books for Grey County there at that time. Anyone with roots in Grey needs to have a trip to Grey Roots. It's worth the trip ! >Ann Ward >da.ward@sympatico.ca >Brampton, Ontario > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Bonnie; My site has an 1865 directory of Grey Co. that includes an early history and info. on early roads. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/greypref.htm and read through it. See also early immigrant info. in books from 1822 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/emig1822.htm and 1833 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/emigrant.htm which could have helped encourage their immigration to Ontario. Bill. >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Early travel to St. Vincent / Meaford > From: > "Bonnie Anderson" <bonma@rogers.com> > Date: > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:15:04 -0500 > To: > CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com > > > Re: news item of about 1926 from Shelley in BC > > About Laurence Bowes - "Born in Ireland, he came to Canada at the age > of 8 with his parents and made the trip to Meaford with oxen." > > If Lawrence was 84 in 1926, that means he arrived about 1840. An > early 1841 Ontario map show two small settlements near Meaford, while > the majority of settlement was shown farther south along the Great > Lakes. My great great grandfather came from Scotland to St. Vincent > Township about 1832. I often wondered what lured him there and how he > got there. I have discussed it with other genealogists and have > developed a few theories. > > 1. They came by boat via the great lakes and Lake St. Clair. > 2. They travelled along Yonge St., the road built in 1796 under the > orders of Lord Simcoe for the transport of troops to Lake Simcoe. > Thus, it would be possible to travel along Yonge to Lake Simcoe and > then by water to Meaford / St. Vincent Township in 1832. I know John > Vail arrived by boat and settled there in 1824. > > I have read the history of Yonge street which mentions the lure of > furs, but there must have been other reasons for settlers to travel so > far to such an undeveloped area. He married a Scottish lady there in > 1838 and then ended up in Toronto by 1840 where his first daughter was > born. He was from urban Scotland. > > I am interested in hearing from someone who knows the history of > settlement in the area to tell me what attracted people there and what > route would have been used in 1832. > > Bonnie (Acheson) Anderson > Kitchener, Ontario > bonma@rogers.com > ______________________________ Regards, Bill Martin, Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. email bmartin@tbaytel.net http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/

Listers, At the Ingeneas web site there are a very limited number of documents listed from the Canadian Archives, some passenger list, but the thing I valued the most were handwritten records from teamsters who transported immigrant families from point "A" to point "B" in Ontario. The name of the head of family, number of adults in the party, children under 14, children under 4, weight of baggage, miles transported, amount teamster charged the immigration agent. The information is in the free section of Ingeneas and gives the Numbers needed to obtain the documents from the Canadian Archives at a minimal charge. I was able to find my gg grandfather's and his brother in-law from 1846 as they traveled to Bentinck Twp. in Grey. Also other relatives as they traveled to other parts of Ontario. Simply put Ingeneas into Google and go to the free section.

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Hello Bonnie, Have you read "A History of the County of Grey" by E. L. Marsh et al ? On pg. 54, it mentions that John A. Vail arrived by a little boat. Apparently the cove where he settled still bore his name up to 1999 and may yet but 1999 was the when the 2nd edition of the book was printed. Ann Ward da.ward@sympatico.ca Brampton, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Anderson" <bonma@rogers.com> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Early travel to St. Vincent / Meaford > Re: news item of about 1926 from Shelley in BC > > About Laurence Bowes - "Born in Ireland, he came to Canada at the age of 8 > with his parents and made the trip to Meaford with oxen." > > If Lawrence was 84 in 1926, that means he arrived about 1840. An early > 1841 Ontario map show two small settlements near Meaford, while the > majority of settlement was shown farther south along the Great Lakes. My > great great grandfather came from Scotland to St. Vincent Township about > 1832. I often wondered what lured him there and how he got there. I have > discussed it with other genealogists and have developed a few theories. > > 1. They came by boat via the great lakes and Lake St. Clair. > 2. They travelled along Yonge St., the road built in 1796 under the > orders of Lord Simcoe for the transport of troops to Lake Simcoe. Thus, > it would be possible to travel along Yonge to Lake Simcoe and then by > water to Meaford / St. Vincent Township in 1832. I know John Vail arrived > by boat and settled there in 1824. > > I have read the history of Yonge street which mentions the lure of furs, > but there must have been other reasons for settlers to travel so far to > such an undeveloped area. He married a Scottish lady there in 1838 and > then ended up in Toronto by 1840 where his first daughter was born. He > was from urban Scotland. > > I am interested in hearing from someone who knows the history of > settlement in the area to tell me what attracted people there and what > route would have been used in 1832. > > Bonnie (Acheson) Anderson > Kitchener, Ontario > bonma@rogers.com > ______________________________

For those interested: According to Brenda - There is a book " 'the path we came by ' - there are a few volumes. I don't remember who wrote the books but they are an excellent read. It tells how many families traveled to Grey County and all the joys and hardships they had." I checked AMICUS and foud it at Wellington County Public Library, but it is not available for interlibrary loan. The details follow: Stevens, Robert A, The path we came by / by Robert A. Stevens, Great Britain : Stellar Press Hatfield Herts, 251 p. Bonnie