Hi All I was just wondering if someone could help me out a bit with the geographical, history of Owen Sound. I have information here that tells me that my Great Grandparents lived at the corner of River, and Peel in 1905 when their second child was born. I have been looking at my Owen Sound map of today, along with a copy of the Owen Sound Street Directory prior to 1909 trying to figure out where River & Peel would meet, but it does not make sense to me. According to my copy of the Street Directory River St, was at 1st Avenue East, south of 10th street, and Peel Street was at 11th Street East, Looking at the map of today I don't see how this is possible unless I am looking at the map upside down, or if the Street Directory is not right. Is 11th Street not North of 10th street? If your standing in the middle of 10th street looking toward the Harbor is that not North? Does anyone know where I can find an Old Owen Sound map that would have the old street names on it, before they went to the numbering system. Thanks Cindy(Confused in Saskatoon)

mshoulak@telus.net Anyone wishing to e-mail Mary Lou about the Flemings, this is her address. Please go directly to her and by pass me. Jopie Loughead -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 6/7/2006

Found in St Andrews Church, Session Book, Priceville, Ontario for 1932. Burials by Rev. W. J. McIvor Mrs John McFADYEN d Aug 11, 1932, age 68 yrs, buried Aug 19 John McLEAN d Sept 25, 1932, aged 74 yrs; buried Sept 26 John SMELLIE died Nov 17th, 1932, still born; buried Nov 19th Mrs. E. MacDONALD d Dec 9th, 1932, old age; buried Dec 11th Cheerio Sue Visser Ontario, Canada

Found in St Andrews Church Session Book, Priceville, Ontario for 1933. Burials by Rev. W. J. McIvor Mrs. A. MURCHISON died Feb 14th, 1933, 86 yrs; buried Feb 15th Mrs. Flora MacDONALD d Feb 18th, 1933, 92 yrs; buried Feb 20th Baby McLAUCHLIN d May 5th 1933, a few hours; buried May 6th Russell A. McARTHUR died May 6th 1933, 4 yrs; buried May 8th Miss Kate McPHAIL died May 10th, 1933, 75 yrs; buried May 11th Mrs. Jas. KINSMAN died June 11, 1933, 92 yrs; buried June 13th Cheerio Sue Visser Ontario, Canada

Found in the Session Book of St Andrew's Church, Priceville: Matilda MUIR dau of Peter MUIR and Mary STEWART his wife. Died March 20th 1879, was born Feb 19th (year missing) aged eight years, one month, in Artemesia Dugald CAMERON son of James CAMERON and his wife died May 21st, 1879 aged 20 years 4 mos. Margaret McLACHLAN wife of Robert McDonald, Glenelg, Durham Road South, died on the 27th day of May 1879, aged 53? 63? years Jessie Christina ROSS dau of Robert CHAPMAN died May 3oth 1879 was born August 5, 1878 Cheerio Sue Visser Ontario, Canada

Hi I was wondering if someone on the list has access to the cemetery transcripts for the following, and would be willing to do a lookup for me. St. John's Evangelical Lutheran in Normanby Alexander, and Elizabeth Arnold St.Peter's Lutheran in Neustadt Valentine, and Catherina Plantz I would like to get the dates of death, and obituaries if possible. Thanks Cindy Saskatchewan

Good Morning All I have a question since you are familular with the area and I am from out of province. I am looking for burial info, death records, imigration records or anything someone may know of the following two people (or their parents): John Mason born between 1825-1828 in England son of William and Mary Mason died November 3, 1875 in Markdale Susan Tribble born aprox 1834 in England daughter of Richard Tribble and Susannah Wright died May 30, 1930 in Markdale They were married February 14, 1865 in Peel as residents of Chinguacousy. Neither John nor Susan are burried in the Markdale Cemetery. John was most likely a Free Mason. Is there a special Free Mason burial location? Could they have been cremated? Is there a way that I could find out about cremations in the area? A few of us have been searching Grey and Dufferin areas and have not been able to come up with anything further on these two elusive people. I look forward to your suggestions. Sue

Hi List, What a great help you have all been. I have passed on the messages and am waiting for a reply and pictures she was going to send. Jopie Loughead -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: 6/6/2006

Hi Jopie, I took a few minutes out to do a couple of searches in our CD copy of "A History of the County of Grey", our catalogue number CA0130. I found nothing under the spelling "Flemming" or for a place/house called Forest Lawn. Searching for "Fleming" however was a very different story! As I'm sure you are aware the Fleming name figures large in the History of Grey since it's earliest settlement. So much so I was a little swamped and couldn't spend the hours it would need to read and fully understand all implications of the "hits" the search generated. There were a couple which might be of specific help though: One was in the Appendix which contained a reprint of the Directory of the County for 1865 and which lists James Fleming as residing on Concession 6, Lot 9. This same directory also has an entry for William Fleming living in the village of Kilsyth which seems to be a bit of a suspicious coincidence since there were only 8 name entries for the whole village! The other was a listing of a James Fleming signing up in Owens Sound to "do his part" in the Great War (248th Battalion) which wouldn't have attracted my attention particularly except that the previous line was for a William Fleming signing up in Kilsyth! As this would be 1914 or so this is probably the next generation of Flemings who were signing up, so the names may, or may not, be meaningful. I'd say your lady might well consider that an extra "m" has been added to the family name at some time and should see if she can find enough factual matches between her Flemmings and the famous Grey Flemings to give her confidence in claiming them as her own. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. Attn: Malcolm Moody - President P.O. Box 11, Manotick, Ontario, K4M 1A2, Canada. phone: (613) 692-2667 e-mail: malcolm@archivecdbooks.ca Canadian web site: http://www.archivecdbooks.ca > From: "Jopie Loughead" <jopiel@sympatico.ca> > Date: 5 June 2006 10:42:28 GMT-04:00 > To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Flemming House > > > Hi List, > I know we are searching in Derby Township and I hope someone in the > area can help. The lady is scanning some pictures and will post them > so someone may regonize the house. > Jopie > > Hello, I'm hoping you can help me! > I have been searching for sometime for what must be a historical > place - if it still exists. But I have had no luck finding any > information at all about the residence, or the town, all that I've > found so far is that it was/is located in Grey County. I am mostly > curious to know if the following residence still exists. > I have many of my great grandfather's photos of his house from > 1890, on the back they all say: > Residence of James Flemming 1890 > Forest Lawn > Kilsyth, Ontario > > I have been searching for a while and literally can not find ANY > information on this home (which was a large estate with beautiful > lawns), nor this town. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm sure this photo > collection would be of great interest to some heritage society or the > Flemming family. > > Thank you! > Mari-Lou Shoulak > New Westminster, BC >

Hi Jopie, Sorry I couldn't send this directly to Mari-Lou as her email address was deleted. There was a James Flemming/Fleming living in Derby Township on Concession 6 Lot 9 as well as other Flemmings living on the same Concession. I believe James Flemming had a twin name John both born 1830. You might want to try the museum to see if they have anything on the Flemming Estate. Has Mari-Lou try searching land records or perhaps searching for a will? Hope this helps Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jopie Loughead" <jopiel@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Flemming House > Hi List, > I know we are searching in Derby Township and I hope someone in the area > can help. The lady is scanning some pictures and will post them so > someone may regonize the house. > Jopie > > Hello, I'm hoping you can help me! > I have been searching for sometime for what must be a historical > place - if it still exists. But I have had no luck finding any > information at all about the residence, or the town, all that I've found > so far is that it was/is located in Grey County. I am mostly curious to > know if the following residence still exists. > I have many of my great grandfather's photos of his house from 1890, on > the back they all say: > Residence of James Flemming 1890 > Forest Lawn > Kilsyth, Ontario > > I have been searching for a while and literally can not find ANY > information on this home (which was a large estate with beautiful lawns), > nor this town. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm sure this photo collection > would be of great interest to some heritage society or the Flemming > family. > > Thank you! > Mari-Lou Shoulak > New Westminster, BC > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi List, I know we are searching in Derby Township and I hope someone in the area can help. The lady is scanning some pictures and will post them so someone may regonize the house. Jopie Hello, I'm hoping you can help me! I have been searching for sometime for what must be a historical place - if it still exists. But I have had no luck finding any information at all about the residence, or the town, all that I've found so far is that it was/is located in Grey County. I am mostly curious to know if the following residence still exists. I have many of my great grandfather's photos of his house from 1890, on the back they all say: Residence of James Flemming 1890 Forest Lawn Kilsyth, Ontario I have been searching for a while and literally can not find ANY information on this home (which was a large estate with beautiful lawns), nor this town. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm sure this photo collection would be of great interest to some heritage society or the Flemming family. Thank you! Mari-Lou Shoulak New Westminster, BC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006

Hi Jopie: I don't know if this is the same Sarah Ann or not but will send anyway: Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record Name: Sarah A Proctor, spinster, residing in Kincardine, Baptist Birth Place: Mariposa Age: 23 Father Name: John Proctor Mother Name: Jane Proctor - unfortunately no maiden surname given on the marr reg Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Spouse Name: Chas A More, carpenter, bachelor, Methodist, residing in Wentworth County Spouse's Age: 22 Spouse Birth Place: Wentworth Co Spouse Father Name: John More Spouse Mother Name : Alice More Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1878 Marriage Place: Kincardine Twp, Bruce Marriage County: Bruce Reg. #001613 Here is the above couple on the 1881 census, with Janet Proctor living with them: Charles A. MOORE M Male Scottish 24 O <Ontario> Carpenter C. Methodist Sarah MOORE M Female Scottish 27 O <Ontario> Seamstress C. Methodist Jenett PROCTOR Female Scottish 22 USA Factory Hand C. Methodist Source Information: Census Place Ward 3, Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375892 NA Film Number C-13256 District 149 Sub-district C Division 1 Page Number 9 Household Number 41 The age for Janet/Jenett Proctor is correct and "New Haven" in the baptism below may well be New Haven, Connecticut, in which case the people looking for this family may have to start searching there. Perhaps they should also look at the 1861 Bentinck census to see if they can find the family and if the mother is still alive at that point. I imagine the date of that census was before the marriage of John Proctor and Margaret Sutherland October 19, 1861. On the 1881 census, Sarah Ann, or whoever gave the info to the enumerator, said Sarah Ann was born in Ontario and she is 5 years older than Janet so perhaps they were back and forth to the US, or perhaps Sarah was also born in the US and the 1881 census info is incorrect. Vol Pg# Dist./Co. Area Given-name Surname Father Mother Residence Birthplace Birthdate Bapt-date Bapt-place Minister 4 73 Grey Bentinck Twp. Flora Janet Proctor John Janet Hanover New Haven 1859-02-04 1877-04-08 Hanover Greene, Rev. J. I found birth reg's for children of Flora Janet: Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record County of Lincoln, Division of North Grimsby Name: Janet Cameron Heard Date of Birth: 21 Apr 1886 Gender: Female Birth County: Lincoln Father's Name: Nathaniel Heard, laborer, North Grimsby Mother's Name: Flora Janet Proctor Roll Number: MS929_77 Reg. #020505 Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record County of ?? (I assume Wentworth as that is where the dr. was from) Name: John Proctor Hurd Date of Birth: 25 Aug 1888 Gender: Male Birth County: Unknown Father's Name: Nathaniel Hurd, laborer Mother's Name: Flora Janet Proctor Informant: Dr. A. C. Jones, Stony Creek - which is in Saltfleet Twp., Wentworth County so I assume that is where this birth registration was made Roll Number: MS929_91 Reg. #040104 Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record County of Norfolk, Division of Charlotteville Name: Clara Edna Heard Date of Birth: 13 Jun 1891 Gender: Female Birth County: Norfolk Father's Name: Nathaniel Heard, laborer Mother's Name: Flora Janet Proctor Roll Number: MS929_106 Reg. #026853 Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record County of Wentworth, Division of Saltfleet Name: Charles Nathaniel Hurd Date of Birth: 13 Sep 1893 Gender: Male Birth County: Wentworth Father's Name: Hurd Nathaniel, laborer Mother's Name: Flora Janet Proctor Roll Number: MS929_119 Reg. #037906 It appears Nathaniel was married previously to Flora and had: Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record County of Wentworth, Division of Binbrook Name: Mary Ann Heard Date of Birth: 28 Feb 1877 Gender: Female Birth County: Wentworth Father's Name: Nathaniel Heard, laborer Mother's Name: Mary Eliza Moore Roll Number: MS929_31 Reg. #035133 Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record County of Wentworth, Division of Binbrook Name: William James Heard Date of Birth: 6 Jul 1879 Gender: Male Birth County: Wentworth Father's Name: Nathaniel Heard, laborer Mother's Name: Mary Eliza Moore Roll Number: MS929_41 Reg. #035376 First wife, Mary Eliza's death: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Wentworth, Division of Saltfleet Name: Mary Eliza Heard Death Date: 12 Dec 1880 Death Location: Wentworth Occupation: Wife of laborer Gender: Female Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Birth Location: Binbrook Cause: Typhoid fever, 5 weeks Reg. #018598 Nathaniel's death: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Wentworth Name: Nathaniel Heard Death Date: 2 Nov 1909 Death Location: Stoney Creek, Wentworth Occupation: Laborer Gender: Male Born: August 12, 1843 Birth Location: Woodburn Parents: James Heard, born New Brunswick and Catherine Cameron, born ?? Informant: Flora J. Heard, Stoney Creek Cause: Compilation of illnesses, broncho pneumonia Physician: B. E. Thompson, Stoney Creek Reg. #032844 Nat's first marriage: Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record County of Wentworth Name: Nathaniel Hurd Birth Place: Binbrook Age: 28 Father Name: James Hurd Mother Name: Catherine Hurd Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Spouse Name: Mary E Moore Spouse's Age: 15 Spouse Birth Place: Binbrook Spouse Father Name: Wm Moore Spouse Mother Name : Alice Moore Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1874 Marriage Place: Binbrook Registration Number: 53160 I couldn't find online his marriage to Flora Janet Proctor. They will have to try at the LDS family history centre near them. From www.automatedgenealogy.com : 1901 Census of Canada Page Information District: ON WENTWORTH (South/Sud) (#128) Subdistrict: Saltfleet K-1 Page 9 Images are from National Archives Web Site Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6506 Hurd Nathaniel M Head M Jul 12 1843 born Ontario, Fireman, Church of England Hurd Jeanette F Wife M Feb 4 1857 born USA Hurd Sarah E. F Daughter S Sep 20 1882 ON Hurd Jennie F Daughter S Apr 21 1886 ON Hurd Edna F Daughter S Jun 13 1891 ON Hurd Charles M Son S Sep 13 1894 ON - go by the birth reg as this is out by one year, not uncommon. Hurd Ethel F Daughter S Oct 16 1896 ON Nat died in 1909 and here is Janet: 1911 census / Ontario / Wentworth / 47 Saltfleet Township / page 9: Hurd Jenette F Head W Feb 1859 USA Emigrated in 1861!!!Anglican, works in box factory as do the 2 eldest children Edna and Charley Hurd Edna F Daughter S Jun 1891 ON Hurd Charley M Son S Sep 1894 ON Hurd Ethel F Daughter S Oct 1896 ON Marriages: Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record - more info is on these reg's but they will have to order them as I'm not typing them all out. Name: Ethel Barbare Heard Birth Place: Stoney Creek Co Wentworth Age: 20 Father Name: Nathaniel Heard Mother Name: Flora Jannett Proctor Heard Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Spouse Name: Edward Greenwood Spouse's Age: 29 Spouse Birth Place: Bradford Yorkshire Eng Spouse Father Name: William Greenwood Spouse Mother Name : Alice Sharpless Marriage Date: 10 Jul 1917 Marriage Place: Wentworth Marriage County: Wentworth Reg. #021114 Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record about Susan Eliza Hurd Name: Susan Eliza Hurd Age: 25 Father Name: Nathaneil Hurd Mother Name: Flora Janet Proctor Hurd Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Spouse Name: Alex Daniel McKenzie Spouse's Age: 26 Spouse Father Name: John McKenzie Spouse Mother Name : Susan Little Johar McKenzie Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1908 Marriage Place: Wentworth Marriage County: Wentworth Reg. #021509 I can't find any more, couldn't find Charles Moore/More on the 1901 census but the people looking for these families can look for themselves at www.automatedgenealogy.com or troll the original pages in case they are indexed incorrectly. There will be more records at the LDS for this family, I'm sure. I also didn't find any other records for Charles and Sarah A. (Proctor) Moore online. Gotta go, Marg in Sunny Alberta Jopie Loughead wrote: > Hi List, > Is anyone working on this family? I found a baptism for Janet > daughter of John and Janet, born 1859. It gave her mother as Janet, > no maiden name. > Jopie > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie & Larry" > <jackie.proctor@sympatico.ca> > > >> I was in contact with you in February regarding my husbands family. >> >> Lawrence Brent Proctor (my husband) >> >> John Francis Proctor (his father, who he never met). We have found a >> lot of information about him and have been able to get his death >> certificate. >> >> George Francis Proctor (father of John Francis). We have also found >> quite a bit about him. >> >> John Proctor (father of George, my husband's great grandfather) >> >> - born in Scotland about 1830 >> - married Margaret Sutherland, Oct. 19, 1861, born in Ontario in >> 1843 (Marriage Registers of Ontario 1858-69) >> -1881 Census, Bentinck, Grey South >> John Proctor, Scottish, age 49, born Scotland, occupation Music >> Master >> Margaret, Scottish, age 38, born Ontario >> Victoria A., age 18, dressmaker >> Alexander D., age 17, Bricklayer >> George F., age 12 Margaret T., age 5 >> - Margaret died June 1888 and is buried at Crispin cemetery as are >> 3 infant children. >> >> In a response from you on Feb. 27 you found in the 1871 census >> Bentinick the Proctor family was: >> >> John, age 40 >> Margaret (wife) age 28 >> Sarah Ann 17 >> John 15 >> Janet 12 >> Victoria 8 Alexander 7 George 2 >> Isabella 1 >> >> This would indicate a previous marriage as the 3 eldest children >> would be too old to be Margaret's. >> >> What I would like to find out if possible: >> >> 1. Where was John Proctor from in Scotland >> 2. When and where did he die >> 3. Any information on any of the children (other than George who >> we know about). Did they marry/ Where did they go? >> Any descendants? etc. >> 4. Who was his first wife? >> >> I thank you for your past help and appreciate anything more you can >> find out. I was not able to find the 1871 census online. >> >> >> Jackie >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 >> >> > > >

Hi List, Is anyone working on this family? I found a baptism for Janet daughter of John and Janet, born 1859. It gave her mother as Janet, no maiden name. Jopie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie & Larry" <jackie.proctor@sympatico.ca> >I was in contact with you in February regarding my husbands family. > > Lawrence Brent Proctor (my husband) > > John Francis Proctor (his father, who he never met). We have found a lot > of information about him and have been able to get his death certificate. > > George Francis Proctor (father of John Francis). We have also found quite > a bit about him. > > John Proctor (father of George, my husband's great grandfather) > > - born in Scotland about 1830 > - married Margaret Sutherland, Oct. 19, 1861, born in Ontario in 1843 > (Marriage Registers of Ontario 1858-69) > -1881 Census, Bentinck, Grey South > John Proctor, Scottish, age 49, born Scotland, occupation Music > Master > Margaret, Scottish, age 38, born Ontario > Victoria A., age 18, dressmaker > Alexander D., age 17, Bricklayer > George F., age 12 Margaret T., age 5 > - Margaret died June 1888 and is buried at Crispin cemetery as are 3 > infant children. > > In a response from you on Feb. 27 you found in the 1871 census Bentinick > the Proctor family was: > > John, age 40 > Margaret (wife) age 28 > Sarah Ann 17 > John 15 > Janet 12 > Victoria 8 Alexander 7 George 2 > Isabella 1 > > This would indicate a previous marriage as the 3 eldest children would be > too old to be Margaret's. > > What I would like to find out if possible: > > 1. Where was John Proctor from in Scotland > 2. When and where did he die > 3. Any information on any of the children (other than George who we > know about). Did they marry/ Where did they go? > Any descendants? etc. > 4. Who was his first wife? > > I thank you for your past help and appreciate anything more you can find > out. I was not able to find the 1871 census online. > > > Jackie > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006

Hi Raymond, Not sure if you and your wife have some of this info, but I found some Coulter information for you (further to what Jopie sent). Joseph's parents marriage registration (please note that Mary's last name is noted as Edgen and not Edgar): Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record about David Coulter Name: David Coulter Birth Place: Canada Residence: Holland Township Age: 21 Father Name: Samuel Coulter Mother Name: Martha Wake Estimated Birth Year: 1840 Spouse Name: Mary Edgen Spouse's Age: 19 Spouse Birth Place: Canada Spouse Residence: Holland Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1842 Spouse Father Name: Joseph Edgen Spouse Mother Name : Isabella Carenduff Marriage Date: 17 Jan 1861 Marriage Place: Mulholland Marriage County: Grey Family History Library Microfilm: 1030056 As that newspaper article you have stated, Joseph and Christina had several children. I found some birth records: Name: Coulter (no first name given at time of registration) Date of Birth: 15 Feb 1889 - born prematurely Gender: Female Birth County: York Father's Name: Joseph Coulter Mother's Name: Christina Stephenson Roll Number: MS929_97 Name: Joseph Edgar Coulter Date of Birth: 18 Mar 1890 Gender: Male Birth County: York Father's Name: Joseph Coulter Mother's Name: Christina Stephenson Roll Number: MS929_102 Name: David Ernest Coulter Date of Birth: 3 Aug 1891 Gender: Male Birth County: York Father's Name: Joseph Coulter Mother's Name: Christina Stephenson Roll Number: MS929_103 Name: Mary Ellen Coulter Date of Birth: 12 Jul 1896 Gender: Female Birth County: York Father's Name: Joseph Coulter Mother's Name: Christina Stephenson Roll Number: MS929_136 Name: Norman Harold Coulter Date of Birth: 6 Jul 1898 Gender: Male Birth County: York Father's Name: Joseph Coulter Mother's Name: Christina Stephenson Roll Number: MS929_141 Name: Herbert William Coulter Date of Birth: 29 Jan 1904 Gender: Male Birth County: York Father's Name: Joseph Coulter Mother's Name: Christina Stevenson Roll Number: MS929_167 I also found Ernest's marriage registration: Name: Ernest David Coulter Age: 20 Father Name: Joseph Coulter Mother Name: Christinia Stephenson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Spouse Name: Ruby Elois Taylor Spouse's Age: 19 Spouse Father Name: Robert Newton Taylor Spouse Mother Name : Mary McDonald Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1911 Marriage Place: York Marriage County: York Registration number: 022214 You may have this info already, be here is the 1901 census: Coulter Joseph, Male, Head, Married, born Jan 12 1864, age 37 Coulter Christina, Female, Wife, Married, born Aug 19 1864, age 36 Coulter Edgar, Male, Son, Single, born Mar 18 1890, age 11 Coulter Ernest, Male, Son, Single, born Aug 30 1891, age 9 Coulter Myrtle, Female, Daughter, Single, born May 4 1893, age 8 Coulter Helen, Female, Daughter, Single, born Jul 12 1896, age 4 Coulter Harold, Male, Son, Single, born Jul 6 1897, age 3 Coulter J Isabelle, Female, Daughter, Single, born Jul 7 1900, age >1 Source Information: 1901 Census of Canada Subdistrict: Toronto (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No. 6, YORK (West/Ouest), ONTARIO District Number: 131 Subdistrict Number: g-16 Archives Microfilm: T-6508 I also found the 1911 census (not yet transcribed - West Toronto, District 128 Ward 6, sub-district 115, on page 11, family 117). This is how it reads (slightly different from 1901): Coulter, Joseph, Male, head, married, born Jan 1864, age 47, Coulter, Christina, Female, wife, married, born August 1866, age 46 Coulter, Joseph E., Male, son, single, born March 1890, age 21 Coulter, Ernest, Male, son, single, born March 1890, age 20 Coulter, Martha, Female, daughter, single, born May 1893, age 18 Coulter, Helen, Female, daughter, single, born July 1895, age 15 Coulter, Harold, Male, son, single, born July 1897, age 13 Coulter, Isabel, Female, daughter, single, born July 1899, age 11 Coulter, Edna, Female, daughter, single, born December 1908, age 3 Hope this is a good start for you. Best of luk with your research! Kim --- Raymond B Marina <rbmarina@mac.com> wrote: > > I am trying to find out some information on my > wife's family. Once I > find I'm on solid ground, I would plan to pay a > visit to Owen Sound > to access source records directly. >

Hi: This might be the death reg for Martha Wakelam Coulter: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Grey, Division of Sullivan Twp. Name: Martha Coulter Death Date: 27 Jul 1887 Death Location: Grey Occupation: Housewife Gender: Female Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Birth Location: Ireland Cause: Old age, 1 week Informant: Edward Coulter, Lot 8, Concession 7, Sullivan Twp., Grey County Reg. #005540 - hard to read and Samuel: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Grey, Division of Sullivan Name: Samuel Coulter Death Date: 6 or 7 Mar 1882 Death Location: Grey Occupation: Farmer Gender: Male Religion: Church of England Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Birth Location: Ireland Cause: Old age, abt 7 weeks Informant: Rev. George Keys, Chatsworth Reg. #005823 This may be Mary Edgar's father, Joseph: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Grey, Division of Holland Name: Joseph Edgar Death Date: 7 and 8 Sep 1893 Death Location: Grey Occupation: Stone mason Age: 86 Gender: Male Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Birth Location: County Down, Ireland Cause: Old age, 1 week Physician: Dr. W. G. Dow, Owen Sound Informant: Robert Edgar, Owen Sound Religion: Presbyterian Reg. #005569 Marriages: 008485-1904 (Grey Co) Thomas PRINGLE, 31, Farmer, Sullivan Tp., Sullivan Tp., s/o Joseph PRINGLE & Annie FERGUSON, married Elizabeth Margaret COULTER, 30, Holland, Chatsworth, d/o David COULTER & Mary EDGAR, witn: William F PRINGLE of Chesley & Isabella FERGUSON of Chatsworth, 4 Apr 1904 at Chatsworth. Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record about Ellen Coulter Name: Ellen Coulter Birth Place: Canada Residence: Holland Township Age: 20 Father Name: Samuel Coulter Mother Name: Martha Wakelam Estimated Birth Year: 1841 Spouse Name: Henry Johnston Spouse's Age: 22 Spouse Birth Place: Canada Spouse Residence: Elderslie Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1839 Spouse Father Name: James Johnston Spouse Mother Name : Mary Leamons Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1861 Marriage Place: Mulholland Marriage County: Grey Family History Library Microfilm: 1030056 003285-77 Alexander EDGAR, 24, merchant, Ireland, Lefroy Ontario, s/o Joseph & Mary, married Annie E. HANDBURY, 23, Bastard Ont., Markdale, d/o William & Jane, witn; John HANDBURY & Calista Jane WHITBY both of Markdale on Oct. 24, 1877 at Markdale. Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record about Robert Edgar Name: Robert Edgar Birth Place: Ireland Residence: Owen Sound Age: 23 Father Name: Joseph Edgar Mother Name: Isabella C Enduff Estimated Birth Year: 1838 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Caton Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse Birth Place: Canada Spouse Residence: Owen Sound Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1840 Spouse Father Name: William Catou Spouse Mother Name : Jane Bell Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1861 Marriage Place: Mulholland Marriage County: Grey Family History Library Microfilm: 1030056 Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922 Record Name: Samuel Edgar, bachelor, teacher, Presbyterian Birth Place: Smiths Falls Leeds Co Residence: London, Ontario Age: 38 Father Name: Joseph Edgar Mother Name: Isabella Carnduff Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Spouse Name: Annie B Smith, Presbyterian Spouse's Age: 23 Spouse Birth Place: Owen Sound Residence: Owen Sound Spouse Father Name: John B Smith Spouse Mother Name : Agnes Doeg Marriage Date: 3 Oct 1883 Marriage Place: Owen Sound, Grey Marriage County: Grey Witnesses: Josiah Tolton?, and Jane Durie, both of Owen Sound Reg. #003623 You need to look at the originals of these marriages as there may be typos in the transcripts. There are likely more marriages, etc, which you can find at the LDS family history centre near you. Greenwood Cemetery, Owen Sound, index to burials, use the binoculars to search for your surnames: http://city.owen-sound.on.ca/cemetery/index.cfm The 1901 census is indexed as written by the enumerator and as read by the transcribers at www.automatedgenealogy.com and they are working on the 1911 census now. There are various databases on the National Archives of Canada Gene Centre page, including an index to HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD only for the 1871 Ontario census, and the 1851 census, some districts are missing but I see that Holland twp is there, with no index: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-500-e.html On the 1871 census index, head of households, there are these heads of household plus more Coulter's in various areas: COULTER , JOSEPH 32 ONTARIO GREY NORTH Sullivan COULTER , JAMES 40 IRELAND GREY NORTH Sullivan COULTER , SAMUEL 35 IRELAND GREY NORTH Sullivan COULTER , JOSEPH 40 IRELAND GREY NORTH Holland COULTER , SAMUEL 74 IRELAND GREY NORTH Holland Click on Online help to find out about ordering copies of each of the above pages, or view the film yourself and the family history centre near you. Click on the symbol to the left of each name for the full Index entry that you need to order or view the correct pages. Directory of the County of Grey, 1865/66 containing the Coulter surname: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/grey8.htm Concession Lot Sullivan Twp. Coulter, Robert 7 8 Coulter, James 8 11 Coulter, Joseph 8 11 and here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/grey4.htm Holland Twp: Concession Lot East of Garafraxa Road Coulter, Edward 3 5 Coulter, David 3 6 Search for your other surnames using the search box shown under "my second site", here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/sitemap.htm Best of luck with your searches! Marg in Sunny Alberta >

Here is a marriage for you: Coulter, David 21, Holland Twp, Canada, son of Samuel and Martha (WAKELAM, married 17 January 1861, Mary Edgar, 17, Holland, Canada, daughter of Joseph and Isabella (Carenduff) Frm County Marriage Registrars of Onraio, Canada, 1858 - 1869 Volume 33, Grey County. Here is the 1861 census for this family. Samuel COULTER, farmer, Ireland, C/E 65 married Martha " " 57 married David , Lab. U. C. 22 Married Mary 17 married Ellen 20 Lucy J. 18 Flora A. 13 So it looks like David and his wife are living with his parents. Tha Marriage registers are available at most libraries as are census records. The Ontario Vital Statistics available at your own library from the Ontario Archives. 1881 census on line as well as 1901 and 1911. Greenwood Cemetery, Owen Sound is on line as well. Jopie Jopie Loughead ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond B Marina" <rbmarina@mac.com> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:08 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Coulter-Stevenson Marriage > > I am trying to find out some information on my wife's family. Once I find > I'm on solid ground, I would plan to pay a visit to Owen Sound to access > source records directly. > > My wife's G-grandfather Joseph Coulter married Christina Stevenson in > Owen Sound on 15 Sep 1887. > #004194-87 (Grey Co): Joseph COULTER, 25, iron moulder, Chatsworth, > Toronto, s/o David COULTER & Mary EDGAR, married Christena STEPHENSON, > 21, Toronto, Owen Sound, d/o Foster STEPHENSON & Ellen RANKIN, witn: > Samuel COULTER of Chatsworth & Mary McKINNON of Owen Sound, 15 Sept 1887 > at Owen Sound > > We have a newspaper clipping on the celebration of their 50th wedding > anniversary held in Toronto. (One son, J Edgar Coulter, died in 1957 and > would likely have hosted the event). > > The clipping reads as follows: > "Toronto on Wednesday, when Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Coulter, 37 Alhambra > Avenue, will be feted at a family dinner party and later in the evening > will be “at home” to their many friends. > Mr. and Mrs. Coulter are former residents of Chatsworth, Ont. The > bridegroom of half a century ago was born in Chatsworth, his parents and > his maternal grandparents being among the pioneers of the district. His > mother was a member of the Edgar family. Mrs. Coulter’s maiden name was > Christina Stevenson and she was united in marriage to Joseph Coulter on > September 15th, 1887, in Owen Sound, the Rev. Mr. Scott officiating. > Mr. and Mrs. Coulter have lived in Toronto practically all their married > life. They have a family of three sons and three daughters, all of whom > are joining in the celebration on Wednesday. The members of the family > are J. Edgar, and Ernest D., both of Toronto, Harold of Hamilton, Miss > Helen, at home, Isabel, Mrs. Ralph Horner of Ottawa, and Edna Loughlin of > Toronto." > > Can anyone provide background information on the Coulter, Stevenson, or > Edgar pioneer families of the Chatsworth/Owen Sound area? > > Many thanks, > > Raymond Marina > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006

I am trying to find out some information on my wife's family. Once I find I'm on solid ground, I would plan to pay a visit to Owen Sound to access source records directly. My wife's G-grandfather Joseph Coulter married Christina Stevenson in Owen Sound on 15 Sep 1887. #004194-87 (Grey Co): Joseph COULTER, 25, iron moulder, Chatsworth, Toronto, s/o David COULTER & Mary EDGAR, married Christena STEPHENSON, 21, Toronto, Owen Sound, d/o Foster STEPHENSON & Ellen RANKIN, witn: Samuel COULTER of Chatsworth & Mary McKINNON of Owen Sound, 15 Sept 1887 at Owen Sound We have a newspaper clipping on the celebration of their 50th wedding anniversary held in Toronto. (One son, J Edgar Coulter, died in 1957 and would likely have hosted the event). The clipping reads as follows: "Toronto on Wednesday, when Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Coulter, 37 Alhambra Avenue, will be feted at a family dinner party and later in the evening will be “at home” to their many friends. Mr. and Mrs. Coulter are former residents of Chatsworth, Ont. The bridegroom of half a century ago was born in Chatsworth, his parents and his maternal grandparents being among the pioneers of the district. His mother was a member of the Edgar family. Mrs. Coulter’s maiden name was Christina Stevenson and she was united in marriage to Joseph Coulter on September 15th, 1887, in Owen Sound, the Rev. Mr. Scott officiating. Mr. and Mrs. Coulter have lived in Toronto practically all their married life. They have a family of three sons and three daughters, all of whom are joining in the celebration on Wednesday. The members of the family are J. Edgar, and Ernest D., both of Toronto, Harold of Hamilton, Miss Helen, at home, Isabel, Mrs. Ralph Horner of Ottawa, and Edna Loughlin of Toronto." Can anyone provide background information on the Coulter, Stevenson, or Edgar pioneer families of the Chatsworth/Owen Sound area? Many thanks, Raymond Marina

In the BGOGS transcriptions of McNeil Cemetery, Priceville: 119 McARTHUR Donald 1912, age 79 wife Mary M. Fadyen 1840-1914 Mary McArthur 1885 y yrs 5 mos John 1909 age 47 Archie B. 1880-1943 wife, Minnie MacArthur 1880-1953 son, Lorne F. 1943 on active service in Camp Basso, Italy Donald MacArthur 1915-1935 Something to keep in mind when researching! Please note that the very next listing in the transcription is also an Archie B. McArthur 1870-1935, wife Irene Frank 1872-1951. Cameron 1907-1951 Dan L. 1901-1987, wife Edna M. Nichol 1903-1984 Cheerio Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale and Ann Ward" <da.ward@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Private Lorne McFadgen MacArthur Hello Listers, Private Lorne McFadgen MacArthur b. about 1921, died in Italy during World War II on Oct. 19, 1943. He was the son of Archie and Minnie MacArthur of Priceville. Were Archie and Minnie the same people as Archibald b.1880, d.1948 and Martha (Kennedy) McArthur who lived in Priceville, Grey Co., Ontario ? All help appreciated. Ann Ward da.ward@sympatico.ca ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Dale I have a collection of scanned WWI and WWII newsclippings from the Durham area that include your Lorne and his brother.. I will send them separately - virus scanned for your protection. Cheerio Sue Visser Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale and Ann Ward" <da.ward@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Private Lorne McFadgen MacArthur Hello Listers, Private Lorne McFadgen MacArthur b. about 1921, died in Italy during World War II on Oct. 19, 1943. He was the son of Archie and Minnie MacArthur of Priceville. Were Archie and Minnie the same people as Archibald b.1880, d.1948 and Martha (Kennedy) McArthur who lived in Priceville, Grey Co., Ontario ? All help appreciated. Ann Ward da.ward@sympatico.ca ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hello Listers, Private Lorne McFadgen MacArthur b. about 1921, died in Italy during World War II on Oct. 19, 1943. He was the son of Archie and Minnie MacArthur of Priceville. Were Archie and Minnie the same people as Archibald b.1880, d.1948 and Martha (Kennedy) McArthur who lived in Priceville, Grey Co., Ontario ? All help appreciated. Ann Ward da.ward@sympatico.ca