Sorry, JK, that's what I was trying to convey but you have said it so much better! That's why I suggested a google search and reading info on them. Marg JK wrote: >Technically speaking, no one in the now-USA was granted land as a UE. > >It was for loyalists FROM the US and you had to be in Canada and had to >prove allegiance to the crown prior to 1783. You then had to swear >allegiance in Canada and meet a number of conditions > >These were changed about 6 times between 1816 and 1832 > >JK > >marg mcfarlane wrote: > > >>Hi: >> >>OIC - Order in Council - land was granted to those in the now-USA who >>stayed loyal to Britain and they were called UEL's - United Empire >>Loyalists. The SUE perhaps means Son of a United Empire Loyalist, DUE - >>daughter of an Empire Loyalist. >> >>Type United Empire Loyalists in to your search engine, google, etc and >>you will be able to read more about them. >> >>Marg >> >>Connie wrote: >> >> >> >>>Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) >>> >>>JK wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >>>>know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>>>An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>>>of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>>>executive council. >>>>You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >>>>Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >>>> >>>>Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>>>land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>>>they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >>>> >>>>1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>>>extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >>>> >>>>JK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi: OIC - Order in Council - land was granted to those in the now-USA who stayed loyal to Britain and they were called UEL's - United Empire Loyalists. The SUE perhaps means Son of a United Empire Loyalist, DUE - daughter of an Empire Loyalist. Type United Empire Loyalists in to your search engine, google, etc and you will be able to read more about them. Marg Connie wrote: >Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) > >JK wrote: > > >>Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >>know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>executive council. >>You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >>Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >> >>Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >> >>1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >> >>JK >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

O.K.----son of UE, daughter of UE--what does UE stand for. Thanks. :-) JK wrote: > Son, daughter, military, Order-in-council > > Connie wrote: > >> Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) >> >> JK wrote: >> >>> Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >>> know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>> An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>> of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>> executive council. >>> You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >>> Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >>> >>> Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>> land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>> they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >>> >>> 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>> extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >>> >>> JK >>> >>> >> >> >

Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) JK wrote: > Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you > know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. > An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount > of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the > executive council. > You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, > Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. > > Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the > land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because > they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. > > 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been > extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. > > JK >

Hello: Joseph J. BUCK b 1812 Leeds County, Lansdowne Township. UE, got OC for land grant in 1834. His grant was for St. Vincent Township (no County mentioned). He m Jane Seaman also from Leeds. had at least 2 children and migrated to Dunnsville. He is on 1851 and 61 Censuses there. Other children were born. At least two d. there. His wife died as result of a freak accident. He remarried and his trail has disappeared. I did find two daughters in the 1871 Toronto Census but I was not able to establish their residence.The girls were both m within 4 years. My question is: Did he ever live on that land? One daughter mentions spending some time on an island in Georgian Bay which suggests they lived close-by. I have followed the two daughters, one became my G/M Does anyone have knowledge of these family members ? I appreciate any assistance you might offer. Thank you. Delphine Large (Cameron). Victoria, B.C.

Could the place be Agincourt, Ontario. Agincourt is a part of Toronto but was a village in 1858. ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:18:07 -0700 > From: Tom Beatson <tombeatson@cox.net> > Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford - Meathford? > To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <2597CB35-5C80-49F7-A525-48C4F7B0E95F@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I have been exchanging info with my cousin, who has a family bible > that belonged to our great great grandparents. It says they were > married in 1854 in Agenbough, North America, and their only child was > born in 1857 in Meathford, North America. My own research turned up > the 1882 marriage record of that child and identified his birthplace > as Meaford. Is there any known evidence of Meaford having been known > as Meathford? Was Agenbough located in Grey County? Thank you in > advance for any help you can provide. > > Tom Beatson > Phoenix, Arizona USA > > > ------------------------------ >

Thank you Kit for the suggestion. I am awaiting delivery via snail mail of a copy of the pages from the family bible, to see if I can find any other clues. The GGgrandparents in this bible were David James (DJ) Chesterman and Martha Sandys. Their only child was my Ggrandfather George William Chesterman, who for some unknown reason changed his middle name from William to Sanford when he was about 25. George's Ontario marriage record in Lanark County, 20 July 1882, shows his birthplace as Meaford. I suspect that DJ and Martha started the family bible some years after their marriage in 1854 and the birth of George in 1857, when they no longer lived in or near Grey County, and had to kind of guess at the names of Meathford and Agenbough. Your name, Kit, is the same as the mother of my cousin, John Chesterman, to whom the family bible belongs. Curious coincidence! Tom Beatson On Sep 25, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Kit Cutting wrote: > Could the place be Agincourt, Ontario. Agincourt is a part of > Toronto but > was a village in 1858. > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:18:07 -0700 >> From: Tom Beatson <tombeatson@cox.net> >> Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford - Meathford? >> To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <2597CB35-5C80-49F7-A525-48C4F7B0E95F@cox.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> I have been exchanging info with my cousin, who has a family bible >> that belonged to our great great grandparents. It says they were >> married in 1854 in Agenbough, North America, and their only child was >> born in 1857 in Meathford, North America. My own research turned up >> the 1882 marriage record of that child and identified his birthplace >> as Meaford. Is there any known evidence of Meaford having been known >> as Meathford? Was Agenbough located in Grey County? Thank you in >> advance for any help you can provide. >> >> Tom Beatson >> Phoenix, Arizona USA >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried using the phone directory? www.411.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hook" <davehook@rogers.com> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Getting in touch with R. Warren James > > I found a publication at the Owen Sound Public Library that mentions one > of my family lines: The Douglas and Corbet families of Owen Sound by > R. Warren James. I'd like to get in touch with the author and find out > a bit more about some of the sources he used. Would anyone know how how > to get in touch with him? > > Thanks, > Dave > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Dave The catalogue record shows that the 2nd edition came out in 1999. At that time according to the publication information he lived in North Gower Ontario. A search at Canada 411 shows the following information. It looks like a match. James, R Warren 6142 Prince Of Wales Dr North Gower, ON K0A 2E0 (613) 489-3957 Sincerely, Janet Iles -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hook Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:31 AM To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Getting in touch with R. Warren James I found a publication at the Owen Sound Public Library that mentions one of my family lines: The Douglas and Corbet families of Owen Sound by R. Warren James. I'd like to get in touch with the author and find out a bit more about some of the sources he used. Would anyone know how how to get in touch with him? Thanks, Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a publication at the Owen Sound Public Library that mentions one of my family lines: The Douglas and Corbet families of Owen Sound by R. Warren James. I'd like to get in touch with the author and find out a bit more about some of the sources he used. Would anyone know how how to get in touch with him? Thanks, Dave

Just to update this information Meaford did have another name. http://www.greycounty.ca/communities/meaford.cfm - shows "early name Peggy's Landing honoured a pioneer settler incorporated as a town 1874 centre of industry and commerce, with early mills and factories" Janet Iles -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Visser Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:33 PM To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford - Meathford? Hi Tom We drove through Meaford this week - a very lovely area especially in the fall should you ever be able to visit. There are online photos to tempt you at http://www.meaford.com/town/phototour.htm According to the Ontario Locator http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/ Meaford didn't have another name. With the marriage record indicating Meaford as place of birth, I would suspect that there has been a misunderstanding - perhaps a letter home with writing that wasn't quite distinct? I'm not aware of a place called Agenbough but perhaps someone else knows otherwise. Farms/homes sometimes had names so perhaps Agenbough (if spelled correctly) was the name of the home? By the way - why not share the family info, ie names, etc. Help can come from the most surprising of places/people. Good Luck Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beatson" <tombeatson@cox.net> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford - Meathford? I have been exchanging info with my cousin, who has a family bible that belonged to our great great grandparents. It says they were married in 1854 in Agenbough, North America, and their only child was born in 1857 in Meathford, North America. My own research turned up the 1882 marriage record of that child and identified his birthplace as Meaford. Is there any known evidence of Meaford having been known as Meathford? Was Agenbough located in Grey County? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. Tom Beatson Phoenix, Arizona USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tom We drove through Meaford this week - a very lovely area especially in the fall should you ever be able to visit. There are online photos to tempt you at http://www.meaford.com/town/phototour.htm According to the Ontario Locator http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/ Meaford didn't have another name. With the marriage record indicating Meaford as place of birth, I would suspect that there has been a misunderstanding - perhaps a letter home with writing that wasn't quite distinct? I'm not aware of a place called Agenbough but perhaps someone else knows otherwise. Farms/homes sometimes had names so perhaps Agenbough (if spelled correctly) was the name of the home? By the way - why not share the family info, ie names, etc. Help can come from the most surprising of places/people. Good Luck Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beatson" <tombeatson@cox.net> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford - Meathford? I have been exchanging info with my cousin, who has a family bible that belonged to our great great grandparents. It says they were married in 1854 in Agenbough, North America, and their only child was born in 1857 in Meathford, North America. My own research turned up the 1882 marriage record of that child and identified his birthplace as Meaford. Is there any known evidence of Meaford having been known as Meathford? Was Agenbough located in Grey County? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. Tom Beatson Phoenix, Arizona USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been exchanging info with my cousin, who has a family bible that belonged to our great great grandparents. It says they were married in 1854 in Agenbough, North America, and their only child was born in 1857 in Meathford, North America. My own research turned up the 1882 marriage record of that child and identified his birthplace as Meaford. Is there any known evidence of Meaford having been known as Meathford? Was Agenbough located in Grey County? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. Tom Beatson Phoenix, Arizona USA

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Hello everyone: Apologies for cross-posting I just wanted to mention a new mailing list that may be of interest: CAN-WW1. The list is for discussing Canadian-specific genealogy research related to World War 1 and that time period. To join the list, please send an email to CAN-WW1-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Please feel free to forward this message on to other lists as well Regards, Dave Hook New CAN-WW1 list admin

Hi Just to let everyone know that we are having a pot luck lunch for all descendents of people from Mull on September 23rd in Glen Williams. Please contact Malcolm Black at malcolm@blackboxautomation.com for complete information. We will have pictures of Mull, and books on Mull at well as information from the recent gathering on Mull. Please bring your family trees. Elaine Robinson Georgetown Ontario Looking for McKinnons in Ontario

Muriel. I was finally able to find my grandfather in Brooke, Owen Sound. Thank you so much for orchestrating the finalizing of the city. Leora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com>; <CAN-ONT-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:20 AM Subject: [CAN-ONT-GREY] GREY COUNTY is now 100% > GREY COUNTY is now 100% > > There could be errors in one section of Owen Sound -- > and I am certain the enumerator wrote with lots of ink and > a piece of 2 x 4 lumber. > > Should anyone find errors in names - the most important > part of a census records, please let me know - giving > district and page number - plus changes. > > Seeing all the districts for Owen Sound makes me wonder how > many there will be on the 2006 census!!! > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 > >

GREY COUNTY is now 100% There could be errors in one section of Owen Sound -- and I am certain the enumerator wrote with lots of ink and a piece of 2 x 4 lumber. Should anyone find errors in names - the most important part of a census records, please let me know - giving district and page number - plus changes. Seeing all the districts for Owen Sound makes me wonder how many there will be on the 2006 census!!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca

Marriages Grey County 1880 003590-80 (Grey Co.) Neil BELL,24, farmer, Canada, Nottawasaga, s/o Allen BELL and blank, married Jane MacNICHOL, 24, Canada, Collingwood, d/o Neil and Mary MacNICHOL, witn; Donald MacNICHOL of Collingwood and Annie BELL of Nottawasaga, 31 December 1879 at Collingwood. 003591-80 (Grey Co.) George LOREE, 23, farmer, Eramosa Twp., Collingwood Twp., s/o John and Harriet LOREE, married Annie McDONALD, 22, Roxbury Twp., Collingwood Twp., d/o Malcolm and Janet McDONALD, witn; James LINDSAY and Mary LOREE both of Collingwood Twp., 5 November, 1879 at Collingwood Twp. 003592-80 (Grey Co.) David FLEMING, 21, mechanic, Heathcote, Ravenna, s/o William and Ann FLEMING, married Agnes SHEARER, 17, Peterboro, Ravenna, d/o Douglas and Janet SHEARER, witn; Russell HURST of Collingwood and Kate SHEARER of Ravenna, 6 November 1879 at Ravenna. 003593-80 (Grey Co.) Charles POLLARD, 22, farmer, Ontario, Collingwood Twp., s/o William and mary POLLARD, married Mehetable COOPER, 19, Ontario, Collingwood Twp., d/o William and Huldah COOPER, witn; Alexander FLETCHER of Collingwood Twp. And Emily PHOENIX of Scott Twp., 21 October 1879 at Collingwood Twp. 003594-80 (Grey Co.) Robert Joseph LANG, 25, mechanic, Ontario, Collingwood Twp., s/o John and Catherine LANG, married Sarah Catherine YOUNG, 20, Ontario, Collingwood Twp., d/o John and Susan YOUNG, witn; Robert YOUNG and Mary Elizabeth COOK both of Collingwood Twp., 21 July 1880 at Collingwood Twp. 003595-80 (Grey Co.) Neil BELL, 24, farmer, Canada, Nottawasaga, s/o Allen and Sarah BELL married Jane McNICHOL, 24, Canada, Collingwood , d/o Neil and Mary McNICHOL, witn; Dougald McNICHOL of Collingwood Twp., and Annie BELL of Nottawasaga Twp., 31 December 1879 at Collingwood Twp. NOTE: this marriage 003595-80 is a duplicate of marriage 003590-80 (Grey Co.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 003596-80 (Grey Co.) Alexander CURRIE, 32, farmer, Canada, Nottawasaga, s/o Alexander and Flora CURRIE, married Mary Ann McNICHOL, 19, Canada, Collingwood, d/o Neil and Mary McNICHOL, witn; Dougald McNICHOL and Sarah McTAGGART both of Collingwood Twp., 11 february 1880 at Collingwood Twp. 003597-80 (Grey Co.) John JOHNSTON, 24, mechanic, Artemesia Twp., Ravenna, s/o William and Maria JOHNSTON, married Flora Jane CARSCADDEN, 20, Otonabee Twp., Collingwood Twp., d/o Joseph and Mary Jane CARSCADDEN, witn; Evers Dean CARSCADDEN and Maria JOHNSTON both of Collingwood Twp., 4 February 1880 at Collingwood twp. 003590-80 (Grey Co.) Thomas Dean CARSCADDEN, 23, yeoman, Durham Co., Collingwood Twp., s/o Dean and Isabella CARSCADDEN, married Bella SHAW, 21, Collingwood Twp., Collingwood Twp., d/o Thomas and Isabella SHAW, witn; David CARSCADDEN and Mary SHAW both of Collingwood Twp., 7 April 1880 at Collingwood Twp.

Hi Is anyone from Grey Co. currently living in Manitoba? I am looking for information on James William Mason born March 31, 1871 in Brampton, Ontario. His family was living around the MARKDALE area. When James was four years old his father, John Mason suddenly died of a heart attack in November of 1875 around Markdale. Jame's mother Susan Tribble Mason was unable to look after her six boys and very carfully selected homes for them. Susan soon died afterwards as well. James was sent to a home in Manitoba possibly to an Alex and Maria Williams in Rockwood, Selkirk, Manitoba. This is just a guess based on census records and could be the wrong James Mason. James is said to have died at some point in time in RIDING MOUNTIAN, Manitoba and possibly had three children May, Archie and Violet. James last name may have been changed as he may have been adopted by this new family in Manitoba. However, his brothers obituaries list him as James Mason of Manitoba Does anyone have any ideas? I would appreciate any idea that you may have. Regards Susie