Hi List I have seen some emails on this list from Ian McTaggart looking for family information. Ian, I may have some information for you. Please email me at mclake_1@hotmail.com Thanks Sandra McEachnie-Lake Grey County Ontario

Hi Tom I thought there might be a Chesterman in the listing of Canadian Methodist Ministers 1800-1925, but unfortunately not! http://www.rootsweb.com/~cancmhs/a-c.htm Edith Bassingthwaighte ebassing@shaw.ca -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Beatson Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:50 PM To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. On Oct 2, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > Hi Tom, > > The following information was obtained from the Wesleyan Methodist > Baptismal > Registry. <snip> Thanks Ted, but the Chestermans you found do not match up with any of mine. However, it's interesting that you were looking in the Methodist records, because according to family legend, my 2Ggrandfather DJ Chesterman was a Methodist minister. I don't know if he was ordained or not. After this Chesterman family of 3 returned to England for the 1861 and 1871 censuses, they returned to Lanark County, Ontario for the 1881 census, and were recorded as being Methodists. This was also declared in the 1882 marriage record of son George. I don't know what drew DJ and Martha Chesterman to the Meaford and Owen Sound area in 1855-1860, but I suspect it had something to do with the Methodist church, and perhaps the Underground Railroad. Tom Beatson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Oct 2, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > Hi Tom, > > The following information was obtained from the Wesleyan Methodist > Baptismal > Registry. <snip> Thanks Ted, but the Chestermans you found do not match up with any of mine. However, it's interesting that you were looking in the Methodist records, because according to family legend, my 2Ggrandfather DJ Chesterman was a Methodist minister. I don't know if he was ordained or not. After this Chesterman family of 3 returned to England for the 1861 and 1871 censuses, they returned to Lanark County, Ontario for the 1881 census, and were recorded as being Methodists. This was also declared in the 1882 marriage record of son George. I don't know what drew DJ and Martha Chesterman to the Meaford and Owen Sound area in 1855-1860, but I suspect it had something to do with the Methodist church, and perhaps the Underground Railroad. Tom Beatson

Good point, Malcolm. It also illustrates why genealogists should learn about the history and geography of the places where their ancestors lived. This will often explain why our families frequented places that might seem strange today, or even give you clues as to where their information might be located, when it is not found in the "obvious" spot. Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Malcolm Moody Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:36 AM To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. Hi Tom, I liked your reply. :-) Excuse me for jumping in on a "family conversation" but I have noticed a number of confusing "birth places" being discussed and have come to the tentative conclusion is that it was actually the place of birth registration which was being quoted. One specific case which springs to mind was a "birth" which was reported to have been in Frontinac County (Kingston) where the family was supposed to be living in living in Addington County (next county west.) It turned out that the family lived in a small village - more or less a post stop - just inside Addington and Kingston was the closest place where a birth could be registered. Although Meaford sounds as if it was large, and busy, enough to have it's own birth registration facilities (either a minister or a government office - this was a period of transition) there may have been some reason why the family chose to register in Owen Sound (perhaps they had to go there anyway.) I don't believe this would have been particularly unusual and it seems that many people / families, at that time, considered these government required registrations a nuisance to be dealt with as expeditiously as possible (or not at all in some cases.) Little enough but I hope it helps. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:09:43 -0700 > From: Tom Beatson <tombeatson@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. > To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B122E805-54F3-4C4F-AB83-561B92568EA9@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Please let me apologize, on behalf of my 2Ggrandfather, who wrote > "August 15, 1857 Meaford C No. America" in his Family Bible almost > 150 years ago. I'm quite sure he meant Meaford, the town in what is > now Grey County, because the 1932 Florida obituary of George > Chesterman (whose birth was being recorded in the Bible) reported his > birthplace as Owen Sound, probably because Owen Sound is slightly > larger than Meaford, I think. > > Tom Beatson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tom, I liked your reply. :-) Excuse me for jumping in on a "family conversation" but I have noticed a number of confusing "birth places" being discussed and have come to the tentative conclusion is that it was actually the place of birth registration which was being quoted. One specific case which springs to mind was a "birth" which was reported to have been in Frontinac County (Kingston) where the family was supposed to be living in living in Addington County (next county west.) It turned out that the family lived in a small village - more or less a post stop - just inside Addington and Kingston was the closest place where a birth could be registered. Although Meaford sounds as if it was large, and busy, enough to have it's own birth registration facilities (either a minister or a government office - this was a period of transition) there may have been some reason why the family chose to register in Owen Sound (perhaps they had to go there anyway.) I don't believe this would have been particularly unusual and it seems that many people / families, at that time, considered these government required registrations a nuisance to be dealt with as expeditiously as possible (or not at all in some cases.) Little enough but I hope it helps. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:09:43 -0700 > From: Tom Beatson <tombeatson@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. > To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B122E805-54F3-4C4F-AB83-561B92568EA9@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Please let me apologize, on behalf of my 2Ggrandfather, who wrote > "August 15, 1857 Meaford C No. America" in his Family Bible almost > 150 years ago. I'm quite sure he meant Meaford, the town in what is > now Grey County, because the 1932 Florida obituary of George > Chesterman (whose birth was being recorded in the Bible) reported his > birthplace as Owen Sound, probably because Owen Sound is slightly > larger than Meaford, I think. > > Tom Beatson

Good Point I was actually assuming there was a Meaford county based on the e-mail. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alfreda Veenstra" <aveenstra@rogers.com> Reply-To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:27:50 -0400 Do wish folks would refrain from using abbreviations. So many of the place names in USA and CA are the same in both countries as well as in the Old Countries. Very confusing. ie ON CA which we here in Canada assume means Ontario, Canada however Americans assume it to mean Ontario, California. There are thousands more that can be confused. I'm assuming that Meaford C No. America - means Meaford, Canada, North America or Should you be looking for a Meaford County somewhere? Good luck with your research. Alfreda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beatson" <tombeatson@cox.net> To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. >I now have the copy of the pages from the Family Bible. There is no > mention of "Meathford", just Meaford, so apparently that was a > problem with my cousin's memory. The Bible makes it clear that my > Ggrandfather George William Chesterman was born "August 15, 1857 > Meaford C No. America". No other births were recorded. On another > page the marriage of George's parents was recorded. They were DJ > Chesterman and Martha Sandys on May 21st 1854 in "the Episcopal > Church city of Ogenburgh North America". My guess is that Ogenburgh > was actually Ogdensburg, New York, on the St. Lawrence River, and I > plan to contact the Episcopal church in Ogdensburg. > > The Chestermans didn't remain in Meaford very long, because they were > back in England for the 1861 census. Family legend claims that DJ > (David James) was a Methodist minister, and I am wondering if they > may have been involved with the Underground Railroad. The Chesterman > family is white, not black. If anyone in Meaford or Owen Sound can > provide me with a way to verify my Underground Railroad suspicion I > would be very greatful. > > Tom Beatson > Phoenix, Arizona USA > > On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Tom Beatson wrote: > >> Thank you Kit for the suggestion. I am awaiting delivery via snail >> mail of a copy of the pages from the family bible, to see if I can >> find any other clues. The GGgrandparents in this bible were David >> James (DJ) Chesterman and Martha Sandys. Their only child was my >> Ggrandfather George William Chesterman, who for some unknown reason >> changed his middle name from William to Sanford when he was about 25. >> George's Ontario marriage record in Lanark County, 20 July 1882, >> shows his birthplace as Meaford. I suspect that DJ and Martha started >> the family bible some years after their marriage in 1854 and the >> birth of George in 1857, when they no longer lived in or near Grey >> County, and had to kind of guess at the names of Meathford and >> Agenbough. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tom, The following information was obtained from the Wesleyan Methodist Baptismal Registry. Walsingham Township, is in Norfolk County in Southern Ontario. Vol Pg# Dist./Co. Area Given-name Surname Father Mother Residence Birthplace Birthdate Bapt-date Bapt-place Minister 1 136 Talbot/London Walsingham Twp. Mary Jane Chesterman John Nancy Walsingham Walsingham 1849-05-20 1854-05-16 Walsingham Whiting, Rev. M. 1 136 Talbot/London Walsingham Twp. William Chesterman John Nancy Walsingham Walsingham 1842-04-12 1854-05-16 Walsingham Whiting, Rev. M. Is there any connection? Regards, Ted Smith Native of St. Vincent Township, Grey County, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:can-ont-grey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Beatson Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:10 PM To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. Please let me apologize, on behalf of my 2Ggrandfather, who wrote "August 15, 1857 Meaford C No. America" in his Family Bible almost 150 years ago. I'm quite sure he meant Meaford, the town in what is now Grey County, because the 1932 Florida obituary of George Chesterman (whose birth was being recorded in the Bible) reported his birthplace as Owen Sound, probably because Owen Sound is slightly larger than Meaford, I think. Tom Beatson On Oct 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Susie Lewis wrote: > Good Point > > I was actually assuming there was a Meaford county based on the e- > mail. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Alfreda Veenstra" <aveenstra@rogers.com> > Reply-To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com > To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:27:50 -0400 > > Do wish folks would refrain from using abbreviations. So many of > the place > names in USA and CA are the same in both countries as well as in > the Old > Countries. Very confusing. > > ie > ON CA which we here in Canada assume means Ontario, Canada however > Americans > assume it to mean Ontario, California. There are thousands more > that can be > confused. > > I'm assuming that > Meaford C No. America - means > Meaford, Canada, North America > or > Should you be looking for a Meaford County somewhere? > > Good luck with your research. > > Alfreda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Beatson" <tombeatson@cox.net> > To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. > > >> I now have the copy of the pages from the Family Bible. There is no >> mention of "Meathford", just Meaford, so apparently that was a >> problem with my cousin's memory. The Bible makes it clear that my >> Ggrandfather George William Chesterman was born "August 15, 1857 >> Meaford C No. America". No other births were recorded. On another >> page the marriage of George's parents was recorded. They were DJ >> Chesterman and Martha Sandys on May 21st 1854 in "the Episcopal >> Church city of Ogenburgh North America". My guess is that Ogenburgh >> was actually Ogdensburg, New York, on the St. Lawrence River, and I >> plan to contact the Episcopal church in Ogdensburg. >> >> The Chestermans didn't remain in Meaford very long, because they were >> back in England for the 1861 census. Family legend claims that DJ >> (David James) was a Methodist minister, and I am wondering if they >> may have been involved with the Underground Railroad. The Chesterman >> family is white, not black. If anyone in Meaford or Owen Sound can >> provide me with a way to verify my Underground Railroad suspicion I >> would be very greatful. >> >> Tom Beatson >> Phoenix, Arizona USA >> >> On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Tom Beatson wrote: >> >>> Thank you Kit for the suggestion. I am awaiting delivery via snail >>> mail of a copy of the pages from the family bible, to see if I can >>> find any other clues. The GGgrandparents in this bible were David >>> James (DJ) Chesterman and Martha Sandys. Their only child was my >>> Ggrandfather George William Chesterman, who for some unknown reason >>> changed his middle name from William to Sanford when he was about >>> 25. >>> George's Ontario marriage record in Lanark County, 20 July 1882, >>> shows his birthplace as Meaford. I suspect that DJ and Martha >>> started >>> the family bible some years after their marriage in 1854 and the >>> birth of George in 1857, when they no longer lived in or near Grey >>> County, and had to kind of guess at the names of Meathford and >>> Agenbough. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Please let me apologize, on behalf of my 2Ggrandfather, who wrote "August 15, 1857 Meaford C No. America" in his Family Bible almost 150 years ago. I'm quite sure he meant Meaford, the town in what is now Grey County, because the 1932 Florida obituary of George Chesterman (whose birth was being recorded in the Bible) reported his birthplace as Owen Sound, probably because Owen Sound is slightly larger than Meaford, I think. Tom Beatson On Oct 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Susie Lewis wrote: > Good Point > > I was actually assuming there was a Meaford county based on the e- > mail. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Alfreda Veenstra" <aveenstra@rogers.com> > Reply-To: can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com > To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:27:50 -0400 > > Do wish folks would refrain from using abbreviations. So many of > the place > names in USA and CA are the same in both countries as well as in > the Old > Countries. Very confusing. > > ie > ON CA which we here in Canada assume means Ontario, Canada however > Americans > assume it to mean Ontario, California. There are thousands more > that can be > confused. > > I'm assuming that > Meaford C No. America - means > Meaford, Canada, North America > or > Should you be looking for a Meaford County somewhere? > > Good luck with your research. > > Alfreda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Beatson" <tombeatson@cox.net> > To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. > > >> I now have the copy of the pages from the Family Bible. There is no >> mention of "Meathford", just Meaford, so apparently that was a >> problem with my cousin's memory. The Bible makes it clear that my >> Ggrandfather George William Chesterman was born "August 15, 1857 >> Meaford C No. America". No other births were recorded. On another >> page the marriage of George's parents was recorded. They were DJ >> Chesterman and Martha Sandys on May 21st 1854 in "the Episcopal >> Church city of Ogenburgh North America". My guess is that Ogenburgh >> was actually Ogdensburg, New York, on the St. Lawrence River, and I >> plan to contact the Episcopal church in Ogdensburg. >> >> The Chestermans didn't remain in Meaford very long, because they were >> back in England for the 1861 census. Family legend claims that DJ >> (David James) was a Methodist minister, and I am wondering if they >> may have been involved with the Underground Railroad. The Chesterman >> family is white, not black. If anyone in Meaford or Owen Sound can >> provide me with a way to verify my Underground Railroad suspicion I >> would be very greatful. >> >> Tom Beatson >> Phoenix, Arizona USA >> >> On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Tom Beatson wrote: >> >>> Thank you Kit for the suggestion. I am awaiting delivery via snail >>> mail of a copy of the pages from the family bible, to see if I can >>> find any other clues. The GGgrandparents in this bible were David >>> James (DJ) Chesterman and Martha Sandys. Their only child was my >>> Ggrandfather George William Chesterman, who for some unknown reason >>> changed his middle name from William to Sanford when he was about >>> 25. >>> George's Ontario marriage record in Lanark County, 20 July 1882, >>> shows his birthplace as Meaford. I suspect that DJ and Martha >>> started >>> the family bible some years after their marriage in 1854 and the >>> birth of George in 1857, when they no longer lived in or near Grey >>> County, and had to kind of guess at the names of Meathford and >>> Agenbough.

Do wish folks would refrain from using abbreviations. So many of the place names in USA and CA are the same in both countries as well as in the Old Countries. Very confusing. ie ON CA which we here in Canada assume means Ontario, Canada however Americans assume it to mean Ontario, California. There are thousands more that can be confused. I'm assuming that Meaford C No. America - means Meaford, Canada, North America or Should you be looking for a Meaford County somewhere? Good luck with your research. Alfreda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beatson" <tombeatson@cox.net> To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] Meaford, Agenbough, etc. >I now have the copy of the pages from the Family Bible. There is no > mention of "Meathford", just Meaford, so apparently that was a > problem with my cousin's memory. The Bible makes it clear that my > Ggrandfather George William Chesterman was born "August 15, 1857 > Meaford C No. America". No other births were recorded. On another > page the marriage of George's parents was recorded. They were DJ > Chesterman and Martha Sandys on May 21st 1854 in "the Episcopal > Church city of Ogenburgh North America". My guess is that Ogenburgh > was actually Ogdensburg, New York, on the St. Lawrence River, and I > plan to contact the Episcopal church in Ogdensburg. > > The Chestermans didn't remain in Meaford very long, because they were > back in England for the 1861 census. Family legend claims that DJ > (David James) was a Methodist minister, and I am wondering if they > may have been involved with the Underground Railroad. The Chesterman > family is white, not black. If anyone in Meaford or Owen Sound can > provide me with a way to verify my Underground Railroad suspicion I > would be very greatful. > > Tom Beatson > Phoenix, Arizona USA > > On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Tom Beatson wrote: > >> Thank you Kit for the suggestion. I am awaiting delivery via snail >> mail of a copy of the pages from the family bible, to see if I can >> find any other clues. The GGgrandparents in this bible were David >> James (DJ) Chesterman and Martha Sandys. Their only child was my >> Ggrandfather George William Chesterman, who for some unknown reason >> changed his middle name from William to Sanford when he was about 25. >> George's Ontario marriage record in Lanark County, 20 July 1882, >> shows his birthplace as Meaford. I suspect that DJ and Martha started >> the family bible some years after their marriage in 1854 and the >> birth of George in 1857, when they no longer lived in or near Grey >> County, and had to kind of guess at the names of Meathford and >> Agenbough. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I now have the copy of the pages from the Family Bible. There is no mention of "Meathford", just Meaford, so apparently that was a problem with my cousin's memory. The Bible makes it clear that my Ggrandfather George William Chesterman was born "August 15, 1857 Meaford C No. America". No other births were recorded. On another page the marriage of George's parents was recorded. They were DJ Chesterman and Martha Sandys on May 21st 1854 in "the Episcopal Church city of Ogenburgh North America". My guess is that Ogenburgh was actually Ogdensburg, New York, on the St. Lawrence River, and I plan to contact the Episcopal church in Ogdensburg. The Chestermans didn't remain in Meaford very long, because they were back in England for the 1861 census. Family legend claims that DJ (David James) was a Methodist minister, and I am wondering if they may have been involved with the Underground Railroad. The Chesterman family is white, not black. If anyone in Meaford or Owen Sound can provide me with a way to verify my Underground Railroad suspicion I would be very greatful. Tom Beatson Phoenix, Arizona USA On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Tom Beatson wrote: > Thank you Kit for the suggestion. I am awaiting delivery via snail > mail of a copy of the pages from the family bible, to see if I can > find any other clues. The GGgrandparents in this bible were David > James (DJ) Chesterman and Martha Sandys. Their only child was my > Ggrandfather George William Chesterman, who for some unknown reason > changed his middle name from William to Sanford when he was about 25. > George's Ontario marriage record in Lanark County, 20 July 1882, > shows his birthplace as Meaford. I suspect that DJ and Martha started > the family bible some years after their marriage in 1854 and the > birth of George in 1857, when they no longer lived in or near Grey > County, and had to kind of guess at the names of Meathford and > Agenbough.

Hello Elaine: Thank you for your interest and info. They may be related in some way but not directly. I did observe them a couple of years ago when I was doing CAMERONS in Peel and Halton. I could not make a connection, however. I guess I will soldier on. Thanks again. Delphine

Hello Malcolm: Thanks for the communication. Actually I did NOT mention the word Meaford. Someone else did. I was talking St. Vincent TOWNSHIP. Anyway it seems all sorted out now and I will re-visit Grey. Regarding your advice about going to the 'meat'. I do, but when one is referring to other's comments it deviates somewhat . History as well as data enters the picture eventually. Thanks for your interest and time. Delphine

There are Bucks from the Loyalist family who settled near Palermo in Halton County. Elaine Georgetown Ontario Looking for McKinnons in Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <jkrug@rogers.com> To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] BUCK > These are the Bucks from the Old UEL list > > Buck, Bercia/Berecu > Buck, Jonathan (John) > Buck, George > Buck, Mechitable > Buck, Philip > Buck, George > > Is one of these a parent of your Joseph? > > JK

Hello JK: In my absence it seems I opened a hornets nest, so I missed the fun while the letters were hopping. My UE person is the George from Elizabethtown, Leeds, County. That is usually designated after his name. There is another from Kingston, however NOT mine. I believe Bercis is related but that is another matter. The Joseph I mentioned was the grandson of George UE. It was actually the father of that Joseph who applied for the grant and got it in 1837 . Initially I sent this inquiry to Simcoe County and was transferred to Grey. because of the St. Vincent Township, but just checking a short time ago I see on the official papers it is listed as SIMCOE County. Has there been a change in boundaries since that time?One of the replies mentions Meaford, but that is far west of the line between Grey and Simcoe. However I had best not bother you more at this point and again try Simcoe. Sorry about the trouble, but perhaps we all know a little more about the Loyalists. I think the term "American Loyalists "gives a different slant . People tend to think of it being loyal to America as it is now rather than as a British Colony as it really was then.We forget our history or perhaps did not 'get it' in the first place. With thanks. Delphine Large ----- Original Message ----- From: "JK" <jkrug@rogers.com> To: <can-ont-grey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-GREY] BUCK > These are the Bucks from the Old UEL list > > Buck, Bercia/Berecu > Buck, Jonathan (John) > Buck, George > Buck, Mechitable > Buck, Philip > Buck, George > > Is one of these a parent of your Joseph? > > JK > > Connie wrote: >> O.K.----son of UE, daughter of UE--what does UE stand for. Thanks. :-) >> >> JK wrote: >>> Son, daughter, military, Order-in-council >>> >>> Connie wrote: >>> >>>> Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) >>>> >>>> JK wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do >>>>> you >>>>> know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>>>> An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>>>> of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>>>> executive council. >>>>> You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals >>>>> Office, >>>>> Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>>>> land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>>>> they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free >>>>> money. >>>>> >>>>> 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>>>> extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to >>>>> 1836. >>>>> >>>>> JK >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/457 - Release Date: 9/26/2006 > >

These are the Bucks from the Old UEL list Buck, Bercia/Berecu Buck, Jonathan (John) Buck, George Buck, Mechitable Buck, Philip Buck, George Is one of these a parent of your Joseph? JK Connie wrote: > O.K.----son of UE, daughter of UE--what does UE stand for. Thanks. :-) > > JK wrote: >> Son, daughter, military, Order-in-council >> >> Connie wrote: >> >>> Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) >>> >>> JK wrote: >>> >>>> Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >>>> know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>>> An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>>> of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>>> executive council. >>>> You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >>>> Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >>>> >>>> Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>>> land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>>> they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >>>> >>>> 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>>> extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >>>> >>>> JK >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Technically speaking, no one in the now-USA was granted land as a UE. It was for loyalists FROM the US and you had to be in Canada and had to prove allegiance to the crown prior to 1783. You then had to swear allegiance in Canada and meet a number of conditions These were changed about 6 times between 1816 and 1832 JK marg mcfarlane wrote: > Hi: > > OIC - Order in Council - land was granted to those in the now-USA who > stayed loyal to Britain and they were called UEL's - United Empire > Loyalists. The SUE perhaps means Son of a United Empire Loyalist, DUE - > daughter of an Empire Loyalist. > > Type United Empire Loyalists in to your search engine, google, etc and > you will be able to read more about them. > > Marg > > Connie wrote: > >> Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) >> >> JK wrote: >> >> >>> Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >>> know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>> An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>> of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>> executive council. >>> You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >>> Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >>> >>> Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>> land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>> they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >>> >>> 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>> extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >>> >>> JK >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Marg and JK for the information. I had heard of Loyalists before, but not with the United Empire. Thanks for being so patient with me. Connie :-) marg mcfarlane wrote: > Sorry, JK, that's what I was trying to convey but you have said it so > much better! That's why I suggested a google search and reading info on > them. > > Marg > > > JK wrote: > > >> Technically speaking, no one in the now-USA was granted land as a UE. >> >> It was for loyalists FROM the US and you had to be in Canada and had to >> prove allegiance to the crown prior to 1783. You then had to swear >> allegiance in Canada and meet a number of conditions >> >> These were changed about 6 times between 1816 and 1832 >> >> JK >> >> marg mcfarlane wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> OIC - Order in Council - land was granted to those in the now-USA who >>> stayed loyal to Britain and they were called UEL's - United Empire >>> Loyalists. The SUE perhaps means Son of a United Empire Loyalist, DUE - >>> daughter of an Empire Loyalist. >>> >>> Type United Empire Loyalists in to your search engine, google, etc and >>> you will be able to read more about them. >>> >>> Marg >>> >>> Connie wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Sorry. normally those that mention UE do so for being recognized as such. Like those in the US who mention being descended from the Mayflower Compact or those in Australia who mention about being 1st fleet descendants. The British decided to reward those who moved to Canada as Loyalists after the Rev. War and passed a law stating that anyone who "joined the standard" previous to 1783 and moved to Canada would forever be able to use the initials UE (Union (or United) of the Empire). This also applied to their sons and daughters. All were able to apply for free grants of land. SUE and DUE were able to get 200 Acres each. JK Connie wrote: > O.K.----son of UE, daughter of UE--what does UE stand for. Thanks. :-) > > JK wrote: >> Son, daughter, military, Order-in-council >> >> Connie wrote: >> >>> Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) >>> >>> JK wrote: >>> >>>> Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >>>> know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >>>> An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >>>> of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >>>> executive council. >>>> You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >>>> Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >>>> >>>> Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >>>> land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >>>> they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >>>> >>>> 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >>>> extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >>>> >>>> JK >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Son, daughter, military, Order-in-council Connie wrote: > Please explain SUE, UE, DUE, ML UEL and OIC. Thanks :-) > > JK wrote: >> Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you >> know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. >> An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount >> of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the >> executive council. >> You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, >> Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. >> >> Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the >> land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because >> they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. >> >> 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been >> extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. >> >> JK >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do we assume he was SUE; because UE's weren't born in Canada, or do you know for sure he was UE from a listing somewhere. An OIC normally didn't give the lot granted. It simply said the amount of property you were granted by either the land grant board or the executive council. You would need some other instrument issued by Attorney Generals Office, Surveyor Generals Office, etc. A fiat, warrant, etc. Most of those granted land as UE, DUE, SUE, ML, etc never lived on the land. They usually sold the warrant, fiat, etc to someone else because they had no intention of moving and becoming a settler. It was free money. 1834 was very late for getting UEL land under terms. The laws had been extended a number of times and I think the final extension went to 1836. JK Delphine Large wrote: > Hello: > > Joseph J. BUCK b 1812 Leeds County, Lansdowne Township. UE, got OC for land grant in 1834. His grant was for St. Vincent Township (no County mentioned). > > He m Jane Seaman also from Leeds. had at least 2 children and migrated to Dunnsville. He is on 1851 and 61 Censuses there. Other children were born. At least two d. there. > > His wife died as result of a freak accident. He remarried and his trail has disappeared. I did find two daughters in the 1871 Toronto Census but I was not able to establish their residence.The girls were both m within 4 years. > > My question is: Did he ever live on that land? One daughter mentions spending some time on an island in Georgian Bay which suggests they lived close-by. I have followed the two daughters, one became my > G/M Does anyone have knowledge of these family members ? > I appreciate any assistance you might offer. Thank you. > Delphine Large (Cameron). > Victoria, B.C. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAN-ONT-GREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >