Hi Leanne, From Beautiful Stoney Keppel: Page 11: "The first shingle mill in North Keppel was owned by Wrigley (Harry) and Parson and was located on the west side of the creek. The first grist mill was owned and operated by John and Richard Cornish in the early 1860's. James Denoon is listed as a miller in 1871 census." Page 27: Percy Parsons - "Dogs were struck off the (assessment) roll." 1936 Page 70: Gordon Parsons is a student Jr.IV at S.S. #1 Keppel in 1925. For Henry Wrigley and his wife Annabelle Cameron, there is a listing of their children and grandchildren. Please let me know if you need this. There may be other references to the shingle mill but, as the book is not well indexed, this is the only information that is readily available. Hope this helps. Lois McNaught > Hi, > > I was wondering if any of you has information on a shingle mill in Keppel county in the 1870's. One source mentioned that a Mr. Parsons and Henry Wrigley were the first or one of the first to own it. This was apparently in the history book "Beautiful Stoney Keppel" The Grey County Archives did not have any additional information on the shingle mill. > > I would appreciate any information. Thanks! > > Leanne > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Watch out what gedcom files you run through t he ged-it program, however. Looks like it also saves the file for all to see under History, including the name of the contributor. I wonder how Richard W. Eastman would feel about the program if he saw his family pop up on one of the trees saved under History? And what is all the trouble this saves? He says that using your own program on your own computer is "slow, tedious, and even risky if you accidentally import someone else's GEDCOM file into your own genealogy database." That's nothing compared with opening the file on the web, finding it's your family and now it's saved publicly for all to see. John

Hi, I was wondering if any of you has information on a shingle mill in Keppel county in the 1870's. One source mentioned that a Mr. Parsons and Henry Wrigley were the first or one of the first to own it. This was apparently in the history book "Beautiful Stoney Keppel" The Grey County Archives did not have any additional information on the shingle mill. I would appreciate any information. Thanks! Leanne

>Hi List. (Pardon my duplications to Grey and Simcoe) >I've just received a letter from the National Archives in reply to my >online inquiry about getting a file copied on a murder case which involved >a family member back in 1883. (This file has not been microfilmed so can't >order it that way.) Trouble is this "explanatory" letter leaves me >confused! Anyone else have this problem or is it just me? > >Does anyone have experience with ordering a file (in this case Justice) >where it is unknown how many pages could need to be copied? The letter >explains that I can hire a local researcher in Ottawa...I get that part >and it sounds expensive! >But the writer goes on to say that their staff can copy "up to 250 pages >annual quarter year per person at a cost of 40 cents a page". Seeing as >this file could possibly contain "documents of correspondence, petitions, >order in-in-council, transcript of evidence, newspaper clippings and >coroner's inquest", I'm not sure if I can just ask them to copy say the >transcript of evidence (surely it would be under 250 pages back >then!)? There is also a sentence "Any additional information that you >require will need to be located by consulting the original record." Isn't >this the original record held in the archives? > >Am I just having a slow day? I can scan this letter to anyone who is >willing to read it over and give me their thoughts. There is also a list >of researchers in their area, so if anyone has had experience with a >researcher going into the National Archives to copy a file, I'd appreciate >hearing from you. > >Many thanks, >April in BC

The following utility may be of interest to some listers and best of all (be still my frugal Scottish genes), it's free! Cheerio Sue The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is available at http://www.RootsForum.com. - GED-IT There are many GEDCOM file utilities around, I am sure I have described at least two dozen such programs in this newsletter over the years. However, this week I had a chance to use a new GEDCOM utility that is quite unlike any I have used before. GEDCOM files are commonly found in genealogy work. (For an explanation of GEDCOM files, see my article "GEDCOM Explained" at http://www.rootsforum.com/archives/news0219.htm.) All modern genealogy programs are capable of copying their databases to a GEDCOM file, which can then be used to transfer data to someone else's genealogy program. GEDCOM files are frequently stored on online Web sites. The usual method of looking at someone else's GEDCOM file is to download it to your PC or Mac computer and then import it into your genealogy program or else use a third-party GEDCOM viewer to examine the file. However, that method can be slow, tedious, and even risky if you accidentally import someone else's GEDCOM file into your own genealogy database. GED-IT is a new online GEDCOM file viewer created by Julian Pedley. GED-IT lets you access and analyze any online GEDCOM file. It doesn't matter what server it is on, just as long as it is accessible via normal Web protocols, either HTTP or FTP. (HTTP is generally used to display Web pages, while FTP is "File Transfer Protocol," commonly used to transfer files between computers.) With GED-IT, there is no need to download a file to your computer. You simply go to GED-IT's Web site and tell it to display the information on another Web site. GED-IT will transfer the file to its own Web site at very high speed, then display all the information in your Web browser. You can look at pedigree charts or descendant charts or examine details on a family-by-family basis. Multi-megabyte GEDCOM files can be displayed within 2 or 3 seconds. This is all done online; there is no need to install any software on your computer. Macintosh and Linux users will especially appreciate GED-IT as there are not many genealogy utilities available for those operating systems. GED-IT should work also with handheld Windows CE computers although reading the data on a small screen may be a challenge. Nonetheless, the fact that large files do not need to be downloaded and stored makes this a natural fit for handheld systems with limited storage capabilities. I searched on the Web for some GEDCOM files, found several, noted their URLs (Web addresses) and then went to GED-IT's Web site. I entered the first URL into GED-IT. A couple of seconds later I was presented with six options: a.. Select Pedigree chart for any individual in the file b.. Select Descendant chart for any individual in the file c.. View list of Surnames d.. View list of Names e.. Look at Statistics (which is not yet implemented) f.. Start again The use of each option was super simple: move the mouse and click. The pedigree charts are impressive. However, I soon learned to first click on "View List of Surnames" to find the names of interest. That quickly narrowed the search. I then could click on any name to view family charts of that person. If interested, I could then easily view a pedigree chart of the person as well. The only drawback I can find is that the files must be stored on a server in true GEDCOM format; GED-IT cannot look inside files compressed in ZIP format. GED-IT is a winner. Use of this online utility is faster and easier than downloading GEDCOM files one by one. It is also user-friendly; there is no need for a user's manual. Best of all, it is free. The genealogy community owes a big "Thank you" to Julian Pedley for making GED-IT available to everyone. To use GED-IT yourself, go to: http://ged-it.pedleyonline.com

Dave and Korleen, Thanks for the info. Lon

Hi Lon.... Actually there are many many books relating to the history of Grey County and the parts within. Each township at one time or another has produced at least 1 (Some have 2 and varied editions) history book relating to the settlement and the original settlers. I have over the years been able to purchase a history book of every single township within Grey (I have been willing to help several people over the last while to do lookups, as long as it is specific). Some of these books were harder to find than others depending on the number of books printed or when it was published. Most of the towns also had history books published (i.e. Markdale, Durham, Priceville, etc.) I have many of these as well. If you have something specific you want looked up perhaps I can help you. The County itself has resources specifically dealing with Grey itself. The History of Grey County and the reprint called a New History of Grey County are good research books as well. I am sure there are several other books out there that others may be able to bring to your attention. Some can be purchased through the Grey County Archives Book Store as well as the Grey County Museum Bookstore. Here is a breif listing of my library if you need a lookup done: History books for the townships: Artemesia, Bentinck, Collingwood, Derby, Egremont, Euphrasia, Glenelg, Holland, Keppel, Normanby, Osprey, Proton, Sullivan, Sydenham, St. Vincent Also For the towns of Markdale, Dundalk and Priceville. Also "Pioneers in the Queens Bush", "A History of Grey County", "A New History of Grey County", "Markdale & Flesherton; a written heritage", "Emminent Women of Grey County", "1880 Historical Atlas for Grey and Bruce Counties", I have others but these are the main Grey County ones. A good place to look for used history books I have found is a book store called Alexander Gallery. They are based in Toronto, however they will send a catalogue describing the used history books for sell and then they can be purchased through the mail. I have done it several times, since I rarely see the big city, and it works great. Their e-mail adress is [email protected] I hope this was of some help. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Lon Bowerman <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: [Grey Co.] Books > Anybody know of any historical books related to the subject of this list, Grey? I'm also interested in Parry Sound. > > Lon > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Anybody know of any historical books related to the subject of this list, Grey? I'm also interested in Parry Sound. Lon

Another book that refers specifically to the opening up and settlement of Western Canada, namely Manitoba, Sask and Alberta is Pierre Burton's "The Promised Land" which I found very interesting Ted

Hi list Like many of you, I read extensively trying to understand history that would have influenced or impacted our ancestors and relatives. Perhaps if we shared briefly some of the books we read, we could help one another find new understanding. To that end, here is a book I just finished: Douglas Owram; PROMISE OF EDEN: The Canadian Expansionist Movement and the Idea of the West, 1856-1900; ; University of Toronto Press, 1980; ISBN 0-8020-5483-8 bd or ISBN 0-8020-6385-3 pb This is not an easy read. It is a well written factual book with extensive quotes and a good index. Even if you only skim through it, you cannot walk away from the book and not gain at the very least a small idea of how and why people went to the Canadian West and what they found when they settled there. For example, in some instances the promoters of expansionism used settlers to gain control over the land; some promoters were motivated by greed and the misled settlers suffered intense hardship and starvation. Quoted from the intro: "This is a study of the changing ideas about the Canadian Northwest during the latter half of the nineteenth century. From being a 'far and distant corner of the Empire' it became in the minds of promoters of Confederation a frontier of great importance to the new nation. These 'expansionists' led the way in reshaping the image of a region which up to 1856 had been dismissed as an inhospitable wilderness suited only for the fur trade. Encouraged by the findings of a new generation of explorers, numbers of Canadians began to regard the West as a land of ideal opportunity for large-scale agricultural settlement. This belief, in turn, led Canada to insist on ownership of the region and on immediate development. Underlying the expansionist movement was the assumption that the West was to be a hinterland to central Canada, both in its economic relationship and in its cultural development. But settlers who accepted the extravagant promises of expansionism found it increasingly difficult to reconcile the assumption of eastern dominance with their own perceptions of the needs of the West and of Canada...." I recommend this book but I repeat that it is not an easy read. Be prepared to spend some time digesting it. Sue Visser

Thank you Sue. That paragraph has a lot to say....and some would say very relevant today. I think your idea of sharing book information is a good one. April in BC At 05:05 PM 2/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi list > >Like many of you, I read extensively trying to understand history that >would have influenced or impacted our ancestors and relatives. Perhaps if >we shared briefly some of the books we read, we could help one another >find new understanding. To that end, here is a book I just finished: > >Douglas Owram; PROMISE OF EDEN: The Canadian Expansionist Movement and >the Idea of the West, 1856-1900; ; University of Toronto Press, 1980; ISBN >0-8020-5483-8 bd or ISBN 0-8020-6385-3 pb > >This is not an easy read. It is a well written factual book with >extensive quotes and a good index. Even if you only skim through it, you >cannot walk away from the book and not gain at the very least a small idea >of how and why people went to the Canadian West and what they found when >they settled there. For example, in some instances the promoters of >expansionism used settlers to gain control over the land; some promoters >were motivated by greed and the misled settlers suffered intense hardship >and starvation. > >Quoted from the intro: "This is a study of the changing ideas about the >Canadian Northwest during the latter half of the nineteenth century. From >being a 'far and distant corner of the Empire' it became in the minds of >promoters of Confederation a frontier of great importance to the new >nation. These 'expansionists' led the way in reshaping the image of a >region which up to 1856 had been dismissed as an inhospitable wilderness >suited only for the fur trade. Encouraged by the findings of a new >generation of explorers, numbers of Canadians began to regard the West as >a land of ideal opportunity for large-scale agricultural settlement. This >belief, in turn, led Canada to insist on ownership of the region and on >immediate development. >Underlying the expansionist movement was the assumption that the West was >to be a hinterland to central Canada, both in its economic relationship >and in its cultural development. But settlers who accepted the >extravagant promises of expansionism found it increasingly difficult to >reconcile the assumption of eastern dominance with their own perceptions >of the needs of the West and of Canada...." > >I recommend this book but I repeat that it is not an easy read. Be >prepared to spend some time digesting it. >Sue Visser > > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sorry All Kim has not been able to receive her messages from the list, we're just trying to resolve her problems..Sorry for the inconvenience. later -- Ida IAK Alberta Canada [email protected] Viruses can kill systems DON'T open attachments All outgoing mail is scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2003

Hi Kim I know of 2 Preil/Freel Families in the Glenelg area. John Preil from Ireland 1805- aft 1871, his wife Bridget ? 1807-aft 1881. John & Bridget appear together in the 1861, 1871 Glenelg census, then Bridget along with son John b Oct 13 1864, appear in the 1881 census. 1901 census John the son appears alone on Con 15 Lot 7 these Preils were listed as RC.. My Freels, William & Agnes Ross along with daughter Jennie b Nov 6 1861 appear to be from Scotland. Jennie Freel married Angus Cameron Dec 9 1886 in Durham, Glenelg/Bentinck twp Jennie & Angus both appear as Baptists on their marriage record. Angus Cameron was the s/o Alexander Cameron and Ann McLean. Angus and Jennie(Elizabeth) had the following children: Annie: 1887, Agnes: 1889 (she is reported to have married a Mr. North) William F: 1891, Allister: 1893 and Harold: aft 1901 any connections? later Ida Kimberly Muldoon-Staley wrote: > > I am seeking any information on Ann PRIEL, who married Edward MULDOON in > Ireland, and they came to Holland Township around 1852. I believe some of > her kin came as well, because I have found many people with the surname > PRIEL in Grey County, although I havent been able to connect them to my > family. The name has also been spelled, PRIEL, PREIL, PRILE, PRYAL, PRYLE, > PRIAL > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, > > Kim >

I am seeking any information on Ann PRIEL, who married Edward MULDOON in Ireland, and they came to Holland Township around 1852. I believe some of her kin came as well, because I have found many people with the surname PRIEL in Grey County, although I havent been able to connect them to my family. The name has also been spelled, PRIEL, PREIL, PRILE, PRYAL, PRYLE, PRIAL Any info would be greatly appreciated, Kim _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi All I was wondering if someone may be able to lookup a couple of obits in the Wiarton Echo. I am looking for Amanda Reitzel Beirnes died December 20, 1934, and George Albert Beirnes died January 24, 1935. I am most interested in an obit for Amanda, as I have already looked at the Owen Sound Sun Times. I found an obituary for George, but for Amanda there was just a two liner. I am wondering if maybe the Wiarton Echo might have more. I have already tried to order the microfilm for the Wiarton paper through interlibrary loan, but can't find these dates available through interlibrary loan. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Cindy

Hi All There are "some parts" of the 1901 Grey County census that have been indexed but it hasn't been completed yet, hopefully one day it will be. You can view these at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ongrey/1901census.htm The web master Gerald Dunnill has this set up very nicely, you can search by surname or location. Remember though, that it is only a index, you will then have to view your pages at http://www.archives.ca/02/02012202_e.html Good luck Brenda

Thanks, Elaine, for letting us know. Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Robinson" <[email protected]> To: "Eileen Wilson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Glenelg > Good morning > Bruce-Grey Branch OGS have transcribed all of the 1901 census for both > counties. It's at the North York library and Owen Sound and likely many > others. Check out the Bruce Grey website at www.bmts.com/~bgogs They > likely do lookups. > Elaine Robinson > Georgetown Ontario > > Looking for all Ontario and Mull MCKINNONS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eileen Wilson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Glenelg > > > > As far as I am aware, there is no index to the 1901 Census. It is, > however, > > browseable by geographic location at: > > > > http://www.archives.ca/02/020122_e.html > > > > Eileen Wilson > > Markham, Ontario > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "samshous" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:45 AM > > Subject: [Grey Co.] Glenelg > > > > > > > If someone has the 1901 index for Glenelg would they please lookup a > birth > > date for me for Annie Josephine Jane Saunders. and her family. Thank you > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Good morning Bruce-Grey Branch OGS have transcribed all of the 1901 census for both counties. It's at the North York library and Owen Sound and likely many others. Check out the Bruce Grey website at www.bmts.com/~bgogs They likely do lookups. Elaine Robinson Georgetown Ontario Looking for all Ontario and Mull MCKINNONS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Glenelg > As far as I am aware, there is no index to the 1901 Census. It is, however, > browseable by geographic location at: > > http://www.archives.ca/02/020122_e.html > > Eileen Wilson > Markham, Ontario > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samshous" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:45 AM > Subject: [Grey Co.] Glenelg > > > > If someone has the 1901 index for Glenelg would they please lookup a birth > date for me for Annie Josephine Jane Saunders. and her family. Thank you > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi There's an Anna Saunders h/h Gov.Sy 2 W of Elgin St. Durham town, b Oct 6 1858 Ont. ch: May Jun 30 1881, Jessie Sep 30 1886, Bertie (Male) Jul 31 1890, Robert Nov 21 1892, Mack Aug 24 1894.. It's the only Anna I found. I hope it helps Ida samshous wrote: > > If someone has the 1901 index for Glenelg would they please lookup a birth date for me for Annie Josephine Jane Saunders. and her family. Thank you

As far as I am aware, there is no index to the 1901 Census. It is, however, browseable by geographic location at: http://www.archives.ca/02/020122_e.html Eileen Wilson Markham, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "samshous" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Glenelg > If someone has the 1901 index for Glenelg would they please lookup a birth date for me for Annie Josephine Jane Saunders. and her family. Thank you > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >